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Antifar
08/27/17 9:14:44 PM
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https://www.apnews.com/ff3edeeb44c84c348a620df08481f211
The Trump administration is preparing to restore the flow of surplus military equipment to local law enforcement agencies under a program that had been sharply curtailed amid an outcry over police use of armored vehicles and other war-fighting gear to confront protesters.

Documents obtained by The Associated Press indicate President Donald Trump plans to sign an executive order undoing an Obama administration directive that restricted police agencies’ access to the gear that includes grenade launchers, bullet-proof vests, riot shields, firearms and ammunition.

Trump’s order would fully restore the program under which “assets that would otherwise be scrapped can be repurposed to help state, local, and tribal law enforcement better protect public safety and reduce crime,” according to the documents.

Attorney General Jeff Sessions could outline the changes during a Monday speech to the national conference of the Fraternal Order of Police in Nashville, Tennessee, a person familiar with the matter said. The person insisted on anonymity to discuss the plan ahead of an official announcement.

The changes would be another way in which Trump and Sessions are enacting a law-and-order agenda that views federal support of local police as a way to drive down violent crime.

National police organizations have long been pushing Trump to hold his promise to once again make the equipment available to local and state police departments, many of which see it as needed to ensure officers aren’t put in danger when responding to active shooter calls and terrorist attacks. An armored vehicle played a key role in the police response to the December 2015 mass shooting in San Bernardino, California.

In 1990, Congress authorized the Pentagon to give surplus equipment to police to help fight drugs, which then gave way to the fight against terrorism.

Groups across the political spectrum have expressed concern about the militarization of police, arguing that the equipment encourages and escalates confrontations with officers. President Barack Obama issued an executive order in 2015 that severely limited the surplus program, partly triggered by public outrage over the use of military gear when during protests in Ferguson, Missouri, following the shooting death of 18-year-old Michael Brown. Police responded in riot gear and deployed tear gas, dogs and armored vehicles. At times they also pointed assault rifles at protesters.

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SageHarpuia
08/27/17 9:15:55 PM
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Really just depends on what it is and what shape it's in tbh
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lww99
08/27/17 9:15:57 PM
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One of the first things that he's done that I'm okay with.
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Tryhaptaward
08/27/17 9:16:10 PM
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time to fear monger
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AlternativeFAQS
08/27/17 9:17:02 PM
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"trump is bad but im ok with militarizing the police"


because the one thing you want with a fascist president is a militarized police force
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BLAKUboy
08/27/17 9:17:19 PM
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In 1990, Congress authorized the Pentagon to give surplus equipment to police to help fight drugs

Of course they did. Gee, I wonder why Sessions would want this to come back.
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SageHarpuia
08/27/17 9:17:35 PM
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Ok, just read the article. There is absolutely no reason for law enforcement to have grenade launchers.
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The Admiral
08/27/17 9:17:43 PM
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Antifar posted...
Trump’s order would fully restore the program under which “assets that would otherwise be scrapped can be repurposed to help state, local, and tribal law enforcement better protect public safety and reduce crime,” according to the documents.


Sounds like a smart program. Only thing I thing I take issue with:

grenade launchers, bullet-proof vests, riot shields, firearms and ammunition.


Don't really see why a civilian police force needs grenade launchers.
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Burgess
08/27/17 9:18:08 PM
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To launch grenades fucking duh.
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DreadedWave
08/27/17 9:18:12 PM
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AlternativeFAQS posted...
"trump is bad but im ok with militarizing the police"


because the one thing you want with a fascist president is a militarized police force

The police would never do harm to anyone innocent though!
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itachi15243
08/27/17 9:21:42 PM
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Is his next executive order going to be a collective secret police force that only listens to him?
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PoopMcgee420
08/27/17 9:23:32 PM
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AlternativeFAQS posted...
"trump is bad but im ok with militarizing the police"


because the one thing you want with a fascist president is a militarized police force

Another shit post from this kid
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yanksfan4247
08/27/17 9:23:58 PM
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P O L I C E S T A T E

Everything is fine.
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PoopMcgee420
08/27/17 9:25:37 PM
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Criminals have military gear so ....police should to


They all better receive proper fucking training and only used in extreme situations.
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Pitlord_Special
08/27/17 9:26:45 PM
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United Police States of Trump's America
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NeonOctopus
08/27/17 9:27:28 PM
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There's smoke and tear gas grenades >_> I really really doubt they're going to use actual grenades lol
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pegusus123456
08/28/17 4:19:28 AM
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The Admiral posted...
Antifar posted...
Trump’s order would fully restore the program under which “assets that would otherwise be scrapped can be repurposed to help state, local, and tribal law enforcement better protect public safety and reduce crime,” according to the documents.


Sounds like a smart program. Only thing I thing I take issue with:

grenade launchers, bullet-proof vests, riot shields, firearms and ammunition.


Don't really see why a civilian police force needs grenade launchers.

Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but I saw that as the Obama policy restricting them to only getting grenade launchers, vests, shields, and firearms.
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The Admiral
08/28/17 8:58:37 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...
The Admiral posted...
Antifar posted...
Trump’s order would fully restore the program under which “assets that would otherwise be scrapped can be repurposed to help state, local, and tribal law enforcement better protect public safety and reduce crime,” according to the documents.


Sounds like a smart program. Only thing I thing I take issue with:

grenade launchers, bullet-proof vests, riot shields, firearms and ammunition.


Don't really see why a civilian police force needs grenade launchers.

Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but I saw that as the Obama policy restricting them to only getting grenade launchers, vests, shields, and firearms.


It says the Obama policies restricted access to that gear.
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eston
08/28/17 9:02:43 AM
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KiwiTerraRizing
08/28/17 9:09:09 AM
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You give a cop a grenade launcher he wants to use the grenade launcher.

We are citizens not a foreign army and the police who are supposed to protect and serve us are only concerned about arming themselves to kill us.

We're in a police state and so many are fine with it, "But I'm not a criminal, I have nothing to worry about.", just wait.
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Buzz Killjoy
08/28/17 9:09:57 AM
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They do make tear gas and smoke grenades for standard 40mm grenade launchers. Civilians can buy these too as far as I know, I get ads for them once in a while.

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clearaflagrantj
08/28/17 9:10:35 AM
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Maybe it's a grenade launcher that shoots smoke grenades
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Kineth
08/28/17 9:20:01 AM
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People literally cheering for the erosion of our freedom.
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gamepimp12
08/28/17 9:20:27 AM
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At this point can anyone argue against the fact that trump is only serving 1 group of people
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pinky0926
08/28/17 9:29:28 AM
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The police in America sounds scary as fuck to be honest.
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KiwiTerraRizing
08/28/17 9:37:12 AM
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pinky0926 posted...
The police in America sounds scary as fuck to be honest.


They are, they treat the populace like insurgents. Their job is to lock as many up as possible to justify their job and they can murder at will without repercussions.
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polopili
08/28/17 9:38:02 AM
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More guns! We need them in case the government becomes tyrannical.
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Tropicalwood
08/28/17 12:35:46 PM
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The Admiral posted...
Antifar posted...
Trump’s order would fully restore the program under which “assets that would otherwise be scrapped can be repurposed to help state, local, and tribal law enforcement better protect public safety and reduce crime,” according to the documents.


Sounds like a smart program. Only thing I thing I take issue with:

grenade launchers, bullet-proof vests, riot shields, firearms and ammunition.


Don't really see why a civilian police force needs grenade launchers.

Are you kidding me? A grenade launcher will launch a variety of projectiles ranging from explosives to gas, the military is pretty consistent on not having dedicated weapons for ammo that could easily be fitted into their existing munitions supply.

It's better to send these to law enforcement because they're otherwise just going to be stored on the tax payers dime, ideally they would be selling their crap right back to citizens like they did in the old days.
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hockeybub89
08/28/17 12:37:38 PM
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You know what would improve poorly trained police departments? Military gear.
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BootyGif
08/28/17 12:41:45 PM
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Police state

This isn't conservative ideology
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hyperpowder
08/28/17 12:44:56 PM
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pinky0926 posted...
The police in America sounds scary as fuck to be honest.


They are
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Annihilated
08/28/17 12:46:23 PM
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pinky0926 posted...
The police in America sounds scary as fuck to be honest.


If you're a criminal, yes, absolutely. That's the design.
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hyperpowder
08/28/17 12:50:20 PM
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Annihilated posted...
pinky0926 posted...
The police in America sounds scary as fuck to be honest.


If you're a criminal, yes, absolutely. That's the design.


Do you know how many laws there are in US? We're all criminals in some form. I don't think it is right for the Police to bust into someones house in military gear over unpaid parking tickets.
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BootyGif
08/28/17 12:51:06 PM
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Annihilated posted...
pinky0926 posted...
The police in America sounds scary as fuck to be honest.


If you're a criminal, yes, absolutely. That's the design.

Lol get a clue
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scorpion41
08/28/17 12:52:07 PM
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Alright America...let's take back our neighborhoods from the gangs!
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FLUFFYGERM
08/28/17 12:52:24 PM
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this is fantastic news. next we just need to ban civilian access to ammunition or institute a mandatory gun buyback program.
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glitteringfairy
08/28/17 12:55:33 PM
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There are a multitude of different types of grenades. You guys have played enough video games to know this. While yes, they can fire shrapnel grenades I can guarantee you it's gonna be used for smoke, flash bang, and tear gas. The day police start throwing shrapnel grenades at protesters is when I close my account
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Darklit_Minuet
08/28/17 12:57:27 PM
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glitteringfairy posted...
There are a multitude of different types of grenades. You guys have played enough video games to know this. While yes, they can fire shrapnel grenades I can guarantee you it's gonna be used for smoke, flash bang, and tear gas. The day police start throwing shrapnel grenades at protesters is when I close my account

So rather than killing protesters, they'll only be gassing/blinding/torturing them? Gee, that makes it much better /s

I'm sure as fuck never stepping foot into America, and I urge all of you living there to leave now before it gets any worse
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HypnoCoosh
08/28/17 12:57:38 PM
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AlternativeFAQS posted...
fascist president


hahaha omg

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The Admiral
08/28/17 12:58:04 PM
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Darklit_Minuet posted...
I'm sure as fuck never stepping foot into America


Gee, what a loss. How ever will America survive.
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Darklit_Minuet
08/28/17 12:58:43 PM
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The Admiral posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
I'm sure as fuck never stepping foot into America


Gee, what a loss. However will America survive.

It probably won't, that's the problem
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YourAlt
08/28/17 12:59:46 PM
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I wonder which local municipality will be the first to use a grenade launcher against American citizens?
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The Admiral
08/28/17 1:00:24 PM
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Darklit_Minuet posted...
The Admiral posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
I'm sure as fuck never stepping foot into America


Gee, what a loss. However will America survive.

It probably won't, that's the problem


This is what folks from former European superpowers with inferiority complexes who don't quite grasp their country's current irrelevance have been saying for two generations now.

Let me know when it happens.
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Mist_Turnips
08/28/17 1:04:13 PM
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Get em, blues.
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weapon_d00d816
08/28/17 1:22:11 PM
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SageHarpuia posted...
Ok, just read the article. There is absolutely no reason for law enforcement to have grenade launchers.

Uhh, tear gas/smoke?

Pretty sure they're just receiving the launchers. It made no mention of explosive ammunition.
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weapon_d00d816
08/28/17 1:24:05 PM
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hyperpowder posted...
Annihilated posted...
pinky0926 posted...
The police in America sounds scary as fuck to be honest.


If you're a criminal, yes, absolutely. That's the design.


Do you know how many laws there are in US? We're all criminals in some form. I don't think it is right for the Police to bust into someones house in military gear over unpaid parking tickets.

And they don't.
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St0rmFury
08/29/17 1:21:39 AM
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KiwiTerraRizing posted...
We are citizens not a foreign army and the police who are supposed to protect and serve us are only concerned about arming themselves to kill us.

Wrong. The police are here to protect & serve the state, even if it means killing the citizens to do it.

Kinda like how in I, Robot where the AI deduced that humans needed to be subjugated and controlled in order to protect us from ourselves.

Edit: I'm not supporting the police btw.
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CADE FOSTER
08/29/17 1:23:06 AM
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MrStabbath
08/29/17 1:26:00 AM
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Annihilated posted...
pinky0926 posted...
The police in America sounds scary as fuck to be honest.


If you're a criminal, yes, absolutely. That's the design.

the police in new zealand are lovely for the most part but I still get nervous when they're driving behind me out of fear of getting arrested for nothing (which doesn't really happen here). can't imagine what an armed angry american officer would feel like. horror movie shit.
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