Current Events > Favorite "Game of Thrones" villain? *Possible Spoilers*

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Ramsay is the most evil, Night King is the most dangerous, Littlefinger is the smartest, but Joffrey is my pick. He has a legitimate excuse for being as horrific a human being as he is.
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I really liked "Shut the fuck up TC" I thought he was a great villain.
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Cersei. Watching her fuck up is the highlight of the series.

And nah, Joffrey has no legitimate excuse.
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Ramsay is my least favorite ... so that makes him my favorite villain..?
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Where the fuck is Tywin?
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Are there really villains in that show? It would have been boring AF without Joffrey and the other Lannisters to spice it up. Can't run a show with the Starks alone, they suck. Daenarys and Jon Boring are both weak uninteresting characters, who seem to run more on blind luck and suspension of disbelief than anything else.
I can't wait for it to be over.
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WafflehouseJK posted...

Where the fuck is Tywin?

This. Tywin was my favorite villain because he is the most nuanced out of all the GoT villains, and nuance is something I really appreciate in villains. With that in mind, I suppose I would put Cersei second.

Euron is basically C'Thulu so I'm going with him
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pegusus123456 posted...

Cersei. Watching her fuck up is the highlight of the series.

And nah, Joffrey has no legitimate excuse.

He was born of incest and raised as a rich sociopath. The only reason Tommen came out okay was because Cersei had learned her lesson the first time.

WafflehouseJK posted...

Where the fuck is Tywin?

I'm not even sure I'd call him a villain. But the more I think about it, the more I realize he definitely is. Oh well.
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au_gold posted...

He was born of incest and raised as a rich sociopath. The only reason Tommen came out okay was because Cersei had learned her lesson the first time.

He wasn't raised to be a sociopath, he just is one. And plenty of Targeryans weren't sociopaths.

And I wouldn't call Tywin a villain. He's more like a force of nature.
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Rewatching the early seasons, you can see how Cersei manipulates Joffrey into being a little monster. She made him power hungry and self serving.

Tywin is just so good of a character it's hard to label him as a villain. He's a vile man at times, and a brilliant one at others.
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I've only finished up to season 4, but is the Night King really evil? I mean, it seems like more of a 'force of nature' sort of thing. Like the Saint of Killers.

Dash_Harber posted...

I've only finished up to season 4, but is the Night King really evil? I mean, it seems like more of a 'force of nature' sort of thing. Like the Saint of Killers.

They've given absolutely no characterization so who knows
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DarthAragorn posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

I've only finished up to season 4, but is the Night King really evil? I mean, it seems like more of a 'force of nature' sort of thing. Like the Saint of Killers.

They've given absolutely no characterization so who knows

That's sort of my point. He's either a poor villain, or not really a villain at all. Given that he is basically king of the frozen zombies, I'm going to assume he is about as much a villain as the creatures they kill on the Walking Dead.

au_gold posted...

Rewatching the early seasons, you can see how Cersei manipulates Joffrey into being a little monster. She made him power hungry and self serving.

I think the only scene they really have together is when Joffrey is talking about making a royal army...and Cersei advises restraint. And then pretty much every scene is Cersei offering restraint.

au_gold posted...

Tywin is just so good of a character it's hard to label him as a villain. He's a vile man at times, and a brilliant one at others.

I think it's because he's arguably the villain from every other character's perspective, so he comes across as kind of neutral.
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pegusus123456 posted...

au_gold posted...

Rewatching the early seasons, you can see how Cersei manipulates Joffrey into being a little monster. She made him power hungry and self serving.

I think the only scene they really have together is when Joffrey is talking about making a royal army...and Cersei advises restraint. And then pretty much every scene is Cersei offering restraint.

The scene I had in mind was when Cersei was bandaging him when he was attacked by Arya's wolf, and she told him that once he's king, he can have and do whatever he wanted. Also, she said something like "anyone who isn't us is our enemy." Maybe it's another scene, but I remember her telling Joffrey something to that extent.
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Euron is fastly becoming my fav character
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DD Divine posted...

Euron is fastly becoming my fav character

Seriously? He's so lame
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DarthAragorn posted...

DD Divine posted...

Euron is fastly becoming my fav character

Seriously? He's so lame

I like his arrogance and back and forth with Jamie.
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DD Divine posted...

DarthAragorn posted...

DD Divine posted...

Euron is fastly becoming my fav character

Seriously? He's so lame

I like his arrogance and back and forth with Jamie.

Only cause Jaime has no teeth. Euron is an archetype forced cartoon villain, at least in the shows. Everything about him is cartoonish.

Ramsay.

he ended up being kinda lame and cartoonish, towards the end, but I liked how he was clearly an evil character in a series full of morally grey.

and his whole "deconstruction of a man" thing was really cruel and demented.
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boxington posted...

Ramsay.

he ended up being kinda lame and cartoonish, towards the end, but I liked how he was clearly an evil character in a series full of morally grey.

and his whole "deconstruction of a man" thing was really cruel and demented.

The thing is, he wasn't actually that evil, if you take his timeline into consideration. Everything he did, was to consolidate his power. Which coming from a neglected Bastard, is quite demanding.

Aside from the fact he was raised as a bastard by Boose Bolton, who raped his mother under the hanging body of her husband. Let me remind you what life is like as a Bastard, Jon had to eat ON THE FLOOR like a pet, while the rest of the family got to sit on the table, that was in the 'oh so honorable Stark household'. Nevermind the fact, how Caitlyn OPENLY hated Jon, whose only fault was being born. Imagine what Ramsay's life growing up was like. As for the events in the show.

Raped Sansa? His wife. Quite common in their time. Just ask Drogo and Jaime.

Killed Roose Bolton? Have you met the guy?

Killed Roose Bolton's wife and child? They were a threat to his power, the child is by all means the rightful ruler of the Bolton Household.

Remove Theon's dick? The guy killed children. So he was just as bad as Ramsay.

So in the end, it is a show where EVERYONE is morally grey.

OEIO999 posted...

The thing is, he wasn't actually that evil, if you take his timeline into consideration. Everything he did, was to consolidate his power. Which coming from a neglected Bastard, is quite demanding.

Raped Sansa? His wife. Quite common in their time. Just ask Drogor and Jaime.

Killed Roose Bolton? Have you met the guy?

Killed Roose Bolton's wife and child? They were a threat to his power, the child is by all means the rightful ruler of the Bolton Household.

Remove Theon's dick? The guy killed children. So he was just as bad as Ramsay.

So in the end, it is a show where EVERYONE is morally grey.

No, even by the standards of people in his own world, he is a terrible, shitty sociopath of a person.

You're also forgetting that he hunts people for sport.
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yea, he also: rapes, tortures, and siccs his hounds on peasant women that have no kinda influence on his power
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OEIO999 posted...

Jon had to eat ON THE FLOOR like a pet

dot dot dot
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pegusus123456 posted...

OEIO999 posted...

The thing is, he wasn't actually that evil, if you take his timeline into consideration. Everything he did, was to consolidate his power. Which coming from a neglected Bastard, is quite demanding.

Raped Sansa? His wife. Quite common in their time. Just ask Drogor and Jaime.

Killed Roose Bolton? Have you met the guy?

Killed Roose Bolton's wife and child? They were a threat to his power, the child is by all means the rightful ruler of the Bolton Household.

Remove Theon's dick? The guy killed children. So he was just as bad as Ramsay.

So in the end, it is a show where EVERYONE is morally grey.

No, even by the standards of people in his own world, he is a terrible, shitty sociopath of a person.

You're also forgetting that he hunts people for sport.

Was he terrible shitty sociopath? Yes. But he wasn't clearly evil character and a lot of what he did, fell into his right or his desire to consolidate power.

boxington posted...

yea, he also: rapes, tortures, and siccs his hounds on peasant women that have no kinda influence on his power

A lot of the other people on this list have done worse.

okay, maybe i might have implied that Ramsay was the only evil character, since there are others (The Mountain, Euron, etc.)
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OEIO999 posted...

Was he terrible shitty sociopath? Yes. But he wasn't clearly evil character and a lot of what he did, fell into his right or his desire to consolidate power.

He hunted people for sport.
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Yeah and Tywin made Tyrion watch his lover be used as a whore by the Lannister soldiers.

I think he was also made to go last.

That's some parenting.
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Ilishe posted...

Yeah and Tywin made Tyrion watch his lover be used as a whore by the Lannister soldiers.

I think he was also made to go last.

That's some parenting.

That was pretty bad, yeah.

But he didn't hunt people for sport.
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Roose is Tywin with a cooler voice.
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Ramsey was a cartoonish caricature
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pegusus123456 posted...

Ilishe posted...

Yeah and Tywin made Tyrion watch his lover be used as a whore by the Lannister soldiers.

I think he was also made to go last.

That's some parenting.

That was pretty bad, yeah.

But he didn't hunt people for sport.

Tywin obliterated ENTIRE FAMILIES.

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/The_Rains_of_Castamere

You're right, that's no way near as bad as 'hunting people for sport'.

Where in the god damn fuck is Tywin?
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OEIO999 posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

Ilishe posted...

Yeah and Tywin made Tyrion watch his lover be used as a whore by the Lannister soldiers.

I think he was also made to go last.

That's some parenting.

That was pretty bad, yeah.

But he didn't hunt people for sport.

Tywin obliterated ENTIRE FAMILIES.

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/The_Rains_of_Castamere

You're right, that's no way near as bad as 'hunting people for sport'.

He had a reason. A reason that wasn't hunting people for sport.
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pegusus123456 posted...

OEIO999 posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

Ilishe posted...

Yeah and Tywin made Tyrion watch his lover be used as a whore by the Lannister soldiers.

I think he was also made to go last.

That's some parenting.

That was pretty bad, yeah.

But he didn't hunt people for sport.

Tywin obliterated ENTIRE FAMILIES.

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/The_Rains_of_Castamere

You're right, that's no way near as bad as 'hunting people for sport'.

He had a reason. A reason that wasn't hunting people for sport.

Ramsay had a reason, the reason was called fun.

OEIO999 posted...

Ramsay had a reason, the reason was called fun.

Yeah, that's why he's more evil than most of the other characters
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pegusus123456 posted...

OEIO999 posted...

Ramsay had a reason, the reason was called fun.

Yeah, that's why he's more evil than most of the other characters

Fun isn't more evil than destroying entire families cause they don't want to follow you. BtW entire families include women and children who had nothing to do with anything.

Ramsey is the biggest sadist in the show, maybe Joffrey comes close.
Sadism, pleasure from other's misery, is probably the best metric for measuring evil.

That said, excuses, good or bad, don't justify heinous acts.

Depending in the implications, the Night King may be the most evil. He may actually destroy/imprison/enslave souls.
Edit, also his goal seems to be total global genocide. He's definitely force of nature if the story sense but evil surely.
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OEIO999 posted...

Fun isn't more evil than destroying entire families cause they don't want to follow you. BtW entire families include women and children who had nothing to do with anything.

It is though. Not much better, but having a reason is always going to be more moral than doing it for laughs.

And for what its worth, it wasn't just a matter of not following Tywin. They were actively rebelling and challenging Casterly Rock's leadership.
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Flasbangs posted...

I can't wait for it to be over.

I mean no one is putting a gun to your head and making you watch GoT.

You could always not watch it, like I did with Walking Dead.
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OEIO999 posted...

DD Divine posted...

DarthAragorn posted...

DD Divine posted...

Euron is fastly becoming my fav character

Seriously? He's so lame

I like his arrogance and back and forth with Jamie.

Only cause Jaime has no teeth. Euron is an archetype forced cartoon villain, at least in the shows. Everything about him is cartoonish.

Hes interesting because he changes his personality to suit the occasion, the role probably called for a better actor though.

Im partial to Roose though, mainly because hes the best actor on this list.
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pegusus123456 posted...

OEIO999 posted...

Fun isn't more evil than destroying entire families cause they don't want to follow you. BtW entire families include women and children who had nothing to do with anything.

It is though. Not much better, but having a reason is always going to be more moral than doing it for laughs.

And for what its worth, it wasn't just a matter of not following Tywin. They were actively rebelling and challenging Casterly Rock's leadership.

Not really, Ramsay at most killed a handful of people through his desires, otherwise he'd be well known for his sadism. We don't know why they were victims of his sadistic nature, maybe they did something to be in their position.

Tywin wiped out two houses IIRC, the decisions of a few leaders wishing to rebel, they didn't attack the Lannisters in their rebellion, they just chose not to serve them, so it doesn't justify an entire house of innocent people who had nothing to do with that decision, being wiped out. That is the decision of a sadist, so Tywin is just as bad as Ramsay, if not worse, since he killed a shit ton more innocent people and Ramsay was a victim of his father. Tywin's father was a good and decent man. Tywin and his heirs have no excuse to be sadists.

OEIO999 posted...

Not really, Ramsay at most killed a handful of people through his desires, otherwise he'd be well known for his sadism. We don't know why they were victims of his sadistic nature, maybe they did something to be in their position.

I didn't know that Dhalism had a GameFAQs account, but that must be your real identity because holy shit you are reaching
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pegusus123456 posted...

OEIO999 posted...

Not really, Ramsay at most killed a handful of people through his desires, otherwise he'd be well known for his sadism. We don't know why they were victims of his sadistic nature, maybe they did something to be in their position.

I didn't know that Dhalism had a GameFAQs account, but that must be your real identity because holy shit you are reaching

Way to get personal. Next time don't pick a debate with someone who is clearly your intellectual superior. Try to differentiate fiction from reality next time, otherwise people will think you're an idiot. It didn't even take long for you to show your true colour.

OEIO999 posted...

Way to get personal. Next time don't pick a debate with someone who is clearly your intellectual superior. It didn't even take long for you to show your true colour.

I mean, you're making up grave wrongs that serving girls and old women did to House Bolton that justifies them being hunted and torn apart by dogs while in the same post arguing that Tywin is a sadist because he wipes out houses that rebel against him. You
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pegusus123456 posted...

OEIO999 posted...

Way to get personal. Next time don't pick a debate with someone who is clearly your intellectual superior. It didn't even take long for you to show your true colour.

I mean, you're making up grave wrongs that serving girls and old women did to House Bolton that justifies them being hunted and torn apart by dogs while in the same post arguing that Tywin is a sadist because he wipes out houses that rebel against him. You

Yes, because you're trying to claim Tywin wiping out two houses, for choosing not to serve him, wiping out how many innocent people, who had nothing to do with that decision, is somehow not as bad, if not worse than Ramsay killing a couple of people because he's a psycho. We don't have a POV from Ramsay, you can't state they didn't do anything then or in the past to receive Ramsay's ire. Does that justify it? No, but you're the one bitching about 'reasons' justifying the deaths of innocents.

Please check yourself into a psychologist. You need it

OEIO999 posted...

We don't have a POV from Ramsay, you can't state they didn't do anything then or in the past to receive Ramsay's ire.

bruh

He hunted down Old Nan in the books. In the show, he hunts a serving girl down because she was pretty and it made his girlfriend "jealous."
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