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WhoopsyDaisy 08/22/17 5:40:23 PM #102:	Mr Lasastryke posted... trdl23 posted... In theory, yeah, the vast majority of the battles are done. Hoo-rah, go team. wut? "in theory," women in saudi arabia are allowed to drive cars? that's not a feminist issue here because criticizing islam is racist edit: also holy wow this is far from the original topic --- senorhousemouse "I feel like you can't be a real person" - OmarsComin <cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted [p:885257805] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr Lasastryke posted...</cite> <quote><cite>trdl23 posted...</cite> <quote>In theory, yeah, the vast majority of the battles are done. Hoo-rah, go team.</quote> wut? "in theory," women in saudi arabia are allowed to drive cars?</quote> that's not a feminist issue here because criticizing islam is racist edit: also holy wow this is far from the original topic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
trdl23 08/22/17 5:40:45 PM #103:	Mr Lasastryke posted... trdl23 posted... In theory, yeah, the vast majority of the battles are done. Hoo-rah, go team. wut? "in theory," women in saudi arabia are allowed to drive cars? Okay, I'm looking at it from an American lens only. My bad there. --- E come vivo? Vivo! <cite>trdl23 posted [p:885257835] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr Lasastryke posted...</cite> <quote><cite>trdl23 posted...</cite> <quote>In theory, yeah, the vast majority of the battles are done. Hoo-rah, go team.</quote> wut? "in theory," women in saudi arabia are allowed to drive cars?</quote> Okay, I'm looking at it from an American lens only. My bad there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfDiscOne 08/22/17 5:49:59 PM #104:	trdl23 posted... Mr Lasastryke posted... trdl23 posted... In theory, yeah, the vast majority of the battles are done. Hoo-rah, go team. wut? "in theory," women in saudi arabia are allowed to drive cars? Okay, I'm looking at it from an American lens only. My bad there. Well that's what the discussion is about. Most social progressives in America don't care what's going on in Saudi Arabia. They're more concerned about how employees in female dominated fields don't make as much money as those in male dominated fields. --- Ulti was right <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:885258349] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote><cite>trdl23 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr Lasastryke posted...</cite> <quote><cite>trdl23 posted...</cite> <quote>In theory, yeah, the vast majority of the battles are done. Hoo-rah, go team.</quote> wut? "in theory," women in saudi arabia are allowed to drive cars?</quote> Okay, I'm looking at it from an American lens only. My bad there.</quote> Well that's what the discussion is about. Most social progressives in America don't care what's going on in Saudi Arabia. They're more concerned about how employees in female dominated fields don't make as much money as those in male dominated fields.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 08/22/17 5:51:04 PM #105:	I would say that until the pro-life movement is eliminated, women are not equal in America. --- **** Netflix <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:885258422] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote>I would say that until the pro-life movement is eliminated, women are not equal in America.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0r0n 08/22/17 5:54:04 PM #106:	SHM sounds like you're the one who's bringing all the baggage to feminism --- _foolmo_ 2 + 2 = 4 <cite>foolm0r0n posted [p:885258599] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote>SHM sounds like you're the one who's bringing all the baggage to feminism</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 08/22/17 5:55:24 PM #107:	LapisLazuli posted... I would say that until the pro-life movement is eliminated, women are not equal in America. Yeah. I hate that shit. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:885258667] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote><cite>LapisLazuli posted...</cite> <quote>I would say that until the pro-life movement is eliminated, women are not equal in America.</quote> Yeah. I hate that shit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfDiscOne 08/22/17 5:57:22 PM #108:	I'd argue that it's possible to be feminist or at least an "equal rights" supporter and still support the rights of the unborn. --- Ulti was right <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:885258782] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote>I'd argue that it's possible to be feminist or at least an "equal rights" supporter and still support the rights of the unborn.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/22/17 6:17:14 PM #109:	EndOfDiscOne posted... Most social progressives in America don't care what's going on in Saudi Arabia. They're more concerned about how employees in female dominated fields don't make as much money as those in male dominated fields. What makes you say that with such certainty? People invest more effort into causes they might be better able to affect, sure, but that doesn't mean they "don't care" about other ones. Progressives speak out against the Saudi bullshit all the time, but there's nothing we can do because every candidate of every mainstream party supports continuing our crappy relationship with them. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:885259980] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote><cite>EndOfDiscOne posted...</cite> <quote>Most social progressives in America don't care what's going on in Saudi Arabia. They're more concerned about how employees in female dominated fields don't make as much money as those in male dominated fields.</quote> What makes you say that with such certainty? People invest more effort into causes they might be better able to affect, sure, but that doesn't mean they "don't care" about other ones. Progressives speak out against the Saudi bullshit all the time, but there's nothing we can do because every candidate of every mainstream party supports continuing our crappy relationship with them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 08/22/17 6:28:21 PM #110:	foolm0r0n posted... SHM sounds like you're the one who's bringing all the baggage to feminism No kidding --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:885260634] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote><cite>foolm0r0n posted...</cite> <quote>SHM sounds like you're the one who's bringing all the baggage to feminism</quote> No kidding</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhoopsyDaisy 08/22/17 6:35:45 PM #111:	I mean as long as feminism actively supports discriminating against men and white people to achieve "equality" it doesn't need me to bring any more baggage to it --- senorhousemouse "I feel like you can't be a real person" - OmarsComin <cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted [p:885261043] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote>I mean as long as feminism actively supports discriminating against men and white people to achieve "equality" it doesn't need me to bring any more baggage to it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 08/22/17 6:40:58 PM #112:	WhoopsyDaisy posted... I mean as long as feminism actively supports discriminating against men and white people to achieve "equality" it doesn't need me to bring any more baggage to it Again, that's only the lunatics' position --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:885261343] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote>I mean as long as feminism actively supports discriminating against men and white people to achieve "equality" it doesn't need me to bring any more baggage to it</quote> Again, that's only the lunatics' position</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhoopsyDaisy 08/22/17 6:43:13 PM #113:	Not really, if you support affirmative action at all or woman-only or minority-only scholarships you're interested in discriminating against men and white people. Also that stuff isn't not-feminism. You don't get called not-a-feminist for discriminating on the basis of race or gender as long as it's the right races and genders. --- senorhousemouse "I feel like you can't be a real person" - OmarsComin <cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted [p:885261466] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote>Not really, if you support affirmative action at all or woman-only or minority-only scholarships you're interested in discriminating against men and white people. Also that stuff isn't not-feminism. You don't get called not-a-feminist for discriminating on the basis of race or gender as long as it's the right races and genders.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0r0n 08/22/17 6:47:09 PM #114:	I dunno, I have no trouble identifying as feminist while still being politically conservative and rejecting a lot of mainstream feminist movement ideas like mandatory maternity leave and minimum wage and certain speech controls and such. If you have trouble with that stuff then it's your fault. --- _foolmo_ 2 + 2 = 4 <cite>foolm0r0n posted [p:885261674] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote>I dunno, I have no trouble identifying as feminist while still being politically conservative and rejecting a lot of mainstream feminist movement ideas like mandatory maternity leave and minimum wage and certain speech controls and such. If you have trouble with that stuff then it's your fault.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0r0n 08/22/17 6:47:45 PM #115:	WhoopsyDaisy posted... Not really, if you support affirmative action at all or woman-only or minority-only scholarships you're interested in discriminating against men and white people. Like this is a good example. You just don't understand how scholarships work if you believe this, which is your fault. --- _foolmo_ 2 + 2 = 4 <cite>foolm0r0n posted [p:885261701] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote>Not really, if you support affirmative action at all or woman-only or minority-only scholarships you're interested in discriminating against men and white people.</quote> Like this is a good example. You just don't understand how scholarships work if you believe this, which is your fault.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 08/22/17 6:50:01 PM #116:	foolm0r0n posted... I dunno, I have no trouble identifying as feminist while still being politically conservative not really though; you're a left-libertarian. it's impossible to be feminist and right-wing. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:885261812] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote><cite>foolm0r0n posted...</cite> <quote>I dunno, I have no trouble identifying as feminist while still being politically conservative</quote> not really though; you're a left-libertarian. it's impossible to be feminist and right-wing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhoopsyDaisy 08/22/17 6:50:22 PM #117:	jfc it's like when people don't wanna identify as a political party or something Scholarships that have a race or gender requirement are inherently racist or sexist. Unless they don't have even an unofficial race or gender requirement I don't need to know how scholarships work. --- senorhousemouse "I feel like you can't be a real person" - OmarsComin <cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted [p:885261836] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote>jfc it's like when people don't wanna identify as a political party or something Scholarships that have a race or gender requirement are inherently racist or sexist. Unless they don't have even an unofficial race or gender requirement I don't need to know how scholarships work.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 08/22/17 6:55:06 PM #118:	The claim that gender/minority specific scholarships are sexist/racist is very weak. Much weaker than the claim that AA is sexist/racist. --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:885262089] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote>The claim that gender/minority specific scholarships are sexist/racist is very weak. Much weaker than the claim that AA is sexist/racist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhoopsyDaisy 08/22/17 7:00:56 PM #119:	LordoftheMorons posted... The claim that gender/minority specific scholarships are sexist/racist is very weak. Much weaker than the claim that AA is sexist/racist. They are literally closed to members of every single other race or sex. Unless you subscribe to a dumb feminism-based definition of sexism or racism like "power plus oppression" or something it's the very definition of racism or sexism --- senorhousemouse "I feel like you can't be a real person" - OmarsComin <cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted [p:885262398] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>The claim that gender/minority specific scholarships are sexist/racist is very weak. Much weaker than the claim that AA is sexist/racist.</quote> They are literally closed to members of every single other race or sex. Unless you subscribe to a dumb feminism-based definition of sexism or racism like "power plus oppression" or something it's the very definition of racism or sexism</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0r0n 08/22/17 7:04:52 PM #120:	Mr Lasastryke posted... not really though; you're a left-libertarian. it's impossible to be feminist and right-wing. See I see dumb shit like this all the time and it's really easy to just ignore it --- _foolmo_ 2 + 2 = 4 <cite>foolm0r0n posted [p:885262637] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr Lasastryke posted...</cite> <quote>not really though; you're a left-libertarian. it's impossible to be feminist and right-wing.</quote> See I see dumb shit like this all the time and it's really easy to just ignore it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0r0n 08/22/17 7:06:55 PM #121:	WhoopsyDaisy posted... Scholarships that have a race or gender requirement are inherently racist or sexist. Unless they don't have even an unofficial race or gender requirement I don't need to know how scholarships work. It's not like there's a pool of money that could've gone to anyone, and the scholarship people discriminated against white males to limit who could get the money. If the women/minorities weren't getting the money, no one would've, because the entire point of the money is to help women/minorities. That's doesn't even a tiny bit count as discrimination. AA is far more discriminatory because it is forced onto employers, for example. --- _foolmo_ 2 + 2 = 4 <cite>foolm0r0n posted [p:885262720] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote>Scholarships that have a race or gender requirement are inherently racist or sexist. Unless they don't have even an unofficial race or gender requirement I don't need to know how scholarships work.</quote> It's not like there's a pool of money that could've gone to anyone, and the scholarship people discriminated against white males to limit who could get the money. If the women/minorities weren't getting the money, no one would've, because the entire point of the money is to help women/minorities. That's doesn't even a tiny bit count as discrimination. AA is far more discriminatory because it is forced onto employers, for example.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhoopsyDaisy 08/22/17 7:12:16 PM #122:	By overtly giving a privilege to certain people on the basis of their race or gender, and denying that same privilege to others on the basis of their race or gender, race- and gender-specific scholarships discriminate on the basis of race or gender. --- senorhousemouse "I feel like you can't be a real person" - OmarsComin <cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted [p:885263030] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote>By overtly giving a privilege to certain people on the basis of their race or gender, and denying that same privilege to others on the basis of their race or gender, race- and gender-specific scholarships discriminate on the basis of race or gender.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/22/17 7:15:04 PM #123:	BTFO globalists --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:885263173] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote>BTFO globalists</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Not_an_Owl 08/22/17 7:20:22 PM #124:	WhoopsyDaisy posted... By overtly giving a privilege to certain people on the basis of their race or gender, and denying that same privilege to others on the basis of their race or gender, race- and gender-specific scholarships discriminate on the basis of race or gender. I bet you think HBCUs are racist, too. --- Besides, marijuana is far more harmful than steroids. - BlitzBomb I headbang to Bruckner. <cite>Not_an_Owl posted [p:885263451] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote>By overtly giving a privilege to certain people on the basis of their race or gender, and denying that same privilege to others on the basis of their race or gender, race- and gender-specific scholarships discriminate on the basis of race or gender.</quote> I bet you think HBCUs are racist, too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 08/22/17 7:23:21 PM #125:	is HBCU anything like BTFO --- For your BK_Sheikah00. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:885263638] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote>is HBCU anything like BTFO</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhoopsyDaisy 08/22/17 7:24:08 PM #126:	Any time someone holds people to a different standard because of their race, or gives someone extra privileges because of their race, or gives someone extra burdens because of their race, they are being racist. --- senorhousemouse "I feel like you can't be a real person" - OmarsComin <cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted [p:885263681] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote>Any time someone holds people to a different standard because of their race, or gives someone extra privileges because of their race, or gives someone extra burdens because of their race, they are being racist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 08/22/17 7:28:34 PM #127:	I think you're ignoring the relevance of the fact that there are preexisting privileges/burdens based on race/gender working in the opposite direction --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:885263956] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote>I think you're ignoring the relevance of the fact that there are preexisting privileges/burdens based on race/gender working in the opposite direction</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhoopsyDaisy 08/22/17 7:30:57 PM #128:	LordoftheMorons posted... I think you're ignoring the relevance of the fact that there are preexisting privileges/burdens based on race/gender working in the opposite direction See this is where you get into discriminating against people on the basis of their race or gender. At best that's a proxy for a just kind of discrimination, at worst it's just unjust discrimination. --- senorhousemouse "I feel like you can't be a real person" - OmarsComin <cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted [p:885264092] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>I think you're ignoring the relevance of the fact that there are preexisting privileges/burdens based on race/gender working in the opposite direction</quote> See this is where you get into discriminating against people on the basis of their race or gender. At best that's a proxy for a just kind of discrimination, at worst it's just unjust discrimination.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/22/17 7:31:04 PM #129:	MoogleKupo141 posted... is HBCU anything like BTFO Hot & Bothered Cucks Unmasked --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:885264099] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote><cite>MoogleKupo141 posted...</cite> <quote>is HBCU anything like BTFO</quote> Hot & Bothered Cucks Unmasked</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0r0n 08/22/17 7:31:47 PM #130:	WhoopsyDaisy posted... By overtly giving a privilege to certain people on the basis of their race or gender, and denying that same privilege to others on the basis of their race or gender, race- and gender-specific scholarships discriminate on the basis of race or gender. The point is they're not denying you anything. It's either the minority or nothing. You were never in the race, so how could you have been cheated? It's like saying a programming job listing is discriminatory against lawyers because it requires programming skills. --- _foolmo_ 2 + 2 = 4 <cite>foolm0r0n posted [p:885264130] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote>By overtly giving a privilege to certain people on the basis of their race or gender, and denying that same privilege to others on the basis of their race or gender, race- and gender-specific scholarships discriminate on the basis of race or gender.</quote> The point is they're not denying you anything. It's either the minority or nothing. You were never in the race, so how could you have been cheated? It's like saying a programming job listing is discriminatory against lawyers because it requires programming skills.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhoopsyDaisy 08/22/17 7:32:47 PM #131:	foolm0r0n posted... WhoopsyDaisy posted... By overtly giving a privilege to certain people on the basis of their race or gender, and denying that same privilege to others on the basis of their race or gender, race- and gender-specific scholarships discriminate on the basis of race or gender. The point is they're not denying you anything. It's either the minority or nothing. You were never in the race, so how could you have been cheated? It's like saying a programming job listing is discriminatory against lawyers because it requires programming skills. It's like saying a whites-only programming job listing is discriminatory against black people because it requires white skin. They're not denying you anything. It's either the white person or nothing. You were never in the race so how could you have been cheated? edit: Also you can develop programming skill, you can't change your race or gender or sexual orientation. Giving extra stuff to people on the basis of stuff they can't change is wrong. --- senorhousemouse "I feel like you can't be a real person" - OmarsComin <cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted [p:885264186] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote><cite>foolm0r0n posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote>By overtly giving a privilege to certain people on the basis of their race or gender, and denying that same privilege to others on the basis of their race or gender, race- and gender-specific scholarships discriminate on the basis of race or gender.</quote> The point is they're not denying you anything. It's either the minority or nothing. You were never in the race, so how could you have been cheated? It's like saying a programming job listing is discriminatory against lawyers because it requires programming skills.</quote> It's like saying a whites-only programming job listing is discriminatory against black people because it requires white skin. They're not denying you anything. It's either the white person or nothing. You were never in the race so how could you have been cheated? edit: Also you can develop programming skill, you can't change your race or gender or sexual orientation. Giving extra stuff to people on the basis of stuff they can't change is wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0r0n 08/22/17 7:44:21 PM #132:	WhoopsyDaisy posted... It's like saying a whites-only programming job listing is discriminatory against black people because it requires white skin. Ah see but if no whites applied to that programming job, they still need a programmer. That business requirement doesn't magically go away. The business would be forced to fill the requirement somehow. Minorities are inherently in the race in that sense (i.e. at the bottom of the list, but still on the list). Not so with a scholarship. It exists ONLY to help whatever specific group it is trying to target (whether it be race, gender, country, research topic, test scores, artists, athletes - all of which are very common scholarship targets). If no one from their target group wants the scholarship then... there's no need for the scholarship. It totally vanishes. Ultimately getting rid of all race/gender based scholarships is the goal in that sense. --- _foolmo_ 2 + 2 = 4 <cite>foolm0r0n posted [p:885264794] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote>It's like saying a whites-only programming job listing is discriminatory against black people because it requires white skin.</quote> Ah see but if no whites applied to that programming job, they still need a programmer. That business requirement doesn't magically go away. The business would be forced to fill the requirement somehow. Minorities are inherently in the race in that sense (i.e. at the bottom of the list, but still on the list). Not so with a scholarship. It exists ONLY to help whatever specific group it is trying to target (whether it be race, gender, country, research topic, test scores, artists, athletes - all of which are very common scholarship targets). If no one from their target group wants the scholarship then... there's no need for the scholarship. It totally vanishes. Ultimately getting rid of all race/gender based scholarships is the goal in that sense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/22/17 7:47:15 PM #133:	WhoopsyDaisy posted... Giving extra stuff to people on the basis of stuff they can't change is wrong. Are you anti-handicap parking spots? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:885264960] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote>Giving extra stuff to people on the basis of stuff they can't change is wrong.</quote> Are you anti-handicap parking spots?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0r0n 08/22/17 7:51:01 PM #134:	foolm0r0n posted... The business would be forced to fill the requirement somehow. Minorities are inherently in the race in that sense (i.e. at the bottom of the list, but still on the list). To be clear this isn't random speculation, this is literally how minorities/women across history have gone from being completely banned from entire industries to very strongly represented. --- _foolmo_ 2 + 2 = 4 <cite>foolm0r0n posted [p:885265181] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote><cite>foolm0r0n posted...</cite> <quote>The business would be forced to fill the requirement somehow. Minorities are inherently in the race in that sense (i.e. at the bottom of the list, but still on the list).</quote> To be clear this isn't random speculation, this is literally how minorities/women across history have gone from being completely banned from entire industries to very strongly represented.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhoopsyDaisy 08/22/17 7:52:32 PM #135:	foolm0r0n posted... WhoopsyDaisy posted... It's like saying a whites-only programming job listing is discriminatory against black people because it requires white skin. Ah see but if no whites applied to that programming job, they still need a programmer. That business requirement doesn't magically go away. The business would be forced to fill the requirement somehow. Minorities are inherently in the race in that sense (i.e. at the bottom of the list, but still on the list). Not so with a scholarship. It exists ONLY to help whatever specific group it is trying to target (whether it be race, gender, country, research topic, test scores, artists, athletes - all of which are very common scholarship targets). If no one from their target group wants the scholarship then... there's no need for the scholarship. It totally vanishes. Ultimately getting rid of all race/gender based scholarships is the goal in that sense. Maybe the company doesn't really need a programmer and it's just a community outreach thing to help white people. Would you object to white-only or male-only scholarships? I've been working under the assumption that you're unequally okay with race- and gender-specific scholarships, which is discriminatory. I still think it's discriminatory if you're okay with all race- and gender-based scholarships but at least it's consistent. Jakyl25 posted... WhoopsyDaisy posted... Giving extra stuff to people on the basis of stuff they can't change is wrong. Are you anti-handicap parking spots? it's pretty insulting to suggest that women and minorities are so incapable that they have a literal handicap --- senorhousemouse "I feel like you can't be a real person" - OmarsComin <cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted [p:885265265] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote><cite>foolm0r0n posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote>It's like saying a whites-only programming job listing is discriminatory against black people because it requires white skin.</quote> Ah see but if no whites applied to that programming job, they still need a programmer. That business requirement doesn't magically go away. The business would be forced to fill the requirement somehow. Minorities are inherently in the race in that sense (i.e. at the bottom of the list, but still on the list). Not so with a scholarship. It exists ONLY to help whatever specific group it is trying to target (whether it be race, gender, country, research topic, test scores, artists, athletes - all of which are very common scholarship targets). If no one from their target group wants the scholarship then... there's no need for the scholarship. It totally vanishes. Ultimately getting rid of all race/gender based scholarships is the goal in that sense.</quote> Maybe the company doesn't really need a programmer and it's just a community outreach thing to help white people. Would you object to white-only or male-only scholarships? I've been working under the assumption that you're unequally okay with race- and gender-specific scholarships, which is discriminatory. I still think it's discriminatory if you're okay with all race- and gender-based scholarships but at least it's consistent. <cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote>Giving extra stuff to people on the basis of stuff they can't change is wrong.</quote> Are you anti-handicap parking spots?</quote> it's pretty insulting to suggest that women and minorities are so incapable that they have a literal handicap</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/22/17 8:02:39 PM #136:	WhoopsyDaisy posted... it's pretty insulting to suggest that women and minorities are so incapable that they have a literal handicap It's not that they are incapable, it's just that the system wasn't built with them in mind. Just like handicapped people. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:885265858] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote>it's pretty insulting to suggest that women and minorities are so incapable that they have a literal handicap</quote> It's not that they are incapable, it's just that the system wasn't built with them in mind. Just like handicapped people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/22/17 8:04:43 PM #137:	WhoopsyDaisy posted... Would you object to white-only or male-only scholarships? There are plenty of male-only scholarships White-only is rarer but it happens. Milo tried to set one up but last I heard he absconded with the money for himself instead --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:885265996] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote>Would you object to white-only or male-only scholarships? </quote> There are plenty of male-only scholarships White-only is rarer but it happens. Milo tried to set one up but last I heard he absconded with the money for himself instead</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0r0n 08/22/17 8:16:08 PM #138:	WhoopsyDaisy posted... Maybe the company doesn't really need a programmer and it's just a community outreach thing to help white people. Okay then, that's just like a scholarship then and not discrimination --- _foolmo_ 2 + 2 = 4 <cite>foolm0r0n posted [p:885266711] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe the company doesn't really need a programmer and it's just a community outreach thing to help white people. </quote> Okay then, that's just like a scholarship then and not discrimination</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0r0n 08/22/17 8:19:27 PM #139:	WhoopsyDaisy posted... Would you object to white-only or male-only scholarships? If it's their money I personally don't really care what they do with it. But in terms of social value, if whites and males are the majorly privileged classes like they are in our society, then it's a moot point, doesn't really change anything (which is the purpose of a scholarship). It would just be if you want to make a point about white/male supremacy or something, which I obviously think is dumb as hell. This might apply to the whites-only programmer scholarship too. --- _foolmo_ 2 + 2 = 4 <cite>foolm0r0n posted [p:885266898] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote>Would you object to white-only or male-only scholarships?</quote> If it's their money I personally don't really care what they do with it. But in terms of social value, if whites and males are the majorly privileged classes like they are in our society, then it's a moot point, doesn't really change anything (which is the purpose of a scholarship). It would just be if you want to make a point about white/male supremacy or something, which I obviously think is dumb as hell. This might apply to the whites-only programmer scholarship too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhoopsyDaisy 08/23/17 9:16:55 AM #140:	Jakyl25 posted... WhoopsyDaisy posted... it's pretty insulting to suggest that women and minorities are so incapable that they have a literal handicap It's not that they are incapable, it's just that the system wasn't built with them in mind. Just like handicapped people. The "system" is race- and gender-agnostic. There's no way to actually "fix" it without just discriminating in favor of women and minorities, which is not fair and harms white men. Handicapped people are actually incapable of doing certain things, while people of certain races and (usually) genders are not. A person in a wheelchair can't walk up the stairs because they actually can't walk. There's nothing inherent in being a woman or a minority that makes you less capable, unless it's for something like modeling or acting or whatever. foolm0r0n posted... WhoopsyDaisy posted... Would you object to white-only or male-only scholarships? If it's their money I personally don't really care what they do with it. But in terms of social value, if whites and males are the majorly privileged classes like they are in our society, then it's a moot point, doesn't really change anything (which is the purpose of a scholarship). It would just be if you want to make a point about white/male supremacy or something, which I obviously think is dumb as hell. This might apply to the whites-only programmer scholarship too. Well at least we agree that it would be dumb. https://firedfortruth.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/image.png?w=415&h=303 There are plenty of disadvantaged white people and plenty of rich black people. The poor white person is in more need of a leg up than the rich black person. And giving either one of them a leg up on the basis of their race is wrong because there's nothing they can do to earn that. (also Asians have more privilege than white people on average, if you look at income, 2-parent households, crime victimization, lifespan, education....) (it's still wrong to "fix" that "problem" with race-based discrimination) --- senorhousemouse "I feel like you can't be a real person" - OmarsComin <cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted [p:885296039] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote>it's pretty insulting to suggest that women and minorities are so incapable that they have a literal handicap</quote> It's not that they are incapable, it's just that the system wasn't built with them in mind. Just like handicapped people.</quote> The "system" is race- and gender-agnostic. There's no way to actually "fix" it without just discriminating in favor of women and minorities, which is not fair and harms white men. Handicapped people are actually incapable of doing certain things, while people of certain races and (usually) genders are not. A person in a wheelchair can't walk up the stairs because they actually can't walk. There's nothing inherent in being a woman or a minority that makes you less capable, unless it's for something like modeling or acting or whatever. <cite>foolm0r0n posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote>Would you object to white-only or male-only scholarships?</quote> If it's their money I personally don't really care what they do with it. But in terms of social value, if whites and males are the majorly privileged classes like they are in our society, then it's a moot point, doesn't really change anything (which is the purpose of a scholarship). It would just be if you want to make a point about white/male supremacy or something, which I obviously think is dumb as hell. This might apply to the whites-only programmer scholarship too.</quote> Well at least we agree that it would be dumb. https://firedfortruth.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/image.png?w=415&h=303 There are plenty of disadvantaged white people and plenty of rich black people. The poor white person is in more need of a leg up than the rich black person. And giving either one of them a leg up on the basis of their race is wrong because there's nothing they can do to earn that. (also Asians have more privilege than white people on average, if you look at income, 2-parent households, crime victimization, lifespan, education....) (it's still wrong to "fix" that "problem" with race-based discrimination)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/23/17 9:35:00 AM #141:	WhoopsyDaisy posted... The "system" is race- and gender-agnostic. Ummm....no? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:885296774] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote>The "system" is race- and gender-agnostic.</quote> Ummm....no?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/23/17 9:37:40 AM #142:	Also I specifically used handicap parking spots for a reason. Not things that literally change whether a building is handicap-accessible or not. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:885296893] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote>Also I specifically used handicap parking spots for a reason. Not things that literally change whether a building is handicap-accessible or not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhoopsyDaisy 08/23/17 9:41:27 AM #143:	Jakyl25 posted... WhoopsyDaisy posted... The "system" is race- and gender-agnostic. Ummm....no? well that's true it privileges women and minorities by providing them with special protections --- senorhousemouse "I feel like you can't be a real person" - OmarsComin <cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted [p:885297066] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote>The "system" is race- and gender-agnostic.</quote> Ummm....no?</quote> well that's true it privileges women and minorities by providing them with special protections</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0r0n 08/23/17 9:43:02 AM #144:	WhoopsyDaisy posted... The poor white person is in more need of a leg up than the rich black person. Because they are white? --- _foolmo_ 2 + 2 = 4 <cite>foolm0r0n posted [p:885297131] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote>The poor white person is in more need of a leg up than the rich black person. </quote> Because they are white?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/23/17 9:46:33 AM #145:	WhoopsyDaisy posted... Jakyl25 posted... WhoopsyDaisy posted... The "system" is race- and gender-agnostic. Ummm....no? well that's true it privileges women and minorities by providing them with special protections And yet white men are still on top --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:885297304] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote>The "system" is race- and gender-agnostic.</quote> Ummm....no?</quote> well that's true it privileges women and minorities by providing them with special protections</quote> And yet white men are still on top</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Espeon 08/23/17 9:47:07 AM #146:	Okay, I just wanna be clear about something. WhoopsyDaisy is the guy who used to brag about giving guys HIV, right? --- Inviso's Most Adorabl-est Eeveelution Ever http://i.imgur.com/SSw6M9E.gif <cite>Espeon posted [p:885297332] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote>Okay, I just wanna be clear about something. WhoopsyDaisy is the guy who used to brag about giving guys HIV, right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhoopsyDaisy 08/23/17 9:48:52 AM #147:	Jakyl25 posted... WhoopsyDaisy posted... Jakyl25 posted... WhoopsyDaisy posted... The "system" is race- and gender-agnostic. Ummm....no? well that's true it privileges women and minorities by providing them with special protections And yet white men are still on top No, Asian men are. And that isn't a problem. It's just the way it worked out. Espeon posted... Okay, I just wanna be clear about something. WhoopsyDaisy is the guy who used to brag about giving guys HIV, right? I have HIV. I don't intentionally give it to people and I wouldn't ever brag about it. --- senorhousemouse "I feel like you can't be a real person" - OmarsComin <cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted [p:885297403] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote>The "system" is race- and gender-agnostic.</quote> Ummm....no?</quote> well that's true it privileges women and minorities by providing them with special protections</quote> And yet white men are still on top</quote> No, Asian men are. And that isn't a problem. It's just the way it worked out. <cite>Espeon posted...</cite> <quote>Okay, I just wanna be clear about something. WhoopsyDaisy is the guy who used to brag about giving guys HIV, right?</quote> I have HIV. I don't intentionally give it to people and I wouldn't ever brag about it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 08/23/17 10:03:13 AM #148:	WhoopsyDaisy posted... There are plenty of disadvantaged white people and plenty of rich black people. The poor white person is in more need of a leg up than the rich black person. And giving either one of them a leg up on the basis of their race is wrong because there's nothing they can do to earn that. Hence, income - based government assistance. But many politicians rely on the caricature of the welfare queen who is black with numerous kids and sugar daddies to drum up support for cutting government assistance to the poor. You're talking from a place of theory without even caring about what reality is. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:885298000] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote>There are plenty of disadvantaged white people and plenty of rich black people. The poor white person is in more need of a leg up than the rich black person. And giving either one of them a leg up on the basis of their race is wrong because there's nothing they can do to earn that.</quote> Hence, income - based government assistance. But many politicians rely on the caricature of the welfare queen who is black with numerous kids and sugar daddies to drum up support for cutting government assistance to the poor. You're talking from a place of theory without even caring about what reality is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 08/23/17 10:27:57 AM #149:	This topic has gone off the rails. Let's go back to making fun of vlado for being such a silly goose... --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:885299093] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote>This topic has gone off the rails. Let's go back to making fun of vlado for being such a silly goose...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/23/17 10:31:16 AM #150:	WhoopsyDaisy posted... No, Asian men are. And that isn't a problem. It's just the way it worked out. By "on top" I mean the ones with power to shape and mold the system to their benefit --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:885299254] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted...</cite> <quote>No, Asian men are. And that isn't a problem. It's just the way it worked out.</quote> By "on top" I mean the ones with power to shape and mold the system to their benefit</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Snrkiko 08/23/17 10:52:12 AM #151:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... This topic has gone off the rails. Let's go back to making fun of vlado for being such a silly goose... --- ...Snrk. And theeen, we do stuff like, 'Persona!' with our Personas and beat the crap outta Shadows... <cite>Snrkiko posted [p:885300174] in "Whit... [t:75693852]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>This topic has gone off the rails. Let's go back to making fun of vlado for being such a silly goose...</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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