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Antifar 08/21/17 6:33:20 PM #103:	There are legitimate critiques to be lobbed at Democrats when it comes to race and identity politics! But it's hard to make them while sitting under the GOP's tent. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:885197996] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote>There are legitimate critiques to be lobbed at Democrats when it comes to race and identity politics! But it's hard to make them while sitting under the GOP's tent.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sephiroth1288 08/21/17 6:34:19 PM #105:	Antifar posted... Is it purely coincidence, in your mind, that laws claiming to be about a non-existent voter fraud problem You keep saying this like it's unquestionably true. Like the systems in place that are woefully incapable of identifying competent voter fraud not finding much voter fraud means there's no cause for concern. Do you really not see the little flaw in this logic here? Antifar posted... tend to have the effect of making it more difficult for Democratic-leaning minority groups to vote? I dunno, is it purely a coincidence in your mind that traffic laws cause more men to get speeding tickets? Obviously the lawmakers are sexists! Antifar posted... There are legitimate critiques to be lobbed at Democrats when it comes to race and identity politics! But it's hard to make them while sitting under the GOP's tent. I literally never voted for the GOP. Always 3rd party. If my vote doesn't matter in the end, I'd prefer to vote on ideological grounds. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:885198052] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>Is it purely coincidence, in your mind, that laws claiming to be about a non-existent voter fraud problem</quote> You keep saying this like it's unquestionably true. Like the systems in place that are woefully incapable of identifying competent voter fraud not finding much voter fraud means there's no cause for concern. Do you really not see the little flaw in this logic here? <cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>tend to have the effect of making it more difficult for Democratic-leaning minority groups to vote?</quote> I dunno, is it purely a coincidence in your mind that traffic laws cause more men to get speeding tickets? Obviously the lawmakers are sexists! <cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>There are legitimate critiques to be lobbed at Democrats when it comes to race and identity politics! But it's hard to make them while sitting under the GOP's tent.</quote> I literally never voted for the GOP. Always 3rd party. If my vote doesn't matter in the end, I'd prefer to vote on ideological grounds.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
3rd_Best_Master 08/21/17 6:36:24 PM #106:	Sephiroth1288 posted... I dunno, is it purely a coincidence that traffic laws cause more men to get speeding tickets? Obviously the lawmakers are sexists! Are men speeding more than women or are the laws enforced in a way that singles out men? Are black people doing drugs more than white people or are the laws being enforced in a way that singles out black people? --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2.2 <cite>3rd_Best_Master posted [p:885198157] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>I dunno, is it purely a coincidence that traffic laws cause more men to get speeding tickets? Obviously the lawmakers are sexists!</quote> Are men speeding more than women or are the laws enforced in a way that singles out men? Are black people doing drugs more than white people or are the laws being enforced in a way that singles out black people?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kim Kusanagi 08/21/17 6:38:16 PM #107:	Friendly reminder that Mal Fet says he's not a trumpanzee --- Live to train. Train to fight. Fight to live. When you retire, think only on fighting. Take me away, I don't mind, but you better promise I'll be back in time! <cite>Kim Kusanagi posted [p:885198270] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote>Friendly reminder that Mal Fet says he's not a trumpanzee</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 08/21/17 6:39:14 PM #108:	Sephiroth1288 posted... I dunno, is it purely a coincidence that traffic laws cause more men to get speeding tickets? Obviously the lawmakers are sexists! Those traffic laws have a clear public safety impetus: people die in car accidents regularly. No such proof has ever been provided for the claim that voter fraud is a widespread problem in the US, even from GOP-led studies and investigations. http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/why-republicans-cant-find-the-big-voter-fraud-conspiracy-214972 Ashcroft commissioned the nation’s 93 U.S. attorneys to make voting fraud a priority of their offices. Over the next four years, those prosecutors launched more than 300 investigations. But in the end, the government had little to show for it. On July 26, 2006, the day before Bush signed a renewal of the Voting Rights Act, the Justice Department released a fact sheet summarizing the Voting Integrity Initiative’s accomplishments. Federal prosecutors had charged 119 people with election crimes and convicted just 86. The worst examples were vote-buying schemes in eastern Kentucky and West Virginia that helped keep local politicians in power. Cases that had fixated GOP officials—like the “major criminal enterprise” in St. Louis—were not substantiated. Instead, most of the cases involved individuals who had cast a single ballot that they shouldn’t have, or hadn’t even voted at all but simply had registered improperly. Some of them went to prison. At least one person was deported. The targets that ended up getting the most attention weren’t the alleged fraudsters but the handful of U.S. attorneys who didn’t push hard enough for prosecutions and were forced to resign. “It’s remarkable that all of the U.S. attorneys had a mandate and were given adequate resources to raise this to the top of the pile,” says David Becker, who was a trial attorney in the voting section of the Justice Department until 2005 and is now executive director of the Center for Election Innovation and Research. “They all agree we found a handful of cases … and that was it.” Furthermore, I'm finding it hard to think of a possible incentive for disproportionately male legislatures to discriminate intentionally against men. Whereas clearly Republicans have an incentive to make it harder for Democrats to vote. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:885198313] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>I dunno, is it purely a coincidence that traffic laws cause more men to get speeding tickets? Obviously the lawmakers are sexists! </quote> Those traffic laws have a clear public safety impetus: people die in car accidents regularly. No such proof has ever been provided for the claim that voter fraud is a widespread problem in the US, even from GOP-led studies and investigations. http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/why-republicans-cant-find-the-big-voter-fraud-conspiracy-214972 <quote>Ashcroft commissioned the nation’s 93 U.S. attorneys to make voting fraud a priority of their offices. Over the next four years, those prosecutors launched more than 300 investigations. But in the end, the government had little to show for it. On July 26, 2006, the day before Bush signed a renewal of the Voting Rights Act, the Justice Department released a fact sheet summarizing the Voting Integrity Initiative’s accomplishments. Federal prosecutors had charged 119 people with election crimes and convicted just 86. The worst examples were vote-buying schemes in eastern Kentucky and West Virginia that helped keep local politicians in power. Cases that had fixated GOP officials—like the “major criminal enterprise” in St. Louis—were not substantiated. Instead, most of the cases involved individuals who had cast a single ballot that they shouldn’t have, or hadn’t even voted at all but simply had registered improperly. Some of them went to prison. At least one person was deported. The targets that ended up getting the most attention weren’t the alleged fraudsters but the handful of U.S. attorneys who didn’t push hard enough for prosecutions and were forced to resign. “It’s remarkable that all of the U.S. attorneys had a mandate and were given adequate resources to raise this to the top of the pile,” says David Becker, who was a trial attorney in the voting section of the Justice Department until 2005 and is now executive director of the Center for Election Innovation and Research. “They all agree we found a handful of cases … and that was it.”</quote> Furthermore, I'm finding it hard to think of a possible incentive for disproportionately male legislatures to discriminate intentionally against men. Whereas clearly Republicans have an incentive to make it harder for Democrats to vote.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ManSpread 08/21/17 6:40:08 PM #109:	Antifar posted... Doom_Art posted... What's the quote, out of curiosity? There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil. It is idle to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it is a greater evil to the white than to the colored race. While my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more deeply engaged for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, physically, and socially. The painful discipline they are undergoing is necessary for their further instruction as a race, and will prepare them, I hope, for better things. How long their servitude may be necessary is known and ordered by a merciful Providence. tee hee --- http://i.imgur.com/7PDx6Ff.jpg http://i.imgur.com/WStMw87.gif http://i.imgur.com/aer0vok.gif http://i.imgur.com/hMt3DpQ.png <cite>ManSpread posted [p:885198363] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>What's the quote, out of curiosity? </quote> <quote>There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil. It is idle to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it is a greater evil to the white than to the colored race. While my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more deeply engaged for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, physically, and socially. The painful discipline they are undergoing is necessary for their further instruction as a race, and will prepare them, I hope, for better things. How long their servitude may be necessary is known and ordered by a merciful Providence.</quote></quote> tee hee</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 08/21/17 6:41:21 PM #110:	3rd_Best_Master posted... Are men speeding more than women or are the laws enforced in a way that singles out men? Antifar posted... There's nothing in traffic legislation that singles out male speeders. And yet, the traffic laws have disproportionately fallen on male drivers. Color blind laws don't have color blind impacts. Likewise, if it's known that men, for whatever reason, are less likely to use their turning signal, or stop completely at a stop sign, or follow the speed limit, they can be discriminatory without just saying "men can't drive" which would never fly. 3rd_Best_Master posted... Are black people doing drugs more than white people or are the laws being enforced in a way that singles out black people? Actually, this is an interesting case: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/09/30/white-people-are-more-likely-to-deal-drugs-but-black-people-are-more-likely-to-get-arrested-for-it/ This partly reflects racial differences in the drug markets in black and white communities. In poor black neighborhoods, drugs tend to be sold outdoors, in the open. In white neighborhoods, by contrast, drug transactions typically happen indoors, often between friends and acquaintances. If you sell drugs outside, you're much more likely to get caught. So the answer to your question is "no" on both counts. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:885198438] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote><cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote>Are men speeding more than women or are the laws enforced in a way that singles out men? </quote> <cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>There's nothing in traffic legislation that singles out male speeders. And yet, the traffic laws have disproportionately fallen on male drivers. Color blind laws don't have color blind impacts. Likewise, if it's known that men, for whatever reason, are less likely to use their turning signal, or stop completely at a stop sign, or follow the speed limit, they can be discriminatory without just saying "men can't drive" which would never fly.</quote> <cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote>Are black people doing drugs more than white people or are the laws being enforced in a way that singles out black people?</quote> Actually, this is an interesting case: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/09/30/white-people-are-more-likely-to-deal-drugs-but-black-people-are-more-likely-to-get-arrested-for-it/ This partly reflects racial differences in the drug markets in black and white communities. In poor black neighborhoods, drugs tend to be sold outdoors, in the open. In white neighborhoods, by contrast, drug transactions typically happen indoors, often between friends and acquaintances. If you sell drugs outside, you're much more likely to get caught. So the answer to your question is "no" on both counts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YourAlt 08/21/17 6:44:14 PM #111:	Kim Kusanagi posted... Friendly reminder that Mal Fet says he's not a trumpanzee That's because he is a liar. --- I was Amputation Currently playing: Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE, Final Fantasy 15, Breath Of The Wild, Overwatch <cite>YourAlt posted [p:885198628] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kim Kusanagi posted...</cite> <quote>Friendly reminder that Mal Fet says he's not a trumpanzee</quote> That's because he is a liar.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 08/21/17 6:46:31 PM #112:	Antifar posted... those prosecutors launched more than 300 investigations. But in the end, the government had little to show for it. On July 26, 2006, the day before Bush signed a renewal of the Voting Rights Act, the Justice Department released a fact sheet summarizing the Voting Integrity Initiative’s accomplishments. Federal prosecutors had charged 119 people with election crimes and convicted just 86. In 300 investigations they found 86 cases of voter fraud? 30% of them were legit? Wow, imagine how many they may find if there were voter ID laws that could make tracking such fraud more effective. Antifar posted... Furthermore, I'm finding it hard to think of a possible incentive for disproportionately male legislatures to discriminate intentionally against men. Whereas clearly Republicans have an incentive to make it harder for Democrats to vote. Hey, men are more likely to vote Republican than women are. By your logic then, Democrats are trying to quash the male vote with speed limit laws. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:885198775] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote> those prosecutors launched more than 300 investigations. But in the end, the government had little to show for it. On July 26, 2006, the day before Bush signed a renewal of the Voting Rights Act, the Justice Department released a fact sheet summarizing the Voting Integrity Initiative’s accomplishments. Federal prosecutors had charged 119 people with election crimes and convicted just 86. </quote> In 300 investigations they found 86 cases of voter fraud? 30% of them were legit? Wow, imagine how many they may find if there were voter ID laws that could make tracking such fraud more effective. <cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>Furthermore, I'm finding it hard to think of a possible incentive for disproportionately male legislatures to discriminate intentionally against men. Whereas clearly Republicans have an incentive to make it harder for Democrats to vote.</quote> Hey, men are more likely to vote Republican than women are. By your logic then, Democrats are trying to quash the male vote with speed limit laws.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 08/21/17 6:47:56 PM #113:	Sephiroth1288 posted... In 300 investigations they found 86 cases of voter fraud? 30% of them were legit? These investigations were largely alleging widescale voter fraud, including a supposed ring of it in St. Louis. They weren't 300 investigations for 300 individuals. In the summer of 2004, a 13-year-old boy from Albuquerque received a voter registration card in the mail. His father reported it to the sheriff, who traced it to a forged application form. The ACORN worker who allegedly filled out the form had been paid to register people to vote%u2014the more registration cards she collected, the more money she would earn. She had been fired three months earlier, but Republican leaders demanded Iglesias investigate. He didn%u2019t balk. %u201CI was a true believer,%u201D he says now. %u201CI genuinely believed, based on the coverage of the local media, that there were prosecutable cases.%u201D In September 2004, he convened a bipartisan task force, including the New Mexico secretary of state and the FBI, to investigate election fraud. He held a news conference and announced a toll-free number for people to phone in tips. Over the next year, the task force received more than 100 complaints%u2014none of which were what you would call federal crimes. %u201CThings like stealing yard signs, getting voter registration forms that you didn%u2019t ask for,%u201D Iglesias recalls. By the fall of 2005, the case of the ACORN worker and the 13-year-old was the only one that appeared to have any promise at all. Iglesias discussed the evidence with the FBI and ran it by the voter fraud expert in the Justice Department%u2019s Washington office. Iglesias knew that to win in federal court, he would have to prove the ACORN worker had intended to influence the outcome of an election. But the evidence indicated she was just doing it for the money. %u201CI knew my ethical obligation was to not file weak cases,%u201D he says. He declined to press charges. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:885198857] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>In 300 investigations they found 86 cases of voter fraud? 30% of them were legit? </quote> These investigations were largely alleging widescale voter fraud, including a supposed ring of it in St. Louis. They weren't 300 investigations for 300 individuals. <quote>In the summer of 2004, a 13-year-old boy from Albuquerque received a voter registration card in the mail. His father reported it to the sheriff, who traced it to a forged application form. The ACORN worker who allegedly filled out the form had been paid to register people to vote%u2014the more registration cards she collected, the more money she would earn. She had been fired three months earlier, but Republican leaders demanded Iglesias investigate. He didn%u2019t balk. %u201CI was a true believer,%u201D he says now. %u201CI genuinely believed, based on the coverage of the local media, that there were prosecutable cases.%u201D In September 2004, he convened a bipartisan task force, including the New Mexico secretary of state and the FBI, to investigate election fraud. He held a news conference and announced a toll-free number for people to phone in tips. Over the next year, the task force received more than 100 complaints%u2014none of which were what you would call federal crimes. %u201CThings like stealing yard signs, getting voter registration forms that you didn%u2019t ask for,%u201D Iglesias recalls. By the fall of 2005, the case of the ACORN worker and the 13-year-old was the only one that appeared to have any promise at all. Iglesias discussed the evidence with the FBI and ran it by the voter fraud expert in the Justice Department%u2019s Washington office. Iglesias knew that to win in federal court, he would have to prove the ACORN worker had intended to influence the outcome of an election. But the evidence indicated she was just doing it for the money. %u201CI knew my ethical obligation was to not file weak cases,%u201D he says. He declined to press charges.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bishop9800 08/21/17 6:49:56 PM #114:	Sephiroth1288 posted... Are you suggesting that I want statues of black people taken down? Given the chance, I bet you would --- I don't have to insult you. I have proven that you are a hypocrite and a fool. That's not insulting you, that's exposing you. PSN-Bishop9800 <cite>Bishop9800 posted [p:885198976] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Are you suggesting that I want statues of black people taken down?</quote> Given the chance, I bet you would</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kim Kusanagi 08/21/17 6:50:53 PM #115:	YourAlt posted... Kim Kusanagi posted... Friendly reminder that Mal Fet says he's not a trumpanzee That's because he is a liar. I know, but I like to see his sad denials. --- Live to train. Train to fight. Fight to live. When you retire, think only on fighting. Take me away, I don't mind, but you better promise I'll be back in time! <cite>Kim Kusanagi posted [p:885199022] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote><cite>YourAlt posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kim Kusanagi posted...</cite> <quote>Friendly reminder that Mal Fet says he's not a trumpanzee</quote> That's because he is a liar.</quote> I know, but I like to see his sad denials.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gamepimp12 08/21/17 6:51:01 PM #116:	Sephiroth1288 posted... 3rd_Best_Master posted... Are men speeding more than women or are the laws enforced in a way that singles out men? Antifar posted... There's nothing in traffic legislation that singles out male speeders. And yet, the traffic laws have disproportionately fallen on male drivers. Color blind laws don't have color blind impacts. Likewise, if it's known that men, for whatever reason, are less likely to use their turning signal, or stop completely at a stop sign, or follow the speed limit, they can be discriminatory without just saying "men can't drive" which would never fly. 3rd_Best_Master posted... Are black people doing drugs more than white people or are the laws being enforced in a way that singles out black people? Actually, this is an interesting case: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/09/30/white-people-are-more-likely-to-deal-drugs-but-black-people-are-more-likely-to-get-arrested-for-it/ This partly reflects racial differences in the drug markets in black and white communities. In poor black neighborhoods, drugs tend to be sold outdoors, in the open. In white neighborhoods, by contrast, drug transactions typically happen indoors, often between friends and acquaintances. If you sell drugs outside, you're much more likely to get caught. So the answer to your question is "no" on both counts. No one stands on the corner to sell anything but crack. Just like no one sells pussy on the corner anymore --- we rich now but used to be slaves,we pushing whips now we used to be whipped,rockin chains when we used to be in 'em <cite>gamepimp12 posted [p:885199029] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote>Are men speeding more than women or are the laws enforced in a way that singles out men? </quote> <cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>There's nothing in traffic legislation that singles out male speeders. And yet, the traffic laws have disproportionately fallen on male drivers. Color blind laws don't have color blind impacts. Likewise, if it's known that men, for whatever reason, are less likely to use their turning signal, or stop completely at a stop sign, or follow the speed limit, they can be discriminatory without just saying "men can't drive" which would never fly.</quote> <cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote>Are black people doing drugs more than white people or are the laws being enforced in a way that singles out black people?</quote> Actually, this is an interesting case: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/09/30/white-people-are-more-likely-to-deal-drugs-but-black-people-are-more-likely-to-get-arrested-for-it/ This partly reflects racial differences in the drug markets in black and white communities. In poor black neighborhoods, drugs tend to be sold outdoors, in the open. In white neighborhoods, by contrast, drug transactions typically happen indoors, often between friends and acquaintances. If you sell drugs outside, you're much more likely to get caught. So the answer to your question is "no" on both counts.</quote> No one stands on the corner to sell anything but crack. Just like no one sells pussy on the corner anymore</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 08/21/17 6:51:49 PM #117:	Antifar posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... In 300 investigations they found 86 cases of voter fraud? 30% of them were legit? These investigations were largely alleging widescale voter fraud, including a supposed ring of it in St. Louis. They weren't 300 investigations for 300 individuals. The individuals convicted were the ones behind voter fraud schemes. It wasn't just 86 fraudulent votes; these were people facilitating wide-scale voter fraud. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:885199068] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>In 300 investigations they found 86 cases of voter fraud? 30% of them were legit? </quote> These investigations were largely alleging widescale voter fraud, including a supposed ring of it in St. Louis. They weren't 300 investigations for 300 individuals.</quote> The individuals convicted were the ones behind voter fraud schemes. It wasn't just 86 fraudulent votes; these were people facilitating wide-scale voter fraud.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 08/21/17 6:56:41 PM #118:	Sephiroth1288 posted... The individuals convicted were the ones behind voter fraud schemes. It wasn't just 86 fraudulent votes; these were people facilitating wide-scale voter fraud. Read again The worst examples were vote-buying schemes in eastern Kentucky and West Virginia that helped keep local politicians in power. Cases that had fixated GOP officials—like the “major criminal enterprise” in St. Louis—were not substantiated. Instead, most of the cases involved individuals who had cast a single ballot that they shouldn’t have, or hadn’t even voted at all but simply had registered improperly. Some of them went to prison. At least one person was deported. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:885199305] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>The individuals convicted were the ones behind voter fraud schemes. It wasn't just 86 fraudulent votes; these were people facilitating wide-scale voter fraud. </quote> Read again <quote>The worst examples were vote-buying schemes in eastern Kentucky and West Virginia that helped keep local politicians in power. Cases that had fixated GOP officials—like the “major criminal enterprise” in St. Louis—were not substantiated. Instead, most of the cases involved individuals who had cast a single ballot that they shouldn’t have, or hadn’t even voted at all but simply had registered improperly. Some of them went to prison. At least one person was deported.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 08/21/17 7:00:59 PM #119:	Antifar posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... The individuals convicted were the ones behind voter fraud schemes. It wasn't just 86 fraudulent votes; these were people facilitating wide-scale voter fraud. Read again The worst examples were vote-buying schemes in eastern Kentucky and West Virginia that helped keep local politicians in power. Cases that had fixated GOP officials—like the “major criminal enterprise” in St. Louis—were not substantiated. Instead, most of the cases involved individuals who had cast a single ballot that they shouldn’t have, or hadn’t even voted at all but simply had registered improperly. Some of them went to prison. At least one person was deported. You're ignoring the example they gave of a guy running a vote-buying scheme. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:885199512] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>The individuals convicted were the ones behind voter fraud schemes. It wasn't just 86 fraudulent votes; these were people facilitating wide-scale voter fraud. </quote> Read again <quote>The worst examples were vote-buying schemes in eastern Kentucky and West Virginia that helped keep local politicians in power. Cases that had fixated GOP officials—like the “major criminal enterprise” in St. Louis—were not substantiated. Instead, most of the cases involved individuals who had cast a single ballot that they shouldn’t have, or hadn’t even voted at all but simply had registered improperly. Some of them went to prison. At least one person was deported.</quote></quote> You're ignoring the example they gave of a guy running a vote-buying scheme.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tainted_emerald 08/21/17 7:02:36 PM #120:	Samurontai posted... At least Mal isn't trying to hide his racism anymore --- "Evil is what you make of it. Bind it to a higher purpose and you would have altered its nature. We use what tools we must." - Gerald Tarrant <cite>tainted_emerald posted [p:885199589] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote><cite>Samurontai posted...</cite> <quote>At least Mal isn't trying to hide his racism anymore</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kim Kusanagi 08/21/17 7:03:09 PM #121:	tainted_emerald posted... Samurontai posted... At least Mal isn't trying to hide his racism anymore Nor his full blown conservacuck trumpanzeeing. --- Live to train. Train to fight. Fight to live. When you retire, think only on fighting. Take me away, I don't mind, but you better promise I'll be back in time! <cite>Kim Kusanagi posted [p:885199616] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote><cite>tainted_emerald posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Samurontai posted...</cite> <quote>At least Mal isn't trying to hide his racism anymore</quote></quote> Nor his full blown conservacuck trumpanzeeing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 08/21/17 7:04:06 PM #122:	https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/07/09/7-papers-4-government-inquiries-2-news-investigations-and-1-court-ruling-proving-voter-fraud-is-mostly-a-myth/?utm_term=.76a28ad2fd50 Fraudulent Votes, Voter Identification and the 2012 US General Election, by John Ahlquist and Kenneth R. Mayer of the University of Wisconsin, and Simon Jackman of Stanford. The authors conducted a survey experiment "to measure the prevalence of two speciﬁc types of voter fraud: repeat/fraudulent ballot casting and vote buying." Their conclusion: "The notion that voter impersonation is a widespread behavior is totally contradicted by these data." Caught in the Act: Recent Federal Election Fraud Cases, by Delia Bailey of the Washington University in St. Louis. Bailey unearthed only nine federal election fraud cases occurring between 2000 and 2005. They Just Do Not Vote Like They Used To: A Methodology to Empirically Assess Election Fraud, by M.V. Hood III of the University of Georgia and William Gillespie of Kennesaw State University. "After examining approximately 2.1 million votes cast during the 2006 general election in Georgia, we find no evidence that election fraud was committed under the auspices of deceased registrants." Identifying Election Fraud Using Orphan and Low Propensity Voters, by Ray Christensen and Thomas Schulz of Brigham Young University. The authors devise a new test for identifying instances of voter fraud; turn up no new instances of voter fraud. A two-year investigation by Iowa's Republican secretary of state found evidence of 117 possible fraudulent votes and led to just six - six! - criminal convictions. Kansas' secretary of state examined 84 million votes cast in 22 states to look for duplicate registrants. In the end 14 cases were referred for prosecution, representing 0.00000017 percent of the votes cast. A 10-year 'death audit' in North Carolina turned up a grand total of 50 instances in which a vote may have been attributed to a deceased person, most likely due to errors made by precinct workers. ... News 21, a student journalism project based at Arizona State University, analyzed 2,068 alleged fraud cases from 2000 to 2012 and found a total of 10 cases of alleged voter impersonation. They found that "while fraud has occurred, the rate is infinitesimal, and in-person voter impersonation on Election Day, which prompted 37 state legislatures to enact or consider tough voter ID laws, is virtually non-existent." --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:885199673] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote>https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/07/09/7-papers-4-government-inquiries-2-news-investigations-and-1-court-ruling-proving-voter-fraud-is-mostly-a-myth/?utm_term=.76a28ad2fd50 <quote>Fraudulent Votes, Voter Identification and the 2012 US General Election, by John Ahlquist and Kenneth R. Mayer of the University of Wisconsin, and Simon Jackman of Stanford. The authors conducted a survey experiment "to measure the prevalence of two speciﬁc types of voter fraud: repeat/fraudulent ballot casting and vote buying." Their conclusion: "The notion that voter impersonation is a widespread behavior is totally contradicted by these data." Caught in the Act: Recent Federal Election Fraud Cases, by Delia Bailey of the Washington University in St. Louis. Bailey unearthed only nine federal election fraud cases occurring between 2000 and 2005. They Just Do Not Vote Like They Used To: A Methodology to Empirically Assess Election Fraud, by M.V. Hood III of the University of Georgia and William Gillespie of Kennesaw State University. "After examining approximately 2.1 million votes cast during the 2006 general election in Georgia, we find no evidence that election fraud was committed under the auspices of deceased registrants." Identifying Election Fraud Using Orphan and Low Propensity Voters, by Ray Christensen and Thomas Schulz of Brigham Young University. The authors devise a new test for identifying instances of voter fraud; turn up no new instances of voter fraud. A two-year investigation by Iowa's Republican secretary of state found evidence of 117 possible fraudulent votes and led to just six - six! - criminal convictions. Kansas' secretary of state examined 84 million votes cast in 22 states to look for duplicate registrants. In the end 14 cases were referred for prosecution, representing 0.00000017 percent of the votes cast. A 10-year 'death audit' in North Carolina turned up a grand total of 50 instances in which a vote may have been attributed to a deceased person, most likely due to errors made by precinct workers. ... News 21, a student journalism project based at Arizona State University, analyzed 2,068 alleged fraud cases from 2000 to 2012 and found a total of 10 cases of alleged voter impersonation. They found that "while fraud has occurred, the rate is infinitesimal, and in-person voter impersonation on Election Day, which prompted 37 state legislatures to enact or consider tough voter ID laws, is virtually non-existent."</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 08/21/17 7:05:59 PM #123:	Sephiroth1288 posted... You're ignoring the example they gave of a guy running a vote-buying scheme. The feds convicted 27 people in vote-buying schemes in eastern Kentucky and southern West Virginia. One Democratic county manager paid poor, handicapped and illiterate people to vote for him. He was still in office in 2004 when he was sentenced to just over two years in prison. Other criminals included a sheriff, city police chief and a Circuit Court clerk in West Virginia. Prosecutors said the clerk, a Democrat, and his associates got precinct captains to pay people $20 to vote for a slate of preferred candidates in a May 2004 primary, with the goal of controlling county government. “This seems to be something that is just in the blood of people in southern West Virginia,” former West Virginia Secretary of State Ken Hechler told the Associated Press in 2005. “They’re always looking for ways to get away with this.” That doesn't sound like 27 vote-buying schemes, just 27 people involved. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:885199770] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>You're ignoring the example they gave of a guy running a vote-buying scheme. </quote> <quote>The feds convicted 27 people in vote-buying schemes in eastern Kentucky and southern West Virginia. One Democratic county manager paid poor, handicapped and illiterate people to vote for him. He was still in office in 2004 when he was sentenced to just over two years in prison. Other criminals included a sheriff, city police chief and a Circuit Court clerk in West Virginia. Prosecutors said the clerk, a Democrat, and his associates got precinct captains to pay people $20 to vote for a slate of preferred candidates in a May 2004 primary, with the goal of controlling county government. “This seems to be something that is just in the blood of people in southern West Virginia,” former West Virginia Secretary of State Ken Hechler told the Associated Press in 2005. “They’re always looking for ways to get away with this.”</quote> That doesn't sound like 27 vote-buying schemes, just 27 people involved.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 08/21/17 7:11:15 PM #124:	Antifar posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... You're ignoring the example they gave of a guy running a vote-buying scheme. The feds convicted 27 people in vote-buying schemes in eastern Kentucky and southern West Virginia. One Democratic county manager paid poor, handicapped and illiterate people to vote for him. He was still in office in 2004 when he was sentenced to just over two years in prison. Other criminals included a sheriff, city police chief and a Circuit Court clerk in West Virginia. Prosecutors said the clerk, a Democrat, and his associates got precinct captains to pay people $20 to vote for a slate of preferred candidates in a May 2004 primary, with the goal of controlling county government. “This seems to be something that is just in the blood of people in southern West Virginia,” former West Virginia Secretary of State Ken Hechler told the Associated Press in 2005. “They’re always looking for ways to get away with this.” That doesn't sound like 27 vote-buying schemes, just 27 people involved. All of which should never have been allowed to happen. And, again, there is every reason to believe that there's more voter fraud going on than they're able to catch thanks to lax voting security. Keep in mind that many local elections can be swayed by just 100 votes, which is a huge problem when Al Franken may have gotten his seat thanks in part to fraud. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:885200041] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>You're ignoring the example they gave of a guy running a vote-buying scheme. </quote> <quote>The feds convicted 27 people in vote-buying schemes in eastern Kentucky and southern West Virginia. One Democratic county manager paid poor, handicapped and illiterate people to vote for him. He was still in office in 2004 when he was sentenced to just over two years in prison. Other criminals included a sheriff, city police chief and a Circuit Court clerk in West Virginia. Prosecutors said the clerk, a Democrat, and his associates got precinct captains to pay people $20 to vote for a slate of preferred candidates in a May 2004 primary, with the goal of controlling county government. “This seems to be something that is just in the blood of people in southern West Virginia,” former West Virginia Secretary of State Ken Hechler told the Associated Press in 2005. “They’re always looking for ways to get away with this.”</quote> That doesn't sound like 27 vote-buying schemes, just 27 people involved.</quote> All of which should never have been allowed to happen. And, again, there is every reason to believe that there's more voter fraud going on than they're able to catch thanks to lax voting security. Keep in mind that many local elections can be swayed by just 100 votes, which is a huge problem when Al Franken may have gotten his seat thanks in part to fraud.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 08/21/17 7:37:30 PM #125:	Kim Kusanagi posted... Friendly reminder that Mal Fet says he's not a trumpanzee This reminds me... a bunch of water was trying to tell me the other day that it wasn't wet. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:885201371] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kim Kusanagi posted...</cite> <quote>Friendly reminder that Mal Fet says he's not a trumpanzee</quote> This reminds me... a bunch of water was trying to tell me the other day that it wasn't wet.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 08/21/17 7:41:23 PM #126:	Sephiroth1288 posted... Antifar posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... You're ignoring the example they gave of a guy running a vote-buying scheme. The feds convicted 27 people in vote-buying schemes in eastern Kentucky and southern West Virginia. One Democratic county manager paid poor, handicapped and illiterate people to vote for him. He was still in office in 2004 when he was sentenced to just over two years in prison. Other criminals included a sheriff, city police chief and a Circuit Court clerk in West Virginia. Prosecutors said the clerk, a Democrat, and his associates got precinct captains to pay people $20 to vote for a slate of preferred candidates in a May 2004 primary, with the goal of controlling county government. ?This seems to be something that is just in the blood of people in southern West Virginia,? former West Virginia Secretary of State Ken Hechler told the Associated Press in 2005. ?They?re always looking for ways to get away with this.? That doesn't sound like 27 vote-buying schemes, just 27 people involved. All of which should never have been allowed to happen. And, again, there is every reason to believe that there's more voter fraud going on than they're able to catch thanks to lax voting security. Keep in mind that many local elections can be swayed by just 100 votes, which is a huge problem when Al Franken may have gotten his seat thanks in part to fraud. You have a large audience --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:885201574] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>You're ignoring the example they gave of a guy running a vote-buying scheme. </quote> <quote>The feds convicted 27 people in vote-buying schemes in eastern Kentucky and southern West Virginia. One Democratic county manager paid poor, handicapped and illiterate people to vote for him. He was still in office in 2004 when he was sentenced to just over two years in prison. Other criminals included a sheriff, city police chief and a Circuit Court clerk in West Virginia. Prosecutors said the clerk, a Democrat, and his associates got precinct captains to pay people $20 to vote for a slate of preferred candidates in a May 2004 primary, with the goal of controlling county government. ?This seems to be something that is just in the blood of people in southern West Virginia,? former West Virginia Secretary of State Ken Hechler told the Associated Press in 2005. ?They?re always looking for ways to get away with this.?</quote> That doesn't sound like 27 vote-buying schemes, just 27 people involved.</quote> All of which should never have been allowed to happen. And, again, there is every reason to believe that there's more voter fraud going on than they're able to catch thanks to lax voting security. Keep in mind that many local elections can be swayed by just 100 votes, which is a huge problem when Al Franken may have gotten his seat thanks in part to fraud.</quote> You have a large audience</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 08/21/17 7:46:49 PM #127:	Holy shit is Mal bringing up fucking ACORN as a legit argument? --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:885201834] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote>Holy shit is Mal bringing up fucking ACORN as a legit argument?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 08/21/17 7:46:57 PM #128:	Sephiroth1288 posted... gamepimp12 posted... That while most white democrats aren't the great white saviors people make them out to, they aren't directly and obviously putting in policies to marginize Minorities The only way you can believe voter ID laws are to target black voters is if you assume black voters are somehow incapable of getting an ID. And as we know, a lot of Democrats have a strangely low opinion of black people in general... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZCVHB68cuY Leaving aside the thread topic and everything else, I'm curious how you feel this video shows "Democrats have a strangely low opinion of black people in general..." when it shows less than 50 <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:885201839] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gamepimp12 posted...</cite> <quote>That while most white democrats aren't the great white saviors people make them out to, they aren't directly and obviously putting in policies to marginize Minorities</quote> The only way you can believe voter ID laws are to target black voters is if you assume black voters are somehow incapable of getting an ID. And as we know, a lot of Democrats have a strangely low opinion of black people in general... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZCVHB68cuY</quote> Leaving aside the thread topic and everything else, I'm curious how you feel this video shows "Democrats have a strangely low opinion of black people in general..." when it shows less than 50</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sephiroth1288 08/21/17 8:01:01 PM #130:	Ruvan22 posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... gamepimp12 posted... That while most white democrats aren't the great white saviors people make them out to, they aren't directly and obviously putting in policies to marginize Minorities The only way you can believe voter ID laws are to target black voters is if you assume black voters are somehow incapable of getting an ID. And as we know, a lot of Democrats have a strangely low opinion of black people in general... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZCVHB68cuY Leaving aside the thread topic and everything else, I'm curious how you feel this video shows "Democrats have a strangely low opinion of black people in general..." when it shows less than 50 Antifar is using the same argument used by the white liberals in this video. "Black people can't be asked to procure an ID! It's not fair!" --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:885202545] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ruvan22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gamepimp12 posted...</cite> <quote>That while most white democrats aren't the great white saviors people make them out to, they aren't directly and obviously putting in policies to marginize Minorities</quote> The only way you can believe voter ID laws are to target black voters is if you assume black voters are somehow incapable of getting an ID. And as we know, a lot of Democrats have a strangely low opinion of black people in general... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZCVHB68cuY</quote> Leaving aside the thread topic and everything else, I'm curious how you feel this video shows "Democrats have a strangely low opinion of black people in general..." when it shows less than 50</quote> Antifar is using the same argument used by the white liberals in this video. "Black people can't be asked to procure an ID! It's not fair!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
3rd_Best_Master 08/21/17 8:02:43 PM #131:	And we're back at square one. Mal is like an NPC in an rpg. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2.2 <cite>3rd_Best_Master posted [p:885202645] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote>And we're back at square one. Mal is like an NPC in an rpg.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 08/21/17 8:03:57 PM #132:	Sephiroth1288 posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Doom_Art posted... "If these minorities weren't so stupid they'd be voting Republican like me" - Mal_Fet, probably Yeah, this is the vibe I am getting. Sad. Lol, I'm not even shilling Republicans here. I didn't even bring them up in the OP because I only intended to illustrate how shit the Democrats are. "I'm not shillings Republicans! I'm just shitting on the other party guys!!!!" rofl Mal is once again showing he failed any kind of analysis or argument-based class with this shit of a topic. --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:885202703] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>"If these minorities weren't so stupid they'd be voting Republican like me" - Mal_Fet, probably</quote> Yeah, this is the vibe I am getting. Sad.</quote> Lol, I'm not even shilling Republicans here. I didn't even bring them up in the OP because I only intended to illustrate how shit the Democrats are.</quote> "I'm not shillings Republicans! I'm just shitting on the other party guys!!!!" rofl Mal is once again showing he failed any kind of analysis or argument-based class with this shit of a topic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Axiom 08/21/17 8:07:06 PM #133:	3rd_Best_Master posted... And we're back at square one. Mal is like an NPC in an rpg. I really don't know why anyone bothers arguing with him. He ignores anything he can't argue against and any good points while strawmanning the rest of the time. The only person worse than him is UnfairRepresent <cite>Axiom posted [p:885202890] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote><cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote>And we're back at square one. Mal is like an NPC in an rpg.</quote> I really don't know why anyone bothers arguing with him. He ignores anything he can't argue against and any good points while strawmanning the rest of the time. The only person worse than him is UnfairRepresent</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kim Kusanagi 08/21/17 8:07:44 PM #134:	sktgamer_13dude posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Doom_Art posted... "If these minorities weren't so stupid they'd be voting Republican like me" - Mal_Fet, probably Yeah, this is the vibe I am getting. Sad. Lol, I'm not even shilling Republicans here. I didn't even bring them up in the OP because I only intended to illustrate how shit the Democrats are. "I'm not shillings Republicans! I'm just shitting on the other party guys!!!!" rofl Mal is once again showing he failed any kind of analysis or argument-based class with this shit of a topic. Careful. He attended libertarian debate class! --- Live to train. Train to fight. Fight to live. When you retire, think only on fighting. Take me away, I don't mind, but you better promise I'll be back in time! <cite>Kim Kusanagi posted [p:885202926] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>"If these minorities weren't so stupid they'd be voting Republican like me" - Mal_Fet, probably</quote> Yeah, this is the vibe I am getting. Sad.</quote> Lol, I'm not even shilling Republicans here. I didn't even bring them up in the OP because I only intended to illustrate how shit the Democrats are.</quote> "I'm not shillings Republicans! I'm just shitting on the other party guys!!!!" rofl Mal is once again showing he failed any kind of analysis or argument-based class with this shit of a topic.</quote> Careful. He attended libertarian debate class!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 08/21/17 8:10:17 PM #135:	Sephiroth1288 posted... Ruvan22 posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... gamepimp12 posted... That while most white democrats aren't the great white saviors people make them out to, they aren't directly and obviously putting in policies to marginize Minorities The only way you can believe voter ID laws are to target black voters is if you assume black voters are somehow incapable of getting an ID. And as we know, a lot of Democrats have a strangely low opinion of black people in general... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZCVHB68cuY Leaving aside the thread topic and everything else, I'm curious how you feel this video shows "Democrats have a strangely low opinion of black people in general..." when it shows less than 50 Antifar is using the same argument used by the white liberals in this video. "Black people can't be asked to procure an ID! It's not fair!" Whether or not that is true, I still don't understand how you drew the conclusion that "Lots of Democrats...". This wasn't a survey or a poll? <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:885203080] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ruvan22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gamepimp12 posted...</cite> <quote>That while most white democrats aren't the great white saviors people make them out to, they aren't directly and obviously putting in policies to marginize Minorities</quote> The only way you can believe voter ID laws are to target black voters is if you assume black voters are somehow incapable of getting an ID. And as we know, a lot of Democrats have a strangely low opinion of black people in general... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZCVHB68cuY</quote> Leaving aside the thread topic and everything else, I'm curious how you feel this video shows "Democrats have a strangely low opinion of black people in general..." when it shows less than 50</quote> Antifar is using the same argument used by the white liberals in this video. "Black people can't be asked to procure an ID! It's not fair!"</quote> Whether or not that is true, I still don't understand how you drew the conclusion that "Lots of Democrats...". This wasn't a survey or a poll?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bishop9800 08/21/17 9:59:32 PM #136:	Bishop9800 posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... Are you suggesting that I want statues of black people taken down? Given the chance, I bet you would --- I don't have to insult you. I have proven that you are a hypocrite and a fool. That's not insulting you, that's exposing you. PSN-Bishop9800 <cite>Bishop9800 posted [p:885209701] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bishop9800 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Are you suggesting that I want statues of black people taken down?</quote> Given the chance, I bet you would</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 08/22/17 1:54:23 AM #137:	Bishop9800 posted... Bishop9800 posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... Are you suggesting that I want statues of black people taken down? Given the chance, I bet you would You thought this post was just so brilliant that you demand a real response to it? lol --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:885219867] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bishop9800 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bishop9800 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Are you suggesting that I want statues of black people taken down?</quote> Given the chance, I bet you would</quote></quote> You thought this post was just so brilliant that you demand a real response to it? lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bishop9800 08/22/17 2:13:04 AM #138:	Sephiroth1288 posted... You thought this post was just so brilliant that you demand a real response to it? lol and you're still thinking you're making any sense. LOL! --- I don't have to insult you. I have proven that you are a hypocrite and a fool. That's not insulting you, that's exposing you. PSN-Bishop9800 <cite>Bishop9800 posted [p:885220425] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>You thought this post was just so brilliant that you demand a real response to it? lol</quote> and you're still thinking you're making any sense. LOL!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 08/22/17 2:24:29 AM #139:	Bishop9800 posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... You thought this post was just so brilliant that you demand a real response to it? lol and you're still thinking you're making any sense. LOL! It's not that hard of a concept. Poor people are more likely to vote Democrat, so Democrats would only lose votes by helping people out of poverty. Why then would they be motivated to help any group, much less minorities? --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:885220750] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bishop9800 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>You thought this post was just so brilliant that you demand a real response to it? lol</quote> and you're still thinking you're making any sense. LOL!</quote> It's not that hard of a concept. Poor people are more likely to vote Democrat, so Democrats would only lose votes by helping people out of poverty. Why then would they be motivated to help any group, much less minorities?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 08/22/17 11:51:33 AM #140:	Sephiroth1288 posted... Ruvan22 posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... gamepimp12 posted... That while most white democrats aren't the great white saviors people make them out to, they aren't directly and obviously putting in policies to marginize Minorities The only way you can believe voter ID laws are to target black voters is if you assume black voters are somehow incapable of getting an ID. And as we know, a lot of Democrats have a strangely low opinion of black people in general... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZCVHB68cuY Leaving aside the thread topic and everything else, I'm curious how you feel this video shows "Democrats have a strangely low opinion of black people in general..." when it shows less than 50 Antifar is using the same argument used by the white liberals in this video. "Black people can't be asked to procure an ID! It's not fair!" I'm white and the only reason I can be asked to procure an ID is because I work in a building that has a DMV in it... --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:885237329] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ruvan22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gamepimp12 posted...</cite> <quote>That while most white democrats aren't the great white saviors people make them out to, they aren't directly and obviously putting in policies to marginize Minorities</quote> The only way you can believe voter ID laws are to target black voters is if you assume black voters are somehow incapable of getting an ID. And as we know, a lot of Democrats have a strangely low opinion of black people in general... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZCVHB68cuY</quote> Leaving aside the thread topic and everything else, I'm curious how you feel this video shows "Democrats have a strangely low opinion of black people in general..." when it shows less than 50</quote> Antifar is using the same argument used by the white liberals in this video. "Black people can't be asked to procure an ID! It's not fair!"</quote> I'm white and the only reason I can be asked to procure an ID is because I work in a building that has a DMV in it...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Samurontai 08/22/17 11:52:31 AM #141:	sktgamer_13dude posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Doom_Art posted... "If these minorities weren't so stupid they'd be voting Republican like me" - Mal_Fet, probably Yeah, this is the vibe I am getting. Sad. Lol, I'm not even shilling Republicans here. I didn't even bring them up in the OP because I only intended to illustrate how shit the Democrats are. "I'm not shillings Republicans! I'm just shitting on the other party guys!!!!" rofl Mal is once again showing he failed any kind of analysis or argument-based class with this shit of a topic. Mal isn't shilling republicans Just like he isn't shilling Trumo in nearly every post/topic he makes /s --- http://i.imgur.com/Scl5rwX.gif http://i.imgur.com/Fjgt7Qq.gif http://i.imgur.com/NidhAni.gif http://i.imgur.com/IGIbQPk.gif <cite>Samurontai posted [p:885237376] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>"If these minorities weren't so stupid they'd be voting Republican like me" - Mal_Fet, probably</quote> Yeah, this is the vibe I am getting. Sad.</quote> Lol, I'm not even shilling Republicans here. I didn't even bring them up in the OP because I only intended to illustrate how shit the Democrats are.</quote> "I'm not shillings Republicans! I'm just shitting on the other party guys!!!!" rofl Mal is once again showing he failed any kind of analysis or argument-based class with this shit of a topic.</quote> Mal isn't shilling republicans Just like he isn't shilling Trumo in nearly every post/topic he makes /s</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 08/22/17 11:56:52 AM #142:	Sephiroth1288 posted... Poor people are more likely to vote Democrat, so Democrats would only lose votes by helping people out of poverty. Why then would they be motivated to help any group, much less minorities? this doesn't make sense on it's face because 1) poor people are much less likely to vote and 2) minorities are more likely to vote democrat even if they aren't poor and 3) minorities are disproportionately poor helping minorities achieve some semblance of middleclass-ness would almost certainly help democrats win elections --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:885237607] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Poor people are more likely to vote Democrat, so Democrats would only lose votes by helping people out of poverty. Why then would they be motivated to help any group, much less minorities?</quote> this doesn't make sense on it's face because 1) poor people are much less likely to vote and 2) minorities are more likely to vote democrat even if they aren't poor and 3) minorities are disproportionately poor helping minorities achieve some semblance of middleclass-ness would almost certainly help democrats win elections</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Samurontai 08/22/17 11:58:00 AM #143:	Also, aren't most of the poor and welfare states republican ? --- http://i.imgur.com/Scl5rwX.gif http://i.imgur.com/Fjgt7Qq.gif http://i.imgur.com/NidhAni.gif http://i.imgur.com/IGIbQPk.gif <cite>Samurontai posted [p:885237683] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote>Also, aren't most of the poor and welfare states republican ?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 08/22/17 12:00:50 PM #144:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... Antifar posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... You're ignoring the example they gave of a guy running a vote-buying scheme. The feds convicted 27 people in vote-buying schemes in eastern Kentucky and southern West Virginia. One Democratic county manager paid poor, handicapped and illiterate people to vote for him. He was still in office in 2004 when he was sentenced to just over two years in prison. Other criminals included a sheriff, city police chief and a Circuit Court clerk in West Virginia. Prosecutors said the clerk, a Democrat, and his associates got precinct captains to pay people $20 to vote for a slate of preferred candidates in a May 2004 primary, with the goal of controlling county government. ?This seems to be something that is just in the blood of people in southern West Virginia,? former West Virginia Secretary of State Ken Hechler told the Associated Press in 2005. ?They?re always looking for ways to get away with this.? That doesn't sound like 27 vote-buying schemes, just 27 people involved. All of which should never have been allowed to happen. And, again, there is every reason to believe that there's more voter fraud going on than they're able to catch thanks to lax voting security. Keep in mind that many local elections can be swayed by just 100 votes, which is a huge problem when Al Franken may have gotten his seat thanks in part to fraud. You have a large audience also has anyone addressed the fact that voter id laws do nothing to stop people from buying votes? lol. it is actually true where I live that democrats are more likely to commit election fraud than republicans (though Republicans are more likely to misappropriate state funds, which is why the FBI is investigating them, but anyway) but the way they do it is always by buying votes. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/22/arkansas-operatives-plead-guilty-in-vodka-for-votes-scam.html http://www.nytimes.com/1992/02/02/us/morrilton-journal-old-time-politician-tells-the-truth-maybe.html this kind of voter fraud is real but not impacted by voter id rules --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:885237844] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>You're ignoring the example they gave of a guy running a vote-buying scheme. </quote> <quote>The feds convicted 27 people in vote-buying schemes in eastern Kentucky and southern West Virginia. One Democratic county manager paid poor, handicapped and illiterate people to vote for him. He was still in office in 2004 when he was sentenced to just over two years in prison. Other criminals included a sheriff, city police chief and a Circuit Court clerk in West Virginia. Prosecutors said the clerk, a Democrat, and his associates got precinct captains to pay people $20 to vote for a slate of preferred candidates in a May 2004 primary, with the goal of controlling county government. ?This seems to be something that is just in the blood of people in southern West Virginia,? former West Virginia Secretary of State Ken Hechler told the Associated Press in 2005. ?They?re always looking for ways to get away with this.?</quote> That doesn't sound like 27 vote-buying schemes, just 27 people involved.</quote> All of which should never have been allowed to happen. And, again, there is every reason to believe that there's more voter fraud going on than they're able to catch thanks to lax voting security. Keep in mind that many local elections can be swayed by just 100 votes, which is a huge problem when Al Franken may have gotten his seat thanks in part to fraud.</quote> You have a large audience</quote> also has anyone addressed the fact that voter id laws do nothing to stop people from buying votes? lol. it is actually true where I live that democrats are more likely to commit election fraud than republicans (though Republicans are more likely to misappropriate state funds, which is why the FBI is investigating them, but anyway) but the way they do it is always by buying votes. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/22/arkansas-operatives-plead-guilty-in-vodka-for-votes-scam.html http://www.nytimes.com/1992/02/02/us/morrilton-journal-old-time-politician-tells-the-truth-maybe.html this kind of voter fraud is real but not impacted by voter id rules</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 08/22/17 12:12:13 PM #145:	Balrog0 posted... this doesn't make sense on it's face because 1) poor people are much less likely to vote and 2) minorities are more likely to vote democrat even if they aren't poor and 3) minorities are disproportionately poor helping minorities achieve some semblance of middleclass-ness would almost certainly help democrats win elections Poor people are still a big voting block, regardless if they vote as much as others. Also, even if minorities are likely to vote Democrat, rich minorities are still less likely to vote Democrat than poor minorities. So no, as long as Democrats claim to be on the poor's side and want those in the middle and upper classes to pay their "fair" share, they will only lose votes as poor people rise through the tax bracket. Sure, some will vote Democrat for ideological reasons, but not all of them. That's why it's no mystery why the historically blue cities are such shitholes. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:885238432] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote> this doesn't make sense on it's face because 1) poor people are much less likely to vote and 2) minorities are more likely to vote democrat even if they aren't poor and 3) minorities are disproportionately poor helping minorities achieve some semblance of middleclass-ness would almost certainly help democrats win elections</quote> Poor people are still a big voting block, regardless if they vote as much as others. Also, even if minorities are likely to vote Democrat, rich minorities are still less likely to vote Democrat than poor minorities. So no, as long as Democrats claim to be on the poor's side and want those in the middle and upper classes to pay their "fair" share, they will only lose votes as poor people rise through the tax bracket. Sure, some will vote Democrat for ideological reasons, but not all of them. That's why it's no mystery why the historically blue cities are such shitholes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 08/22/17 12:20:26 PM #146:	Sephiroth1288 posted... Poor people are still a big voting block, regardless if they vote as much as others. Also, even if minorities are likely to vote Democrat, rich minorities are still less likely to vote Democrat than poor minorities. This is true, but the size of the impact is much smaller than the size of the impact that race has. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2014/01/20/how-race-and-religion-have-polarized-american-voters/?utm_term=.edfae199a781 According to data from the American National Election Study, the correlation between family income and party identification among all voters in 2012 was a very modest 0.13. As family income goes up, voters are a bit more likely to back the Republicans, but not strongly so. The correlation among white voters was meager and statistically insignificant 0.03. race much more strongly predicts partisan affiliation Sephiroth1288 posted... So no, as long as Democrats claim to be on the poor's side and want those in the middle and upper classes to pay their "fair" share, they will only lose votes as poor people rise through the tax bracket. Sure, some will vote Democrat for ideological reasons, but not all of them. That's why it's no mystery why the historically blue cities are such shitholes. I disagree. Income is not a very good predictor of how you will vote between a D and an R. --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:885238895] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Poor people are still a big voting block, regardless if they vote as much as others. Also, even if minorities are likely to vote Democrat, rich minorities are still less likely to vote Democrat than poor minorities.</quote> This is true, but the size of the impact is much smaller than the size of the impact that race has. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2014/01/20/how-race-and-religion-have-polarized-american-voters/?utm_term=.edfae199a781 According to data from the American National Election Study, the correlation between family income and party identification among all voters in 2012 was a very modest 0.13. As family income goes up, voters are a bit more likely to back the Republicans, but not strongly so. The correlation among white voters was meager and statistically insignificant 0.03. race much more strongly predicts partisan affiliation <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>So no, as long as Democrats claim to be on the poor's side and want those in the middle and upper classes to pay their "fair" share, they will only lose votes as poor people rise through the tax bracket. Sure, some will vote Democrat for ideological reasons, but not all of them. That's why it's no mystery why the historically blue cities are such shitholes.</quote> I disagree. Income is not a very good predictor of how you will vote between a D and an R.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 08/22/17 12:24:21 PM #147:	also, city politics is much more complicated than you're presenting it -- for one thing, most of those blue shit holes are in red states for a reason. Most state legislatures include historically big struggles between urban political machines and rural lawmakers, and mostly rural lawmakers won. When you understand how much influence states have over municipalities, you understand how stupid you sound. Which isn't to say democrats are good. If you look at a lot of these blue cities you'll see obviously anti-poor and anti-white rules, like stacking the city council with at-large representatives. Most (not all) Republican areas are less politicized because they're generally smaller and have a different style of government (usually with a city manager rather than a mayor) --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:885239091] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote>also, city politics is much more complicated than you're presenting it -- for one thing, most of those blue shit holes are in red states for a reason. Most state legislatures include historically big struggles between urban political machines and rural lawmakers, and mostly rural lawmakers won. When you understand how much influence states have over municipalities, you understand how stupid you sound. Which isn't to say democrats are good. If you look at a lot of these blue cities you'll see obviously anti-poor and anti-white rules, like stacking the city council with at-large representatives. Most (not all) Republican areas are less politicized because they're generally smaller and have a different style of government (usually with a city manager rather than a mayor)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Deadpool 08/22/17 12:39:56 PM #148:	Sephiroth1288 posted... Of course, it's undeniable that poor Democrats who become middle class become less likely to vote Democrat Exit polls show the division by income to be near 50/50, the differences as income raises being within the margin of error. The clearest split between Clinton and Trump was education. --- We are living in a world today where lemonade is made from artificial flavors and furniture polish is made from real lemons. <cite>The Deadpool posted [p:885240028] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Of course, it's undeniable that poor Democrats who become middle class become less likely to vote Democrat</quote> Exit polls show the division by income to be near 50/50, the differences as income raises being within the margin of error. The clearest split between Clinton and Trump was education.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 08/22/17 12:57:24 PM #149:	Balrog0 posted... it is actually true where I live that democrats are more likely to commit election fraud than republicans Do you happen to know why that is? Just curious. --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:885240959] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote> it is actually true where I live that democrats are more likely to commit election fraud than republicans</quote> Do you happen to know why that is? Just curious.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 08/22/17 1:04:22 PM #150:	Anteaterking posted... Do you happen to know why that is? Just curious. My assumption is that it is mostly because republicans didn't exist in most of the state until the tea party wave in 2010. The GOP was the (very small) minority party between reconstruction and 2014 in the state legislature. So a combination of it probably not worth felony charges when you're gonna lose anyway, and not being in a position of power to do it in the first place but give them time --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:885241362] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anteaterking posted...</cite> <quote>Do you happen to know why that is? Just curious.</quote> My assumption is that it is mostly because republicans didn't exist in most of the state until the tea party wave in 2010. The GOP was the (very small) minority party between reconstruction and 2014 in the state legislature. So a combination of it probably not worth felony charges when you're gonna lose anyway, and not being in a position of power to do it in the first place but give them time</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 08/22/17 1:04:42 PM #151:	Balrog0 posted... This is true, but the size of the impact is much smaller than the size of the impact that race has. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2014/01/20/how-race-and-religion-have-polarized-american-voters/?utm_term=.edfae199a781 According to data from the American National Election Study, the correlation between family income and party identification among all voters in 2012 was a very modest 0.13. As family income goes up, voters are a bit more likely to back the Republicans, but not strongly so. The correlation among white voters was meager and statistically insignificant 0.03. race much more strongly predicts partisan affiliation You can't change someone's skin color; that option is quite firmly off the table, but you CAN change their financial success. Balrog0 posted... I disagree. Income is not a very good predictor of how you will vote between a D and an R. But it is a predictor. And the DNC simply has no reason to risk losing votes as long as public perception is such that they are the "good guys". The Deadpool posted... Exit polls show the division by income to be near 50/50, the differences as income raises being within the margin of error. Wealthy voters have always leaned republican. Aberrations in individual elections aren't relevant in the long-term. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:885241380] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>This is true, but the size of the impact is much smaller than the size of the impact that race has. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2014/01/20/how-race-and-religion-have-polarized-american-voters/?utm_term=.edfae199a781 According to data from the American National Election Study, the correlation between family income and party identification among all voters in 2012 was a very modest 0.13. As family income goes up, voters are a bit more likely to back the Republicans, but not strongly so. The correlation among white voters was meager and statistically insignificant 0.03. race much more strongly predicts partisan affiliation</quote> You can't change someone's skin color; that option is quite firmly off the table, but you CAN change their financial success. <cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>I disagree. Income is not a very good predictor of how you will vote between a D and an R.</quote> But it is a predictor. And the DNC simply has no reason to risk losing votes as long as public perception is such that they are the "good guys". <cite>The Deadpool posted...</cite> <quote>Exit polls show the division by income to be near 50/50, the differences as income raises being within the margin of error.</quote> Wealthy voters have always leaned republican. Aberrations in individual elections aren't relevant in the long-term.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 08/22/17 1:11:11 PM #152:	Sephiroth1288 posted... You can't change someone's skin color; that option is quite firmly off the table, but you CAN change their financial success. yeah, but the point is that if your skin color causes you to vote D and your poverty causes you not to vote at all then the good strategy for a D is to make you more affluent so you go and vote D in higher numbers Sephiroth1288 posted... But it is a predictor. And the DNC simply has no reason to risk losing votes as long as public perception is such that they are the "good guys". I honestly don't understand what you're even trying to say here. Sephiroth1288 posted... Wealthy voters have always leaned republican. Aberrations in individual elections aren't relevant in the long-term. it is true that the wealth disparity was greater in past elections, but the numbers I used were based on 2012 which still showed that income was only marginally relevant I'd actually say mitt romney was unusually tailored to a high-income voter base, too, but idk if that's true. I just know that poor people didn't like him. Could be a religion thing, too. --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:885241801] in Statuegate... [t:75693713]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>You can't change someone's skin color; that option is quite firmly off the table, but you CAN change their financial success. </quote> yeah, but the point is that if your skin color causes you to vote D and your poverty causes you not to vote at all then the good strategy for a D is to make you more affluent so you go and vote D in higher numbers <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>But it is a predictor. And the DNC simply has no reason to risk losing votes as long as public perception is such that they are the "good guys".</quote> I honestly don't understand what you're even trying to say here. <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Wealthy voters have always leaned republican. Aberrations in individual elections aren't relevant in the long-term. </quote> it is true that the wealth disparity was greater in past elections, but the numbers I used were based on 2012 which still showed that income was only marginally relevant I'd actually say mitt romney was unusually tailored to a high-income voter base, too, but idk if that's true. I just know that poor people didn't like him. Could be a religion thing, too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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