Current Events > Huh. Bethesda's paid mods scheme is out already?

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OEIO999 posted...

DarthAragorn posted...

The writing example you gave is not exactly depth, and I don't know how you can say the gameplay hasn't been getting dumbed down when their latest game you literally only had perks and starting SPECIAL

It was deep within the specific topic TC was addressing, the transition of F3 asset in F4.

Fallout is about perks and SPECIAL, they also introduced sprinting and flying.

What? Nobody said anything about that as far as I can tell.
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Alucard188 posted...

I would like to hear your thoughts on the depth of story and dialogue as it relates to Fallout 3 and Fallout 4.

That's not what that meant at all

Compare the writing in Fallout 3 and 4 to 1, 2, and New Vegas please
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DarthAragorn posted...

That's not what that meant at all

Compare the writing in Fallout 3 and 4 to 1, 2, and New Vegas please

Alucard188 posted...

Note that you're not allowed to include Fallout New Vegas in this, because that was developed by Obsidian, and not in-house by Bethesda.

Honest question, is English your first language?
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Honest question, how old are you and when did you drop out? Otherwise you should sue your education system, since it has failed you.

...bro. You weren't allowed to use New Vegas as an example of writing depth from BETHESDA, because they didn't develop it.

There's a reason it has depth and 3 and 4 don't.
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Alucard188 posted...

I would like to hear your thoughts on the depth of story and dialogue as it relates to Fallout 3 and Fallout 4.

Alucard188 posted...

Note that you're not allowed to include Fallout New Vegas in this

He asked for my thoughts on the depth of the writing related to Beth Fallouts, he didn't say ANYTHING about comparing it to other Fallouts.

Now you're calling me a 'bro', as if your age and intelligence level wasn't clear enough.

wait what does blows mean
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CookieMarvin posted...

wait what does blows mean

Sucks, is trash, etc
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OEIO999 posted...

Alucard188 posted...

I would like to hear your thoughts on the depth of story and dialogue as it relates to Fallout 3 and Fallout 4.

Alucard188 posted...

Note that you're not allowed to include Fallout New Vegas in this

He asked for my thoughts on the writing related to Beth Fallouts, he didn't say ANYTHING about comparing it to other Fallouts.

Now you're calling me a 'bro', as if your age and intelligence level wasn't clear enough.

I didn't say he did

And I'm not the one who completely misinterpreted his post
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It was deep within the specific topic TC was addressing, the transition of F3 asset in F4.

DarthAragorn posted...

What? Nobody said anything about that as far as I can tell.

Yes, yes you are. Not that I am surprised with your education level.

You still haven't done what he asked though. Keep trying.
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You speak for him now? Whose a good boy?

God, you're sad. I honestly thought you would have been a new user, but nope.
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DarthAragorn posted...

CookieMarvin posted...

wait what does blows mean

Sucks, is trash, etc

ok, yeah, sounds like Bethesda
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DarthAragorn posted...

God, you're sad. I honestly thought you would have been a new user, but nope.

I gave what you wanted, attention. And yet you complain? Now that is a tragedy. Next time don't start shit with your intellectual superiors.

are you a real person
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also how you gonna call yourself intellectually superior to anyone when you can't differentiate between homophones? Isn't that like, illegal? I'm pretty sure that's punishable by law.
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OEIO999 posted...

It was depth within the specific topic TC was addressing, the transition of F3 asset in F4.

Actually, no it wasn't. What I wanted was how each individual game expressed depth within the context of that game. I wasn't looking for anything bridging the two games together, merely how the writing and the characters expressed depth in that specific game. I just didn't bring this up because I would have been accused of moving the goalposts, when my only crime is not explaining what I wanted well enough.
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Alucard188 posted...

OEIO999 posted...

It was depth within the specific topic TC was addressing, the transition of F3 asset in F4.

Actually, no it wasn't. What I wanted was how each individual game expressed depth within the context of that game. I wasn't looking for anything bridging the two games together, merely how the writing and the characters expressed depth in that specific game. I just didn't bring this up because I would have been accused of moving the goalposts, when my only crime is not explaining what I wanted well enough.

Well the information I provided did relate to F3 and F4, highlighting certain plot points of the game. Expanding on that.

Both F3 and F4 relies on key characters and their goals. Unless you're specific about what you want depth on, I would end of up writing paragraphs on information you might find pointless.

Therefore analyzing key characters of the game, in terms of dimensions. Lyon's is often seen as a virtuous savior of the wasteland, primarily by his own faction. But people like Li, one of the most intelligent person in the wasteland, tells you Lyon's/BoS and the BoS are not what they seem. The scribe at the purifier tells you he was was sent away from the Citadel, because he questioned Lyon's. Another key character is Augustus Autumns, he served the Enclave as his duty. But after learning of Eden's insane goals, decided to stage a coup. With it he wanted to use the Purifier as a method of unification, where the Enclave could lead the wasteland into stability. But unfortunately for him, the BoS had a Liberty Prime and their ideas where less than practical.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLXAO_OWSxA

Moving onto F4, I have already talked about Maxson and the BoS. The RR are probably the best written faction, simply because of the fact they have deceived people into thinking they are the 'good guys'. But when you actually pay attention to the game, they are anything but. They reprogram synths to be their slave army or for whatever cause they deem fit, they deceive and manipulate people to suit their purpose (Liam Bennett), the disclaim people like Liam, who are trying to do good in favour of propaganda for the synths, even going as far as to say he may need to be eliminated, they are responsible for two the biggest destruction in the game and finally they deceive everyone, with Liam final message condemning the RR and SS, who are just monsters in disguise.

Since the overlaying plot point of F4 are synths, it gives you a lot of detail on the ethical dilemma and purpose relating to synths. Where everyones take on the synths is understandable, the Institute treat them as tools that imitate humans and serve their purpose, the RR treat them as humans, the BoS sees them as a threat, to the natural order and stability of the what remains of population of Earth.

Alucard188 posted...

marc55 posted...

lol

so people are angry and afraid off moders out there wanting to earn some money and sell their work instead of doing it for free !

No one is angry at the modders for wanting to make money off of their work. What they're angry at is Bethesda seeking to muscle in on that racket and effectively curate a marketplace where you can buy stuff you could get for free elsewhere. The logistics behind it make no sense on the PC, where 99% of the modding community resides. This only makes sense for the console players.

oh you mean pirated mods

because already existing free mods wont be on creation club those will still be free
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marc55 posted...

Alucard188 posted...

marc55 posted...

lol

so people are angry and afraid off moders out there wanting to earn some money and sell their work instead of doing it for free !

No one is angry at the modders for wanting to make money off of their work. What they're angry at is Bethesda seeking to muscle in on that racket and effectively curate a marketplace where you can buy stuff you could get for free elsewhere. The logistics behind it make no sense on the PC, where 99% of the modding community resides. This only makes sense for the console players.

oh you mean pirated mods

because already existing free mods wont be on creation club those will still be free

Pirated mods? You mean the mods that Beth is doing on existing free mods and reselling them as their own?
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CookieMarvin posted...

also how you gonna call yourself intellectually superior to anyone when you can't differentiate between homophones?

OEIO999 is your typical contemporary Bethesda diehard: he can't see the lack of depth in his own analyses the same way he can't see the lack of depth in the very thing he's analyzing, and of course gets immediately defensive / belittling when forced to confront his shortcomings. I made the mistake of arguing with one a couple weeks ago who was thoroughly convinced that Skyrim's Miraak was a deep and meaningful character. Couldn't find a better examples of the Dunning-Kruger effect in action.
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Typical faqer who can't dispute my analysis, so runs his mouth trying to sideskirt the point and belittle my account.

Since a civil discussion isn't possible with people like you. I will just say Beth will always find success, because people like you are just whining crybabys, who at the end of day will throw money at them, so they can develop games with high critic rating and sales, publishing games at their leisure. They have surpassed the original creators of Fallout, who are practically non-existent right now. So please continue to whine and bitch about Beth, just remember to get your money ready for their next game, so you can continue to whine in the background.

Don't know about Miraak being deep, but Paarthurnax had more depth than most characters in gaming.

Lmao
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Is it just me or does every Fallout topic eventually end up turning into a NV vs. 3/4 argument?
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Most of the time it's NV/Obsidian fanboys who derail the topic into that. They are very stubborn about their opinion, anyone who even whispers anything good about F3/4 infuriates them to no end. So they go on a fit, calling people fanboys for not looking at the facts. Even though the facts are NV was a critically average, just metacritic it, even the players thought F3 was superior and their joke company, is practically non-existent right now, who were at kickstarters at one point, which is hilarious considering Obsidian has been around A LONG TIME. Funny how their fanbase can only open their mouth, but can't actually support their favorite company financially.

They are much like blind Trump supporters. most of them probably are blind Trump supporters.

This is ironic, considering that you are talking shit about people who you feel don't know what they're talking about, and here you are, doing the same thing on Obsidian and why they took to Kickstarter to fund games.
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OEIO999 posted...

They are much like blind Trump supporters. most of them probably are blind Trump supporters.

DarthAragorn posted...

Lmao

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Again I'm honestly shocked this isn't a new user account.
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I know the truth hurts for Obsidian fanboys, knowing how long Obsidian has existed and after all this time, they have as much reputation as an indie developer. They use kickstarter like indie developers, so what's the difference? But you know what will make you feel better? Giving Beth some more money, so you can play their games and go back to whining like you always do.

Just for refference Obsidian was founded in 2003. This is their upcoming project.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillars_of_Eternity_II:_Deadfire

The game was announced with the launch of a crowdfunding campaign on Fig.

I guess it's Fig now, TC here is talking about Beth making mods into a transaction. But OE is taking money that could go to more deserving indie developers, who have existed for a fraction of the time.

Kickstarter isn't a zero sum game, buddy. You still talk like you don't know shit. Keep proving why people should ignore you.
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Kickstarter isn't a zero sum game, buddy.

No, it just shows OE's standing in the industry. A beggar, who can't even fund their own creations. Usually you'd expect a company that has existed since 2003, to not require crowd funding, like indie developers and achieve internal success. But hey I guess it's alright for them to beg to the public, while people like you criticize Beth for making mods a transaction, giving profit to hard working mod creators.

Are you trying to make me feel better knowing people like you will put me on ignore? You shouldn't have.

I love the idea of paying for different color horse armor. Should be a game changer and industry standard at this point.
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LIsJustice posted...

I love the idea of paying for different color horse armor. Should be a game changer and industry standard at this point.

It's brilliant

5 dollars for one gun

GIMME THAT RESKINNED PIPE GUN PLS
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OEIO999 posted...

Axiom posted...

It's almost like Bethesda has made a conscious decision to become the new EA

If they released Fallout and TES more frequently, we'd all be rejoycing.

Not if they keep making it like Dogshit 4. And lost interest in Skyrim super quick.
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I bought Horse customization DLC's for Samurai Warriors 4, elevated my gaming experience by 100%. At the end of the day, that's what matters right. Your experience?

DarthAragorn posted...

LIsJustice posted...

I love the idea of paying for different color horse armor. Should be a game changer and industry standard at this point.

It's brilliant

5 dollars for one gun

GIMME THAT RESKINNED PIPE GUN PLS

For comparison:

>Fallout New Vegas: Gun Runner's Arsenal

- 26 new weapons (not counting the 12 vanilla weapons amended to accept the new mods)
- 40 new weapon mods
- 27 new ammo types
- 1 new perk
- $3.99 release price


>Fallout 4 Creation Club

- a single gun
- $4
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Oh yeah, thanks for reminding everyone Obsidian made people pay for mods in NV. Nevermind the entire game, which is just a full priced expansion pack for Fallout 3.

No
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Dragon Age Awakening was a better expansion pack/'sequel' to Dragon Age Origins, than NV was a sequel to Fallout 3. At a portion of the price too. SAD.

OEIO999 posted...

Oh yeah, thanks for reminding everyone Obsidian made people pay for mods in NV. Nevermind the entire game, which is just a full priced expansion pack for Fallout 3.

DarthAragorn posted...

Lmao

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