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BlueBoy675
09/07/17 2:44:39 PM
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Obama should never have taken sides in the Trayvon incident and it shouldn't have been blown up the way it was.
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That_Happened
09/07/17 2:49:05 PM
#53:


BlueBoy675 posted...
Obama should never have taken sides in the Trayvon incident and it shouldn't have been blown up the way it was.


Saying that he "took sides" is blowing it out of proportion. That speech was a way to acknowledge the anger of african americans while at the same time calling for calm and reason among them.
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darkjedilink
09/07/17 5:40:14 PM
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CrimsonRage posted...
Maybe Obama should have said there was violence on both sides. :p

If Zimmerman had violated any law whatsoever, like Antifa did at Charlottesville by not having an assembly permit, this might have slid.
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darkjedilink
09/07/17 5:43:11 PM
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Sir Will posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Supporting Martin, only for it to turn out that Martin instigated the violence.

He was being stalked by a strange armed man.

Stalked so well that Martin lost him and went home, over a block away from Zimmerman.

Following =/= stalking.
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apocalyptic_4
09/07/17 8:23:31 PM
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CrimsonRage posted...
I still don't see what was so wrong with him saying that tbh

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KStateKing17
09/07/17 8:38:39 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
CrimsonRage posted...
Maybe Obama should have said there was violence on both sides. :p

If Zimmerman had violated any law whatsoever, like Antifa did at Charlottesville by not having an assembly permit, this might have slid.

They have to have a permit to assemble? I thought the constitution said that it was our right?
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Zikten
09/07/17 8:42:28 PM
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and that will be quoted for generations.

it really won't

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Polycosm
09/07/17 8:45:35 PM
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Zikten
09/07/17 8:47:10 PM
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GOATTHlEF posted...
I have you tagged as white supremacist, so I doubt you liked Obama.

people mistag all the time. your not perfect and you misjudge people. you probably have me tagged as white supremacist too. I'm sure half of CE does.
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prince_leo
09/07/17 9:02:12 PM
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Sir Will
09/07/17 9:11:19 PM
#64:


Zikten posted...
yes it will

No.

KStateKing17 posted...
darkjedilink posted...
CrimsonRage posted...
Maybe Obama should have said there was violence on both sides. :p

If Zimmerman had violated any law whatsoever, like Antifa did at Charlottesville by not having an assembly permit, this might have slid.

They have to have a permit to assemble? I thought the constitution said that it was our right?

Their assembly way fine.
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darkjedilink
09/07/17 9:23:43 PM
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KStateKing17 posted...
darkjedilink posted...
CrimsonRage posted...
Maybe Obama should have said there was violence on both sides. :p

If Zimmerman had violated any law whatsoever, like Antifa did at Charlottesville by not having an assembly permit, this might have slid.

They have to have a permit to assemble? I thought the constitution said that it was our right?

In Charlottesville, you need a permit to have a mass assembly like that. The Nazis got it, and legally fought all the way to the state Supreme Court to make sure it was allowed.

Antifa did not have one. Ergo, it wasn't a legal protest, meaning that Antifa was literally there in violation of the law.
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TommyG663513
09/07/17 9:26:36 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
KStateKing17 posted...
darkjedilink posted...
CrimsonRage posted...
Maybe Obama should have said there was violence on both sides. :p

If Zimmerman had violated any law whatsoever, like Antifa did at Charlottesville by not having an assembly permit, this might have slid.

They have to have a permit to assemble? I thought the constitution said that it was our right?

In Charlottesville, you need a permit to have a mass assembly like that. The Nazis got it, and legally fought all the way to the state Supreme Court to make sure it was allowed.

Antifa did not have one. Ergo, it wasn't a legal protest, meaning that Antifa was literally there in violation of the law.


So you think the Nazis were the victims there?
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Chronofan8
09/07/17 9:27:52 PM
#67:


Haha yeah black people have to think about how they're not safe how cringe-worthy
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Sir Will
09/07/17 9:28:10 PM
#68:


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/aug/17/donald-trump/donald-trump-wrong-charlottesville-counter-protest/
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darkjedilink
09/07/17 9:53:36 PM
#69:


TommyG663513 posted...
So you think the Nazis were the victims there?

In the sense that Antifa were there illegally, purely to harass people who - until they showed up - were doing nothing but exercising their right to free speech, yeah.

Did that give any of the Nazis the right to assault Antifa members? By itself, no - unless an Antifa member punched a Nazi first (and, let's be completely fair here - we all are reasonably sure that Antifa threw the first punch), the Nazis had no right to be physically violent. They sure as shit had no right to get in a car and run people over, and I hope that dude gets thrown in prison. However, without a permit, Antifa had no right to be there, and are therefore somewhat culpable for what happened.
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Sir Will
09/07/17 9:55:44 PM
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Sir Will posted...
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/aug/17/donald-trump/donald-trump-wrong-charlottesville-counter-protest/

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darkjedilink
09/07/17 9:58:52 PM
#71:


Sir Will posted...
Sir Will posted...
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/aug/17/donald-trump/donald-trump-wrong-charlottesville-counter-protest/

Did you read that? Their permit was for two totally different locations than where they fought with the Nazis.

Ergo, they literally did not have permission to be where they were.
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sylverlolol
09/07/17 10:06:15 PM
#72:


CableZL posted...
Can we at least quote him accurately?

If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon,” Obama said. “When I think about this boy, I think about my own kids.”

and

ElatedVenusaur posted...
CrimsonRage posted...
I still don't see what was so wrong with him saying that tbh

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TommyG663513
09/07/17 11:00:02 PM
#73:


darkjedilink posted...
TommyG663513 posted...
So you think the Nazis were the victims there?

In the sense that Antifa were there illegally, purely to harass people who - until they showed up - were doing nothing but exercising their right to free speech, yeah.

Did that give any of the Nazis the right to assault Antifa members? By itself, no - unless an Antifa member punched a Nazi first (and, let's be completely fair here - we all are reasonably sure that Antifa threw the first punch), the Nazis had no right to be physically violent. They sure as shit had no right to get in a car and run people over, and I hope that dude gets thrown in prison. However, without a permit, Antifa had no right to be there, and are therefore somewhat culpable for what happened.


Um what a totally fair and unbiased viewpoint LOL
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Sir Will
09/07/17 11:04:30 PM
#74:


I wonder what it's like to be so lacking in human emotions as to defend Nazis.
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Annihilated
09/07/17 11:06:38 PM
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Sir Will posted...
I wonder what it's like to be so lacking in human emotions as to defend Nazis.


I wonder what it's like to be so lacking in human emotions as to defend unprovoked violence and supression of basic human rights.
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Zikten
09/07/17 11:17:29 PM
#76:


Sir Will posted...
I wonder what it's like to be so lacking in human emotions as to defend Nazis.

I wonder what it's like to be so lacking in common sense as to mistake defending free speech for condoning said speech

this is why that one free speech group always got accused of being racist. they always defended the rights of groups like the KKK and people went insane over that. Because some people can't understand that you can be for free speech without being on the same side as the group. and also, another important lesson: if you don't allow free speech for people you hate, then you don;t allow free speech at all. it's all or nothing with free speech. Yuo can't pick and choose
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Zeeak4444
09/07/17 11:37:02 PM
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I wonder what it's like.
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Kineth
09/07/17 11:40:37 PM
#78:


CableZL posted...
Can we at least quote him accurately?

If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon,” Obama said. “When I think about this boy, I think about my own kids.”

and

ElatedVenusaur posted...
CrimsonRage posted...
I still don't see what was so wrong with him saying that tbh

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Kineth
09/07/17 11:41:52 PM
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Annihilated posted...
Sir Will posted...
I wonder what it's like to be so lacking in human emotions as to defend Nazis.


I wonder what it's like to be so lacking in human emotions as to defend unprovoked violence and supression of basic human rights.


Nazis are inhuman. You literally have more criticism for Obama's words in this topic than you do for Nazis. How about you stop defending white supremacy or at least be a man and own up to your shit?
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jumi
09/07/17 11:42:21 PM
#80:


Milkman5 posted...
thing I have ever heard.

Obama : "Trayvon could have been my son"

No he couldn't have been

Obama: "Oops, I meant Trayvon could have been me"

No he couldn't have been

Obama: "Oops, I meant to say that we are both black"



I'm sure Obama didn't write that line, but christ lmao


Ever? So I take it you never heard "Pokemon Go to the polls!"
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yemmy
09/07/17 11:47:28 PM
#81:


jesus fucking christ people still arguing about this shit on here 5 years later
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Annihilated
09/07/17 11:53:54 PM
#82:


Kineth posted...
You literally have more criticism for Obama's words in this topic than you do for Nazis.


And you are a liar as usual.

Kineth posted...
How about you stop defending white supremacy or at least be a man and own up to your shit?


How about I keep my freedom of speech and you go fuck off?
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Kineth
09/07/17 11:58:26 PM
#83:


Annihilated posted...
Kineth posted...
You literally have more criticism for Obama's words in this topic than you do for Nazis.


And you are a liar as usual.


You've got a lot of nerve calling me a liar when the evidence is in this very fucking topic. Once again, how about you be a man and own up to your shit.

How about I keep my freedom of speech and you go fuck off?


Your freedom of speech was never in danger. Read a fucking book and learn what you're talking about and also learn how to be a man and stand behind your words instead of slouching and shrugging them off.
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ThanksUglyGod
09/08/17 12:03:35 AM
#84:


Kineth posted...
CableZL posted...
Can we at least quote him accurately?

If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon,” Obama said. “When I think about this boy, I think about my own kids.”

and

ElatedVenusaur posted...
CrimsonRage posted...
I still don't see what was so wrong with him saying that tbh
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Waluigi7
09/08/17 12:05:28 AM
#85:


TC has a problem with Obama saying that because he's alt-right.
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UncleBourbon33
09/08/17 12:10:36 AM
#86:


BLAKUboy posted...
CrimsonRage posted...
I still don't see what was so wrong with him saying that tbh

I'd not-so-subtly imply racism, but knowing this site that would probably get modded quicker than actual racism.

Everything is because racism.
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Dathrowed1
09/08/17 12:14:45 AM
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"Trayvon could have been my son" and "Cool clock Ahmed. Want to bring it to the White house?" are probably the most regrettable and embarrassing things he said while president.
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Callixtus
09/08/17 12:16:12 AM
#88:


Fucking Clock Boy
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ImPickleRick
09/08/17 12:20:34 AM
#89:


Obama is the reason liberals are so crazy these days.
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Mr_MacPhisto
09/08/17 12:20:41 AM
#90:


His "Most transparent administration in history" was the biggest joke statement of his presidency.

Complete bullshit.
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That_Happened
09/08/17 12:41:45 AM
#91:


darkjedilink posted...
Sir Will posted...
Sir Will posted...
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/aug/17/donald-trump/donald-trump-wrong-charlottesville-counter-protest/

Did you read that? Their permit was for two totally different locations than where they fought with the Nazis.

Ergo, they literally did not have permission to be where they were.

Did you read it?

"In addition, Dickler of the city of Charlottesville said that counter-protesters would have been permitted even outside of the two park locations specified in the permit. "A permit does not bar other individuals from entry to a public park (such as Emancipation Park), nor does it restrict who can be on streets or sidewalks outside of and/or adjacent to the park."

Looks like you just ran out of excuses. Still gonna defend the Nazis now, boy?
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jumi
09/08/17 3:54:25 AM
#92:


ImPickleRick posted...
Obama is the reason racists are so rampant these days.


FTFY
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Kineth
09/08/17 6:45:51 AM
#93:


UncleBourbon33 posted...
BLAKUboy posted...
CrimsonRage posted...
I still don't see what was so wrong with him saying that tbh

I'd not-so-subtly imply racism, but knowing this site that would probably get modded quicker than actual racism.

Everything is because racism.


That's an easy cop-out to attempt invalidate any claims of racism whether they are valid or not, because people use it as justification too much. A critical mind should be able to discern that things aren't only one or the other, but rather have both instances, outliers, false claims, other cause, and no relevance.

Dathrowed1 posted...
"Trayvon could have been my son" and "Cool clock Ahmed. Want to bring it to the White house?" are probably the most regrettable and embarrassing things he said while president.


CableZL posted...
Can we at least quote him accurately?
If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon,” Obama said. “When I think about this boy, I think about my own kids.”

and

ElatedVenusaur posted...
CrimsonRage posted...
I still don't see what was so wrong with him saying that tbh


Also I don't get what's so bad about the other quote either. Honestly, I'm pretty sure that there are likely legit worse quotes from Obama, but I'm not looking to change the subject.
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asdf8562
09/08/17 7:18:54 AM
#94:


jumi posted...
ImPickleRick posted...
Obama is the reason racists are so rampant these days.


FTFY

Delusional people actually believe this.

Racism never died in the first place. It just went into hiding. Theres also areas in the states that were always full of racist and the issue was never addressed. Obama is not the reason.

People are delusional to think racism died after the 60s or it just magically changed peopkes hearts just like that. Stormfront or w/e for example was a thing long before Obamas presidency. Closet racist are still around, the only difference is many are coming out the closet about it.
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Kineth
09/08/17 7:36:57 AM
#95:


asdf8562 posted...
jumi posted...
ImPickleRick posted...
Obama is the reason racists are so rampant these days.


FTFY

Delusional people actually believe this.

Racism never died in the first place. It just went into hiding. Theres also areas in the states that were always full of racist and the issue was never addressed. Obama is not the reason.

People are delusional to think racism died after the 60s or it just magically changed peopkes hearts just like that. Stormfront or w/e for example was a thing long before Obamas presidency. Closet racist are still around, the only difference is many are coming out the closet about it.


I think @jumi's statement is valid if you consider it to mean that his presence was the reason/incentive/impetus/turning point that got people like that uneasy and mobilized to slowly come out of the closet as they found people they could open up to about their long lingering feelings. There was a documented increase in the amount of white supremacist organizations nationwide as well as recruitment and activity during Obama's presidency.

I don't think Obama's responsible for it because how the fuck can you blame somebody for living and only simply doing their fucking job? I do, however, think that he is very relevant piece of the full, true answer to the question.

If that is not what he intended to say then, that's at least how I would say it.
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yemmy
09/08/17 7:49:23 AM
#96:


obama did his hand in dividing the nation way before trump got started

not even the race shit, more like hammering us about gun laws after muslims shoot up a christmas party, instead of blaming isis, basically refusing to admit there is a problem with islamic terrorism.

regardless of what the media would have you believe (both sides, fox and msnbc) only a vocal minority of people like trump (or still like trump), obama made it to where you weren't 'cool' if you didn't like him, oh shit HE'S DOING THE DOUGIE lol. Piece of shit president, if we don't replace the ACA it will implode on itself and really that is about the only thing he ever got done.
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That_Happened
09/08/17 9:01:50 AM
#97:


yemmy posted...
basically refusing to admit there is a problem with islamic terrorism.


You can always tell when someone's media diet is full of nothing but O'Reilly, Limbaugh and Brietbart. Obama regularly called out ISIS and Al Qaida.
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IWBYD
09/08/17 9:29:44 AM
#98:


Ill never understand why that triggered so many snowflakes.
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Knowledge_King
09/08/17 1:01:43 PM
#99:


Nothing wrong with the quote. And lol at Obama being racists. Maybe against Black people (joke as he's not, he just...didn't help them in anyway). Against anyone else? Nah. That's been disproven.
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yemmy
09/08/17 1:07:40 PM
#100:


That_Happened posted...
yemmy posted...
basically refusing to admit there is a problem with islamic terrorism.


You can always tell when someone's media diet is full of nothing but O'Reilly, Limbaugh and Brietbart. Obama regularly called out ISIS and Al Qaida.


I was more speaking about him blaming domestic terrorism on the guns and not the actual ideology of said people (even trying to disprove ISIS loyalty in a lot of cases, like the Orlando guy who called 911 to pledge allegiance to ISIS, but no, he shot up the club because he was gay himself). But yeah, way to context.
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darkjedilink
09/08/17 1:08:09 PM
#101:


Knowledge_King posted...
Nothing wrong with the quote. And lol at Obama being racists. Maybe against Black people (joke as he's not, he just...didn't help them in anyway). Against anyone else? Nah. That's been disproven.

How has it been disproven, when he's literally never been right about a racial issue, siding with black people regardless of situation?
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UnfairRepresent
09/08/17 1:08:12 PM
#102:


That_Happened posted...
yemmy posted...
basically refusing to admit there is a problem with islamic terrorism.


You can always tell when someone's media diet is full of nothing but O'Reilly, Limbaugh and Brietbart. Obama regularly called out ISIS and Al Qaida.


Irregularly and more importantly he actively downplayed the relivance of religion and got mad at peope who brought it up.

That's unhelpful and divides people

It directly led to things like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfzSlldIUHQ

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