Current Events > ned stark and barristan are the only likable characters in ASOIAF

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Sansa
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Gendry is cool
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EmeralDragon23 posted...

Sansa

Ha
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EmeralDragon23 posted...

Sansa

hahahahahahahahahAHAHAHAHAHA

EmeralDragon23 posted...

Sansa

She's probably my most disliked next to Joffrey.
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Jon Snow
Arya Stark
Grey Worm
Robb Stark
Tyrion Lannister
Tommen Baratheon
Oberyn Martell
Doran Martell
Olenna Tyrell
Bronn

Etc.
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Varys is arguably the best character in the whole book.
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Davos
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giantblimpN7 posted...

Davos

ok yeah, i forgot about him.

I hated Ned Stark. He's the most depressing character in the series and also one of the dumbest.

Tyrion, Arya and Jamie are the most likable characters and it's not even close.

Bronn
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The Others take you if you don't like Old Nan
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If you don't think Sansa is one of the best characters in ASOIAF, you haven't been paying attention.
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Davos Fuckin' Seaworth
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Books or show?

I love Asha Greyjoy.
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EmeralDragon23 posted...

If you don't think Sansa is one of the best characters in ASOIAF, you haven't been paying attention.

She's one of the worst
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Bronn was nice before the show diverged. Early Varys and Tyrion were cool too.
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Blackstar110 posted...

Bronn

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Davos is the most huggable man to ever exist.
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I really like Thoros on the show. Shame he isn't seen much.
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Zeeak4444 posted...

Varys is arguably the best character in the whole book.

varys, littlefinger, melisandre, tyrion, and qyburn are the only real players of the game in the books

EmeralDragon23 posted...

If you don't think Sansa is one of the best characters in ASOIAF, you haven't been paying attention.

in the books? no way, dude. book 1 she's a moron, book 2 she's a crying victim, book 3 she's a pawn (and also gets creeped on by littlefinger quite a lot). book 5 she's "learning" but basically just watching littlefinger be awesome and has 1-2 moments in which she does something half-worth a damn.
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Is Qyburn loyal to Cersei or is she just a means for him to do his research?
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Darkman124 posted...

varys, littlefinger, melisandre, tyrion, and qyburn are the only real players of the game in the books

Qyburn? He just got lucky.

And Melisandre doesn't play the game, she's a religious fanatic. She backs Stannis because she think's he's Jesus, not because she thinks he's the rightful heir or anything.
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pegusus123456 posted...

Qyburn?

He just got lucky.

strongly disagree. everyone in cersei's small council was working against her and for their own motives. qyburn is the greatest of them with the longest game.

ReignFury posted...

Is Qyburn loyal to Cersei or is she just a means for him to do his research?

means for his research.

if you look at the divide within the citadel over the dragons and magic in general you can see that there is a faction of maesters that, while not directly aligned with the white walkers, is clearly aligned against the dragons and magic in general.

qyburn has learned to use science to replicate the magic of resurrection, a power otherwise reserved to the white walkers and 'lord of light'. i expect he is working toward destroying magic in the world.

seeing him as a player is also consistent with the observation that each of the major "players" on the surface has at least one manipulator/adviser behind them who sees the game as it really is and guides them.
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Davos and Tyrion are both enjoyable.
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Darkman124 posted...

strongly disagree. everyone in cersei's small council was working against her and for their own motives. qyburn is the greatest of them with the longest game.

I say that he's lucky because he just happened to be there when Cersei was tired of Pycelle

Darkman124 posted...

qyburn has learned to use science to replicate the magic of resurrection, a power otherwise reserved to the white walkers and 'lord of light'. i expect he is working toward destroying magic in the world.

Hhhhhhas he though? Been a while since I've read the book, but I seem to remember that the way he talked seemed to imply magic rather than science.

Darkman124 posted...

seeing him as a player is also consistent with the observation that each of the major "players" on the surface has at least one manipulator/adviser behind them who sees the game as it really is and guides them.

I don't think Qyburn cares about the "game" though, he just wants to do really horrible shit to dead people.
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ive been thinking that qyburn is a major player that everyone is ignoring. his knowledge of necromancy could give him the power to control the white walkers
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Bluebomber182 posted...

ive been thinking that qyburn is a major player that everyone is ignoring. his knowledge of necromancy could give him the power to control the white walkers

That wouldn't make any sense
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Bluebomber182 posted...

ive been thinking that qyburn is a major player that everyone is ignoring. his knowledge of necromancy could give him the power to control the white walkers

White Walkers make zombies, they aren't zombies themselves. They're essentially snow demons.
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pegusus123456 posted...

I say that he's lucky because he just happened to be there when Cersei was tired of Pycelle

And I think that a great deal of his advance was a result of his own manipulation. Fat Zollo cut off Jaime's hand; Qyburn treated it. How could the brave companions have possibly been so stupid as to severely harm such a valuable captive without someone smarter than they pushing them to do so? Who served as Maester to Lord Roose Bolton when the letter came from King's Landing suggesting he betray Robb? Who delivered the letter? Who advised Roose to betray Robb, and hand Jaime back to his father?

All Qyburn.

It was this that brought him into Cersei's service, on Jaime's return. He was manipulating his way to King's Landing, and we never saw it.

pegusus123456 posted...

Hhhhhhas he though? Been a while since I've read the book, but I seem to remember that the way he talked seemed to imply magic rather than science.

It's kind of unclear exactly why he was banned, aside from that he was raising the dead. The introduction of a 'school of magic' does imply that maesters use magic. But that means either:

1) He's using white walker magic to raise the dead, or
2) He's using science to raise the dead in a clear effort to replace magic

Either way, he (and Cersei as a whole) are clear tools of the white walkers (though probably unintentionally). I think he is an agent of his 'faction' of the Citadel, and his 'expulsion' may well be a ruse.

pegusus123456 posted...

I don't think Qyburn cares about the "game" though, he just wants to do really horrible s*** to dead people.

I think his goals are much broader than his experiments. His experiments are in service of a broader goal that has been hinted at during Sam's chapter at the end of Book 4.
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How is Arya one of the most likable? She's a single-minded sociopath with almost no character development.
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There really are no good characters left in the show.. The best ending would either be the night king winning the war, which won't happen or Westeros getting obliterated by a meteor.. I have a small hope for that outcome.
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jcmason posted...

How is Arya one of the most likable? She's a single-minded sociopath with almost no character development.

She's a little girl, it's offensive not to like her or something like that.
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Darkman124 posted...

And I think that a great deal of his advance was a result of his own manipulation. Fat Zollo cut off Jaime's hand; Qyburn treated it. How could the brave companions have possibly been so stupid as to severely harm such a valuable captive without someone smarter than they pushing them to do so? Who served as Maester to Lord Roose Bolton when the letter came from King's Landing suggesting he betray Robb? Who delivered the letter? Who advised Roose to betray Robb, and hand Jaime back to his father?

I think you're reading too much into it. The Brave Companions are genuinely just that stupid and bloodthirsty. He served as maester because Roose killed the one that was there. And I'm pretty sure the rest of what you said is just speculation. For one thing, I don't see Roose Bolton taking advice from a sellsword maester.

Darkman124 posted...

It's kind of unclear exactly why he was banned, aside from that he was raising the dead. The introduction of a 'school of magic' does imply that maesters use magic. But that means either:

1) He's using white walker magic to raise the dead, or
2) He's using science to raise the dead in a clear effort to replace magic

I don't think it was even mentioned that he'd been raising the dead at the Citadel, just that he was murdering people and studying black magic. It's also not a choice between "he's a white walker mage" or "he's Frankenstein." Mirri Maz Dur, the red priest, and hell, even Dany were able to raise the dead without using White Walker magic or science.

Darkman124 posted...

I think his goals are much broader than his experiments. His experiments are in service of a broader goal that has been hinted at during Sam's chapter at the end of Book 4.

I think you're reading waaaaaaay too much into a relatively minor character.
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Ned Stark was an idiot.

pegusus123456 posted...

I think you're reading too much into it. The Brave Companions are genuinely just that stupid and bloodthirsty. He served as maester because Roose killed the one that was there. And I'm pretty sure the rest of what you said is just speculation. For one thing, I don't see Roose Bolton taking advice from a sellsword maester.

You think Roose was running the show without any advice from any Maester?

You think he decided to betray Robb entirely on his own?

On its own, I thought that too, but as I learned more and more about Qyburn I became more and more convinced that he had orchestrated a great many events to unfold to his benefit, allowing him to rise to a very high position in the kingdom. Much as was the case for littlefinger. Chaos is a ladder.

pegusus123456 posted...

I don't think it was even mentioned that he'd been raising the dead at the Citadel, just that he was murdering people and studying black magic. It's also not a choice between "he's a white walker mage" or "he's Frankenstein." Mirri Maz Dur, the red priest, and hell, even Dany were able to raise the dead without using White Walker magic or science.

The issue is the kind of ressurection he accomplishes. Zombie-mountain is portrayed as being much more like a wight and much less like the other ressurections we've seen.

Also, there's literally nothing suggesting he was murdering anybody that I know of.

pegusus123456 posted...

I think you're reading waaaaaaay too much into a relatively minor character.

I didn't reach this conclusion until the close of book 5, when all the evidence had piled up to suggest that he was more than "Cersei's one and only loyal supporter"
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Darkman124 posted...

You think Roose was running the show without any advice from any Maester?

You think he decided to betray Robb entirely on his own?

Yes, that is what I think. Or, at least, he did not discuss this extremely risky and pivotal plan with some random dude he met a week ago.

Darkman124 posted...

The issue is the kind of ressurection he accomplishes. Zombie-mountain is portrayed as being much more like a wight and much less like the other ressurections we've seen.

Also, there's literally nothing suggesting he was murdering anybody that I know of.

Zombie-like resurrection would also be indicative of someone who's not very good at resurrecting people.

And he mentioned that he cut open the living to perform experiments, I just kind of figured those people were dead.

Darkman124 posted...

I didn't reach this conclusion until the close of book 5, when all the evidence had piled up to suggest that he was more than "Cersei's one and only loyal supporter"

Most of it seems to be evidence you made up though
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pegusus123456 posted...

Most of it seems to be evidence you made up though

naw, i didn't make it up! it's largely circumstantial evidence, and you're free not to embrace it.

but i definitely think qyburn is a character we'll see expanded if book 6 ever releases, and that he will be shown to be a player comparable to the others i listed.

pegusus123456 posted...

Yes, that is what I think. Or, at least, he did not discuss this extremely risky and pivotal plan with some random dude he met a week ago.

IMO: less this, more qyburn carefully choosing his words to nudge roose towards that decision
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pegusus123456 posted...

Bluebomber182 posted...

ive been thinking that qyburn is a major player that everyone is ignoring. his knowledge of necromancy could give him the power to control the white walkers

White Walkers make zombies, they aren't zombies themselves. They're essentially snow demons.

Its an interesting theory, but is Qyburn is a sadist with designs on the throne or just a brutally pragmatic scientist?

Also I see the WWs as more like terminators or xenomorphs than demons.
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I wouldn't expect Qyburn to have manipulated Bolton, mostly because I think too highly of Roose for that to have been possible. I certainly do believe that Qyburn is a clever, manipulative opportunist, but I'm not sure he has a large-scale political motive. I mean, of course he does, otherwise he wouldn't be where he is, but I'm not sure exactly what it would be.
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ReignFury posted...

or just a brutally pragmatic scientist?

I think this.

I don't think he wants the throne, FWIW. I think he wants influence on the throne to advance his true agenda, which may be related to the anti-magic faction of the citadel.
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Tyrion(cept maybe in his extra drunk depressed phase)
Arya(Early on because she antagonizes Sansa who was a total bitch but later because she is badass and murdering the shit out some of the worst fuckers In Westeros
Jamie(After his character development)
Jon
Bronn
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pikachupwnage posted...

Arya(Early on because she antagonizes Sansa who was a total b**** but later because she is badass and murdering the s*** out some of the worst f***ers In Westeros

*vomits*

Arya is awful.

Arya is precisely why the series is flawed. So many people die...and yet Arya has plot armor made of valyrian steel AYYY

Likable characters?
Tyrion
Varys
Bronn
Podrick
Olenna
Tormund
Edit: Davos
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Podrick

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I actually like Sansa in the books. Because I can relate to her naivitey as a child. And how shocked she becomes as she discovers the real world.

My favorite is Tyrion though.

Darkman124 posted...

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Podrick

ser? my lady?
ser? my lady?
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Podrick is brave, dilligent, kind hearted, and a woman "slayer", at least in the show. I'm not familiar with his appearances in the books. Anyway, he's not playing the game, but he's likable.
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Podrick is brave, dilligent, kind hearted, and a woman "slayer", at least in the show. I'm not familiar with his appearances in the books. Anyway, he's not playing the game, but he's likable.

in the books he is so fucking annoying i want to scream

show pod is a massive improvement complete with pet the dog moments (ex the whores)
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