Current Events > Former cop avoids prison despite admitting he raped teen while working in school

(+) Yeah! (+)

Cops gets away with breaking the law

Who could of seen that coming?
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The Admiral posted...

Bishop9800 posted...

The Admiral posted...

I'm saying his former job is absolutely irrelevant to what he did, and the only reason it was mentioned is because this is clickbait.

Bullshit. He was a school security guard. He worked with kids. It has everything to do with it.

Yes, security guard was his current job at the time of the crime and is relevant. Cop was his former job and was not. He was a cop with the Brockport Police Department and then was hired as a private security guard by C.O.P. Security after he left the force.

So you're saying that since he was a school security guard (which he was hired to watch kids) it's perfectly alright what he did?
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Bishop9800 posted...

The Admiral posted...

Bishop9800 posted...

The Admiral posted...

I'm saying his former job is absolutely irrelevant to what he did, and the only reason it was mentioned is because this is clickbait.

Bullshit. He was a school security guard. He worked with kids. It has everything to do with it.

Yes, security guard was his current job at the time of the crime and is relevant. Cop was his former job and was not. He was a cop with the Brockport Police Department and then was hired as a private security guard by C.O.P. Security after he left the force.

So you're saying that since he was a school security guard (which he was hired to watch kids) it's perfectly alright what he did?

I literally already answered this the first time you asked it. Are you capable of actually of reading? Post 23:

The Admiral posted...

Of course it was wrong, and he's been appropriately charged and sentenced.

Of course it's a crime, but if the headline was more accurately reported as "Security guard commits statutory rape with 16 year old student," Rawstory wouldn't have reported it and most of you would cool it with the virtue signaling.
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The Admiral posted...

TheVipaGTS posted...

Why am I not surprised Admiral is defending a sexual offender?

Because you're incapable of reading, apparently. Wipe the drool off your keyboard and read the actual posts before embarrassing yourself again.

No I read it. Said nothing about the statutory rape. You keep dancing around the fact that he was an authority figure at the school. Anything you can do to defend him. You're going to hide behind "he wasn't a cop at the time!"...doesn't change the fact that you've spent several posts trying to justify the actions of a rapist. Good on ya, man.

TheVipaGTS posted...

Said nothing about the statutory rape

Third-degree rape is statutory rape in NY.

http://law.onecle.com/new-york/penal/PEN0130.25_130.25.html

Your illiteracy and lack of knowledge are not really problems.
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Admiral's first post in the topic was to dismiss this as a non-story, pretty disgusting no matter how you slice it
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The Admiral posted...

Of course it's a crime, but if the headline was more accurately reported as "Security guard commits statutory rape with 16 year old student," Rawstory wouldn't have reported it and most of you would cool it with the virtue signaling.

So if this is a crime, why are your panties in a uproar? So what if he was a cop, "is a cop" "wants to be a cop", (it doesn't matter) the point is, why are you defending this pervert?
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eston posted...

Admiral's first post in the topic was to dismiss this as a non-story, pretty disgusting no matter how you slice it

I kind of wonder...if the title instead said "30 year old refugee gets no jail time for statutory rape"...would admirals first post still start off with "so it was consensual..."...

eston posted...

Admiral's first post in the topic was to dismiss this as a non-story, pretty disgusting no matter how you slice it

Because it is a non-story. This girl was living with the security guard because she didn't have a stable family structure. During that time, they started a sexual relationship, but this was never a case where he was abusing his authority to coerce her. Everything mentioned, including the rationale for light sentencing, was that it was consensual. Since she was a year underage, I'm fine with with this guy being charged and prosecuted, but this is not a major story by any means.
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Admiral- this is a click bait article and that's evident by the way they use his former job and rape vs statutory rape.

People- are you saying you support rape

Admiral- no as I clearly stated it's not a national story. Its just meant to outrage people by using "rape" and "former cop"

People- OMG ADMIRAL SUPPORTS RAPE!

Anyways this is gross, he was punished appropriately, he was remorseful, his former job had nothing to do with this and I bet half you hypocrites are the ones talking about how you wished your teachers were hot and stat raped you.

Agree with admiral that I don't understand why this is news.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

Admiral- this is a click bait article and that's evident by the way they use his former job and rape vs statutory rape.

People- are you saying you support rape

Admiral- no as I clearly stated it's not a national story. Its just meant to outrage people by using "rape" and "former cop"

People- OMG ADMIRAL SUPPORTS RAPE!

Anyways this is gross, he was punished appropriately, he was remorseful, his former job had nothing to do with this and I bet half you hypocrites are the ones talking about how you wished your teachers were hot and stat raped you.

Agree with admiral that I don't understand why this is news.

Dude he said it was literally nothing.
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He's doing everything he can to justify the actions. "She was living with him, she had a bad family life, they started a sexual relationship, he wasn't a cop, he wasn't an authority figure (how the guardian isn't an authority figure I don't understand)...I mean what he did was bad!....but it was consensual!"...

so I guess a step father can't be seen as an "authority" figure anymore if he starts a relationship with a minor. His only concern seems to be with the title. He's furious about that...but he keeps glossing over the actual details and is trying to make them sound insignificant.

Guys, Admiral has said some pretty reprehensible things but put away your hate boners and actually read what he's saying.
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eston posted...

Admiral's first post in the topic was to dismiss this as a non-story, pretty disgusting no matter how you slice it

I'm pretty sure he was criticising the sources framing of the story by avoiding the phrase "statutory rape" to ellicit a stronger response, in addition to emphasizing that he was a "former cop". It's clearly an emotionally manipulative attempt to stir anti-cop sentiment while obscuring the full nature of the crime; i.e. consensual sex but illegal by age statutes.

The worst thing about statutory rape laws is they are inherently arbitrary and nebulous--They cannot he said to uphold a moral code because they are based on inconsistent axioms. Thus, when someone wants to pile on an agenda, they like to avoid the fact that the crime was statuatory to avoid and moral ambiguities and really stoke that strong emotional response. Thus, their article gets shared more on social media because "rape" and "police officer" and "young white girl" are the only things that stick in people's mind.

So yeah. Sentencing seemed to follow guidelines. I'm not sure what the outrage here is. It's one of a half dozen cases that pop up every day for statutory rape but it's the only one that goes viral. Use your heads and try to figure out why--And it's not because of sentencing. Only around 50-60% of (Male) offenders serve any jail time.
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The Admiral posted...

eston posted...

Admiral's first post in the topic was to dismiss this as a non-story, pretty disgusting no matter how you slice it

Because it is a non-story. This girl was living with the security guard because she didn't have a stable family structure. During that time, they started a sexual relationship, but this was never a case where he was abusing his authority to coerce her. Everything mentioned, including the rationale for light sentencing, was that it was consensual. Since she was a year underage, I'm fine with with this guy being charged and prosecuted, but this is not a major story by any means.

I don't think anyone here is trying to make it out to be a big story, but it most certainly isn't a non-story. Something doesn't have to be of utmost national importance to be worth discussing here, you know that. If it's a story you aren't interested in, that's fine, but your posts in this topic are pretty fucking disgusting
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eston posted...

I don't think anyone here is trying to make it out to be a big story

Then I don't think you understand what Rawstory is doing. This is on their front page.
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Something being on the front page of Rawstory makes it major news? That's news to me
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dave_is_slick posted...

Guys, Admiral has said some pretty reprehensible things but put away your hate boners and actually read what he's saying.

I did. He claimed that the statutory rape of a minor by an authority figure was "literally nothing" and claimed that if she was a year older it wouldn't be a crime.

Which, by the way, I'm fairly certain is incorrect as it's the same rationale why a teacher can't legally have sex with an of age student.
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The Admiral posted...

Unquestionable posted...

The Admiral posted...

Unquestionable posted...

Not only was it pointed out that he should be aware of how illegal it is but the fact he was in a position of authority makes it even worse.

He was a security guard when this happened, not a cop. And you're the one who's being dense here if you think someone needs to be a former cop to know consent laws.

So what you're saying is he has no excuse and any defense of him is laughable?

I'm saying his former job is absolutely irrelevant to what he did, and the only reason it was mentioned is because this is clickbait.

just like when you throw in "liberals" to every shitpost

The Great Muta 22 posted...

Which, by the way, I'm fairly certain is incorrect as it's the same rationale why a teacher can't legally have sex with an of age student.

The teacher would be fired for that, but unless there was evidence of coercion, it wouldn't be a crime.
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The Admiral posted...

eston posted...

I don't think anyone here is trying to make it out to be a big story

Then I don't think you understand what Rawstory is doing. This is on their front page.

For the sake of context I went ahead and drew a red rectangle around where this story falls on their front page:

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apparently Admiral thinks being against rape is a Liberal thing.
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Really fucking sick of people's ridiculous cop worship allowing corrupt pieces of shit like this guy get away with it

being a cop is the closest the average person can get to pro athlete treatment.

any scumbag who hasn't been caught can apply and go through training to be an officer, so it doesn't make sense to pretend like they're more than human. covering for criminals only makes the entire organization look bad, and they're paid with my tax dollars so I REALLY take this nonchalant attitude about rape as a red flag.
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There is a lot of overreaction on here.

- He wasn't a cop. He was a security guard when this happened. If the guy was a CEO before he became a security guard, are you going to say something like "CEO did this and that"? No? Then stop trying to change things to hate on cops.
- He wasn't a teacher. It doesn't make it that much better, but it's different from a teacher preying on students.
- Its not rape, it's statutory rape if anything. He didn't forcibly penetrate her. It was consensual.
- Yes, it's against the law, but let's not turn this into something that doesn't happen in often. In some states, the age of consent is 16. In some other countries, it's less.
- Teens are sexually active. Get that in your head. If it's not with the security guard, it's with someone else. And yes, they sleep with older men sometimes, more often than you think.

It sounds like some of you are too emotional because he was a 'former cop'. Or maybe some of you are sexually frustrated and isn't getting any, so you take your righteous virtue signaling out on some security guard. Get over yourself. What he did was illegal under today's laws, but it's not that severe of a crime.
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This was an adult male who was responsible for the safety and well-being of peoples' kids, decided to have sex with one of them, and did not go to prison
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The Admiral posted...

The Great Muta 22 posted...

Which, by the way, I'm fairly certain is incorrect as it's the same rationale why a teacher can't legally have sex with an of age student.

The teacher would be fired for that, but unless there was evidence of coercion, it wouldn't be a crime.

Depends on the state, and what one means by "of age".

While a majority of states have the AoC at 16 or 17, many also raise that to 18 when it's with people in an authority position, despite any evidence against coercion. Meaning a teacher would face criminal charges if they have sex with a legal 16/17 year old student, even if the student testifies in court that it was 100% consensual and even offers some form of evidence of the fact.
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I really feel how we treat people under 18 in most human societies is gross as fuck, sexual abuse of boys and girls is rampant because we basically strip them of all but the most bare civil rights.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

Admiral- this is a click bait article and that's evident by the way they use his former job and rape vs statutory rape.

People- are you saying you support rape

Admiral- no as I clearly stated it's not a national story. Its just meant to outrage people by using "rape" and "former cop"

People- OMG ADMIRAL SUPPORTS RAPE!

No shit, it's crazy how hard some of these people will reach. They'll probably be like "remember when addy defended rape" in numerous topics to come.
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tri sapphire posted...

The Admiral posted...

The Great Muta 22 posted...

Which, by the way, I'm fairly certain is incorrect as it's the same rationale why a teacher can't legally have sex with an of age student.

The teacher would be fired for that, but unless there was evidence of coercion, it wouldn't be a crime.

Depends on the state, and what one means by "of age".

While a majority of states have the AoC at 16 or 17, many also raise that to 18 when it's with people in an authority position, despite any evidence against coercion. Meaning a teacher would face criminal charges if they have sex with a legal 16/17 year old student, even if the student testifies in court that it was 100% consensual and even offers some form of evidence of the fact.

That's true, but I was assuming this same story set in NY, where the AOC is 17.
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I'm confused about the article. It seems the judge is blaming the defendant for putting up a defense.

NibeIungsnarf posted...

I'm confused about the article. It seems the judge is blaming the defendant for putting up a defense.

The "expressed horror" is just Rawstory bullshit clickbait. The man pleaded guilty, and one of the things the judges need to do is assess if the person is actually remorseful, as this affects the sentence. Letters from friends and community leaders are usually presented as evidence that the person is a good member of society and should be given leniency. These letters go beyond that and call into question the man's plea, which is somewhat troublesome to the judge as they indicate he might not really believe that what he did was wrong/criminal.
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The Admiral posted...

eston posted...

Admiral's first post in the topic was to dismiss this as a non-story, pretty disgusting no matter how you slice it

Because it is a non-story. This girl was living with the security guard because she didn't have a stable family structure. During that time, they started a sexual relationship, but this was never a case where he was abusing his authority to coerce her. Everything mentioned, including the rationale for light sentencing, was that it was consensual. Since she was a year underage, I'm fine with with this guy being charged and prosecuted, but this is not a major story by any means.

Wow...

Yo bro's if a hot 15 year old has a F***** up home life, totes take her in and bang her, you're not abusing your authority as an authority figure in the school. Who wouldn't make that mistake AMIRITE?!?!

Yikes, what if someone was screwing you daugth....

nevermind.
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KYOJIROKAGENUMA posted...

The Admiral posted...

eston posted...

Admiral's first post in the topic was to dismiss this as a non-story, pretty disgusting no matter how you slice it

Because it is a non-story. This girl was living with the security guard because she didn't have a stable family structure. During that time, they started a sexual relationship, but this was never a case where he was abusing his authority to coerce her. Everything mentioned, including the rationale for light sentencing, was that it was consensual. Since she was a year underage, I'm fine with with this guy being charged and prosecuted, but this is not a major story by any means.

Wow...

Yo bro's if a hot 15 year old has a F***** up home life, totes take her in and bang her, you're not abusing your authority as an authority figure in the school. Who wouldn't make that mistake AMIRITE?!?!

Yikes, what if someone was screwing you daugth....

nevermind.

It's always easy to resort to strawmen when you don't know how to respond to an argument.

Again, statistics FOR CONTEXT, only about 20% of people charged with ONLY statutory rape receive prison time.

http://www.brown.edu/Administration/News_Bureau/2005-06/05-053.html

You can keep making emotional appeals, but if you're going to quote someone at least address their statements, you intellectual slob.
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Pogo_Marimo posted...

KYOJIROKAGENUMA posted...

The Admiral posted...

eston posted...

Admiral's first post in the topic was to dismiss this as a non-story, pretty disgusting no matter how you slice it

Because it is a non-story. This girl was living with the security guard because she didn't have a stable family structure. During that time, they started a sexual relationship, but this was never a case where he was abusing his authority to coerce her. Everything mentioned, including the rationale for light sentencing, was that it was consensual. Since she was a year underage, I'm fine with with this guy being charged and prosecuted, but this is not a major story by any means.

Wow...

Yo bro's if a hot 15 year old has a F***** up home life, totes take her in and bang her, you're not abusing your authority as an authority figure in the school. Who wouldn't make that mistake AMIRITE?!?!

Yikes, what if someone was screwing you daugth....

nevermind.

It's always easy to resort to strawmen when you don't know how to respond to an argument.

Again, statistics FOR CONTEXT, only about 20% of people charged with ONLY statutory rape receive prison time.

http://www.brown.edu/Administration/News_Bureau/2005-06/05-053.html

You can keep making emotional appeals, but if you're going to quote someone at least address their statements, you intellectual slob.

What are you talking about @Pogo_Marimo

I AM MAKING AN EMOTIONAL APPEAL FOR PEOPLE TO STOP SCREWING UNDERAGE KIDS lolololololLOLOLOLOLlolololol
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Is the Admiral advocating for raping underage girls?

And because you'll give a stupid answer unless I prompt you specifically, quote where Admiral does so, in full context.
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