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That_Happened
09/15/17 11:12:08 AM
#154:


Santorin posted...
And even blamed the school system for not taking steps to acknowledge the parents were allowing him to opt out of the participation.

*faceslap*

The school system does not need to confirm anything with the parents. Again,Supreme Court ruling.
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Santorin
09/15/17 11:15:38 AM
#155:


That_Happened posted...
Santorin posted...
And even blamed the school system for not taking steps to acknowledge the parents were allowing him to opt out of the participation.

*faceslap*

The school system does not need to confirm anything with the parents. Again,Supreme Court ruling.


Agreed.

But they should still reach-out to the parent and explain if you see "odd" behavior. If you have 99% participation and 1 kid not it's usually a good idea to find out if the parent is aware of the situation.

Nothing wrong with this.

Also I highly doubt the teach YANKED the kid up.

This is a publicity stunt planted by the parents end of story. Now they will make a lot of noise and sue and cash checks because "Murica"
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ThePieReborn
09/15/17 11:17:01 AM
#156:


Well, if the teacher either was not instructed on public policy or just didn't give a shit, that's not on the parents. These rules are easily accessible and I would imagine well known by administrators.
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That_Happened
09/15/17 11:17:05 AM
#157:


Santorin posted...
Also I highly doubt the teach YANKED the kid up.
This is a publicity stunt planted by the parents end of story.


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A_Good_Boy
09/15/17 11:17:38 AM
#158:


Santorin posted...
That_Happened posted...
Santorin posted...
And even blamed the school system for not taking steps to acknowledge the parents were allowing him to opt out of the participation.

*faceslap*

The school system does not need to confirm anything with the parents. Again,Supreme Court ruling.


Agreed.

But they should still reach-out to the parent and explain if you see "odd" behavior. If you have 99% participation and 1 kid not it's usually a good idea to find out if the parent is aware of the situation.

Nothing wrong with this.

Also I highly doubt the teach YANKED the kid up.

This is a publicity stunt planted by the parents end of story. Now they will make a lot of noise and sue and cash checks because "Murica"

There's nothing to inform the parents about. Kids are free to sit and it's not out of the ordinary for them to do so.
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Kyurem-BW
09/15/17 11:17:57 AM
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That_Happened posted...
2. to address with expressions of goodwill, respect, etc.
3. to make a bow or other gesture to, as in greeting, farewell, or respect.
4. to express respect or praise for; honor; commend.

*uses CTRL-F to find standing*

yet to find it.

maybe you can find a reputable dictionary that says standing is saluting and post the link
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Santorin
09/15/17 11:17:59 AM
#160:


That_Happened posted...
Santorin posted...
Also I highly doubt the teach YANKED the kid up.
This is a publicity stunt planted by the parents end of story.


*rolls eyes* You're done. Thanks for the chat.


Again you offer no rebuttal just shit posting.
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Lonestar2000
09/15/17 11:18:14 AM
#161:


That_Happened posted...
Santorin posted...
I've made plenty of posts with actual content and thought. Just look at my activity.

Santorin posted...
(to Asherlee) You're hawt when you get feisty I like it. Makes me wish I was a girl or you liked guys. *blows kiss*

*cringe*

Why did you suggest we look at your activity???

LMAO
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Santorin
09/15/17 11:19:08 AM
#162:


A_Good_Boy posted...
There's nothing to inform the parents about. Kids are free to sit and it's not out of the ordinary for them to do so.


You must not have kids because they inform you about pretty much everything. Something like this is a large enough event to make the parent aware of.
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Santorin
09/15/17 11:20:40 AM
#163:


Lonestar2000 posted...
That_Happened posted...
Santorin posted...
I've made plenty of posts with actual content and thought. Just look at my activity.

Santorin posted...
(to Asherlee) You're hawt when you get feisty I like it. Makes me wish I was a girl or you liked guys. *blows kiss*

*cringe*

Why did you suggest we look at your activity???

LMAO


Asher is great to debate with, she actually uses her brain unlike most shit posters around here. A good intellectual debate with a female is a turn on even if she doesn't like men.
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That_Happened
09/15/17 11:20:58 AM
#164:


Santorin posted...
Again you offer no rebuttal just shit posting.

Again, I made this same post before:
That_Happened posted...
His entire stance is speculation. Am I supposed to debate whether this kid that none of us know is a contrarian tryhard moron who is just trying to be edgy, or a freedom-fighting hero sjw, despite having zero facts on any of it? I'd rather stick to the facts.

When you disengage from logical, adult discussion about the facts of the article, and start making up shit (e.g. "This whole thing is just a publicity stunt put on by the parents to get paid") that's when the conversation breaks down and there is nothing to make a rebuttal to. If you want to be taken seriously, make mature, adult posts. If you want to be laughed at for being a shitposter, then pull assumptions about the kid and the parents out of your ass. It's your choice.
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A_Good_Boy
09/15/17 11:21:38 AM
#165:


Santorin posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
There's nothing to inform the parents about. Kids are free to sit and it's not out of the ordinary for them to do so.


You must not have kids because they inform you about pretty much everything. Something like this is a large enough event to make the parent aware of.

I do, and they don't. Quit shitposting breh.
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JcOpIVY86
09/15/17 11:25:22 AM
#166:


Yea this kid came up with this his own.
In no way was he influenced by his family to not stand for the flag.
Nope, it was all him.....
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ThePieReborn
09/15/17 11:28:53 AM
#167:


Why does that change anything?
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That_Happened
09/15/17 11:29:35 AM
#168:


JcOpIVY86 posted...
Yea this kid came up with this his own.
In no way was he influenced by his family to not stand for the flag.
Nope, it was all him.....

Most of us are 20-30 years old. We're not exactly free thinkers either. We get all of our ideas from outside sources, and most of them come from our parents.
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Santorin
09/15/17 11:29:48 AM
#169:


A_Good_Boy posted...
I do, and they don't.


Don't what?
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A_Good_Boy
09/15/17 11:39:11 AM
#170:


JcOpIVY86 posted...
Yea this kid came up with this his own.
In no way was he influenced by his family to not stand for the flag.
Nope, it was all him.....

I don't see how that even matters here.
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Twin3Turbo
09/15/17 11:44:56 AM
#171:


Santorin posted...
But they should still reach-out to the parent and explain if you see "odd" behavior. If you have 99% participation and 1 kid not it's usually a good idea to find out if the parent is aware of the situation.

LOL. Sitting during the pledge of allegiance is not something worth going through the trouble of contacting the parents. Like at all.

JcOpIVY86 posted...
Yea this kid came up with this his own.
In no way was he influenced by his family to not stand for the flag.
Nope, it was all him.....

I'm not sure why ya'll think sitting for the pledge is something that a kid couldn't come to on his own. I saw it plenty when I was in middle/high school and even stopped saying the pledge myself. Literally never had a conversation about it or anything from my parents. I stopped because I didn't feel like it represented me.
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coolboy11
09/15/17 12:10:20 PM
#172:


The Pledge of Allegiance in school is weird as all hell looking back on it, perfect example of pointless nationalism.
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Santorin
09/15/17 12:11:32 PM
#173:


Twin3Turbo posted...
LOL. Sitting during the pledge of allegiance is not something worth going through the trouble of contacting the parents. Like at all.


If my child refused to participate I would want the teacher to communicate this to me.

Being engaged is kind of part of being a parent if you didn't know.
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That_Happened
09/15/17 12:13:05 PM
#174:


Santorin posted...
If my child refused to participate I would want the teacher to communicate this to me.

Being engaged is kind of part of being a parent if you didn't know.

We call these "helicopter parents."
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Lonestar2000
09/15/17 12:13:43 PM
#175:


Santorin posted...
Twin3Turbo posted...
LOL. Sitting during the pledge of allegiance is not something worth going through the trouble of contacting the parents. Like at all.


If my child refused to participate I would want the teacher to communicate this to me.

Being engaged is kind of part of being a parent if you didn't know.

The hell? Why the fuck would you give a shit whether your child says the pledge or not?
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Twinmold
09/15/17 12:15:23 PM
#176:


Asher is great to debate with, she actually uses her brain unlike most shit posters around here. A good intellectual debate with a female is a turn on even if she doesn't like men.

Alt-righter who thinks if he just hits on every woman on the internet, one of them will eventually want something to do with him. Par for the course.
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Zodd3224
09/15/17 12:18:10 PM
#177:


Lonestar2000 posted...
Santorin posted...
Twin3Turbo posted...
LOL. Sitting during the pledge of allegiance is not something worth going through the trouble of contacting the parents. Like at all.


If my child refused to participate I would want the teacher to communicate this to me.

Being engaged is kind of part of being a parent if you didn't know.

The hell? Why the fuck would you give a shit whether your child says the pledge or not?


Conservatives are very pick and choose what is offensive as hell and what is "just a word."
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Santorin
09/15/17 12:18:16 PM
#178:


Lonestar2000 posted...
Santorin posted...
Twin3Turbo posted...
LOL. Sitting during the pledge of allegiance is not something worth going through the trouble of contacting the parents. Like at all.


If my child refused to participate I would want the teacher to communicate this to me.

Being engaged is kind of part of being a parent if you didn't know.

The hell? Why the fuck would you give a shit whether your child says the pledge or not?


Because I care about my child's thoughts and feelings and like to discuss them to help them rationalize and grow.

It's called having a relationship and good parenting.

Literally acting like being involved with your child and their decision making thought processes is a bad thing wtf is wrong with you people.
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Twin3Turbo
09/15/17 12:18:51 PM
#179:


Santorin posted...
Twin3Turbo posted...
LOL. Sitting during the pledge of allegiance is not something worth going through the trouble of contacting the parents. Like at all.


If my child refused to participate I would want the teacher to communicate this to me.

Being engaged is kind of part of being a parent if you didn't know.

I'm far more worried about them being engaged with their actual school work and being able to get along with their classmates than whether or not they engage in the pledge of allegiance. If a teacher called me about that, I would be angry at them for wasting my time.
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Santorin
09/15/17 12:21:28 PM
#180:


Twin3Turbo posted...
I would be angry at them for wasting my time


I'm sorry you would consider that a waste of your time.

I would not because if the child didn't want to participate I would be interested in why. Depending on the age this could mean a lot of different things. This kind of behavior is well worth understanding as it presumably impacts a lot more of the child's beliefs and behaviors than the actual act itself.
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Funkydog
09/15/17 12:24:32 PM
#181:


And people wonder why non american westerners think America is so odd at times.
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That_Happened
09/15/17 12:26:10 PM
#182:


Santorin posted...
I'm sorry you would consider that a waste of your time.

I would not because if the child didn't want to participate I would be interested in why.


This would probably come up when you took the child to a baseball game or any other kind of official event, and the national anthem was sung or played. It's not the kind of urgent issue that teachers need to call home about.
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A_Good_Boy
09/15/17 12:28:06 PM
#183:


Santorin posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
I do, and they don't.


Don't what?

I do have kids. Teachers don't call when they choose not to sit. It's a waste of time for both faculty and parents to care about whether or not a kid is standing and it's laughable that you even assume anyone but some crazy people in Michigan do.
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Funkydog
09/15/17 12:28:55 PM
#184:


That_Happened posted...
Santorin posted...
I'm sorry you would consider that a waste of your time.

I would not because if the child didn't want to participate I would be interested in why.


This would probably come up when you took the child to a baseball game or any other kind of official event, and the national anthem was sung or played. It's not the kind of urgent issue that teachers need to call home about.

Even then, I have no idea why it would matter if someone didn't stand for it. It happens all the time in other countries and no one bats an eye (well, save for events like if you attend a religious ceremony or funeral type event)
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TheVipaGTS
09/15/17 12:30:30 PM
#185:


This obsession with fake patriotism is getting annoying...Also, not saluting a flag, no matter the symbolism, doesn't mean the person hates America you fuckin imbeciles....
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Santorin
09/15/17 12:33:20 PM
#186:


That_Happened posted...
It's not the kind of urgent issue that teachers need to call home about.


I never said it was urgent.

I just said I would like to know. Also I don't know what kind of school system you are in but the system I'm in you get personal reports on your child daily. It doesn't take a lot of effort we have the technology. Phone call lulz you crack me up
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A_Good_Boy
09/15/17 12:37:43 PM
#187:


Santorin posted...
That_Happened posted...
It's not the kind of urgent issue that teachers need to call home about.


I never said it was urgent.

I just said I would like to know. Also I don't know what kind of school system you are in but the system I'm in you get personal reports on your child daily. It doesn't take a lot of effort we have the technology. Phone call lulz you crack me up

What's being reported daily?
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Twin3Turbo
09/15/17 12:40:53 PM
#188:


Santorin posted...
Twin3Turbo posted...
I would be angry at them for wasting my time


I'm sorry you would consider that a waste of your time.

I would not because if the child didn't want to participate I would be interested in why. Depending on the age this could mean a lot of different things. This kind of behavior is well worth understanding as it presumably impacts a lot more of the child's beliefs and behaviors than the actual act itself.

If there were any behavior in particular to be worried about, it would more than likely manifest itself in a lot more harmful ways that sitting for the pledge. This is a non-issue
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Santorin
09/15/17 12:47:11 PM
#189:


Twin3Turbo posted...
This is a non-issue


I'm glad you feel like you can speak for everyone.

A child behavior and decision to opt out of participating with the rest of the class on a daily routine is something I would like to know about regardless of how insignificant it may seem I would like to understand the underlying reason by communicating with my child about concerning the issue.

Let's just agree to have different parenting strategies.

Good luck.
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TheVipaGTS
09/15/17 12:50:50 PM
#190:


"Something id like to know about"...

It's about as insignificant as "his group of friends played on the swing. He played on the slide with another kid instead"...here isn't some deep underlying psychological issue at play here. Stop trying to make it a big issue.
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Santorin
09/15/17 12:52:23 PM
#191:


TheVipaGTS posted...
"Something id like to know about"...

It's about as insignificant as "his group of friends played on the swing. He played on the slide with another kid instead"...here isn't some deep underlying psychological issue at play here. Stop trying to make it a big issue.


I didn't say it was a big issue.

I said I would want to communicate with my child and inquire with them on thy they felt compelled to make that decision.
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bevan306
09/15/17 12:55:26 PM
#192:


as a non american the whole idea is creepy. You sound like north koreans
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C_Pain
09/15/17 12:55:58 PM
#193:


Where is the military even mentioned in the pledge?

and lmao at worshipping them!!! xDDD!!!
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That_Happened
09/15/17 1:27:03 PM
#194:


Santorin posted...
That_Happened posted...
It's not the kind of urgent issue that teachers need to call home about.


I never said it was urgent.

I just said I would like to know. Also I don't know what kind of school system you are in but the system I'm in you get personal reports on your child daily.

Holy shit. Helicopter parent.
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MrDrMan
09/15/17 1:27:50 PM
#195:


People need to shut the fuck up about this flag/anthem bullshit.

People are not dying for a flag. They die for the country. The flag is just a fucking flag. Stop getting butthurt over shit that is just an object.

Fuck the flag and national anthem. I stand because I don't wanna deal with the idiots I'd have to otherwise. It is fucking irrelevant ass bullshit.

It amazes me people get so butthurt over a flag and song. Grow up. You can be passionate about it but leave other people alone. I love the USA but the flag and anthem mean nothing to me. The people that wrote the anthem didn't give a fuck about people like me.
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Twin3Turbo
09/15/17 1:29:34 PM
#196:


MrDrMan posted...
You can be passionate about it but leave other people alone. I love the USA but the flag and anthem mean nothing to me. The people that wrote the anthem didn't give a fuck about people like me.

This is the part that annoys me the most. People are like "It means X,Y, and Z to ME therefore YOU have to stand"

Yeah, no.
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SageHarpuia
09/15/17 1:31:00 PM
#197:


The Admiral posted...
MikeArmstrong posted...
xBloodBrotherx posted...
Dude just stand and do the dumb ass pledge of allegiance each morning, nobody actually takes it seriously anyways. Stop trying be be edgy like "I don't pledge to a flag!" nobody gives a shit. Except the teacher apparently....

If he doesn't want to do it, he shouldn't be forced to. It's literally that simple.


Everything about school is forcing kids to do things they don't want to do, so that's not really an answer.

With that said, the superintendent does say kids have a choice in whether to participate or not, so the teacher is out of line here.

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Twinmold
09/15/17 1:31:53 PM
#198:


That_Happened posted...
Santorin posted...
That_Happened posted...
It's not the kind of urgent issue that teachers need to call home about.


I never said it was urgent.

I just said I would like to know. Also I don't know what kind of school system you are in but the system I'm in you get personal reports on your child daily.

Holy shit. Helicopter parent.

More like wants to make sure his child never has a thought that doesn't align with his own idealogy.
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TheVipaGTS
09/15/17 1:32:57 PM
#199:


Exactly..."oh you don't like our flag and country!? THEN GET OUT"....no...I just don't think forcing people to stand for a trivial thing like the anthem is indicative of how much they love the country or respect the country...you can also respect the country you live in, be proud you live here, while pointing out criticisms and bringing attention to things you don't view as perfect within that country....that's a GOOD thing.

...The irony is that people who rant on and on about "HOME OF THE FREEEEEE" are the ones trying to take away minor aspects of that freedom by forcing others to stand...and then they want to act like they REALLY stand for what America is about....its incredibly stupid...
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Santorin
09/15/17 1:35:02 PM
#200:


Twinmold posted...
More like wants to make sure his child never has a thought that doesn't align with his own idealogy.


That's some major projection.

Never once said I would agree or disagree. Lot's of insecurity here today with some of you guys.

If a child felt strongly enough about not wanting to participate in this it's a worth while conversation to have with them.

Sounds to me like you guys don't have and children of your own or if you do it sounds like you don't have open communication and discussions with them.
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MrDrMan
09/15/17 1:35:31 PM
#201:


If this kid was alive when the national anthem was written he'd be a slave. We know this yet expect him to respect the song. The word slave is literally used in the song.

People need to relax. Love the anthem all you want but people have valid reasons for not standing.
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Santorin
09/15/17 1:35:48 PM
#202:


TheVipaGTS posted...
"oh you don't like our flag and country!? THEN GET OUT"


200 posts in and I don't think a single user has posted this unless I missed it.
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Santorin
09/15/17 1:36:59 PM
#203:


MrDrMan posted...
national anthem


I thought we were discussing the pledge of elegance?
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