Current Events > Star Trek fans - do you think the new show will be any good?

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I've never been into the shows before but my dad is and I just told him about the new series today. The preview/ad didn't really give any good material.
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No.

I have zero interest in it. I lost about half my interest when I learned it was another prequel series. Lost most of the rest of my interest when I learned it was exclusive to CBS' streaming service. And the trailer didn't rekindle any of that interest. And then there's the fact that TNG, Voyager, and DS9 all had garbage first seasons.
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Why they felt the need to change the Klingons is beyond me.
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My hopes are fairly low, and truth be told I don't have an interest in signing up for yet another streaming service.
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My hopes are high, but at the same time I fully expect to be disappointed, if that makes sense.
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I would watch it if it were on Netflix in the US like it is for the rest of the world.
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mustachedmystic posted...

Why they felt the need to change the Klingons is beyond me.

They want to look like the new movie even though it is a completely different timeline.
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First I've heard of it. It's a stream only show? Which service?
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Bad_Mojo posted...

First I've heard of it. It's a stream only show? Which service?

CBS All Access
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I hate that they keep going back in the past. Let us see new world, new developments, new tech that is not out of place.
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cjsdowg posted...

I hate that they keep going back in the past. Let us see new world, new developments, new tech that is not out of place.

Isn't the problem that tech just becomes too good or something? I seem to remember in Enterprise, in the future, everything is about time travel and is totally crazy and shit.
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Thought it was on TV. Thank you
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i hope so but i have no idea. track record is hit/miss.

spanky1 posted...

cjsdowg posted...

I hate that they keep going back in the past. Let us see new world, new developments, new tech that is not out of place.

Isn't the problem that tech just becomes too good or something? I seem to remember in Enterprise, in the future, everything is about time travel and is totally crazy and shit.

Cuz this would be the first time Star Trek's retconned something
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No
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In short, Les Moonves' meddling was in large part what wrecked Star Trek toward the end of its TV run and now he's interfering with this series big time. Bryan Fuller (executive producer of the new show in pre-production) was fired for wanting to make a true Star Trek series while Moonves wanted to make changes to appeal to the masses and sell CBS All Access.

There's also a bizarre legal issue between the two owners of Star Trek where one side can't make use of imagery used by the other. People are speculating that this is why they changed the appearance of the Klingons, etc. Bad news if true.

GOATTHlEF posted...

Not much conflict in the future tbh. With the tech that Janeway brings back at the end of Voyager the Federation could easily bring everyone else in the quadrant to their knees. Especially if the Romulans are hurting. The only ones who would stand a chance would be the Dominion and I don't have any faith in current day writers to pull off a second DS9.

I can understand the worry but STO didn't have a problem with it and neither do the books. Creative writing solves everything.
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I'm hopeful, but my expectations are low. DS9 is one of my favorite shows of all time. I enjoy Voyager for what it is, and TNG is great (if you cut out the really, really shitty episodes). Even the original is still quite enjoyable.

My problem initially is that they are trying to do something different; "it's not a captain!", but that isn't new (Sisko was a commander) and we all know that the main character will become a captain as time goes on. However, the show is not about singular perspective, it's about a crew. On top of that, the show needs a safe, clean run at it instead of something experimental after so many years. But seriously, why name it 'Discovery' and then set it in a prequel world we already know instead of the Gamma Quadrant?

More importantly, I hate the time period. Enterprise demonstrated why prequels suck in the Star Trek universe; you are stripping out all the fun technology and all the 'discovery' is of things we already know about or things that randomly disappeared between series. I guess if it's the Kelvinverse it might be alright, but I'm not keen on watching another Klingon-Federation war. We already have seen it and we already saw the Klingons developed into a full, cool species. Why strip that all away?

I haven't done enough research on the crew and cast, though, to really tell if the crew will be good, but I'm really upset that it is going to focus on one character. I'd love to see at least one classic species to anchor the series, but the focus on 'discovery' in an old setting doesn't sit right with me.

I'd love it if it could be good, but unfortunately, I don't have high hopes for it actually being so. Which is a bummer.
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Dash_Harber posted...

"it's not a captain!", but that isn't new (Sisko was a commander)

To be fair, Sisko not being a captain meant very little since he was still in charge of DS9.
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I lost interest when they said it would be a prequel. Nothing too radical can occur in the series because it conflict with the current canon.
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If it is going to be anything like the new Star Trek movies, it's going to be bad.
Also, I'm all for Star Trek showing character variety and all that. Character development of the crew is part of what makes these shows so good, but the director or producer made it sound like the show would be all about transexuals and feminism. I can stomach stuff like that in small amounts as long as the actual show is still about Star Trek.. Which is what we watch it for.
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Flasbangs posted...

If it is going to be anything like the new Star Trek movies, it's going to be bad.
Also, I'm all for Star Trek showing character variety and all that. Character development of the crew is part of what makes these shows so good, but the director or producer made it sound like the show would be all about transexuals and feminism. I can stomach stuff like that in small amounts as long as the actual show is still about Star Trek.. Which is what we watch it for.

Also this. Its not like when the original series came out they were like "HEY LOOK WE GOT A WOMAN AND SHES BLACK SO WATCH OUR SHOW WE ARE SUPER PROGRESSIVE". Even when they brought up stuff like sexuality in the old shows, it was done in a subtle manner that was very suitable. It wasn't ever touted as a selling point.
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Chicken posted...

I lost interest when they said it would be a prequel. Nothing too radical can occur in the series because it conflict with the current canon.

Technically they can make it as radical they want and then end it with timetravel that changes it back to canon timeline.
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pegusus123456 posted...

To be fair, Sisko not being a captain meant very little since he was still in charge of DS9.

Fair enough. However, his promotion was still part of his character arc.

Flasbangs posted...

If it is going to be anything like the new Star Trek movies, it's going to be bad.

The new movies are fun and enjoyable. They are closer to the goofy old Star Trek than most fans would ever admit.

Flasbangs posted...

Also, I'm all for Star Trek showing character variety and all that. Character development of the crew is part of what makes these shows so good, but the director or producer made it sound like the show would be all about transexuals and feminism. I can stomach stuff like that in small amounts as long as the actual show is still about Star Trek.. Which is what we watch it for.

Chicken posted...

Also this. Its not like when the original series came out they were like "HEY LOOK WE GOT A WOMAN AND SHES BLACK SO WATCH OUR SHOW WE ARE SUPER PROGRESSIVE". Even when they brought up stuff like sexuality in the old shows, it was done in a subtle manner that was very suitable. It wasn't ever touted as a selling point.

Seriously, I don't get why people are like this. For one, Star Trek has always actively sought to be 'progressive'. To the point where people have always made your argument against it. Hell, in 1960 they had a white man kiss a black woman and that was fucking earth shattering for some TV stations (so much so that they cut it out). Literally every episode of TNG and Voyager is basically them preaching about some issue and how people should be more progressive about it. Star Trek veers towards the progressive, it always has, this is nothing new. On top of that, the only news article I saw about any issue like that was when some actor tweeted about working with another actor who was going to play his boyfriend, which had literally nothing to do with the advertising.

Foppe posted...

Technically they can make it as radical they want and then end it with timetravel that changes it back to canon timeline.

We got enough of that with Janeway and the USS Reset Button.

I've got a really bad feeling about it.

That said, though, Star Trek series are cursed by fate to go through a rough first season or two, so I think we should still hold out judgment for a little while.
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

That said, though, Star Trek series are cursed by fate to go through a rough first season or two, so I think we should still hold out judgment for a little while.

That's true. I never really thought about it, but all but the original had mixed reviews during the first season or two. TNG was pretty hit or miss. VYG was a hot mess the first few seasons. Even my beloved DS9 was just okay with some really awesome episodes for the first two seasons or so.

Jfc no.
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I've never seen a single thing from Star Trek besides one episode from the original where they do something with Wyatt Earp and Doc Holliday.
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Dash_Harber posted...

UnholyMudcrab posted...

That said, though, Star Trek series are cursed by fate to go through a rough first season or two, so I think we should still hold out judgment for a little while.

That's true. I never really thought about it, but all but the original had mixed reviews during the first season or two. TNG was pretty hit or miss. VYG was a hot mess the first few seasons. Even my beloved DS9 was just okay with some really awesome episodes for the first two seasons or so.

The only episode from the first couple seasons of DS9 that really sticks out for me is Duet, but that might just be because I haven't watched the series for a while.
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

UnholyMudcrab posted...

That said, though, Star Trek series are cursed by fate to go through a rough first season or two, so I think we should still hold out judgment for a little while.

That's true. I never really thought about it, but all but the original had mixed reviews during the first season or two. TNG was pretty hit or miss. VYG was a hot mess the first few seasons. Even my beloved DS9 was just okay with some really awesome episodes for the first two seasons or so.

The only episode from the first couple seasons of DS9 that really sticks out for me is Duet, but that might just be because I haven't watched the series for a while.

That's usually my go-to good episode of that one, as well. There was also the time that Dax was on trial for what Kurzon did, and the episode where Dax teams up with the old Klingon masters to retrieve the sword of Kahless or something like that. Oh, and the one where O'Brien befriends a lizard like alien that is bred to be hunted for sport. Oh and the first mirror universe episode of DS9 was in season 2. There is a few that stick out in my memory, but my wife has just started watching the series, so that might be why they are fresh in my memory.

not even slightly
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Dash_Harber posted...

VYG was a hot mess the first few seasons

And also the last few.

And also the middle one.
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pegusus123456 posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

VYG was a hot mess the first few seasons

And also the last few.

And also the middle one.

People give it shit, but it had it's moments. Basically when they got out of Kazon space, it went from downright awful to hit or miss. I think the bigger problem with Voyager is all the missed potential and how heartbreaking it is for a fan to watch it and think about what could have been had creative control remained with the writers.