Current Events > Richard Dawkins on Animal Suffering

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Really interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4SnBCPzBl0

Tl;dr?
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I think the biggest solution will be the development of meat that is grown in a laboratory.

LightningAce11 posted...

Tl;dr?

It is 5 mins. Just listen to it while you browse topics.

I watched this earlier and didn't even notice his cool tie
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I mean really, it is absurd to think that aborting an early human embryo is ethically worse that slaughtering an adult cow. Killing the cow undeniably causes more conscious suffering.

Richard Dawkins is crazy.
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Now, someone try explaining that to a lion.

. I think in the future, the animal cruelty aspects of food and many peoples disregard of it will be looked down upon. At least, in societies where it would have been easy to not support those methods. I understand the idea of it would be laughable to others that plain don't have the means to even think about it.
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LordBalor4 posted...

I mean really, it is absurd to think that aborting an early human embryo is ethically worse that slaughtering an adult cow. Killing the cow undeniably causes more conscious suffering.

Wow. We slaughter the cow for food. Aborting human embryo's are for the most part done because they're an inconvenience.
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LordBalor4 posted...

I think the biggest solution will be the development of meat that is grown in a laboratory.

inb4 Biomeat: Nectar
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UncleBourbon33 posted...

LordBalor4 posted...

I mean really, it is absurd to think that aborting an early human embryo is ethically worse that slaughtering an adult cow. Killing the cow undeniably causes more conscious suffering.

Wow. We slaughter the cow for food. Aborting human embryo's are for the most part done because they're an inconvenience.

troll post

In addition, I don't think the best way to move towards less meat is by trying to use ethical arguments. Best way is probably to keep asking for better cruelty free products and by supporting companies who are making it easier and easier to switch to vegetarian diets.
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LordBalor4 posted...

UncleBourbon33 posted...

LordBalor4 posted...

I mean really, it is absurd to think that aborting an early human embryo is ethically worse that slaughtering an adult cow. Killing the cow undeniably causes more conscious suffering.

Wow. We slaughter the cow for food. Aborting human embryo's are for the most part done because they're an inconvenience.

troll post

And yours wasn't, right. Valuing a cow over human life.
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When I eat meat it's not because I forget they feel pain though. It's because I want nourishment and I value my life over species.

Hexagon posted...

When I eat meat it's not because I forget they feel pain though. It's because I want nourishment and I value my life over species.

Is that the only reason? Or just one of many reasons?

And if you could get nourishment from other ways would you still feel the same?
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emblem boy posted...

Hexagon posted...

When I eat meat it's not because I forget they feel pain though. It's because I want nourishment and I value my life over species.

Is that the only reason? Or just one of many reasons?

And if you could get nourishment from other ways would you still feel the same?

Of course I know I can get nourishment in other ways, but I'm not going to eat the same amount of grass or corn that the chicken or cow ate when I can eat a beef patty or a chicken breast and get the same nutrients. I'm not going to make my life more difficult just so instead of me killing the animal, its the wild snake, or weasel, or eagle.

And finally I consider myself on higher moral ground than people who spare eating animals. I respect all life equally and will eat food from as many kingdoms as I can, I'm not biased towards the ones that have pain receptors. You don't think carrots or mushrooms don't like having their life cut short too? They can't express their displeasure, but their attempts to resist are evident.

Hexagon posted...

Of course I know I can get nourishment in other ways, but I'm not going to eat the same amount of grass or corn that the chicken or cow ate when I can eat a beef patty or a chicken breast and get the same nutrients. I'm not going to make my life more difficult just so instead of me killing the animal, its the wild snake, or weasel, or eagle.

That's fine, I was just curious since one of main reason you listed was nutrients and if that was the main reason, it's one that's not necessarily true.


Hexagon posted...

And finally I consider myself on higher moral ground than people who spare eating animals. I respect all life equally and will eat food from as many kingdoms as I can, I'm not biased towards the ones that have pain receptors. You don't think carrots or mushrooms don't like having their life cut short too? They can't express their displeasure, but their attempts to resist are evident.

That's a view I've never heard before, I don't agree, but it's new.
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UncleBourbon33 posted...

And yours wasn't, right. Valuing a cow over a cluster of cells.

FTFY
And yeah, definitely a troll post (either that, or you are completely illiterate when it comes to biology).

BaronessaRolab posted...

UncleBourbon33 posted...

And yours wasn't, right. Valuing a cow over a cluster of cells.

FTFY
And yeah, definitely a troll post (either that, or you are completely illiterate when it comes to biology).

You're illiterate if you think it's just a "cluster of cells". We're all just "clusters of cells" if that's the case.
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UncleBourbon33 posted...

BaronessaRolab posted...

UncleBourbon33 posted...

And yours wasn't, right. Valuing a cow over a cluster of cells.

FTFY
And yeah, definitely a troll post (either that, or you are completely illiterate when it comes to biology).

You're illiterate if you think it's just a "cluster of cells". We're all just "clusters of cells" if that's the case.

The difference is that one cluster of cells has a brain and can feel, while the other is a gelatinous blob incapable of thought or feeling.

LordBalor4 posted...

I think the biggest solution will be the development of meat that is grown in a laboratory.

Oh so it's that kind of video. Why would we give scientists a monopoly on meat so that hippies can kill the natural food chain?
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SageHarpuia posted...

LordBalor4 posted...

I think the biggest solution will be the development of meat that is grown in a laboratory.

Oh so it's that kind of video. Why would we give scientists a monopoly on meat so that hippies can kill the natural food chain?

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