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Vlado
09/12/17 12:54:34 PM
#354:


Kenri posted...
"Arrested for a crime I didn't even commit! Attempted murder, now what is that really? Do they give a Nobel prize for attempted chemistry?!"

That's an even more worthless example. If you've attempted to murder someone, you've taken actual action. Thinking about murdering someone is not a crime.

Peace___Frog posted...
You make the purchase

And nothing of the sort happened with Don Jr., as not only did he not "purchase" anything, the "item" he was trying to "purchase" never even existed. His "crime," according to the marxists here, is "thinking he was meeting a real Russian government official." That's not a real crime in the real world.
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Peace___Frog
09/12/17 12:57:07 PM
#355:


He made the purchase, but the seller and their goods supposedly were not what he thought they were.

You're bad at analogies.
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Jakyl25
09/12/17 12:57:21 PM
#356:


Vlado posted...
Kenri posted...
"Wow why am I being arrested for trying to buy thirty pounds of cocaine? I haven't even bought it yet!!! This is a thought crime."

Except in this case, the cocaine never existed, so you don't get arrested.


That's still a crime dude

Cops set up stings like this a lot!
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Vlado
09/12/17 1:02:13 PM
#357:


Again, the potential problem is failing to mention meeting a foreign government official in those forms. If you thought you were meeting one, but then found out they weren't one, that's not a case you are legally bound to include in the forms.
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Jakyl25
09/12/17 1:17:18 PM
#358:


But you still have no proof that she isn't
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Vlado
09/12/17 1:21:53 PM
#359:


Jakyl25 posted...
But you still have no proof that she isn't

Classical marxist thinking. Burden of proof is on the accuser, genius.
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LapisLazuli
09/12/17 1:27:51 PM
#360:


Fake drug drops where you arrest people after tricking them into thinking they're there to buy drugs is a STAPLE of the American police force. Like, it's actually a problem that we do arrest so many people for attempting to buy things that didn't actually exist. This is a rare stance where the reality is more conservative but Vlado is opting for a false liberal narrative.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
09/12/17 1:28:34 PM
#361:


Vlado posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
But you still have no proof that she isn't

Classical marxist thinking. Burden of proof is on the accuser, genius.


So prove that globalists exist.
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CelesMyUserName
09/12/17 1:29:28 PM
#362:


"My dad has so many business dealings with Russians, it would look bad to release taxes"
"We got nothing to do with the Russians!"
"Well yeah we had a meeting with them but it was about adoption and my dad had nothing to do with it"
"Oh my dad just advised me to say that like any loving father would"
"Sure the meeting was actually about getting dirt on Clinton but we didn't actually get anything!"

yeah this isn't a lying scumbag politician at all vlado, we can trust him despite the timing of trump announcing coming clinton dirt immediately after the meeting was planned, and clinton dirt subsequently being published

to think all the conspiracy theories Vlado is so eager to follow but he has absolutely zero skeptical intuition on what's right in front of his face
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Jakyl25
09/12/17 1:40:40 PM
#363:


Vlado posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
But you still have no proof that she isn't

Classical marxist thinking. Burden of proof is on the accuser, genius.


She had been a government agent in the past, and she still presented herself as one.

That's proof enough to be necessary on a foreign operative meetings disclosure form
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Vlado
09/12/17 2:37:51 PM
#364:


Jakyl25 posted...
She had been a government agent in the past, and she still presented herself as one.

That's proof enough to be necessary on a foreign operative meetings disclosure form

Wrong (what does "government agent" even mean? She was not a "government official" in any case), and wrong (baseless assumption on your part). And even if that was true, having found out that she wasn't actually a government official means that nothing of the sort should be put on the forms.

CelesMyUserName posted...
"My dad has so many business dealings with Russians, it would look bad to release taxes"
"We got nothing to do with the Russians!"
"Well yeah we had a meeting with them but it was about adoption and my dad had nothing to do with it"
"Oh my dad just advised me to say that like any loving father would"
"Sure the meeting was actually about getting dirt on Clinton but we didn't actually get anything!"

yeah this isn't a lying scumbag politician at all vlado, we can trust him despite the timing of trump announcing coming clinton dirt immediately after the meeting was planned, and clinton dirt subsequently being published

to think all the conspiracy theories Vlado is so eager to follow but he has absolutely zero skeptical intuition on what's right in front of his face

Putting all these details aside, your entire premise - that restoring good relations with Russia is somehow a bad thing, is an unquestionably stupid and dangerous one.
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Peace___Frog
09/12/17 2:40:22 PM
#365:


Vlado posted...
your entire premise - that restoring good relations with Russia is somehow a bad thing


I fail to see where this is his stated premise; please prove it to be so (without hand waving over actions with dubious legality).
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Vlado
09/12/17 2:42:23 PM
#366:


Peace___Frog posted...
I fail to see where this is his stated premise; please prove it to be so (without hand waving over actions with dubious legality).

What does "dubious legality" even mean? Either it's legal, or illegal. In Don Jr.'s case - legal.

And what do you think this entire "MUH RUSSIA" narrative is built on? That Russia is somehow the enemy that must be opposed and fought at all costs. It's the enemy alright... The enemy to globalism. Which is also US's enemy - something Trump stated clearly, and it got him elected.

Thank goodness the American people gave clinton the boot. Would've been in nuclear winter by now.
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Jakyl25
09/12/17 2:43:03 PM
#367:


Vlado posted...
what does "government agent" even mean?


It means you were employed by the government in an official capacity
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Peace___Frog
09/12/17 2:43:03 PM
#368:


Vlado posted...
Either it's legal, or illegal

wow you really are way out of your element here, dude
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Vlado
09/12/17 2:44:34 PM
#369:


Jakyl25 posted...
Vlado posted...
what does "government agent" even mean?


It means you were employed by the government in an official capacity

That still doesn't make you a government official. Some software company creating software for the government doesn't make its employees government officials.
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Jakyl25
09/12/17 2:44:54 PM
#370:


Vlado posted...
And what do you think this entire "MUH RUSSIA" narrative is built on? That Russia is somehow the enemy that must be opposed and fought at all costs.


Russia is an enemy of freedom though. They aggressively seek to impose their will on other nations via subterfuge and sometimes overt force.
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Jakyl25
09/12/17 2:46:00 PM
#371:


Vlado posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Vlado posted...
what does "government agent" even mean?


It means you were employed by the government in an official capacity

That still doesn't make you a government official. Some software company creating software for the government doesn't make its employees government officials.


If you meet with that software company you should probably disclose it
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Vlado
09/12/17 2:46:02 PM
#372:


Jakyl25 posted...
Russia is an enemy of freedom though. They aggressively seek to impose their will on other nations via subterfuge and sometimes overt force.

Imagine actually believing that... lmfao

And here I thought only 50+ people still bought the mass media lies.

Jakyl25 posted...
If you meet with that software company you should probably disclose it

lol
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Peace___Frog
09/12/17 2:48:34 PM
#373:


Just because your morals don't align with laws of a country that is not yours does not mean that the laws are any less valid, you globalist shill.
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Not_an_Owl
09/12/17 2:48:36 PM
#374:


Vlado posted...
Putting all these details aside, your entire premise - that restoring good relations with Russia is somehow a bad thing, is an unquestionably stupid and dangerous one.

I get that you wouldn't understand this (given that Bulgaria hasn't been internationally relevant since the collapse of the Soviet Union), but you generally aren't friends with nations whose foreign policy goals diametrically oppose your own.
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Jakyl25
09/12/17 2:53:38 PM
#375:


Vlado posted...
lol


Do you have a counter-argument?

If Russia has hired a company to specifically make a unique operating system for their government, and then you are a US Presidential candidate campaign staff and you scheduled a meeting with that company for some reason, you need to disclose it. This isn't "lol" stuff. This is how the real world operates.
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Vlado
09/12/17 2:55:19 PM
#376:


Not_an_Owl posted...
I get that you wouldn't understand this (given that Bulgaria hasn't been internationally relevant since the collapse of the Soviet Union), but you generally aren't friends with nations whose foreign policy goals diametrically oppose your own.

Except US goals != globalist goals. US goals are for US to prosper, as Trump has described countless times. Not for the deep state and international banking to prosper. That makes US poorer and eventually destroys the country.

Jakyl25 posted...
Do you have a counter-argument?

If Russia has hired a company to specifically make a unique operating system for their government, and then you are a US Presidential candidate campaign staff and you scheduled a meeting with that company for some reason, you need to disclose it. This isn't "lol" stuff. This is how the real world operates.

lmfao, imagine actually expecting a US election campaign member to know all the companies that have ever done projects for every foreign government.
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Peace___Frog
09/12/17 2:56:46 PM
#377:


Prove to me how the US prospers by allowing a hostile foreign entity to walk all over it.
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Not_an_Owl
09/12/17 2:56:55 PM
#378:


Vlado posted...
Not_an_Owl posted...
I get that you wouldn't understand this (given that Bulgaria hasn't been internationally relevant since the collapse of the Soviet Union), but you generally aren't friends with nations whose foreign policy goals diametrically oppose your own.

Except US goals != globalist goals. US goals are for US to prosper, as Trump has described countless times. Not for the deep state and international banking to prosper. That makes US poorer and eventually destroys the country.

It must be exhausting to see boogiemen everywhere you look.
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Jakyl25
09/12/17 2:58:21 PM
#379:


If you expect to be an official within the administration, as Kushner is, you better know the history of everyone you've met with for political purposes

If you met with that software company OUTSIDE of politics, sure
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Vlado
09/12/17 2:58:45 PM
#380:


Peace___Frog posted...
Prove to me how the US prospers by allowing a hostile foreign entity to walk all over it.

Last I checked, Russia wasn't building military bases around or anywhere near US territory or otherwise threatening it in any way. To act like Russia is somehow "hostile" when the opposite is the case is denial of the highest order.
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Jakyl25
09/12/17 2:59:26 PM
#381:


Vlado posted...
Except US goals != globalist goals. US goals are for US to prosper, as Trump has described countless times. Not for the deep state and international banking to prosper. That makes US poorer and eventually destroys the country.


Trump just doubled down on Afghanistan BTW
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Vlado
09/12/17 2:59:47 PM
#382:


Jakyl25 posted...
If you expect to be an official within the administration, as Kushner is, you better know the history of everyone you've met with for political purposes

If you met with that software company OUTSIDE of politics, sure

The point is that the software company IS NOT A GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL. So you don't need to know its history.
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Jakyl25
09/12/17 3:00:02 PM
#383:


Vlado posted...
Last I checked, Russia wasn't building military bases around or anywhere near US territory or otherwise threatening it in any way.


Do NATO allies not count?
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Vlado
09/12/17 3:00:05 PM
#384:


Jakyl25 posted...
Trump just doubled down on Afghanistan BTW

Against his will.

Jakyl25 posted...
Vlado posted...
Last I checked, Russia wasn't building military bases around or anywhere near US territory or otherwise threatening it in any way.


Do NATO allies not count?

lmao, so if you devour a country bordering Russia into NATO that means Russia is being aggressive because they have military within their own borders? You are beyond lost.
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Peace___Frog
09/12/17 3:00:21 PM
#385:


So you're saying that Russia is letting the US do all these hostile things and they're not retaliating in any way, shape, or form?

You really need to leave the basement some time.
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Not_an_Owl
09/12/17 3:00:51 PM
#386:


Vlado posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Trump just doubled down on Afghanistan BTW

Against his will.

[citation needed]
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Jakyl25
09/12/17 3:01:17 PM
#387:


Vlado posted...
The point is that the software company IS NOT A GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL. So you don't need to know its history.


You certainly do need to know if they ever were at any point!

I don't get how this is so hard.
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Vlado
09/12/17 3:01:56 PM
#388:


Peace___Frog posted...
So you're saying that Russia is letting the US do all these hostile things and they're not retaliating in any way, shape, or form?

You really need to leave the basement some time.

They are building up their defences. That's not "aggresive," that's what any intelligent country would do.

You should watch Stone's Putin Interviews.

Jakyl25 posted...
Vlado posted...
The point is that the software company IS NOT A GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL. So you don't need to know its history.


You certainly do need to know if they ever were at any point!

I don't get how this is so hard.

They never were. Working on a project for the government doesn't make you a government official even for the duration of the project. You are still an outside entity.
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Jakyl25
09/12/17 3:02:08 PM
#389:


Vlado posted...
Against his will.


What would happen if he didn't?
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Peace___Frog
09/12/17 3:03:28 PM
#390:


Jakyl25 posted...
Vlado posted...
The point is that the software company IS NOT A GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL. So you don't need to know its history.


You certainly do need to know if they ever were at any point!

I don't get how this is so hard.

Vlado very strongly resents personal accountability.
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Vlado
09/12/17 3:04:06 PM
#391:


Jakyl25 posted...
Vlado posted...
Against his will.


What would happen if he didn't?

That would be fruitless speculation, so let's not waste time.

Fact remains increasing the presence in Afghanistan goes directly against the things Trump was talking about on the campaign, and attempted to do previously in office. It's also utterly useless, and only sending more people to die for globalism.

Trump did it as part of the struggle against the deep state, hoping it would let him achieve other goals he has in mind. Whether he'll succeed, we'll see.
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CelesMyUserName
09/12/17 3:04:10 PM
#392:


Vlado posted...
Putting all these details aside, your entire premise - that restoring good relations with Russia is somehow a bad thing, is an unquestionably stupid and dangerous one.

Uhhh no? My entire premises is that Don Jr. is a dumb lying fuck that you're obsessed with believing because you're already so dug in to defending the Trump family.
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Peace___Frog
09/12/17 3:05:41 PM
#393:


Peace___Frog posted...
Vlado posted...
your entire premise - that restoring good relations with Russia is somehow a bad thing


I fail to see where this is his stated premise; please prove it to be so (without hand waving over actions with dubious legality).

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Vlado
09/12/17 3:06:35 PM
#394:


CelesMyUserName posted...
Vlado posted...
Putting all these details aside, your entire premise - that restoring good relations with Russia is somehow a bad thing, is an unquestionably stupid and dangerous one.

Uhhh no? My entire premises is that Don Jr. is a dumb lying fuck that you're obsessed with believing because you're already so dug in to defending the Trump family.

Then whether your premise holds or not is of zero consequence to the world, so no need to even discuss this further with you.
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StealThisSheen
09/12/17 3:06:47 PM
#395:


It literally doesn't matter if she was a Russian agent or not if he THOUGHT she was

If a cop tells a wife that he's a hitman, and that wife meets with him to discuss killing her husband, it doesn't matter that the cop isn't a hitman or that the husband didn't get killed. The wife is still going to jail. It's still a crime.

Just admit you know nothing of US law.
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Vlado
09/12/17 3:08:12 PM
#396:


StealThisSheen posted...
It literally doesn't matter if she was a Russian agent or not if he THOUGHT she was

For the last time, thought crime is not a thing. Next.
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Peace___Frog
09/12/17 3:09:59 PM
#397:


StealThisSheen posted...
Just admit you know nothing of US law.

seriously, this is getting fucking embarrassing.


Vlado posted...
thought crime is not a thing

It can be, under specific circumstances. You really need to educate yourself more on this topic.
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Jakyl25
09/12/17 3:10:22 PM
#398:


Vlado posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Trump just doubled down on Afghanistan BTW

Against his will.

Jakyl25 posted...
Vlado posted...
Last I checked, Russia wasn't building military bases around or anywhere near US territory or otherwise threatening it in any way.


Do NATO allies not count?

lmao, so if you devour a country bordering Russia into NATO that means Russia is being aggressive because they have military within their own borders? You are beyond lost.


I'm not the one developing military bases in Syria near the Turkish border

If Putin thinks that's within his own borders, I think he's the one that's lost.
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StealThisSheen
09/12/17 3:10:31 PM
#399:


Vlado posted...
StealThisSheen posted...
It literally doesn't matter if she was a Russian agent or not if he THOUGHT she was

For the last time, thought crime is not a thing. Next.


Reply to the rest of my post, then, instead of just stopping there and putting your fingers in your ears.
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Jakyl25
09/12/17 3:11:42 PM
#400:


Vlado posted...
Trump did it as part of the struggle against the deep state, hoping it would let him achieve other goals he has in mind. Whether he'll succeed, we'll see.


Can you elaborate?
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CelesMyUserName
09/12/17 3:14:48 PM
#401:


Vlado posted...
CelesMyUserName posted...
Vlado posted...
Putting all these details aside, your entire premise - that restoring good relations with Russia is somehow a bad thing, is an unquestionably stupid and dangerous one.

Uhhh no? My entire premises is that Don Jr. is a dumb lying fuck that you're obsessed with believing because you're already so dug in to defending the Trump family.

Then whether your premise holds or not is of zero consequence to the world, so no need to even discuss this further with you.

I'm not trying to talk about something of consequence to the world? Literally nobody here is, it's a Vlado topic and what I'm saying is of consequence to Vlado - ie. you're a pawn.
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StealThisSheen
09/12/17 3:15:57 PM
#402:


Children literally know more about US Law than Vlado

It's actually quite funny
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Jakyl25
09/12/17 3:18:43 PM
#403:


Yeah but do children know more about the existential threat of George Soros?
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