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darkjedilink 08/28/17 4:27:21 PM #52:	The Admiral posted... s0nicfan posted... KarmaMuffin posted... I don't get why people who love guns jumped all over themselves to defend Zimmerman. IIRC what bothered people at the time of actual trial was less that Zimmerman was without fault and more that the media coverage overwhelmingly painted Zimmerman as this crazed supremacist that shot and killed an innocent child. I remember all the drama surrounding news sites using a years-old photo of Martin because everything on his social media was thuggish as shit. I think most people know at some point when they're being lied to, and they flocked to defend the guy they were being told was the "bad guy" in response to that. No doubt. CNN's early reports of this incident were "White-Hispanic man shoots black child dead; not even arrested" Once they got record ratings by lazily race baiting gullible suckers, it paved the way for the way they also exaggerated Mike Brown and Freddie Gray. One of the best things that's come about from a Trump presidency is that CNN has been completely delegitimized. And it's 100% deserved. Oh, it was worse than that - he was white for three months before his attorney said he's Hispanic, then he was 'a white man who identifies as Latino.' He's just as minority as Obama, but nobody ever called our former President 'a white man who identifies as black.' Race baiting at its finest. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:885607729] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KarmaMuffin posted...</cite> <quote>I don't get why people who love guns jumped all over themselves to defend Zimmerman. </quote> IIRC what bothered people at the time of actual trial was less that Zimmerman was without fault and more that the media coverage overwhelmingly painted Zimmerman as this crazed supremacist that shot and killed an innocent child. I remember all the drama surrounding news sites using a years-old photo of Martin because everything on his social media was thuggish as shit. I think most people know at some point when they're being lied to, and they flocked to defend the guy they were being told was the "bad guy" in response to that.</quote> No doubt. CNN's early reports of this incident were "White-Hispanic man shoots black child dead; not even arrested" Once they got record ratings by lazily race baiting gullible suckers, it paved the way for the way they also exaggerated Mike Brown and Freddie Gray. One of the best things that's come about from a Trump presidency is that CNN has been completely delegitimized. And it's 100% deserved.</quote> Oh, it was worse than that - he was white for three months before his attorney said he's Hispanic, then he was 'a white man who identifies as Latino.' He's just as minority as Obama, but nobody ever called our former President 'a white man who identifies as black.' Race baiting at its finest.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 08/28/17 4:27:27 PM #53:	Spooking posted... Didn't Trayvon managed to lose George at one point? For some reason - probably pride - Travyon went back to confront and to attack George. Yep. Map below. Trayvon made it to his house safely, then got all hopped up talking to his girlfriend and not wanting to feel like less of a man for letting a "creepy ass cracka" follow him (his exact words). He doubled back and confronted Zimmerman. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:885607738] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote><cite>Spooking posted...</cite> <quote>Didn't Trayvon managed to lose George at one point? For some reason - probably pride - Travyon went back to confront and to attack George.</quote> Yep. Map below. Trayvon made it to his house safely, then got all hopped up talking to his girlfriend and not wanting to feel like less of a man for letting a "creepy ass cracka" follow him (his exact words). He doubled back and confronted Zimmerman. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 08/28/17 4:28:39 PM #54:	s0nicfan posted... Lost_All_Senses posted... s0nicfan posted... Lost_All_Senses posted... So I can start freely killing white teenage posers? which is about 50% of them. Talking thug shit is not doing thug shit...ever heard of this thing called rap music? So are you just playing dumb, or do you not actually understand that the legitimacy of whether Zimmerman "felt threatened" is highly dependent on the look and attitude of the person threatening him? Yes, Im saying people shouldn't get killed over what they look like....wtf. And stop acting like you were there and not just putting your own twist on what "attitude" was considered in this scenario You realize the "you weren't there" argument also completely invalidates your ability to argue that Zimmerman was unjustified, right? Difference is they aren't saying what they think happened and why it's unjustified, which is what the people who say it was justified regularly do. In an indefinite situation, you have to go off of what likely did not happen as opposed to a clean cut hypothetical sequence of events. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:885607806] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lost_All_Senses posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lost_All_Senses posted...</cite> <quote> So I can start freely killing white teenage posers? which is about 50% of them. Talking thug shit is not doing thug shit...ever heard of this thing called rap music?</quote> So are you just playing dumb, or do you not actually understand that the legitimacy of whether Zimmerman "felt threatened" is highly dependent on the look and attitude of the person threatening him?</quote> Yes, Im saying people shouldn't get killed over what they look like....wtf. And stop acting like you were there and not just putting your own twist on what "attitude" was considered in this scenario</quote> You realize the "you weren't there" argument also completely invalidates your ability to argue that Zimmerman was unjustified, right?</quote> Difference is they aren't saying what they think happened and why it's unjustified, which is what the people who say it was justified regularly do. In an indefinite situation, you have to go off of what likely did not happen as opposed to a clean cut hypothetical sequence of events.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 08/28/17 4:30:21 PM #55:	KarmaMuffin posted... Because you're ignoring facts that go against your beliefs. Such as? Zimmerman was told to not follow him. Not true. Also not a crime Zimmerman had a history of issues involving violence with his wife. Alleged and not relevant. Zimmerman failed at becoming a cop. Not relevant. If Zimmerman hadn't declared himself as the ever watchful protector of the neighborhood and decided that Martin was suspicious, there would have been no deaths. And if Zimmerman's mom never had sex and became a nun there would have been no deaths. That's not how cause and effect works. The unrelated events that led to Zimmerman being in the spot where Trayvon tried to murder him do not justify the murder. To imply otherwise is literal insanity. The fact that you can't seem to grasp that Martin's death only happened because Zimmerman fancied himself a hero shows how much you struggle with simple logic. This is victim blaming. You're going "Yeah this guy tried to murder him, but if he wasn't in that spot when he tried to murder him, he wouldn't have been there to try to be murdered! therefore it's his fault!" That's simply nonsense and not good enough. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:885607916] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote><cite>KarmaMuffin posted...</cite> <quote> Because you're ignoring facts that go against your beliefs.</quote> Such as? <quote> Zimmerman was told to not follow him. </quote> Not true. Also not a crime <quote>Zimmerman had a history of issues involving violence with his wife. </quote> Alleged and not relevant. <quote>Zimmerman failed at becoming a cop.</quote> Not relevant. <quote>If Zimmerman hadn't declared himself as the ever watchful protector of the neighborhood and decided that Martin was suspicious, there would have been no deaths.</quote> And if Zimmerman's mom never had sex and became a nun there would have been no deaths. That's not how cause and effect works. The unrelated events that led to Zimmerman being in the spot where Trayvon tried to murder him do not justify the murder. To imply otherwise is literal insanity. <quote>The fact that you can't seem to grasp that Martin's death only happened because Zimmerman fancied himself a hero shows how much you struggle with simple logic.</quote> This is victim blaming. You're going "Yeah this guy tried to murder him, but if he wasn't in that spot when he tried to murder him, he wouldn't have been there to try to be murdered! therefore it's his fault!" That's simply nonsense and not good enough.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 08/28/17 4:31:02 PM #56:	Ammonitida posted... UnfairRepresent posted... KarmaMuffin posted... I don't get why people who love guns jumped all over themselves to defend Zimmerman. Probably because people tried to use him as a tool to ban guns. Yeah Martin was a sketchy individual, but Zimmerman was the one who instigated the situation. Claiming walking down a public street is instigating attempted murder is nonsense. By that logic Zimmerman's mother instigated the situation because she gave birth to Zimmerman. That's not how cause and effect works. Trayvon following, ambushed and attacking Zimmerman instigated the situation. The fact claim to believe otherwise is immensely disturbing. You cannot attack and attempt to murder someone because they walked down a public street This should be common sense 101. Small children should have no difficulty comprehending that, why do you struggle? Zimmerman provoked the whole thing. He followed/stalked him after wrongly profiling him as a burglar. We still don't know who struck first but given Zimmerman's demeanor at the time, I have no trouble believing that he attempted top grab the "criminal" only to end up getting his ass kicked. Martin's girlfriend testified that Martin struck first - he wad on the phone with her until after the gunshot that killed him, according to her testimony. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:885607945] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ammonitida posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KarmaMuffin posted...</cite> <quote>I don't get why people who love guns jumped all over themselves to defend Zimmerman.</quote> Probably because people tried to use him as a tool to ban guns. <quote>Yeah Martin was a sketchy individual, but Zimmerman was the one who instigated the situation.</quote> Claiming walking down a public street is instigating attempted murder is nonsense. By that logic Zimmerman's mother instigated the situation because she gave birth to Zimmerman. That's not how cause and effect works. Trayvon following, ambushed and attacking Zimmerman instigated the situation. The fact claim to believe otherwise is immensely disturbing. You cannot attack and attempt to murder someone because they walked down a public street This should be common sense 101. Small children should have no difficulty comprehending that, why do you struggle?</quote> Zimmerman provoked the whole thing. He followed/stalked him after wrongly profiling him as a burglar. We still don't know who struck first but given Zimmerman's demeanor at the time, I have no trouble believing that he attempted top grab the "criminal" only to end up getting his ass kicked.</quote> Martin's girlfriend testified that Martin struck first - he wad on the phone with her until after the gunshot that killed him, according to her testimony.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 08/28/17 4:32:18 PM #57:	Kineth posted... Difference is they aren't saying what they think happened and why it's unjustified, which is what the people who say it was justified regularly do. In an indefinite situation, you have to go off of what likely did not happen as opposed to a clean cut hypothetical sequence of events. And what "likely did not happen" since we're apparently arguing that the court case, judge, and jury's opinion of the events is wrong in favor of what the media wants us to think? --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:885608022] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>Difference is they aren't saying what they think happened and why it's unjustified, which is what the people who say it was justified regularly do. In an indefinite situation, you have to go off of what likely did not happen as opposed to a clean cut hypothetical sequence of events.</quote> And what "likely did not happen" since we're apparently arguing that the court case, judge, and jury's opinion of the events is wrong in favor of what the media wants us to think?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gamepimp12 08/28/17 4:33:05 PM #58:	I'm just gonna say, had that been a man following a woman people wouldn't act like someone obviously following you home isn't an act of aggression Certain people on CE act like the only act of aggression is to physically harm someone. --- we rich now but used to be slaves,we pushing whips now we used to be whipped,rockin chains when we used to be in 'em <cite>gamepimp12 posted [p:885608066] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote>I'm just gonna say, had that been a man following a woman people wouldn't act like someone obviously following you home isn't an act of aggression Certain people on CE act like the only act of aggression is to physically harm someone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 08/28/17 4:36:18 PM #59:	gamepimp12 posted... I'm just gonna say, had that been a man following a woman people wouldn't act like someone obviously following you home isn't an act of aggression Probably not true. And absolutely not a good thing even if you pretend it is true. darkjedilink posted... Martin's girlfriend testified that Martin struck first - he wad on the phone with her until after the gunshot that killed him, according to her testimony. On top of that, it's consistent with every police and witness account, Zimmerman's account and all the forensic evidence to hand. Meanwhile there is literally no evidence whatsoever that Zimmerman landed a hand on Trayvon or even attempted to. We have more evidence that Trayvon struck first than we have evidence that Jesus and Julias Ceaser existed. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:885608260] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote><cite>gamepimp12 posted...</cite> <quote>I'm just gonna say, had that been a man following a woman people wouldn't act like someone obviously following you home isn't an act of aggression</quote> Probably not true. And absolutely not a good thing even if you pretend it is true. <cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote> Martin's girlfriend testified that Martin struck first - he wad on the phone with her until after the gunshot that killed him, according to her testimony.</quote> On top of that, it's consistent with every police and witness account, Zimmerman's account and all the forensic evidence to hand. Meanwhile there is literally no evidence whatsoever that Zimmerman landed a hand on Trayvon or even attempted to. We have more evidence that Trayvon struck first than we have evidence that Jesus and Julias Ceaser existed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 08/28/17 4:37:44 PM #60:	s0nicfan posted... Kineth posted... Difference is they aren't saying what they think happened and why it's unjustified, which is what the people who say it was justified regularly do. In an indefinite situation, you have to go off of what likely did not happen as opposed to a clean cut hypothetical sequence of events. And what "likely did not happen" since we're apparently arguing that the court case, judge, and jury's opinion of the events is wrong in favor of what the media wants us to think? Excuse me, I did not mean to say "likely did not happen", I meant, all the scenarios that were likely to happen. People who think it's justified seem to think there was only one likely scenario that unfolded. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:885608336] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>Difference is they aren't saying what they think happened and why it's unjustified, which is what the people who say it was justified regularly do. In an indefinite situation, you have to go off of what likely did not happen as opposed to a clean cut hypothetical sequence of events.</quote> And what "likely did not happen" since we're apparently arguing that the court case, judge, and jury's opinion of the events is wrong in favor of what the media wants us to think?</quote> Excuse me, I did not mean to say "likely did not happen", I meant, all the scenarios that were likely to happen. People who think it's justified seem to think there was only one likely scenario that unfolded.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 08/28/17 4:40:45 PM #62:	gamepimp12 posted... I'm just gonna say, had that been a man following a woman people wouldn't act like someone obviously following you home isn't an act of aggression Certain people on CE act like the only act of aggression is to physically harm someone. Except forensic evidence and eyewitness accounts prove that Zimmerman didn't follow Martin home. He followed him for a half a block. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:885608526] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote><cite>gamepimp12 posted...</cite> <quote>I'm just gonna say, had that been a man following a woman people wouldn't act like someone obviously following you home isn't an act of aggression Certain people on CE act like the only act of aggression is to physically harm someone.</quote> Except forensic evidence and eyewitness accounts prove that Zimmerman didn't follow Martin home. He followed him for a half a block.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 08/28/17 4:43:22 PM #63:	Ammonitida posted... No we do not. We do know that Zimmerman went after Martin after profiling him as a criminal. That much is clear from the call. "Went after" is a stupid statement. The fact is he walked down a public street. Ammonitida posted... We also know that at some point Martin confronted him, and a fight ensued resulting in Martin's death. There's a witness who only saw a portion of that fight. Not how it started. It's not far-fetched to say that Zimmerman attempted to apprehend Martin given these circumstances. Actually yes it is, because we have overwhelming evidence. Witness who saw some of the fight, girlfriend on the phone, witnesses who saw the aftermath of the fight, the forenisc evidence of the wounds on Zimmerman + Trayvon. The police account, Zimmerman's account. There is so much evidence that had Trayvon have not died, he would have almost certainly got put away for attempted murder. It was so overwhelming that the police literally dropped the case because it was cut and dry. You're entire argument is "All the facts I don't like didn't occur, let's just pretend what I want to happen occured." Can't you see how disturbing that is and how dangerous it is that you and presumably others think that's an okay standard of thinking to hold? How would you feel if society did that to you in your life? If you paid your bills and the company just said "No you didn't, pay again." and ignored all the evidence. If some guy kicked you in the balls and stole your stuff and then just said "Yeah but what If I didn't do that and instead you stole my car!" You can't do that. It makes 1984 look reasonable. Even in 1984 they didn't try to make such stupid claims. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:885608670] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ammonitida posted...</cite> <quote> No we do not. We do know that Zimmerman went after Martin after profiling him as a criminal. That much is clear from the call. </quote> "Went after" is a stupid statement. The fact is he walked down a public street. <cite>Ammonitida posted...</cite> <quote> We also know that at some point Martin confronted him, and a fight ensued resulting in Martin's death. There's a witness who only saw a portion of that fight. Not how it started. It's not far-fetched to say that Zimmerman attempted to apprehend Martin given these circumstances.</quote> Actually yes it is, because we have overwhelming evidence. Witness who saw some of the fight, girlfriend on the phone, witnesses who saw the aftermath of the fight, the forenisc evidence of the wounds on Zimmerman + Trayvon. The police account, Zimmerman's account. There is so much evidence that had Trayvon have not died, he would have almost certainly got put away for attempted murder. It was so overwhelming that the police literally dropped the case because it was cut and dry. You're entire argument is "All the facts I don't like didn't occur, let's just pretend what I want to happen occured." Can't you see how disturbing that is and how dangerous it is that you and presumably others think that's an okay standard of thinking to hold? How would you feel if society did that to you in your life? If you paid your bills and the company just said "No you didn't, pay again." and ignored all the evidence. If some guy kicked you in the balls and stole your stuff and then just said "Yeah but what If I didn't do that and instead you stole my car!" You can't do that. It makes 1984 look reasonable. Even in 1984 they didn't try to make such stupid claims.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 08/28/17 4:43:53 PM #64:	Kineth posted... People who think it's justified seem to think there was only one likely scenario that unfolded. There is. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:885608703] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote> People who think it's justified seem to think there was only one likely scenario that unfolded.</quote> There is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BeantownHero 08/28/17 4:44:41 PM #65:	Remember that time you went to the corner store for junk food and on your way back, decide to assault a guy bigger than you for no reason? Anyone who thinks Zimmerman was innocent simply doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. Find people more more of your finite energy to debate with --- nothing is a greater tell of an awful human than using "social justice warrior" as a pejorative. without exception.- Bomani Jones <cite>BeantownHero posted [p:885608741] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote>Remember that time you went to the corner store for junk food and on your way back, decide to assault a guy bigger than you for no reason? Anyone who thinks Zimmerman was innocent simply doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. Find people more more of your finite energy to debate with</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 08/28/17 4:44:52 PM #66:	lotta hupasta in this topic. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:885608750] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote>lotta hupasta in this topic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gamepimp12 08/28/17 4:45:28 PM #67:	So you're saying hypothically a woman who notices a man is following her home and confronts him for it Is wrong both morally and legally ? (Obviously what you should do is call the police when ever anyone's following you, but let's not act like acts of aggression don't deserve responses) --- we rich now but used to be slaves,we pushing whips now we used to be whipped,rockin chains when we used to be in 'em <cite>gamepimp12 posted [p:885608792] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote>So you're saying hypothically a woman who notices a man is following her home and confronts him for it Is wrong both morally and legally ? (Obviously what you should do is call the police when ever anyone's following you, but let's not act like acts of aggression don't deserve responses)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 08/28/17 4:45:56 PM #68:	BeantownHero posted... Remember that time you went to the corner store for junk food and on your way back, decide to assault a guy bigger than you for no reason? Anyone who thinks Zimmerman was innocent simply doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. So the entire western legal system and self-defense laws don't deserve to be taken seriously? That's sure as shit disturbing. What was Zimmerman guilty of then? --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:885608820] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote><cite>BeantownHero posted...</cite> <quote>Remember that time you went to the corner store for junk food and on your way back, decide to assault a guy bigger than you for no reason? Anyone who thinks Zimmerman was innocent simply doesn't deserve to be taken seriously.</quote> So the entire western legal system and self-defense laws don't deserve to be taken seriously? That's sure as shit disturbing. What was Zimmerman guilty of then?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 08/28/17 4:47:17 PM #69:	BeantownHero posted... Remember that time you went to the corner store for junk food and on your way back, decide to assault a guy bigger than you for no reason? Anyone who thinks Zimmerman was innocent simply doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. Find people more more of your finite energy to debate with Anyone who makes posts like this got duped by race baiting articles, made up their mind based on bullshit reports, and ignored literally all the evidence from the trial. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:885608909] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote><cite>BeantownHero posted...</cite> <quote>Remember that time you went to the corner store for junk food and on your way back, decide to assault a guy bigger than you for no reason? Anyone who thinks Zimmerman was innocent simply doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. Find people more more of your finite energy to debate with</quote> Anyone who makes posts like this got duped by race baiting articles, made up their mind based on bullshit reports, and ignored literally all the evidence from the trial.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ammonitida 08/28/17 4:48:10 PM #70:	darkjedilink posted... Ammonitida posted... UnfairRepresent posted... KarmaMuffin posted... I don't get why people who love guns jumped all over themselves to defend Zimmerman. Probably because people tried to use him as a tool to ban guns. Yeah Martin was a sketchy individual, but Zimmerman was the one who instigated the situation. Claiming walking down a public street is instigating attempted murder is nonsense. By that logic Zimmerman's mother instigated the situation because she gave birth to Zimmerman. That's not how cause and effect works. Trayvon following, ambushed and attacking Zimmerman instigated the situation. The fact claim to believe otherwise is immensely disturbing. You cannot attack and attempt to murder someone because they walked down a public street This should be common sense 101. Small children should have no difficulty comprehending that, why do you struggle? Zimmerman provoked the whole thing. He followed/stalked him after wrongly profiling him as a burglar. We still don't know who struck first but given Zimmerman's demeanor at the time, I have no trouble believing that he attempted top grab the "criminal" only to end up getting his ass kicked. Martin's girlfriend testified that Martin struck first - he wad on the phone with her until after the gunshot that killed him, according to her testimony. http://nypost.com/2013/06/27/girlfriend-testifies-about-phone-call-from-trayvon-martin-before-his-slaying/ <cite>Ammonitida posted [p:885608970] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ammonitida posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KarmaMuffin posted...</cite> <quote>I don't get why people who love guns jumped all over themselves to defend Zimmerman.</quote> Probably because people tried to use him as a tool to ban guns. <quote>Yeah Martin was a sketchy individual, but Zimmerman was the one who instigated the situation.</quote> Claiming walking down a public street is instigating attempted murder is nonsense. By that logic Zimmerman's mother instigated the situation because she gave birth to Zimmerman. That's not how cause and effect works. Trayvon following, ambushed and attacking Zimmerman instigated the situation. The fact claim to believe otherwise is immensely disturbing. You cannot attack and attempt to murder someone because they walked down a public street This should be common sense 101. Small children should have no difficulty comprehending that, why do you struggle?</quote> Zimmerman provoked the whole thing. He followed/stalked him after wrongly profiling him as a burglar. We still don't know who struck first but given Zimmerman's demeanor at the time, I have no trouble believing that he attempted top grab the "criminal" only to end up getting his ass kicked.</quote> Martin's girlfriend testified that Martin struck first - he wad on the phone with her until after the gunshot that killed him, according to her testimony.</quote> http://nypost.com/2013/06/27/girlfriend-testifies-about-phone-call-from-trayvon-martin-before-his-slaying/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 08/28/17 4:48:30 PM #71:	gamepimp12 posted... So you're saying hypothically a woman who notices a man is following her home and confronts him for it Is wrong morally and legally? You're being intellectually dishonest. WTF does "confront him" mean? But if a woman sees a man walking down a public street, then loses sight of him, goes home, turns around, follows him, hides, ambushes him and then attempts to murder him. Yes that is wrong morally and legally. Again, should be common sense. Again a small child understands that. In fact I believe you could probably explain that to a dog. Why are you less intelligent or at least honest than small children or potentially dogs? --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:885608986] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote><cite>gamepimp12 posted...</cite> <quote>So you're saying hypothically a woman who notices a man is following her home and confronts him for it Is wrong morally and legally?</quote> You're being intellectually dishonest. WTF does "confront him" mean? But if a woman sees a man walking down a public street, then loses sight of him, goes home, turns around, follows him, hides, ambushes him and then attempts to murder him. Yes that is wrong morally and legally. Again, should be common sense. Again a small child understands that. In fact I believe you could probably explain that to a dog. Why are you less intelligent or at least honest than small children or potentially dogs?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DyingPancake 08/28/17 4:49:58 PM #72:	BeantownHero posted... Remember that time you went to the corner store for junk food and on your way back, decide to assault a guy bigger than you for no reason? Anyone who thinks Zimmerman was innocent simply doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. Find people more more of your finite energy to debate with Whats funny is you (or anyone else) in this topic can't defend your reasons against Zimmerman other than "feelings" If the people defending him are basically idiots to you then why is it so hard to actually debate them? --- Under a cold October sky, I wait I had ice cream with I Like Toast! <cite>DyingPancake posted [p:885609079] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote><cite>BeantownHero posted...</cite> <quote>Remember that time you went to the corner store for junk food and on your way back, decide to assault a guy bigger than you for no reason? Anyone who thinks Zimmerman was innocent simply doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. Find people more more of your finite energy to debate with</quote> Whats funny is you (or anyone else) in this topic can't defend your reasons against Zimmerman other than "feelings" If the people defending him are basically idiots to you then why is it so hard to actually debate them?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gamepimp12 08/28/17 4:50:56 PM #73:	darkjedilink posted... gamepimp12 posted... I'm just gonna say, had that been a man following a woman people wouldn't act like someone obviously following you home isn't an act of aggression Certain people on CE act like the only act of aggression is to physically harm someone. Except forensic evidence and eyewitness accounts prove that Zimmerman didn't follow Martin home. He followed him for a half a block. And Trayvon was less than 100 m from his house sooooo --- we rich now but used to be slaves,we pushing whips now we used to be whipped,rockin chains when we used to be in 'em <cite>gamepimp12 posted [p:885609137] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gamepimp12 posted...</cite> <quote>I'm just gonna say, had that been a man following a woman people wouldn't act like someone obviously following you home isn't an act of aggression Certain people on CE act like the only act of aggression is to physically harm someone.</quote> Except forensic evidence and eyewitness accounts prove that Zimmerman didn't follow Martin home. He followed him for a half a block.</quote> And Trayvon was less than 100 m from his house sooooo</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BeantownHero 08/28/17 4:50:59 PM #74:	The Admiral posted... BeantownHero posted... Remember that time you went to the corner store for junk food and on your way back, decide to assault a guy bigger than you for no reason? Anyone who thinks Zimmerman was innocent simply doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. Find people more more of your finite energy to debate with Anyone who makes posts like this got duped by race baiting articles, made up their mind based on bullshit reports, and ignored literally all the evidence from the trial. Meh. You've longed since disqualified yourself from being taken seriously in these discussions. --- nothing is a greater tell of an awful human than using "social justice warrior" as a pejorative. without exception.- Bomani Jones <cite>BeantownHero posted [p:885609144] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BeantownHero posted...</cite> <quote>Remember that time you went to the corner store for junk food and on your way back, decide to assault a guy bigger than you for no reason? Anyone who thinks Zimmerman was innocent simply doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. Find people more more of your finite energy to debate with</quote> Anyone who makes posts like this got duped by race baiting articles, made up their mind based on bullshit reports, and ignored literally all the evidence from the trial.</quote> Meh. You've longed since disqualified yourself from being taken seriously in these discussions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BeantownHero 08/28/17 4:52:57 PM #75:	DyingPancake posted... BeantownHero posted... Remember that time you went to the corner store for junk food and on your way back, decide to assault a guy bigger than you for no reason? Anyone who thinks Zimmerman was innocent simply doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. Find people more more of your finite energy to debate with Whats funny is you (or anyone else) in this topic can't defend your reasons against Zimmerman other than "feelings" If the people defending him are basically idiots to you then why is it so hard to actually debate them? You seem to be under the impression we're obligated to oblige you. Sorry, not sorry. --- nothing is a greater tell of an awful human than using "social justice warrior" as a pejorative. without exception.- Bomani Jones <cite>BeantownHero posted [p:885609279] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BeantownHero posted...</cite> <quote>Remember that time you went to the corner store for junk food and on your way back, decide to assault a guy bigger than you for no reason? Anyone who thinks Zimmerman was innocent simply doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. Find people more more of your finite energy to debate with</quote> Whats funny is you (or anyone else) in this topic can't defend your reasons against Zimmerman other than "feelings" If the people defending him are basically idiots to you then why is it so hard to actually debate them?</quote> You seem to be under the impression we're obligated to oblige you. Sorry, not sorry.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 08/28/17 4:54:10 PM #76:	BeantownHero posted... Meh. You've longed since disqualified yourself from being taken seriously in these discussions. And yet even The Admiral is being more intelligent and logical than you are. That says it all. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:885609344] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote><cite>BeantownHero posted...</cite> <quote> Meh. You've longed since disqualified yourself from being taken seriously in these discussions.</quote> And yet even The Admiral is being more intelligent and logical than you are. That says it all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 08/28/17 4:54:54 PM #77:	BeantownHero posted... The Admiral posted... BeantownHero posted... Remember that time you went to the corner store for junk food and on your way back, decide to assault a guy bigger than you for no reason? Anyone who thinks Zimmerman was innocent simply doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. Find people more more of your finite energy to debate with Anyone who makes posts like this got duped by race baiting articles, made up their mind based on bullshit reports, and ignored literally all the evidence from the trial. Meh. You've longed since disqualified yourself from being taken seriously in these discussions. Can't bitch about anyone else being disqualified when you flagrantly embrace ignorance and refuse to educate yourself using the easily accessible transcripts from the court trial. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:885609385] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote><cite>BeantownHero posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BeantownHero posted...</cite> <quote>Remember that time you went to the corner store for junk food and on your way back, decide to assault a guy bigger than you for no reason? Anyone who thinks Zimmerman was innocent simply doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. Find people more more of your finite energy to debate with</quote> Anyone who makes posts like this got duped by race baiting articles, made up their mind based on bullshit reports, and ignored literally all the evidence from the trial.</quote> Meh. You've longed since disqualified yourself from being taken seriously in these discussions.</quote> Can't bitch about anyone else being disqualified when you flagrantly embrace ignorance and refuse to educate yourself using the easily accessible transcripts from the court trial.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gamepimp12 08/28/17 4:56:04 PM #78:	DyingPancake posted... BeantownHero posted... Remember that time you went to the corner store for junk food and on your way back, decide to assault a guy bigger than you for no reason? Anyone who thinks Zimmerman was innocent simply doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. Find people more more of your finite energy to debate with Whats funny is you (or anyone else) in this topic can't defend your reasons against Zimmerman other than "feelings" If the people defending him are basically idiots to you then why is it so hard to actually debate them? Because the key to their arguments is Zimmerman did nothing aggressive because they FEEL following someone isnt an act of aggression So you have to first argue following someone espically under racial pretense is wrong. The same reason they feel if you call someone a slur to their face and they punch you for it they're the person in the wrong not you. --- we rich now but used to be slaves,we pushing whips now we used to be whipped,rockin chains when we used to be in 'em <cite>gamepimp12 posted [p:885609447] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BeantownHero posted...</cite> <quote>Remember that time you went to the corner store for junk food and on your way back, decide to assault a guy bigger than you for no reason? Anyone who thinks Zimmerman was innocent simply doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. Find people more more of your finite energy to debate with</quote> Whats funny is you (or anyone else) in this topic can't defend your reasons against Zimmerman other than "feelings" If the people defending him are basically idiots to you then why is it so hard to actually debate them?</quote> Because the key to their arguments is Zimmerman did nothing aggressive because they FEEL following someone isnt an act of aggression So you have to first argue following someone espically under racial pretense is wrong. The same reason they feel if you call someone a slur to their face and they punch you for it they're the person in the wrong not you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 08/28/17 4:58:43 PM #79:	gamepimp12 posted... Because the key to their arguments is Zimmerman did nothing aggressive because they FEEL following someone isnt an act of aggression Legally it is not. And if you FEEEEEEEEEL walking down a public street is aggression then Trayvon was still the aggressive one because he followed Zimmerman regardless. A point you have ignored at least 3 times. gamepimp12 posted... The same reason they feel if you call someone a slur to their face and they punch you for it they're the person in the wrong not you. Punching someone in the face for insulting you is wrong. It's childish. It's also irrelevant to this topic --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:885609597] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote><cite>gamepimp12 posted...</cite> <quote> Because the key to their arguments is Zimmerman did nothing aggressive because they FEEL following someone isnt an act of aggression</quote> Legally it is not. And if you FEEEEEEEEEL walking down a public street is aggression then Trayvon was still the aggressive one because he followed Zimmerman regardless. A point you have ignored at least 3 times. <cite>gamepimp12 posted...</cite> <quote> The same reason they feel if you call someone a slur to their face and they punch you for it they're the person in the wrong not you.</quote> Punching someone in the face for insulting you is wrong. It's childish. It's also irrelevant to this topic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DyingPancake 08/28/17 5:01:24 PM #80:	gamepimp12 posted... DyingPancake posted... BeantownHero posted... Remember that time you went to the corner store for junk food and on your way back, decide to assault a guy bigger than you for no reason? Anyone who thinks Zimmerman was innocent simply doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. Find people more more of your finite energy to debate with Whats funny is you (or anyone else) in this topic can't defend your reasons against Zimmerman other than "feelings" If the people defending him are basically idiots to you then why is it so hard to actually debate them? Because the key to their arguments is Zimmerman did nothing aggressive because they FEEL following someone isnt an act of aggression So you have to first argue following someone espically under racial pretense is wrong. The same reason they feel if you call someone a slur to their face and they punch you for it they're the person in the wrong not you. I believe it was Unfair who already went over this exact scenario and no one could debate it --- Under a cold October sky, I wait I had ice cream with I Like Toast! <cite>DyingPancake posted [p:885609754] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote><cite>gamepimp12 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DyingPancake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BeantownHero posted...</cite> <quote>Remember that time you went to the corner store for junk food and on your way back, decide to assault a guy bigger than you for no reason? Anyone who thinks Zimmerman was innocent simply doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. Find people more more of your finite energy to debate with</quote> Whats funny is you (or anyone else) in this topic can't defend your reasons against Zimmerman other than "feelings" If the people defending him are basically idiots to you then why is it so hard to actually debate them?</quote> Because the key to their arguments is Zimmerman did nothing aggressive because they FEEL following someone isnt an act of aggression So you have to first argue following someone espically under racial pretense is wrong. The same reason they feel if you call someone a slur to their face and they punch you for it they're the person in the wrong not you.</quote> I believe it was Unfair who already went over this exact scenario and no one could debate it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gamepimp12 08/28/17 5:30:41 PM #81:	UnfairRepresent posted... gamepimp12 posted... Because the key to their arguments is Zimmerman did nothing aggressive because they FEEL following someone isnt an act of aggression Legally it is not. And if you FEEEEEEEEEL walking down a public street is aggression then Trayvon was still the aggressive one because he followed Zimmerman regardless. A point you have ignored at least 3 times. gamepimp12 posted... The same reason they feel if you call someone a slur to their face and they punch you for it they're the person in the wrong not you. Punching someone in the face for insulting you is wrong. It's childish. It's also irrelevant to this topic I wasn't necessarily referring to the law when I called following someone is an act of aggression it is in specific situations in certain states but I was speaking morally ..... Even if trayvon followed him after being followed he wasn't the first aggressor You know slurs aren't the typical insult, they're legally called fighting words for a reason. --- we rich now but used to be slaves,we pushing whips now we used to be whipped,rockin chains when we used to be in 'em <cite>gamepimp12 posted [p:885611280] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gamepimp12 posted...</cite> <quote> Because the key to their arguments is Zimmerman did nothing aggressive because they FEEL following someone isnt an act of aggression</quote> Legally it is not. And if you FEEEEEEEEEL walking down a public street is aggression then Trayvon was still the aggressive one because he followed Zimmerman regardless. A point you have ignored at least 3 times. <cite>gamepimp12 posted...</cite> <quote> The same reason they feel if you call someone a slur to their face and they punch you for it they're the person in the wrong not you.</quote> Punching someone in the face for insulting you is wrong. It's childish. It's also irrelevant to this topic</quote> I wasn't necessarily referring to the law when I called following someone is an act of aggression it is in specific situations in certain states but I was speaking morally ..... Even if trayvon followed him after being followed he wasn't the first aggressor You know slurs aren't the typical insult, they're legally called fighting words for a reason.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 08/28/17 5:39:21 PM #82:	gamepimp12 posted... ..... Even if trayvon followed him after being followed he wasn't the first aggressor See the more you dig this rabbit hole the more nonsense the claim becomes. "Walking down a public street is aggression and immoral.... But only when this guy does it. When the other guy does it it's fine." At some level here you have got to confess that you're just desperately grasping at straws. gamepimp12 posted... You know slurs aren't the typical insult, they're legally called fighting words for a reason. This is not true. Calling someone a slur is not disturbing the peace/insightment to riot and not illegal. You are not allowed to attack someone who does so. It really is the same as a "typical insult" except arguably if the context of if you were trying to claim it was incitement. Like if someone around provoking minority communities. And again it's disturbing to me that you pretend not understand that. So if someone walked down a street or insulted you, you think it's okay to attack them? seriously? --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:885611778] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote><cite>gamepimp12 posted...</cite> <quote> ..... Even if trayvon followed him after being followed he wasn't the first aggressor </quote> See the more you dig this rabbit hole the more nonsense the claim becomes. "Walking down a public street is aggression and immoral.... But only when this guy does it. When the other guy does it it's fine." At some level here you have got to confess that you're just desperately grasping at straws. <cite>gamepimp12 posted...</cite> <quote> You know slurs aren't the typical insult, they're legally called fighting words for a reason.</quote> This is not true. Calling someone a slur is not disturbing the peace/insightment to riot and not illegal. You are not allowed to attack someone who does so. It really is the same as a "typical insult" except arguably if the context of if you were trying to claim it was incitement. Like if someone around provoking minority communities. And again it's disturbing to me that you pretend not understand that. So if someone walked down a street or insulted you, you think it's okay to attack them? seriously?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadowstrike007 08/28/17 5:40:50 PM #83:	Can't simmer the zimmer. Still to this day glad he was found NOT guilty. Ole boy learned you don't pick fights. --- PSN: Shadowstrike002. Currently playing: FF12,sonic mania,night trap,Hyperdimension 1&3 ps3 https://psnprofiles.com/ShadowStrike002 <cite>Shadowstrike007 posted [p:885611869] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote>Can't simmer the zimmer. Still to this day glad he was found NOT guilty. Ole boy learned you don't pick fights.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 08/28/17 5:46:14 PM #84:	gamepimp12 posted... darkjedilink posted... gamepimp12 posted... I'm just gonna say, had that been a man following a woman people wouldn't act like someone obviously following you home isn't an act of aggression Certain people on CE act like the only act of aggression is to physically harm someone. Except forensic evidence and eyewitness accounts prove that Zimmerman didn't follow Martin home. He followed him for a half a block. And Trayvon was less than 100 m from his house sooooo See post 53, and tell me that you honestly believe that Zimmerman was hounding Martin. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:885612150] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote><cite>gamepimp12 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gamepimp12 posted...</cite> <quote>I'm just gonna say, had that been a man following a woman people wouldn't act like someone obviously following you home isn't an act of aggression Certain people on CE act like the only act of aggression is to physically harm someone.</quote> Except forensic evidence and eyewitness accounts prove that Zimmerman didn't follow Martin home. He followed him for a half a block.</quote> And Trayvon was less than 100 m from his house sooooo</quote> See post 53, and tell me that you honestly believe that Zimmerman was hounding Martin.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darklit_Minuet 08/28/17 5:51:28 PM #85:	UnfairRepresent posted... And if Zimmerman's mom never had sex and became a nun there would have been no deaths. That's not how cause and effect works. The unrelated events that led to Zimmerman being in the spot where Trayvon tried to murder him do not justify the murder. Deciding to stalk a kid with a gun directly led to the murder <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted [p:885612432] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>And if Zimmerman's mom never had sex and became a nun there would have been no deaths. That's not how cause and effect works. The unrelated events that led to Zimmerman being in the spot where Trayvon tried to murder him do not justify the murder. </quote> Deciding to stalk a kid with a gun directly led to the murder</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 08/28/17 5:52:10 PM #86:	Darklit_Minuet posted... Deciding to stalk a kid with a gun directly led to the murder There was no murder and no stalking. You seem to have this confused with some other case. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:885612469] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote> Deciding to stalk a kid with a gun directly led to the murder</quote> There was no murder and no stalking. You seem to have this confused with some other case.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadowstrike007 08/28/17 5:53:11 PM #87:	Lol thinking it was a murder if anything it was sucide. https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/75717790 See he even agrees --- PSN: Shadowstrike002. Currently playing: FF12,sonic mania,night trap,Hyperdimension 1&3 ps3 https://psnprofiles.com/ShadowStrike002 <cite>Shadowstrike007 posted [p:885612536] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote>Lol thinking it was a murder if anything it was sucide. https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/75717790 See he even agrees</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darklit_Minuet 08/28/17 5:54:02 PM #88:	UnfairRepresent posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... Deciding to stalk a kid with a gun directly led to the murder There was no murder and no stalking. You seem to have this confused with some other case. Just because you like playing semantics doesn't make you right. If Zimmerman tried that in my country of Canada, he'd be in jail for following someone with a gun. We don't allow that shit here. Your country being ass backwards doesn't make it right <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted [p:885612589] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote> Deciding to stalk a kid with a gun directly led to the murder</quote> There was no murder and no stalking. You seem to have this confused with some other case.</quote> Just because you like playing semantics doesn't make you right. If Zimmerman tried that in my country of Canada, he'd be in jail for following someone with a gun. We don't allow that shit here. Your country being ass backwards doesn't make it right</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Awesome 08/28/17 5:57:35 PM #89:	if zimmermans last name was spanish sounding then nobody would know who trayvon is. --- http://i.imgur.com/gWCYPlD.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Ls3OgWR.jpg <cite>Awesome posted [p:885612787] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote>if zimmermans last name was spanish sounding then nobody would know who trayvon is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 08/28/17 5:58:42 PM #90:	The Admiral posted... BeantownHero posted... Remember that time you went to the corner store for junk food and on your way back, decide to assault a guy bigger than you for no reason? Anyone who thinks Zimmerman was innocent simply doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. Find people more more of your finite energy to debate with Anyone who makes posts like this got duped by race baiting articles, made up their mind based on bullshit reports, and ignored literally all the evidence from the trial. Odd, because the people who suggested that Trayvon was a thug for smoking weed and having tea with cough syrup in it were getting duped by race baiting articles themselves. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:885612851] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BeantownHero posted...</cite> <quote>Remember that time you went to the corner store for junk food and on your way back, decide to assault a guy bigger than you for no reason? Anyone who thinks Zimmerman was innocent simply doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. Find people more more of your finite energy to debate with</quote> Anyone who makes posts like this got duped by race baiting articles, made up their mind based on bullshit reports, and ignored literally all the evidence from the trial.</quote> Odd, because the people who suggested that Trayvon was a thug for smoking weed and having tea with cough syrup in it were getting duped by race baiting articles themselves.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gamepimp12 08/28/17 6:03:39 PM #91:	UnfairRepresent posted... gamepimp12 posted... ..... Even if trayvon followed him after being followed he wasn't the first aggressor See the more you dig this rabbit hole the more nonsense the claim becomes. "Walking down a public street is aggression and immoral.... But only when this guy does it. When the other guy does it it's fine." At some level here you have got to confess that you're just desperately grasping at straws. gamepimp12 posted... You know slurs aren't the typical insult, they're legally called fighting words for a reason. This is not true. Calling someone a slur is not disturbing the peace/insightment to riot and not illegal. You are not allowed to attack someone who does so. It really is the same as a "typical insult" except arguably if the context of if you were trying to claim it was incitement. Like if someone around provoking minority communities. And again it's disturbing to me that you pretend not understand that. So if someone walked down a street or insulted you, you think it's okay to attack them? seriously? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_words The legalility is obvious a reach and you're probably at best gonna just get reduced sentence due to provocation but the concept of fighting words and how the response to them is typically physical violence is a thing And yes If someone's following me or throws racial slurs my way I'm responding aggressively --- we rich now but used to be slaves,we pushing whips now we used to be whipped,rockin chains when we used to be in 'em <cite>gamepimp12 posted [p:885613136] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gamepimp12 posted...</cite> <quote> ..... Even if trayvon followed him after being followed he wasn't the first aggressor </quote> See the more you dig this rabbit hole the more nonsense the claim becomes. "Walking down a public street is aggression and immoral.... But only when this guy does it. When the other guy does it it's fine." At some level here you have got to confess that you're just desperately grasping at straws. <cite>gamepimp12 posted...</cite> <quote> You know slurs aren't the typical insult, they're legally called fighting words for a reason.</quote> This is not true. Calling someone a slur is not disturbing the peace/insightment to riot and not illegal. You are not allowed to attack someone who does so. It really is the same as a "typical insult" except arguably if the context of if you were trying to claim it was incitement. Like if someone around provoking minority communities. And again it's disturbing to me that you pretend not understand that. So if someone walked down a street or insulted you, you think it's okay to attack them? seriously?</quote> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_words The legalility is obvious a reach and you're probably at best gonna just get reduced sentence due to provocation but the concept of fighting words and how the response to them is typically physical violence is a thing And yes If someone's following me or throws racial slurs my way I'm responding aggressively</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 08/28/17 6:04:46 PM #92:	Darklit_Minuet posted... Just because you like playing semantics doesn't make you right. If Zimmerman tried that in my country of Canada, he'd be in jail for following someone with a gun. We don't allow that shit here. Your country being ass backwards doesn't make it right Actually he probably wouldn't be. Even if we assume he was carrying a unregistered gun illegally the actual shooting would still be justified as 101 self-defense. The only crime he would have broken would be the ownership of the illegal firearm, which as a first-offense would at worst be less than year in prison which would be much less due to either being suspended or just good behavior if he did end up behind bars, but much more likely just be a fine due to the circiumstances. And ignoring gun control laws, the self-defense laws of Canada also protect you from not allowing someone to murder you. The result in Canada would either be: 1. the same if the gun was legal. 2. A slap on the rest for the gun being illegal. Then everything else the same. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:885613191] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote> Just because you like playing semantics doesn't make you right. If Zimmerman tried that in my country of Canada, he'd be in jail for following someone with a gun. We don't allow that shit here. Your country being ass backwards doesn't make it right </quote> Actually he probably wouldn't be. Even if we assume he was carrying a unregistered gun illegally the actual shooting would still be justified as 101 self-defense. The only crime he would have broken would be the ownership of the illegal firearm, which as a first-offense would at worst be less than year in prison which would be much less due to either being suspended or just good behavior if he did end up behind bars, but much more likely just be a fine due to the circiumstances. And ignoring gun control laws, the self-defense laws of Canada also protect you from not allowing someone to murder you. The result in Canada would either be: 1. the same if the gun was legal. 2. A slap on the rest for the gun being illegal. Then everything else the same.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 08/28/17 6:06:34 PM #93:	Kineth posted... Odd, because the people who suggested that Trayvon was a thug for smoking weed and having tea with cough syrup in it were getting duped by race baiting articles themselves. The difference is the people who were given loaded perceptions to see Trayvon as a thug weren't believing lies, they were just being manipulated. The people defending attempted murder literally were told lies and accepted them by choice. Then wanted the legal system to act upon on the lies. That's horrifying. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:885613290] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote> Odd, because the people who suggested that Trayvon was a thug for smoking weed and having tea with cough syrup in it were getting duped by race baiting articles themselves.</quote> The difference is the people who were given loaded perceptions to see Trayvon as a thug weren't believing lies, they were just being manipulated. The people defending attempted murder literally were told lies and accepted them by choice. Then wanted the legal system to act upon on the lies. That's horrifying.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gamepimp12 08/28/17 6:08:11 PM #94:	darkjedilink posted... gamepimp12 posted... darkjedilink posted... gamepimp12 posted... I'm just gonna say, had that been a man following a woman people wouldn't act like someone obviously following you home isn't an act of aggression Certain people on CE act like the only act of aggression is to physically harm someone. Except forensic evidence and eyewitness accounts prove that Zimmerman didn't follow Martin home. He followed him for a half a block. And Trayvon was less than 100 m from his house sooooo See post 53, and tell me that you honestly believe that Zimmerman was hounding Martin. He could physically watch what house Trayvon walked into so yes Had Trayvon actually broke into a house zimmerman could see him from where he was standing. You don't have to be on someones ass to follow him. --- we rich now but used to be slaves,we pushing whips now we used to be whipped,rockin chains when we used to be in 'em <cite>gamepimp12 posted [p:885613370] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gamepimp12 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gamepimp12 posted...</cite> <quote>I'm just gonna say, had that been a man following a woman people wouldn't act like someone obviously following you home isn't an act of aggression Certain people on CE act like the only act of aggression is to physically harm someone.</quote> Except forensic evidence and eyewitness accounts prove that Zimmerman didn't follow Martin home. He followed him for a half a block.</quote> And Trayvon was less than 100 m from his house sooooo</quote> See post 53, and tell me that you honestly believe that Zimmerman was hounding Martin.</quote> He could physically watch what house Trayvon walked into so yes Had Trayvon actually broke into a house zimmerman could see him from where he was standing. You don't have to be on someones ass to follow him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 08/28/17 6:17:46 PM #95:	gamepimp12 posted... He could physically watch what house Trayvon walked into so yes Not true. Trayvon had lost Zimmerman. Then Trayvon got home, then turned around and went back after Zimmerman. Zimmerman would almost certainally never seen Trayvon again ever if Trayvon just acted like a reasonable human being. gamepimp12 posted... You don't have to be on someones ass to follow him. Yes but you have to be on his ass. Zimmerman had lost him when Trayvon started running. This is why the "Walking down a public street is aggression!" bullshit fails even if you ignore the fact it makes no legal or moral or logical sense in the first place. Trayvon followed Zimmerman --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:885613895] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote><cite>gamepimp12 posted...</cite> <quote> He could physically watch what house Trayvon walked into so yes </quote> Not true. Trayvon had lost Zimmerman. Then Trayvon got home, then turned around and went back after Zimmerman. Zimmerman would almost certainally never seen Trayvon again ever if Trayvon just acted like a reasonable human being. <cite>gamepimp12 posted...</cite> <quote> You don't have to be on someones ass to follow him.</quote> Yes but you have to be on his ass. Zimmerman had lost him when Trayvon started running. This is why the "Walking down a public street is aggression!" bullshit fails even if you ignore the fact it makes no legal or moral or logical sense in the first place. Trayvon followed Zimmerman</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 08/28/17 6:53:04 PM #96:	Kineth posted... The Admiral posted... BeantownHero posted... Remember that time you went to the corner store for junk food and on your way back, decide to assault a guy bigger than you for no reason? Anyone who thinks Zimmerman was innocent simply doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. Find people more more of your finite energy to debate with Anyone who makes posts like this got duped by race baiting articles, made up their mind based on bullshit reports, and ignored literally all the evidence from the trial. Odd, because the people who suggested that Trayvon was a thug for smoking weed and having tea with cough syrup in it were getting duped by race baiting articles themselves. NBC News doctored the 911 tape to make George Zimmerman out to sound racist. They literally took an exchange that said "Can you describe him/it's dark, and he's got a hood up/was he white? black?/I think he's black" and changed it to "Can you describe him/he's a criminal; he's black." For months, they painted this out to be "white guy guns down black kid," and when it turned out he wasn't white, they changed it to "white guy who identifies as latino guns down black kid." Oh, and he wasn't suggested to be a thug for smoking weed - it was for the unlicensed firearms he was seen holding on his Facebook page. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:885615824] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BeantownHero posted...</cite> <quote>Remember that time you went to the corner store for junk food and on your way back, decide to assault a guy bigger than you for no reason? Anyone who thinks Zimmerman was innocent simply doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. Find people more more of your finite energy to debate with</quote> Anyone who makes posts like this got duped by race baiting articles, made up their mind based on bullshit reports, and ignored literally all the evidence from the trial.</quote> Odd, because the people who suggested that Trayvon was a thug for smoking weed and having tea with cough syrup in it were getting duped by race baiting articles themselves.</quote> NBC News doctored the 911 tape to make George Zimmerman out to sound racist. They literally took an exchange that said "Can you describe him/it's dark, and he's got a hood up/was he white? black?/I think he's black" and changed it to "Can you describe him/he's a criminal; he's black." For months, they painted this out to be "white guy guns down black kid," and when it turned out he wasn't white, they changed it to "white guy who identifies as latino guns down black kid." Oh, and he wasn't suggested to be a thug for smoking weed - it was for the unlicensed firearms he was seen holding on his Facebook page.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 08/28/17 6:55:25 PM #97:	gamepimp12 posted... UnfairRepresent posted... gamepimp12 posted... ..... Even if trayvon followed him after being followed he wasn't the first aggressor See the more you dig this rabbit hole the more nonsense the claim becomes. "Walking down a public street is aggression and immoral.... But only when this guy does it. When the other guy does it it's fine." At some level here you have got to confess that you're just desperately grasping at straws. gamepimp12 posted... You know slurs aren't the typical insult, they're legally called fighting words for a reason. This is not true. Calling someone a slur is not disturbing the peace/insightment to riot and not illegal. You are not allowed to attack someone who does so. It really is the same as a "typical insult" except arguably if the context of if you were trying to claim it was incitement. Like if someone around provoking minority communities. And again it's disturbing to me that you pretend not understand that. So if someone walked down a street or insulted you, you think it's okay to attack them? seriously? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_words The legalility is obvious a reach and you're probably at best gonna just get reduced sentence due to provocation but the concept of fighting words and how the response to them is typically physical violence is a thing And yes If someone's following me or throws racial slurs my way I'm responding aggressively You realize this is all irrelevant, right? Since the Trayvonn first spoke to Zimmerman, and not the other way around? All your "he followed him!!!" arguments fall flat the moment Zimmerman turned around and headed back to his vehicle after losing Martin. At that moment, Zimmerman was no longer "stalking" Martin. After this moment, Martin chose to run Zimmerman down and attack him from behind. In no court of law in the US or Canada is that going to be considered legal. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:885615961] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote><cite>gamepimp12 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gamepimp12 posted...</cite> <quote> ..... Even if trayvon followed him after being followed he wasn't the first aggressor </quote> See the more you dig this rabbit hole the more nonsense the claim becomes. "Walking down a public street is aggression and immoral.... But only when this guy does it. When the other guy does it it's fine." At some level here you have got to confess that you're just desperately grasping at straws. <cite>gamepimp12 posted...</cite> <quote> You know slurs aren't the typical insult, they're legally called fighting words for a reason.</quote> This is not true. Calling someone a slur is not disturbing the peace/insightment to riot and not illegal. You are not allowed to attack someone who does so. It really is the same as a "typical insult" except arguably if the context of if you were trying to claim it was incitement. Like if someone around provoking minority communities. And again it's disturbing to me that you pretend not understand that. So if someone walked down a street or insulted you, you think it's okay to attack them? seriously?</quote> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_words The legalility is obvious a reach and you're probably at best gonna just get reduced sentence due to provocation but the concept of fighting words and how the response to them is typically physical violence is a thing And yes If someone's following me or throws racial slurs my way I'm responding aggressively</quote> You realize this is all irrelevant, right? Since the Trayvonn first spoke to Zimmerman, and not the other way around? All your "he followed him!!!" arguments fall flat the moment Zimmerman turned around and headed back to his vehicle after losing Martin. At that moment, Zimmerman was no longer "stalking" Martin. After this moment, Martin chose to run Zimmerman down and attack him from behind. In no court of law in the US or Canada is that going to be considered legal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mist_Turnips 08/28/17 7:10:43 PM #98:	gamepimp12 posted... UnfairRepresent posted... gamepimp12 posted... ..... Even if trayvon followed him after being followed he wasn't the first aggressor See the more you dig this rabbit hole the more nonsense the claim becomes. "Walking down a public street is aggression and immoral.... But only when this guy does it. When the other guy does it it's fine." At some level here you have got to confess that you're just desperately grasping at straws. gamepimp12 posted... You know slurs aren't the typical insult, they're legally called fighting words for a reason. This is not true. Calling someone a slur is not disturbing the peace/insightment to riot and not illegal. You are not allowed to attack someone who does so. It really is the same as a "typical insult" except arguably if the context of if you were trying to claim it was incitement. Like if someone around provoking minority communities. And again it's disturbing to me that you pretend not understand that. So if someone walked down a street or insulted you, you think it's okay to attack them? seriously? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_words The legalility is obvious a reach and you're probably at best gonna just get reduced sentence due to provocation but the concept of fighting words and how the response to them is typically physical violence is a thing And yes If someone's following me or throws racial slurs my way I'm responding aggressively Something tells me if you reacted aggressively to someone, you would get beat 9 out of 10 times lol. --- "They say if you don't hide your belly button, lightning could take it away from you! What would happen if it did?" http://i.imgur.com/G74y2NJ.png <cite>Mist_Turnips posted [p:885616762] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote><cite>gamepimp12 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gamepimp12 posted...</cite> <quote> ..... Even if trayvon followed him after being followed he wasn't the first aggressor </quote> See the more you dig this rabbit hole the more nonsense the claim becomes. "Walking down a public street is aggression and immoral.... But only when this guy does it. When the other guy does it it's fine." At some level here you have got to confess that you're just desperately grasping at straws. <cite>gamepimp12 posted...</cite> <quote> You know slurs aren't the typical insult, they're legally called fighting words for a reason.</quote> This is not true. Calling someone a slur is not disturbing the peace/insightment to riot and not illegal. You are not allowed to attack someone who does so. It really is the same as a "typical insult" except arguably if the context of if you were trying to claim it was incitement. Like if someone around provoking minority communities. And again it's disturbing to me that you pretend not understand that. So if someone walked down a street or insulted you, you think it's okay to attack them? seriously?</quote> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_words The legalility is obvious a reach and you're probably at best gonna just get reduced sentence due to provocation but the concept of fighting words and how the response to them is typically physical violence is a thing And yes If someone's following me or throws racial slurs my way I'm responding aggressively</quote> Something tells me if you reacted aggressively to someone, you would get beat 9 out of 10 times lol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gamepimp12 08/28/17 9:01:14 PM #99:	Mist_Turnips posted... gamepimp12 posted... UnfairRepresent posted... gamepimp12 posted... ..... Even if trayvon followed him after being followed he wasn't the first aggressor See the more you dig this rabbit hole the more nonsense the claim becomes. "Walking down a public street is aggression and immoral.... But only when this guy does it. When the other guy does it it's fine." At some level here you have got to confess that you're just desperately grasping at straws. gamepimp12 posted... You know slurs aren't the typical insult, they're legally called fighting words for a reason. This is not true. Calling someone a slur is not disturbing the peace/insightment to riot and not illegal. You are not allowed to attack someone who does so. It really is the same as a "typical insult" except arguably if the context of if you were trying to claim it was incitement. Like if someone around provoking minority communities. And again it's disturbing to me that you pretend not understand that. So if someone walked down a street or insulted you, you think it's okay to attack them? seriously? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_words The legalility is obvious a reach and you're probably at best gonna just get reduced sentence due to provocation but the concept of fighting words and how the response to them is typically physical violence is a thing And yes If someone's following me or throws racial slurs my way I'm responding aggressively Something tells me if you reacted aggressively to someone, you would get beat 9 out of 10 times lol. Yeah come test that theory --- we rich now but used to be slaves,we pushing whips now we used to be whipped,rockin chains when we used to be in 'em <cite>gamepimp12 posted [p:885622965] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mist_Turnips posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gamepimp12 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gamepimp12 posted...</cite> <quote> ..... Even if trayvon followed him after being followed he wasn't the first aggressor </quote> See the more you dig this rabbit hole the more nonsense the claim becomes. "Walking down a public street is aggression and immoral.... But only when this guy does it. When the other guy does it it's fine." At some level here you have got to confess that you're just desperately grasping at straws. <cite>gamepimp12 posted...</cite> <quote> You know slurs aren't the typical insult, they're legally called fighting words for a reason.</quote> This is not true. Calling someone a slur is not disturbing the peace/insightment to riot and not illegal. You are not allowed to attack someone who does so. It really is the same as a "typical insult" except arguably if the context of if you were trying to claim it was incitement. Like if someone around provoking minority communities. And again it's disturbing to me that you pretend not understand that. So if someone walked down a street or insulted you, you think it's okay to attack them? seriously?</quote> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_words The legalility is obvious a reach and you're probably at best gonna just get reduced sentence due to provocation but the concept of fighting words and how the response to them is typically physical violence is a thing And yes If someone's following me or throws racial slurs my way I'm responding aggressively</quote> Something tells me if you reacted aggressively to someone, you would get beat 9 out of 10 times lol.</quote> Yeah come test that theory</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomtheGrav 08/28/17 9:07:09 PM #100:	can't flim flam the zim zam --- set the controls for the heart of the sun http://www.kingdomofloathing.com <cite>DoomtheGrav posted [p:885623322] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote>can't flim flam the zim zam</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mist_Turnips 08/28/17 9:26:05 PM #101:	LMAO, oh the cringe --- "They say if you don't hide your belly button, lightning could take it away from you! What would happen if it did?" http://i.imgur.com/G74y2NJ.png <cite>Mist_Turnips posted [p:885624404] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote>LMAO, oh the cringe</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 08/30/17 9:50:16 AM #102:	And he was never seen again --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:885711379] in Whoa the Z... [t:75717309]...</cite> <quote>And he was never seen again</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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