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Questionmarktarius
08/27/17 4:49:14 AM
#51:


itachi15243 posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
itachi15243 posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
Well let's leave it to the lawyers to work out the charges, but I bet he doesn't get charged with something like attempted murder but more like illegal discharge of a weapon.



I'd be fine as long as he gets his any sort of concealed carry and handguns taken, and some jail time. I doubt he'd get attempted murder no matter what. Maybe attempted assault with a deadly weapon.

Given how the guy he was reacting to was firing a blowtorch around, I'm really skeptical this guy will get any serious charges to stick.

Plea down to "public discharge of firearm" is likely.


That is my prediction.


Like I said, I'm cool with it as long as he looses the permit to carry, and gets like 6 months in jail or something.

Public discharge is maybe a year probation.
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cjsdowg
08/27/17 8:51:56 AM
#52:


Mal_Fet posted...

Given how the guy he was reacting to was firing a blowtorch around, I'm really skeptical this guy will get any serious charges to stick.


The "Blowtorch" was not where near him. He got closer to the guy and order to shot at him. I mean dead lord the CE really defending a Nazi shooting at crowd of people.
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Trigg3rH4ppy
08/27/17 9:05:28 AM
#53:


Sativa_Rose posted...
Lol @ the woman who thinks the cops all would have heard that and instantly known exactly what that was. It was a single 9mm gunshot in a super crowded and loud area.

Some people, including some commenting on this, are pretty stupid.
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Ammonitida
08/27/17 9:06:15 AM
#54:


cjsdowg posted...
A black 12 year old is killed with in 2 seconds by the police, a white guys shots at people and just walks away.


A black supremacist, cop-hater kills two cops and is only arrested.

http://heavy.com/news/2017/08/everett-glenn-miller-kissimmee-glen-suspect-police-shot-shooting-matthew-baxter-sam-howard-photos-facebook/

While a white man is shot dead for merely pulling up his pants while he was on the ground.

smh

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/unarmed-man-killed-arizona-cried-begged-life-article-1.2582759
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Doom_Art
08/27/17 9:09:56 AM
#55:


is this one of the "fine people" that trump was talking about?
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cjsdowg
08/27/17 9:25:31 AM
#56:


Ammonitida posted...
While a white man is shot dead for merely pulling up his pants while he was on the ground.

smh

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/unarmed-man-killed-arizona-cried-begged-life-article-1.2582759



AND THAT cop is going to jail.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/mesa/2017/02/10/new-trial-date-set-daniel-shaver-murder-case-philp-mitch-brailsford/92427438/

Unlike the cop who shot rice, and who the police literally defended until they had to let him go when it was made public he lied to get his job. If that didn't happen he would have still be on the job. Even after the settlement the city attacked rice and his family.
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coolboy11
08/27/17 9:29:15 AM
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yeah leftists need to go over their fear of guns and start showing up armed to counter protest these type of thugs people like the John Brown Gun club have it right.
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PoopMcgee420
08/27/17 9:32:16 AM
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I mean Antifa is dirt but i wouldn't consider shooting the ground to be a crowd.

Also this is fake
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Sephiroth1288
08/27/17 9:36:12 AM
#59:


coolboy11 posted...
yeah leftists need to go over their fear of guns and start showing up armed to counter protest these type of thugs people like the John Brown Gun club have it right.

You say this like we would be against them exercising their rights?
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Ammonitida
08/27/17 9:40:45 AM
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cjsdowg posted...
Ammonitida posted...
While a white man is shot dead for merely pulling up his pants while he was on the ground.

smh

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/unarmed-man-killed-arizona-cried-begged-life-article-1.2582759



AND THAT cop is going to jail.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/mesa/2017/02/10/new-trial-date-set-daniel-shaver-murder-case-philp-mitch-brailsford/92427438/

Unlike the cop who shot rice, and who the police literally defended until they had to let him go when it was made public he lied to get his job. If that didn't happen he would have still be on the job. Even after the settlement the city attacked rice and his family.


Apples to pinapples.

And trotting out "what about Rice" every time you're upset that a white man wasn't gunned down by a cop is pathetic.
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cjsdowg
08/27/17 9:46:16 AM
#61:


Ammonitida posted...

Apples to pinapples.

And trotting out "what about Rice" every time you're upset that a white man wasn't gunned down by a cop is pathetic.


Wanted the police to do something is the not same thing as wanting the police to shot someone.
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Bio1590
08/27/17 9:51:22 AM
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He's currently been charged with "discharging a firearm with 1000 feet of a school" which is apparently 2-10 years in prison. The guy's also apparently an Imperial Wizard.

Like I didn't think he was going to get charged with anything extreme either.

Also I'm assuming his "plea deal" would be "willfull discharge of a firearm in public with no one being harmed" which is up to 12 months in jail and a $2.5k fine.
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Sephiroth1288
08/27/17 9:53:17 AM
#63:


Bio1590 posted...
He's currently been charged with "discharging a firearm with 1000 feet of a school" which is apparently 2-10 years in prison. The guy's also apparently an Imperial Wizard.

Like I didn't think he was going to get charged with anything extreme either.

Also I'm assuming his "plea deal" would be "willfull discharge of a firearm in public with no one being harmed" which is up to 12 months in jail and a $2.5k fine.

Eh, I still doubt all of that will stick since he was defending himself and others.
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Bio1590
08/27/17 9:56:20 AM
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You have a weird notion of the term "defend".
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Sephiroth1288
08/27/17 9:57:59 AM
#65:


Bio1590 posted...
You have a weird notion of the term "defend".

Was he not responding to a guy who was firing a blowtorch at people?

Because I'm positive that constitutes a clear and present threat, which defending oneself with a firearm is justified.
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Twinmold
08/27/17 10:01:20 AM
#66:


Im honestly saddened that my favorite website has become a safe haven for white supremacists who peddle their offensive garbage with the mod's approval.
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Bio1590
08/27/17 10:05:46 AM
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Virginia's self-defense law requires you to be in imminent danger. You'd be hard-pressed to argue he was.
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BLAKUboy
08/27/17 10:11:47 AM
#68:


Twinmold posted...
Im honestly saddened that my favorite website has become a safe haven for white supremacists who peddle their offensive garbage with the mod's approval.

Yeah, it's pretty sickening how much the mods let these trolls get away with.
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Sephiroth1288
08/27/17 10:13:19 AM
#69:


Bio1590 posted...
Virginia's self-defense law requires you to be in imminent danger.

You or someone else.

How do you figure those people who were just a few feet away from that guy as he sprayed them with fire weren't in imminent danger?
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The Great Muta 22
08/27/17 10:16:17 AM
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I love how people can just gloss over the guy using the spray paint cans account of the situation and claim "Oh show me proof he was protecting someone because he's clearly lying" without offering any proof that he's lying themselves. How about we let the legal system play out before assuming we know everything?
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PoopMcgee420
08/27/17 10:19:42 AM
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Man as a white man I'm much more likely to be killed by a cop. Guess i need to start saying fuck the police lol

Like it amazes me people still buy into blm when its been proven that theyre wrong about everything they cry about
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BootyGif
08/27/17 10:23:43 AM
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Racist trash gonna racist

Do we expect anything else from republicans?
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gatorsPENSbucs
08/27/17 10:26:32 AM
#74:


cjsdowg posted...
The "Blowtorch" was not where near him. He got closer to the guy and order to shot at him. I mean dead lord the CE really defending a Nazi shooting at crowd of people.

I'm trying my best to figure out what you said, but maybe you should look at the video. The shooter was covered in smoke at the beginning of the video. Walked away. Saw dude flame throwing towards the people walking down the stairs and then shot.

So, blowtorch was very close to him and then very close to others. Guy with gun wanted to give a warning shot. But end of the day,

Dark_Spiret posted...
all i see is two idiots who put peoples lives at risk.

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marc55
08/27/17 10:56:18 AM
#75:


cjsdowg posted...
Ammonitida posted...
While a white man is shot dead for merely pulling up his pants while he was on the ground.

smh

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/unarmed-man-killed-arizona-cried-begged-life-article-1.2582759



AND THAT cop is going to jail.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/mesa/2017/02/10/new-trial-date-set-daniel-shaver-murder-case-philp-mitch-brailsford/92427438/

Unlike the cop who shot rice, and who the police literally defended until they had to let him go when it was made public he lied to get his job. If that didn't happen he would have still be on the job. Even after the settlement the city attacked rice and his family.


and unlike the cop who shot roupe..............................................but i think i can understand why you didnt mention it
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PoopMcgee420
08/27/17 11:08:31 AM
#76:


BootyGif posted...
Racist trash gonna racist

Do we expect anything else from democrats?

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hockeybub89
08/27/17 11:09:24 AM
#77:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
Bio1590 posted...
Virginia's self-defense law requires you to be in imminent danger.

You or someone else.

How do you figure those people who were just a few feet away from that guy as he sprayed them with fire weren't in imminent danger?

You are such a clown. You'll represent this situation as one-sided as possible to defend a white supremacist at a violent rally shooting a gun at a crowd of people. But hey, you're a classic liberal that only defends the truth.
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PoopMcgee420
08/27/17 11:12:14 AM
#78:


hockeybub89 posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Bio1590 posted...
Virginia's self-defense law requires you to be in imminent danger.

You or someone else.

How do you figure those people who were just a few feet away from that guy as he sprayed them with fire weren't in imminent danger?

You are such a clown. You'll represent this situation as one-sided as possible to defend a white supremacist at a violent rally shooting a gun at a crowd of people. But hey, you're a classic liberal that only defends the truth.


Why are you defending the guy who had a flamethrower.

Theyre both really shitty people that noone with common sense should be defending.

Like wtf a flamethrower? Y'all communist are weird af
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YourAlt
08/27/17 11:27:24 AM
#79:


Sativa_Rose posted...
itachi15243 posted...
He just wanted to play hero.


Same with the flamethrower guy. Except the guy with the gun probably at least had more training with the weapon, and it's also a more reliable device in general. That homemade flamethrower? What if the guy messes up and blows it all up? He could accidentally kill himself and others. At least with the gun, it was manufactured and tested in a factory with actual safety standards.

They were both reckless, but don't pretend like the flamethrower guy isn't being just as dangerous if not even more dangerous than the guy with the gun.


"The guy with the gun probably had more training"

Lol, that's why he fired a shot into,the ground in a crowded area and defied any possible training he could have

I swear republicans will defend anything a liberal hating white man does
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YourAlt
08/27/17 11:28:08 AM
#80:


PoopMcgee420 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Bio1590 posted...
Virginia's self-defense law requires you to be in imminent danger.

You or someone else.

How do you figure those people who were just a few feet away from that guy as he sprayed them with fire weren't in imminent danger?

You are such a clown. You'll represent this situation as one-sided as possible to defend a white supremacist at a violent rally shooting a gun at a crowd of people. But hey, you're a classic liberal that only defends the truth.


Why are you defending the guy who had a flamethrower.

Theyre both really shitty people that noone with common sense should be defending.

Like wtf a flamethrower? Y'all communist are weird af


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hockeybub89
08/27/17 11:35:27 AM
#81:


PoopMcgee420 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Bio1590 posted...
Virginia's self-defense law requires you to be in imminent danger.

You or someone else.

How do you figure those people who were just a few feet away from that guy as he sprayed them with fire weren't in imminent danger?

You are such a clown. You'll represent this situation as one-sided as possible to defend a white supremacist at a violent rally shooting a gun at a crowd of people. But hey, you're a classic liberal that only defends the truth.


Why are you defending the guy who had a flamethrower.

Theyre both really shitty people that noone with common sense should be defending.

Like wtf a flamethrower? Y'all communist are weird af

I'm not a communist and the dude held a lighter as he pressed down on a spray paint can. Let's stop acting as if he shows up with a homemade rocket launcher. Hell, at least that would make more sense if you showed up planning to fight people who have guns. And there is no proof his account is not accurate.
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Pogo_Marimo
08/27/17 11:44:19 AM
#82:


Well, this is officially the most disturbing topic on here in months. As if I needed more proof there are terrible people in this world, I have to suffer through people literally defending a person yelling the "n-word" and firing a gun in the direction of a crowd of people because someone was making little fireballs with an aerosol can.
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Mal_Fet
08/27/17 11:46:58 AM
#83:


Pogo_Marimo posted...
making little fireballs with an aerosol can.

Yeah, comon guys. When has a little fire ever hurt anybody?
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YourAlt
08/27/17 11:49:09 AM
#84:


Mal_Fet posted...
Pogo_Marimo posted...
making little fireballs with an aerosol can.

Yeah, comon guys. When has a little fire ever hurt anybody?


A gun is infinitely more dangerous, not to mention the guy clearly isn't trained properly to use a firearm.
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TomNook20
08/27/17 11:54:12 AM
#85:


Pogo_Marimo posted...
Well, this is officially the most disturbing topic on here in months. As if I needed more proof there are terrible people in this world, I have to suffer through people literally defending a person yelling the "n-word" and firing a gun in the direction of a crowd of people because someone was making little fireballs with an aerosol can.


Let's not marginalize any sort of violence. The guy who fired his gun was an idiot and a horrible person. Same goes for mr flamethrower. Violence is bad and people who engage in violent acts should be held accountable for their crimes. Kind of disgusting that you even have news anchors like Lemon defending and interviewing this sort of thing.
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ultimate reaver
08/27/17 11:57:13 AM
#86:


For people who love guns so much, right wingers sure are quick to defend a guy who violates literally the most basic tenants of safety with them
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faizan_faizan
08/27/17 11:58:25 AM
#87:


Why didn't they arrest him? Their system is inherently flawed.
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Buzz Killjoy
08/27/17 11:58:44 AM
#88:


Firing a warning shot is almost never legally defensible or justifiable. It is something the experts preach that you never, ever, ever do.

You shoot to stop the threat because your life or someone else's is in imminent danger. If the threat of force or deadly force isn't serious enough for you to shoot directly at the threat, it isn't serious enough to shoot at all.

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Bio1590
08/27/17 11:58:50 AM
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I mean the idiot with the gun literally had to try twice (and had the time to also) to ensure he had a round chambered. And was able to walk back towards the guy.

There was nothing "imminent" about this.
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The Great Muta 22
08/27/17 12:01:12 PM
#90:


It's crazy how people are using pleas to emotion to describe a spray paint can being used to shoot flames.

Likewise we have no reason to believe this guys account of protecting someone else is false other than "NOPE HE'S LYING I JUST KNOW IT!"
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Anteaterking
08/27/17 12:11:38 PM
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So if someone would have killed this guy after he fired at the ground, would that be self defense?
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Mal_Fet
08/27/17 12:12:38 PM
#92:


Anteaterking posted...
So if someone would have killed this guy after he fired at the ground, would that be self defense?

Probably not, since he was the one defending against a guy who was shooting fireballs at people.
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LittleRoyal
08/27/17 12:13:27 PM
#93:


ImAMarvel posted...
cjsdowg posted...
A black 12 year old is killed with in 2 seconds by the police, a white guys shots at people and just walks away.


this fucking world, man

You guys equating the situationsand treating it like the norm is ridiculous
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ultimate reaver
08/27/17 12:14:45 PM
#94:


I love the progression of the spray can with lighter. First it was a torch, then it was a flamethrower, and now he's throwing fireballs at people like he's Liu Kang
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The Great Muta 22
08/27/17 12:14:50 PM
#95:


Mal_Fet posted...
Anteaterking posted...
So if someone would have killed this guy after he fired at the ground, would that be self defense?

Probably not, since he was the one defending against a guy who was shooting fireballs at people.


The guy shooting the fire was defending an old man against neo Nazis assaulting him.
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Doom_Art
08/27/17 12:16:06 PM
#96:


funny how mal always ends up on the nazis side of things in these little arguments
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Anteaterking
08/27/17 12:16:39 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
Anteaterking posted...
So if someone would have killed this guy after he fired at the ground, would that be self defense?

Probably not, since he was the one defending against a guy who was shooting fireballs at people.


Yeah, but if I'm in the crowd, how do *I* know that? Am I supposed to reconstruct the order of events before deciding? All I see is someone pointing a gun towards a crowd I'm part of (whether it's pointed at the ground or not) and firing.
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HBOSS
08/27/17 12:17:22 PM
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Fire fire hehehehe
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Pogo_Marimo
08/27/17 12:23:11 PM
#99:


Mal_Fet posted...
Pogo_Marimo posted...
making little fireballs with an aerosol can.

Yeah, comon guys. When has a little fire ever hurt anybody?

I'm not defending flamethrower guy. He should be charged with public endangerment.

But shooting fireballs into the air is vastly, vastly less dangerous than firing a shot in the direction of a crowd, and makes the situation much more likely to by fatal. Anyone with a brain should be able to see that.
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Bio1590
08/27/17 12:47:34 PM
#100:


Mal_Fet posted...
Anteaterking posted...
So if someone would have killed this guy after he fired at the ground, would that be self defense?

Probably not, since he was the one defending against a guy who was shooting fireballs at people.

Except having a firearm pointed at you is pretty much a textbook case of being in imminent danger. If anyone had shot the guy at that moment it would most definitely fall under their self defense laws.
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