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That_Happened
08/22/17 11:52:29 AM
#54:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
That_Happened posted...
I agree. I hate when I get called racist just because I'm white. But I also hate when other white people can't bring themselves to admit the neo nazi rally in charlottesville was reprehensible (at least, not without also throwing shade at BLM or any other reactionary group). I roll my eyes every time that happens and think "great, that's another white person that's ruining it for the rest of us."

Find us some people who aren't nazis that don't condemn them.


Mal_Fet, you "accidentally" dropped the rest of my quote. Try again. EDIT: Actually don't. Shut the fuck up.
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Medz2017
08/22/17 11:52:43 AM
#55:


Slavery never happened. Problem solved
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That_Happened
08/22/17 11:54:07 AM
#56:


Medz2017 posted...
That_Happened posted...
Medz2017 posted...
https://face2faceafrica.com/article/slavery-africa-today


We should also take down any statues in America that pay homage to current African slavers.

Was that your point?

point is not all slavers today are white


Which was a point that no one was arguing in the first place, as the topic is literally about American southern slavery.

Are you ok?
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Sephiroth1288
08/22/17 11:56:19 AM
#57:


That_Happened posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
That_Happened posted...
I agree. I hate when I get called racist just because I'm white. But I also hate when other white people can't bring themselves to admit the neo nazi rally in charlottesville was reprehensible (at least, not without also throwing shade at BLM or any other reactionary group). I roll my eyes every time that happens and think "great, that's another white person that's ruining it for the rest of us."

Find us some people who aren't nazis that don't condemn them.


Mal_Fet, you "accidentally" dropped the rest of my quote. Try again. EDIT: Actually don't. Shut the fuck up.

I'm not throwing shade on BLM here. I'm asking you where all the non-nazi white people are who aren't condemning Nazis.
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Damn_Underscore
08/22/17 11:56:24 AM
#58:


What % of Americans have ancestors who didn't even emigrate to the US until after the Civil War
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Medz2017
08/22/17 11:57:23 AM
#59:


That_Happened posted...
Medz2017 posted...
That_Happened posted...
Medz2017 posted...
https://face2faceafrica.com/article/slavery-africa-today


We should also take down any statues in America that pay homage to current African slavers.

Was that your point?

point is not all slavers today are white


Which was a point that no one was arguing in the first place, as the topic is literally about American southern slavery.

Are you ok?

title of the topic has the terms white people and southern slavery. Not all slavers today are white southern Americans...
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That_Happened
08/22/17 11:58:12 AM
#60:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
I'm asking you where all the non-nazi white people are who aren't condemning Nazis.


The thought is not complete until the sentence ends. I'll help you out:

Sephiroth1288 posted...
I'm asking you where all the non-nazi white people are who aren't condemning Nazis without also condemning BLM, Antifa, or any other groups on the "other side" as if they were equal.


The answer to this question is "everywhere, and they're usually conservative white people."
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ChromaticAngel
08/22/17 11:58:13 AM
#61:


darkphoenix181 posted...
the great wall of China was built using slave labor


1. This (and the bit about the pyramids) is false

2. Even if it wasn't, it doesn't matter. The Lee statues weren't built by slaves. Having been built by slaves is not a predicate for wanting its removal. The White House was built by slaves and no one wants it torn down except ISIS and friends.
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Ilove4chan
08/22/17 11:58:29 AM
#62:


Tmk posted...
TFW you're white and keep getting blamed for slavery but never thanked for abolishing it


LOL i hope this is a joke post
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darkphoenix181
08/22/17 11:58:33 AM
#63:


Samurontai posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
the great wall of China was built using slave labor


False

When Emperor Qin Shi Huang ordered construction of the Great Wall around 221 B.C., the labor force that built the wall was made up largely of soldiers and convicts. It is said that as many as 400,000 people died during the wall's construction; many of these workers were buried within the wall itself.


http://www.chinatravellers.com/Artcle_Show.asp?id=167
3. Who built the Great Wall of China?
Millions of the people constructed the Great Wall. The labor force to build the Great Wall includes workers, soldiers, forcibly recruited peasants, slaves, convicts and war prisoners.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Great_Wall_of_China
The walls were built of rammed earth, constructed using forced labour, and by 212 BC ran from Gansu to the coast of southern Manchuria.


http://www.nytimes.com/1984/07/24/world/a-chinese-plea-bring-back-the-great-wall.html?mcubz=1
Construction of the Great Wall started about 2,500 years ago. It was intended to keep out the marauding northern nomads who lived in the regions that are now Mongolia and Manchuria. The wall was built across China in sections using slave labor and was finally linked in 214 B.C.


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darkjedilink
08/22/17 11:59:11 AM
#64:


LordRazziel posted...
Yeah, it was white people that enslaved black people in the U.S.
The title almost implies that we did it because we're white. That would be like me blaming black people, if I got held up by one.

Actually, it was other black people that enslaved black people, then sold them to white people for coffee and sugar.
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That_Happened
08/22/17 12:00:01 PM
#65:


darkjedilink posted...
Actually, it was other black people that enslaved black people, then sold them to white people for coffee and sugar.

Because the alternative was that the white slavers would kill the black slavers (or force them into slavery too) if they didn't "sell" their slaves.
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Samurontai
08/22/17 12:00:30 PM
#66:


darkphoenix181 posted...
Samurontai posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
the great wall of China was built using slave labor


False

When Emperor Qin Shi Huang ordered construction of the Great Wall around 221 B.C., the labor force that built the wall was made up largely of soldiers and convicts. It is said that as many as 400,000 people died during the wall's construction; many of these workers were buried within the wall itself.


http://www.chinatravellers.com/Artcle_Show.asp?id=167
3. Who built the Great Wall of China?
Millions of the people constructed the Great Wall. The labor force to build the Great Wall includes workers, soldiers, forcibly recruited peasants, slaves, convicts and war prisoners.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Great_Wall_of_China
The walls were built of rammed earth, constructed using forced labour, and by 212 BC ran from Gansu to the coast of southern Manchuria.


http://www.nytimes.com/1984/07/24/world/a-chinese-plea-bring-back-the-great-wall.html?mcubz=1
Construction of the Great Wall started about 2,500 years ago. It was intended to keep out the marauding northern nomads who lived in the regions that are now Mongolia and Manchuria. The wall was built across China in sections using slave labor and was finally linked in 214 B.C.


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What's your point?

Slave labor wasn't a larg contribution to the wall being built. It was built mostly by soldiers and convicts
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darkjedilink
08/22/17 12:01:21 PM
#67:


That_Happened posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
I'm asking you where all the non-nazi white people are who aren't condemning Nazis.

The thought is not complete until the sentence ends. I'll help you out:

Sephiroth1288 posted...
I'm asking you where all the non-nazi white people are who aren't condemning Nazis without also condemning BLM, Antifa, or any other groups on the "other side" as if they were equal.

The answer to this question is "everywhere, and they're usually conservative white people."

Those groups ARE the same as Nazis, and just like Nazis and the KKK, anyone who supports them is a racist piece of shit.
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Blue_Inigo
08/22/17 12:01:22 PM
#68:


Slavery is still a thing
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Kineth
08/22/17 12:01:46 PM
#69:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
The vast majority of white people alive today had nothing to do with slavery or the statues or neo nazism or killing protestors who take down those statues.


Then why do you y'all want to keep making the criticism personal if the words are clearly not speaking about you?
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Bad_Mojo
08/22/17 12:02:19 PM
#70:


Damn_Underscore posted...
What % of Americans have ancestors who didn't even emigrate to the US until after the Civil War


Like I said in either this topic or another one today, my family didn't come here until 1978
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That_Happened
08/22/17 12:02:22 PM
#71:


darkjedilink posted...
Those groups ARE the same as Nazis, and just like Nazis and the KKK, anyone who supports them is a racist piece of shit.

:D Thanks, buddy!

That_Happened posted...
I hate when I get called racist just because I'm white. But I also hate when other white people can't bring themselves to admit the neo nazi rally in charlottesville was reprehensible (at least, not without also throwing shade at BLM or any other reactionary group). I roll my eyes every time that happens and think "great, that's another white person that's ruining it for the rest of us."

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RE_expert44
08/22/17 12:04:20 PM
#72:


The white guilt in this topic is STROOOOONG
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Sephiroth1288
08/22/17 12:04:26 PM
#73:


That_Happened posted...
The answer to this question is "everywhere, and they're usually conservative white people."

Lol, what?

Communists have just as evil a history as Nazis do. What''s wrong with putting the trash with the other trash?
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Samurontai
08/22/17 12:07:25 PM
#74:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
That_Happened posted...
The answer to this question is "everywhere, and they're usually conservative white people."

Lol, what?

Communists have just as evil a history as Nazis do. What''s wrong with putting the trash with the other trash?


Same reason why it's not a good idea to charge a person who's in possession of drugs with the same things you'd charge a person guilty of murder with
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darkphoenix181
08/22/17 12:08:11 PM
#75:


Samurontai posted...
What's your point?

Slave labor wasn't a larg contribution to the wall being built. It was built mostly by soldiers and convicts


http://china.mrdonn.org/greatwall.html
Qin put many people to work building the wall including criminals, scholars, captured enemies and anyone he felt like assigning to the wall construction. Laborers who worked on the wall were not paid and they were not given very much food. It was slave labor and very harsh. People died of disease and exhaustion. There were accidents from falling rocks.


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--kresnik--
08/22/17 12:08:18 PM
#76:


appologism
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KStateKing17
08/22/17 12:09:52 PM
#77:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
That_Happened posted...
The answer to this question is "everywhere, and they're usually conservative white people."

Lol, what?

Communists have just as evil a history as Nazis do. What''s wrong with putting the trash with the other trash?

It's easier to separate the bottles, plastics, and cardboard, and take care of them separately, instead of lumping them together when their materials and process for recycling or destruction might be different.
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ZombiePelican
08/22/17 12:10:04 PM
#78:


Samurontai posted...
and convicts.

ITP:Using convicts for labor isn't slavery
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Damn_Underscore
08/22/17 12:10:57 PM
#79:


Now we have people saying the Communist dictatorships weren't that bad
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Samurontai
08/22/17 12:12:41 PM
#81:


darkphoenix181 posted...
Samurontai posted...
What's your point?

Slave labor wasn't a larg contribution to the wall being built. It was built mostly by soldiers and convicts


http://china.mrdonn.org/greatwall.html
Qin put many people to work building the wall including criminals, scholars, captured enemies and anyone he felt like assigning to the wall construction. Laborers who worked on the wall were not paid and they were not given very much food. It was slave labor and very harsh. People died of disease and exhaustion. There were accidents from falling rocks.


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Again, what's your point?

Slaves made up a small portion of the wall labor force. It was mostly soldiers, peasants and criminals.



ZombiePelican posted...
Samurontai posted...
and convicts.

ITP:Using convicts for labor isn't slavery


I never said that?
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Sephiroth1288
08/22/17 12:13:41 PM
#82:


Samurontai posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
That_Happened posted...
The answer to this question is "everywhere, and they're usually conservative white people."

Lol, what?

Communists have just as evil a history as Nazis do. What''s wrong with putting the trash with the other trash?


Same reason why it's not a good idea to charge a person who's in possession of drugs with the same things you'd charge a person guilty of murder with

Lol what? Did you forget what Antifa has been doing for the past 12 months?
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darkphoenix181
08/22/17 12:13:44 PM
#83:


https://www.travelchinaguide.com/china_great_wall/facts/who-built.htm

The soldiers were the main power to build the Great Wall at that time. For example, Emperor Qin Shihuang ordered the General Mengtian to lead around 300,000 soldiers to protect the defensive line and build the wall after defeating the Huns. This project took more than 9 years. In order to take care of the soldiers and make them feel settled, the court even arranged for widows to marry them.

Besides those soldiers, the Emperor Qin Shihuang also forced nearly one million people to join the construction of this project. There were also many other dynasties taking the same actions. About 100,000 people were taken to build the wall in 446, during Northern Wei Dynasty (386 – 534). In 555, Northern Qi Dynasty (550 – 577), the emperor used 1,800,000 laborers to build the wall from Xiakou to Hengzhou, which is more than 450 kilometers (280 miles). In the Sui Dynasty (581 - 618 AD), the widows were also force to work because all the male laborers had been used already.

The criminals were forced into labor as punishment. They would be shaved off the hair and wore the iron rings. During the day, they were ordered to take turns patrolling the wall, while at night, building and extending the wall. They were required to work for 4 years according to laws of Qin Dynasty.


300,000 soldiers
vs.
one million forced "slave" laborers

@Samurontai
I am generally curious why you think there was no slave labor, got any more articles?
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Samurontai
08/22/17 12:14:04 PM
#84:


Wait why are these guys even talking about the Great Wall of China to begin with lmao

They're not even equatable to the confederate statues and actually served a non historic purpose
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Samurontai
08/22/17 12:14:46 PM
#85:


darkphoenix181 posted...
https://www.travelchinaguide.com/china_great_wall/facts/who-built.htm

The soldiers were the main power to build the Great Wall at that time. For example, Emperor Qin Shihuang ordered the General Mengtian to lead around 300,000 soldiers to protect the defensive line and build the wall after defeating the Huns. This project took more than 9 years. In order to take care of the soldiers and make them feel settled, the court even arranged for widows to marry them.

Besides those soldiers, the Emperor Qin Shihuang also forced nearly one million people to join the construction of this project. There were also many other dynasties taking the same actions. About 100,000 people were taken to build the wall in 446, during Northern Wei Dynasty (386 – 534). In 555, Northern Qi Dynasty (550 – 577), the emperor used 1,800,000 laborers to build the wall from Xiakou to Hengzhou, which is more than 450 kilometers (280 miles). In the Sui Dynasty (581 - 618 AD), the widows were also force to work because all the male laborers had been used already.

The criminals were forced into labor as punishment. They would be shaved off the hair and wore the iron rings. During the day, they were ordered to take turns patrolling the wall, while at night, building and extending the wall. They were required to work for 4 years according to laws of Qin Dynasty.


300,000 soldiers
vs.
one million forced "slave" laborers

@Samurontai
I am generally curious why you think there was no slave labor, got any more articles?


Okay cool I'm wrong.

Congratulations I guess?

And I never said there wasn't any slave labor
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ZombiePelican
08/22/17 12:16:23 PM
#87:


Samurontai posted...
I never said that?

Samurontai posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...

the great wall of China was built using slave labor



False
Samurontai posted...
that built the wall was made up largely of soldiers and convicts


This is some serious denial
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darkphoenix181
08/22/17 12:17:34 PM
#88:


Samurontai posted...

And I never said there wasn't any slave labor


Samurontai posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
the great wall of China was built using slave labor


False


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Samurontai posted...
Wait why are these guys even talking about the Great Wall of China to begin with lmao

They're not even equatable to the confederate statues and actually served a non historic purpose


cause some guy brought up the pyramids but scholars say those weren't built by slaves but the wall it seems was
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Samurontai
08/22/17 12:17:47 PM
#89:


ZombiePelican posted...
Samurontai posted...
I never said that?

Samurontai posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...

the great wall of China was built using slave labor



False
Samurontai posted...
that built the wall was made up largely of soldiers and convicts


This is some serious denial


How is it denial to point out that it wasn't purely slave labor?

Like what? You guys are really reaching this time on a topic that doesn't even pertain to the original topic of discussion tbh
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Samurontai
08/22/17 12:19:07 PM
#90:


darkphoenix181 posted...
Samurontai posted...

And I never said there wasn't any slave labor


Samurontai posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
the great wall of China was built using slave labor


False


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Samurontai posted...
Wait why are these guys even talking about the Great Wall of China to begin with lmao

They're not even equatable to the confederate statues and actually served a non historic purpose


cause some guy brought up the pyramids but scholars say those weren't built by slaves but the wall it seems was


Okay?

Again, what's your point?
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Sephiroth1288
08/22/17 12:44:04 PM
#92:


M_Live posted...
Where you guys at that people of color keep calling you racist and stuff? This doesn't happen to me. My black friends tend to be pretty chill.

The vast majority of minorities are totally sane.

It's the loud minority of SJW minorities and their attention-seeking white "allies" who say shit like that.
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darkjedilink
08/22/17 1:24:35 PM
#93:


That_Happened posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Those groups ARE the same as Nazis, and just like Nazis and the KKK, anyone who supports them is a racist piece of shit.

:D Thanks, buddy!

That_Happened posted...
I hate when I get called racist just because I'm white. But I also hate when other white people can't bring themselves to admit the neo nazi rally in charlottesville was reprehensible (at least, not without also throwing shade at BLM or any other reactionary group). I roll my eyes every time that happens and think "great, that's another white person that's ruining it for the rest of us."

The rally was reprehensible.

THEY HAD A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO HOLD IT WITHOUT BEING PHYSICALLY ASSAULTED BY OTHERS.
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LordRazziel
08/22/17 1:25:19 PM
#94:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
M_Live posted...
Where you guys at that people of color keep calling you racist and stuff? This doesn't happen to me. My black friends tend to be pretty chill.

The vast majority of minorities are totally sane.

It's the loud minority of SJW minorities and their attention-seeking white "allies" who say shit like that.

Yep. The links to those "Look what this person said on Tumblr/Twitter!" are not accurate an representation of people's behaviors.

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08/22/17 1:28:45 PM
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darkjedilink
08/22/17 1:28:54 PM
#96:


ImAMarvel posted...
darkjedilink posted...
LordRazziel posted...
Yeah, it was white people that enslaved black people in the U.S.
The title almost implies that we did it because we're white. That would be like me blaming black people, if I got held up by one.

Actually, it was other black people that enslaved black people, then sold them to white people for coffee and sugar.

Why do people act like this excuses centuries of black enslavement by white people?

Because white people literally didn't enslave them.

Or did you forget that BLM wants reparations from white people, when it's literally their own ancestry that caused the slave trade?

None of my ancestors came to this country until after 1910, so what do I owe black people, who may not even be descended from slaves?
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Kineth
08/22/17 1:29:41 PM
#97:


darkjedilink posted...
ImAMarvel posted...
darkjedilink posted...
LordRazziel posted...
Yeah, it was white people that enslaved black people in the U.S.
The title almost implies that we did it because we're white. That would be like me blaming black people, if I got held up by one.

Actually, it was other black people that enslaved black people, then sold them to white people for coffee and sugar.

Why do people act like this excuses centuries of black enslavement by white people?

Because white people literally didn't enslave them.


Shut the fuck up with this lying ass bullshit.
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ChromaticAngel
08/22/17 1:42:08 PM
#99:


darkjedilink posted...
None of my ancestors came to this country until after 1910, so what do I owe black people, who may not even be descended from slaves?


You owe them actually listening to their complaints when they tell you shit like slavery monuments do not need to be on state property.

Saying "I had nothing to do with it, and that statue needs to stay up" is starting out with a fact and then turning it into a lie.

Defending confederate monuments on state property is attaching to yourself deeds in defense of slavery that didn't previously exist.
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darkjedilink
08/22/17 1:44:29 PM
#100:


Kineth posted...
darkjedilink posted...
ImAMarvel posted...
darkjedilink posted...
LordRazziel posted...
Yeah, it was white people that enslaved black people in the U.S.
The title almost implies that we did it because we're white. That would be like me blaming black people, if I got held up by one.

Actually, it was other black people that enslaved black people, then sold them to white people for coffee and sugar.

Why do people act like this excuses centuries of black enslavement by white people?

Because white people literally didn't enslave them.

Shut the fuck up with this lying ass bullshit.

Kineth, would you kindly be ill-informed and racist elsewhere?

Black people were enslaved by other black people.
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Sad_Face
08/22/17 1:47:11 PM
#101:


Samurontai posted...
How is it denial to point out that it wasn't purely slave labor?


Because your initial point was that it wasn't built upon slave labor in the first place. Then you changed your point to slave labor being a minority of the construction force. And now you're trying to brush off the whole thing to begin. And mind you, you're the one the that pushed this off topic.
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Kineth
08/22/17 1:47:11 PM
#102:


darkjedilink posted...
Kineth posted...
darkjedilink posted...
ImAMarvel posted...
darkjedilink posted...
LordRazziel posted...
Yeah, it was white people that enslaved black people in the U.S.
The title almost implies that we did it because we're white. That would be like me blaming black people, if I got held up by one.

Actually, it was other black people that enslaved black people, then sold them to white people for coffee and sugar.

Why do people act like this excuses centuries of black enslavement by white people?

Because white people literally didn't enslave them.

Shut the fuck up with this lying ass bullshit.

Kineth, would you kindly be ill-informed and racist elsewhere?

Black people were enslaved by other black people.


Not to the level that you're portraying which is one that pretends like there wasn't colonization of Africa happening at the time or that white people were just innocent bystanders.

Please don't project your weaknesses onto me.
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ChromaticAngel
08/22/17 1:47:23 PM
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darkjedilink posted...

Black people were enslaved by other black people.


Black people were hired by white people to enslave black people on their behalf.

Seriously this argument is fucking as loose as saying "Black people weren't slaves in America because there were some who were free."
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VectorChaos
08/22/17 1:47:56 PM
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I love how absolutely incensed the usual suspects get when you start alluding to who originally enslaved black africans and then sold those slaves to white americans/europeans.

It's like their minds cannot physically accept certain facts.
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