Current Events > The Death Note movie was absolute garbage (spoilers)

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Light is an idiot that screams like he's in a camp movie

Light literally blabs about the Death Note to some girl he doesn't know, and compromises himself

L gets fully tilted and literally chases Light, instead of, you know, acting like a genius detective

The death scenes literally look like Final Destination

The characters are just not fucking developed at all, they all act like idiots, the movie takes no time in developing Kira's cult, there's no chess battle between Light and L, they don't actually fight at all, scenes just happen.

I thought Lakeith was great until the character got ruined, and Dafoe was amazing like everyone expected. The actor for Light was literally awful.

3/10.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KpcVfepq2c
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LMAO the funny part is how they literally turned Light into the hero, with L just misunderstanding him ( and literally decide to forgive him in the end) and turned MISA into the main villain. Fucking hilarious.
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I thought that Mia and Light's dad were better than they were in the original.

and while I liked Dafoe's portrayal of Ryuk, I preferred the original.
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yeah. if you completely cast japanese death note out of your mind and treat it as a shitty american retelling, it's tolerable to aight at least.
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the Final Destination-like death scenes were the best parts of the movie outside of Ryuuk himself, tbh.
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I went in not knowing shit about it and thought it was alright....
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I watched and enjoyed the anime and thought the movie was a fun, if brainless, movie. The Final Destination-like sequences were a nice tough IMO.

And L didn't forgive Light, what are you talking about?
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BuckVanHammer posted...

I went in not knowing shit about it and thought it was alright....

it's more watchable if you didn't read the manga/watch the anime/mind the unnecessary changes.
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pegusus123456 posted...

I watched and enjoyed the anime and thought the movie was a fun, if brainless, movie. The Final Destination-like sequences were a nice tough IMO.

And L didn't forgive Light, what are you talking about?

He doesn't kill light for watari's death because he realizes he had good intentions and that it was Mia who was behind everything.
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GiftedACIII posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

I watched and enjoyed the anime and thought the movie was a fun, if brainless, movie. The Final Destination-like sequences were a nice tough IMO.

And L didn't forgive Light, what are you talking about?

He doesn't kill light for watari's death because he realizes he had good intentions and that it was Mia who was behind everything.

I'm almost positive it was ambiguous as to what L was going to do. Even had some people in the topic I made suggest that L ends up writing Light's father's name in there as "justice" for him killing L's father-figure.
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I heard they tried to condense way, way too much of the original story into the film.
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Dragonblade01 posted...

I heard they tried to condense way, way too much of the original story into the film.

I would say they changed it way too much for them to have condensed it. The only thing that is copied directly from the anime and was a bit too condensed for my taste was that the world began to worship Kira.
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pegusus123456 posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

I watched and enjoyed the anime and thought the movie was a fun, if brainless, movie. The Final Destination-like sequences were a nice tough IMO.

And L didn't forgive Light, what are you talking about?

He doesn't kill light for watari's death because he realizes he had good intentions and that it was Mia who was behind everything.

I'm almost positive it was ambiguous as to what L was going to do. Even had some people in the topic I made suggest that L ends up writing Light's father's name in there as "justice" for him killing L's father-figure.

I don't see how. There weren't any references to Light's father during that scene. It just looked like he forced himself not to kill him. I mean, if he did do that he would become worse than Light. Light himself was pretty much just a misunderstood individual who was prodded by Ryuk and manipulated by Mia, literally on his way to become the pure "god" the original Light pretended he was.
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GiftedACIII posted...

I mean, if he did do that he would become worse than Light

lol nah

GiftedACIII posted...

Light himself was pretty much just a misunderstood individual who was prodded by Ryuk and manipulated by Mia, literally on his way to become the pure "god" the original Light pretended he was.

He wasn't misunderstood, he murdered people.
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pegusus123456 posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

I mean, if he did do that he would become worse than Light

lol nah

GiftedACIII posted...

Light himself was pretty much just a misunderstood individual who was prodded by Ryuk and manipulated by Mia, literally on his way to become the pure "god" the original Light pretended he was.

He wasn't misunderstood, he murdered people.

This Light literally doesn't kill a single person that wasn't either to save innocent people's lives or under the influence of Mia (who are all criminals anyway, many who were wanted) and even goes out of his way to save all the law enforcement that were after him. He's pretty much the generic action hero, maybe even better since generic action heros usually don't hesitate to kill law enforcement who are after them.
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his first kill was a schoolyard bully, in the most messed up of ways.
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boxington posted...

his first kill was a schoolyard bully, in the most messed up of ways.

Ok, and under the influence and prodding of Ryuk. Also, that bully was assaulting someone else and in real life you would be cleared of justifiable homicide if you shot him.
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if someone convinces you of killing someone, you're still responsible for the act.
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boxington posted...

if someone convinces you of killing someone, you're still responsible for the act.

Under real life laws you are given more leniency if you were being persuaded or intimidated by other people. Just look at the reduced sentencing of that beltway sniper.
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I have an issue with that "wind current" that apparently carried Mia to the shoreline and Light into the water. I know he literally wrote like that, but it looked weird because they fell from the fucking same spot at basically the same time.

could have at least let Light hold on for a bit longer to give the Ferris wheel time to further bend and fall into the opposite direction so it made sense visually.

am I missing something?
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Yeah if the guy is that easy to manipulate and is capable of killing, he's not misunderstood. He should be kept away from life
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legendarylemur posted...

Yeah if the guy is that easy to manipulate and is capable of killing, he's not misunderstood. He should be kept away from life

Everyone he killed were criminals or to save another's life and he balks at the idea of killing innocents. How is this any worse than characters like James Bond or the stuff Liam Neeson plays?
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GiftedACIII posted...

legendarylemur posted...

Yeah if the guy is that easy to manipulate and is capable of killing, he's not misunderstood. He should be kept away from life

Everyone he killed were criminals or to save another's life and he balks at the idea of killing innocents. How is this any worse than characters like James Bond or the stuff Liam Neeson plays?

Their goal isn't genocide?

Oh, and you remember in the beginning of the movie where he tells Mia that they can't use that website because they can't verify that the people are actual criminals? Yeah, where do you think he goes at the end when he needs a few people to mind control?
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pegusus123456 posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

legendarylemur posted...

Yeah if the guy is that easy to manipulate and is capable of killing, he's not misunderstood. He should be kept away from life

Everyone he killed were criminals or to save another's life and he balks at the idea of killing innocents. How is this any worse than characters like James Bond or the stuff Liam Neeson plays?

Their goal isn't genocide?

maybe they are hoping for a sequel where he finally snaps.
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GiftedACIII posted...

legendarylemur posted...

Yeah if the guy is that easy to manipulate and is capable of killing, he's not misunderstood. He should be kept away from life

Everyone he killed were criminals or to save another's life and he balks at the idea of killing innocents. How is this any worse than characters like James Bond or the stuff Liam Neeson plays?

Because James Bond is James Bond in movie and book. He's an established badass that generally makes his fans happy. Light is an inconsistent idiot in this. That makes you not like him.

He was ready to kill L, a character that only gets people arrested. But FBI agents that might freak out and kill him on sight? Who have likely killed before? Nah, they're not a good idea that's evil
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Light could of killed L but didn't
Wow such point
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pegusus123456 posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

legendarylemur posted...

Yeah if the guy is that easy to manipulate and is capable of killing, he's not misunderstood. He should be kept away from life

Everyone he killed were criminals or to save another's life and he balks at the idea of killing innocents. How is this any worse than characters like James Bond or the stuff Liam Neeson plays?

Their goal isn't genocide?

Oh, and you remember in the beginning of the movie where he tells Mia that they can't use that website because they can't verify that the people are actual criminals? Yeah, where do you think he goes at the end when he needs a few people to mind control?

As I said earlier, pretty much all of that is under the negative influence and prodding of both Mia and Ryuk (after all, Ryuk said he would give the Death Note to someone else if he didn't use it, and most likely it would end up in the hands of people who'd kill for worse reasons). Even so, as the "group" that were killed were rapists and murderers that's about as much genocide as Americans and the British when they rounded up Nazis for execution.

And he didn't have time and was in a desperate situation. It's not as if generic action heros like James Bond and Liam Neeson's characters don't kill a bunch of innocent people as casualties whenever they need to cause sudden mass explosions and the like. Remember when the Taken guy shoots an innocent woman to get her husband to confess?
Anyway it's pretty obvious he was meant to be portrayed much more heroically. Not only does he survive the events, his father after finding out he's Kira doesn't even seem too upset about it and was only looking for a talk with Light.
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itachi15243 posted...

He was ready to kill L, a character that only gets people arrested.

Yeah, this was dumb. It's like they only did that to reference the original anime/manga. At the end, Light even passes up a perfect opportunity to kill him because he would rather talk things out and literally reveals his book to L. (L, at the end wouldn't have known or got access to that hidden page if Light didn't tip him off)
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GiftedACIII posted...

As I said earlier, pretty much all of that is under the negative influence and prodding of both Mia and Ryuk (after all, Ryuk said he would give the Death Note to someone else if he didn't use it, and most likely it would end up in the hands of people who'd kill for worse reasons).

That doesn't matter, he murdered people. "My girlfriend made me do it," isn't a valid defense.

GiftedACIII posted...

And he didn't have time and was in a desperate situation

So he murders possibly innocent people.

GiftedACIII posted...

Anyway it's pretty obvious he was meant to be portrayed much more heroically

Yes. He's still an asshole and a murderer.
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Light did kill innocent people he just lied about it. He derailed an entire train having people jump in front of it. That Yakuza nightclub got numerous women killed in the crossfire.
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Vortex_of_Hope posted...

Light did kill innocent people he just lied about it. He derailed an entire train having people jump in front of it. That Yakuza nightclub got numerous women killed in the crossfire.

Having not watched the movie, this sounds hilariously stupid.
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GiftedACIII posted...

itachi15243 posted...

He was ready to kill L, a character that only gets people arrested.

Yeah, this was dumb. It's like they only did that to reference the original anime/manga. At the end, Light even passes up a perfect opportunity to kill him because he would rather talk things out and literally reveals his book to L. (L, at the end wouldn't have known or got access to that hidden page if Light didn't tip him off)

Yeah that really pissed me off too.

'derp how would I kill people? Writing in a calculus book? You're crazy man."

"Does your son have a calculus book?"
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pegusus123456 posted...

That doesn't matter, he murdered people. "My girlfriend made me do it," isn't a valid defense.

It literally is in IRL court.
pegusus123456 posted...

So he murders possibly innocent people.

Like pretty much every generic action hero.
pegusus123456 posted...

Yes. He's still an a****** and a murderer.

The same can be said for literally every video game and action hero then. But most people still praise them and they usually get a happy ending with no one even entertaining the thought that they should be locked up.
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To be fair, in your typical generic action hero story line, the morality of the protagonist isn't usually a key point of contention in the narrative.
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Dragonblade01 posted...

To be fair, in your typical generic action hero story line, the morality of the protagonist isn't usually a key point of contention in the narrative.

That pisses me off about this movie. Light's morality isn't in question. The closet it comes is Mia's.

I mean shit, death note is about the idea of justice. Did they even say justice once?

And about his girlfriend making him do it. As soon as as she gets to know him a little it's "hey watch me kill people I'm cool right?"
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GiftedACIII posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

I watched and enjoyed the anime and thought the movie was a fun, if brainless, movie. The Final Destination-like sequences were a nice tough IMO.

And L didn't forgive Light, what are you talking about?

He doesn't kill light for watari's death because he realizes he had good intentions and that it was Mia who was behind everything.

I'm almost positive it was ambiguous as to what L was going to do. Even had some people in the topic I made suggest that L ends up writing Light's father's name in there as "justice" for him killing L's father-figure.

I don't see how. There weren't any references to Light's father during that scene. It just looked like he forced himself not to kill him. I mean, if he did do that he would become worse than Light. Light himself was pretty much just a misunderstood individual who was prodded by Ryuk and manipulated by Mia, literally on his way to become the pure "god" the original Light pretended he was.

The final scenes keep switching from L with the missing page, presumedly writing something down, after calming himself and thinking it through, to scenes of Light's dad getting a confession from him at the hospital with Ryuk laughing at Light after he confesses to being Kira.

Considering that L doesn't know the rules of the book, dislikes both Light and his father, and had just lost Watari and been threatened by the police. It's certainly readable that he simply wrote for the dad to get the confession to clear his own name, and possibly to avenge the loss of his own father figure.
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Dragonblade01 posted...

To be fair, in your typical generic action hero story line, the morality of the protagonist isn't usually a key point of contention in the narrative.

If we're just talking about what the directors intended, they clearly meant for Light to be seen as the good guy and Mia the bad guy with how they made Light manage to get everything his way at the end.
The central plot was really just Light vs Mia with L and the other law enforcement meant to be a wake up call how bad Mia was to him.

And about his girlfriend making him do it. As soon as as she gets to know him a little it's "hey watch me kill people I'm cool right?"

To be fair, this was in an active hostage situation, not going after already incarcerated criminals. An obviously good hero would kill him if there was nothing else they could do.
The idea of killing incarcerated criminals was given and goaded by Mia
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Oh my god, it does not matter that Mia motivated him to do it, she didn't hold a gun to his head he wanted the poon and he murdered people to get it
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KogaSteelfang posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

I watched and enjoyed the anime and thought the movie was a fun, if brainless, movie. The Final Destination-like sequences were a nice tough IMO.

And L didn't forgive Light, what are you talking about?

He doesn't kill light for watari's death because he realizes he had good intentions and that it was Mia who was behind everything.

I'm almost positive it was ambiguous as to what L was going to do. Even had some people in the topic I made suggest that L ends up writing Light's father's name in there as "justice" for him killing L's father-figure.

I don't see how. There weren't any references to Light's father during that scene. It just looked like he forced himself not to kill him. I mean, if he did do that he would become worse than Light. Light himself was pretty much just a misunderstood individual who was prodded by Ryuk and manipulated by Mia, literally on his way to become the pure "god" the original Light pretended he was.

The final scenes keep switching from L with the missing page, presumedly writing something down, after calming himself and thinking it through, to scenes of Light's dad getting a confession from him at the hospital with Ryuk laughing at Light after he confesses to being Kira.

Considering that L doesn't know the rules of the book, dislikes both Light and his father, and had just lost Watari and been threatened by the police. It's certainly readable that he simply wrote for the dad to get the confession to clear his own name, and possibly to avenge the loss of his own father figure.

idk, seems like a stretch. Did he really write anything? His hand was shaking above the paper so it looked more like he was struggling whether to or not.
pegusus123456 posted...

Oh my god, it does not matter that Mia motivated him to do it, she didn't hold a gun to his head he wanted the poon and he murdered people to get it

Neither did the guy in beltway sniper or Beckett from this case here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bega_schoolgirl_murders
Despite being the actual murderer he was given a far more lenient sentence than the guy who told him to.
And as I said, he was also goaded by Ryuk, who said he'd give the death note to someone else, someone who'd be much less likely to balk at killing innocents than him.
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GiftedACIII posted...

Neither did the guy in beltway sniper or Beckett from this case here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bega_schoolgirl_murders
Despite being the actual murderer he was given a far more lenient sentence than the guy who told him to.

That's not comparable because I would assume that these two had a relationship beyond, "You wanna murder people and bang?" Which is about all the cajoling Mia had to do for Light to start killing people.

GiftedACIII posted...

And as I said, he was also goaded by Ryuk, who said he'd give the death note to someone else, someone who'd be much less likely to balk at killing innocents than him.

IIRC, the rule wasn't that Light had to kill people. Just that he had to keep possession of the Death Note. So Ryuk wasn't goading him into doing shit.
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pegusus123456 posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

Neither did the guy in beltway sniper or Beckett from this case here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bega_schoolgirl_murders
Despite being the actual murderer he was given a far more lenient sentence than the guy who told him to.

That's not comparable because I would assume that these two had a relationship beyond, "You wanna murder people and bang?" Which is about all the cajoling Mia had to do for Light to start killing people.

GiftedACIII posted...

And as I said, he was also goaded by Ryuk, who said he'd give the death note to someone else, someone who'd be much less likely to balk at killing innocents than him.

IIRC, the rule wasn't that Light had to kill people. Just that he had to keep possession of the Death Note. So Ryuk wasn't goading him into doing shit.

Ryuk did goad him into his first murder kinda

Light was just stupidly assuming​ Ryuk​ would kill him and take it if he didn't
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pegusus123456 posted...

That's not comparable because I would assume that these two had a relationship beyond, "You wanna murder people and bang?" Which is about all the cajoling Mia had to do for Light to start killing people.

Light was a fucking moron for showing Mia that he could kill people but after he did, Mia certainly had the emotional advantage over him because she could blackmail him or threaten to start killing people herself if he didn't (which she ultimately did)

Oh yeah btw, L himself could've possibly killed innocent people during his chase with Light because he caused several car accidents including overturning a car.
Also @KogaSteelfang

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfWEOLIF2eM
L never wrote anything. That was just Light in a flashback.
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GiftedACIII posted...

Light was a fucking moron for showing Mia that he could kill people but after he did, Mia certainly had the emotional advantage over him because she could blackmail him or threaten to start killing people herself if he didn't (which she ultimately did)

"If you don't kill people, I'll tell people that you killed that bully with your magic notebook that fell from the sky."

Yeah, A+ blackmail material right there.
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pegusus123456 posted...

IIRC, the rule wasn't that Light had to kill people. Just that he had to keep possession of the Death Note. So Ryuk wasn't goading him into doing s***.

Ryuk is much more evil here and also seems to have a lot more freedom too. One of the first thing he tells Light after Light kills the bully is that he wants people dead and that he's only making Light the user for fun. His threats to give the note to someone worse is probably not restricted to only if the Death Note is kept, but rather if he isn't entertained by Light.
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pegusus123456 posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

Light was a fucking moron for showing Mia that he could kill people but after he did, Mia certainly had the emotional advantage over him because she could blackmail him or threaten to start killing people herself if he didn't (which she ultimately did)

"If you don't kill people, I'll tell people that you killed that bully with your magic notebook that fell from the sky."

Yeah, A+ blackmail material right there.

Stop being intentionally dense. That's not the only way to blackmail. She could tell many other people about the Death Note and eventually someone would be curious enough to take it from Light to check it if actually works. The fact that she knew it exists, how it works and that Light used it already gives her the advantage over him.
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GiftedACIII posted...

Stop being intentionally dense. That's not the only way to blackmail. She could tell many other people about the Death Note and eventually someone would be curious enough to take it from Light to check it if actually works. The fact that she knew it exists, how it works and that Light used it already gives her the advantage over him.

Magic. Notebook. From. The sky. You can't blackmail someone with that.

Oh, and this entire argument is pointless anyway because she didn't even bother trying to do so. The entirety of that exchange was, "Oh man, we should kill criminals." "Fuck yeah, let's do it!"
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pegusus123456 posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

Stop being intentionally dense. That's not the only way to blackmail. She could tell many other people about the Death Note and eventually someone would be curious enough to take it from Light to check it if actually works. The fact that she knew it exists, how it works and that Light used it already gives her the advantage over him.

Magic. Notebook. From. The sky. You can't blackmail someone with that.

Oh, and this entire argument is pointless anyway because she didn't even bother trying to do so. The entirety of that exchange was, "Oh man, we should kill criminals." "Fuck yeah, let's do it!"

If you can convict someone with that you can certainly blackmail someone with it. I already explained how. Please stop being intentionally dense. you're almost getting to UnfairRepresent's level.
And as Subtle pointed out, with Ryuk in the scene it's better to kill criminals than risk the note falling into someone worse's hands.
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GiftedACIII posted...

If you can convict someone with that you can certainly blackmail someone with it.

L would not, in fact, have been able to convict Light on the premise of him having a magic notebook that fell from the sky. No one's going to be curious enough to take the Death Note from Light because they're going to think Mia is fucking crazy for trying to convince people that Light has a magic murder book. Mia knowing about the book doesn't give her an advantage over Light because he has a magic murder book.

And again, any premise of blackmail is irrelevant because she didn't try to blackmail him. She made a suggestion, he gleefully jumped on the idea.
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SubtletyRefuge posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

IIRC, the rule wasn't that Light had to kill people. Just that he had to keep possession of the Death Note. So Ryuk wasn't goading him into doing s***.

Ryuk is much more evil here and also seems to have a lot more freedom too. One of the first thing he tells Light after Light kills the bully is that he wants people dead and that he's only making Light the user for fun. His threats to give the note to someone worse is probably not restricted to only if the Death Note is kept, but rather if he isn't entertained by Light.

It entirely removes the interesting foundation of the premise: An ideation of absolute justice executed by someone of total freedom and complicity. As soon as you start compelling the main character to perform these actions, you slowly remove the responsibility from the act itself.
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