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Funkydog 08/17/17 10:46:03 AM #51:	NeoShadowhen posted... Funkydog posted... DirkDiggles posted... As hideous and disgusting as the alt-right, Neo-Nazis, and the white supremacists message is, the left, mainly Antifa, did go there looking for a fight. It's outright unacceptable and damn vile that a person had to die expressing her first amendment right. Anybody that thinks that only one side is to blame is either delusional or just plain trolling. It's like blaming just one side for all the gang violence inside an inner city. Is it the Cripts fault, is it the Bloods fault, or is it both sides fault? Perhaps. But how would you feel if he said "both sides are bad" in response to any other terror attack? He calls other terrorists sad and thugs, but in this case "some of them are good people" - it is a severe change in language to his usual kind. And for a group of people with nazis among them. In a vacuum, I'd agree. But this attack happened in the context of a year of escalating violence between antifa and the groups it counter-protests against, not all of whom are white identitarians. Surely anyone who saw the footage of the guy taking a bike lock to the head knew it was only a matter of time before someone was killed. This has been building for a while. The only appropriate response is to call out the violence on all sides. Unless of course, you're pushing for more violence, which admittedly a lot of people are. The violence on both sides was not good, no. but what Luigi said is fueling the anger against Trump. luigi13579 posted... On his speeches, I think it's more the way that Trump handled them. The fact that he took so long to condemn the neo-Nazis by name played right into their hands. A lot of them believed that he was on their side, and when he refused to call them out specifically, they took that as implicit support (see the Daily Stormer response to the speech, for example). If he'd specifically condemned the neo-Nazis straight away and then condemned all violence, I don't think so many people would have criticized him. The fact that he took so long initially, and then backtracked again, emboldened the neo-Nazis. Only one side (between the neo-Nazis and counter-protesters, that is) has given support for Trump (and criticizing them would at least answer that question) and only one has an ideology that is inherently violent, hateful, racist, etc. (at least to the extent that it is). If he intends to or not, he comes across as wanting to shy away from condeming nazi ideology, and trying to be "fair and equal " in blame when he almost never has for matters before. He has proven time and time again he doesn't hold back and strikes with all his fury. But this terror attack, he is suddenly reserved and proper? It doesn't make sense. --- http://i.imgur.com/BGbZK.gif <cite>Funkydog posted [p:884940841] in Im confuse... [t:75680005]...</cite> <quote><cite>NeoShadowhen posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Funkydog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DirkDiggles posted...</cite> <quote>As hideous and disgusting as the alt-right, Neo-Nazis, and the white supremacists message is, the left, mainly Antifa, did go there looking for a fight. It's outright unacceptable and damn vile that a person had to die expressing her first amendment right. Anybody that thinks that only one side is to blame is either delusional or just plain trolling. It's like blaming just one side for all the gang violence inside an inner city. Is it the Cripts fault, is it the Bloods fault, or is it both sides fault?</quote> Perhaps. But how would you feel if he said "both sides are bad" in response to any other terror attack? He calls other terrorists sad and thugs, but in this case "some of them are good people" - it is a severe change in language to his usual kind. And for a group of people with nazis among them.</quote> In a vacuum, I'd agree. But this attack happened in the context of a year of escalating violence between antifa and the groups it counter-protests against, not all of whom are white identitarians. Surely anyone who saw the footage of the guy taking a bike lock to the head knew it was only a matter of time before someone was killed. This has been building for a while. The only appropriate response is to call out the violence on all sides. Unless of course, you're pushing for more violence, which admittedly a lot of people are.</quote> The violence on both sides was not good, no. but what Luigi said is fueling the anger against Trump. <cite>luigi13579 posted...</cite> <quote>On his speeches, I think it's more the way that Trump handled them. The fact that he took so long to condemn the neo-Nazis by name played right into their hands. A lot of them believed that he was on their side, and when he refused to call them out specifically, they took that as implicit support (see the Daily Stormer response to the speech, for example). If he'd specifically condemned the neo-Nazis straight away and then condemned all violence, I don't think so many people would have criticized him. The fact that he took so long initially, and then backtracked again, emboldened the neo-Nazis. Only one side (between the neo-Nazis and counter-protesters, that is) has given support for Trump (and criticizing them would at least answer that question) and only one has an ideology that is inherently violent, hateful, racist, etc. (at least to the extent that it is).</quote> If he intends to or not, he comes across as wanting to shy away from condeming nazi ideology, and trying to be "fair and equal " in blame when he almost never has for matters before. He has proven time and time again he doesn't hold back and strikes with all his fury. But this terror attack, he is suddenly reserved and proper? It doesn't make sense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Capn Circus 08/17/17 10:46:18 AM #52:	Trump was right to condemn both sides and he spoke the truth. To give one group a pass for violence, to ignore it or lie about because the other group had Nazis intellectually dishonest. Trump condemned hatred and bigotry during his first statement and he's condemned KKK, etc. repeatedly in the past and even way before he ever ran. People saying Trump is condoning them are hysterical and really most people see through it. The fake news media is embarrassing themselves again --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks <cite>Capn Circus posted [p:884940853] in Im confuse... [t:75680005]...</cite> <quote>Trump was right to condemn both sides and he spoke the truth. To give one group a pass for violence, to ignore it or lie about because the other group had Nazis intellectually dishonest. Trump condemned hatred and bigotry during his first statement and he's condemned KKK, etc. repeatedly in the past and even way before he ever ran. People saying Trump is condoning them are hysterical and really most people see through it. The fake news media is embarrassing themselves again</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
That_Happened 08/17/17 10:47:30 AM #53:	Capn Circus posted... Don't forget to wipe your ass. --- http://fusionanomaly.net/magnoliabutitdidhappen.jpg <cite>That_Happened posted [p:884940902] in Im confuse... [t:75680005]...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> Don't forget to wipe your ass.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ThePredominate 08/17/17 10:53:08 AM #55:	You're all perverting what Trump actually said (and so is the media): He said there were "some fine people" protesting against the statues removal who were not there under a white nationalist or Nazi agenda. He condemned anyone there under those agendas. He also condemned people from the other side who were violent. --- Keep your face to the Sunshine, and you will not see the Shadows. <cite>ThePredominate posted [p:884941188] in Im confuse... [t:75680005]...</cite> <quote>You're all perverting what Trump actually said (and so is the media): He said there were "some fine people" protesting against the statues removal who were not there under a white nationalist or Nazi agenda. He condemned anyone there under those agendas. He also condemned people from the other side who were violent.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 08/17/17 10:55:41 AM #56:	ThePredominate posted... You're all perverting what Trump actually said (and so is the media): He said there were "some fine people" protesting against the statues removal who were not there under a white nationalist or Nazi agenda. He condemned anyone there under those agendas. He also condemned people from the other side who were violent. Tell me who among the Nazis and the Klan were the good people ? --- Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:884941290] in Im confuse... [t:75680005]...</cite> <quote><cite>ThePredominate posted...</cite> <quote>You're all perverting what Trump actually said (and so is the media): He said there were "some fine people" protesting against the statues removal who were not there under a white nationalist or Nazi agenda. He condemned anyone there under those agendas. He also condemned people from the other side who were violent.</quote> Tell me who among the Nazis and the Klan were the good people ?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Capn Circus 08/17/17 10:56:43 AM #57:	Asherlee10 posted... Capn Circus posted... Trump was right to condemn both sides and he spoke the truth. To give one group a pass for violence, to ignore it or lie about because the other group had Nazis intellectually dishonest. Trump condemned hatred and bigotry during his first statement and he's condemned KKK, etc. repeatedly in the past and even way before he ever ran. People saying Trump is condoning them are hysterical and really most people see through it. The fake news media is embarrassing themselves again People like Capn Circus are sincerely alarming. And people like you are flat out liars and truth spinners. Or delusional. Or all of the above --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks <cite>Capn Circus posted [p:884941333] in Im confuse... [t:75680005]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote>Trump was right to condemn both sides and he spoke the truth. To give one group a pass for violence, to ignore it or lie about because the other group had Nazis intellectually dishonest. Trump condemned hatred and bigotry during his first statement and he's condemned KKK, etc. repeatedly in the past and even way before he ever ran. People saying Trump is condoning them are hysterical and really most people see through it. The fake news media is embarrassing themselves again</quote> People like Capn Circus are sincerely alarming.</quote> And people like you are flat out liars and truth spinners. Or delusional. Or all of the above</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NeoShadowhen 08/17/17 10:58:35 AM #60:	Funkydog posted... NeoShadowhen posted... Funkydog posted... DirkDiggles posted... As hideous and disgusting as the alt-right, Neo-Nazis, and the white supremacists message is, the left, mainly Antifa, did go there looking for a fight. It's outright unacceptable and damn vile that a person had to die expressing her first amendment right. Anybody that thinks that only one side is to blame is either delusional or just plain trolling. It's like blaming just one side for all the gang violence inside an inner city. Is it the Cripts fault, is it the Bloods fault, or is it both sides fault? Perhaps. But how would you feel if he said "both sides are bad" in response to any other terror attack? He calls other terrorists sad and thugs, but in this case "some of them are good people" - it is a severe change in language to his usual kind. And for a group of people with nazis among them. In a vacuum, I'd agree. But this attack happened in the context of a year of escalating violence between antifa and the groups it counter-protests against, not all of whom are white identitarians. Surely anyone who saw the footage of the guy taking a bike lock to the head knew it was only a matter of time before someone was killed. This has been building for a while. The only appropriate response is to call out the violence on all sides. Unless of course, you're pushing for more violence, which admittedly a lot of people are. The violence on both sides was not good, no. but what Luigi said is fueling the anger against Trump. luigi13579 posted... On his speeches, I think it's more the way that Trump handled them. The fact that he took so long to condemn the neo-Nazis by name played right into their hands. A lot of them believed that he was on their side, and when he refused to call them out specifically, they took that as implicit support (see the Daily Stormer response to the speech, for example). If he'd specifically condemned the neo-Nazis straight away and then condemned all violence, Iso long initially, and then backtracked again, emboldened the neo-Nazis. Only one side (between the neo-Nazis and counter-protesters, that is) has given support for Trump (and criticizing them would at least answer that question) and only one has an ideology that is inherently violent, hateful, racist, etc. (at least to the extent that it is). If he intends to or not, he comes across as wanting to shy away from condeming nazi ideology, and trying to be "fair and equal " in blame when he almost never has for matters before. He has proven time and time again he doesn't hold back and strikes with all his fury. But this terror attack, he is suddenly reserved and proper? It doesn't make sense. That's a fair point. The only explanation I could see would be that perhaps it's because both parties are American. Clearly it's debatable if the president is racist, as that debate is going on right now, but I don't think it's debatable that he is nationalistic as fuck. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he puts on the brakes when its citizens vs. citizens. He's also rather boisterous when it comes to crime, which would also be citizen vs. citizen, but in that scenario it's easier to show one side (law abiding citizens) as the clear victim. In this particular situation you had both side acting unlawfully (commiting violence). If anything, his words seem to be trying to put all people who use violence in one basket and everyone else in the other, regardless of what side they were on. Kind of a lawful neutral approach, which while flawed, would be the most effective path to restoring order, at least in the short term. <cite>NeoShadowhen posted [p:884941420] in Im confuse... [t:75680005]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funkydog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>NeoShadowhen posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Funkydog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DirkDiggles posted...</cite> <quote>As hideous and disgusting as the alt-right, Neo-Nazis, and the white supremacists message is, the left, mainly Antifa, did go there looking for a fight. It's outright unacceptable and damn vile that a person had to die expressing her first amendment right. Anybody that thinks that only one side is to blame is either delusional or just plain trolling. It's like blaming just one side for all the gang violence inside an inner city. Is it the Cripts fault, is it the Bloods fault, or is it both sides fault?</quote> Perhaps. But how would you feel if he said "both sides are bad" in response to any other terror attack? He calls other terrorists sad and thugs, but in this case "some of them are good people" - it is a severe change in language to his usual kind. And for a group of people with nazis among them.</quote> In a vacuum, I'd agree. But this attack happened in the context of a year of escalating violence between antifa and the groups it counter-protests against, not all of whom are white identitarians. Surely anyone who saw the footage of the guy taking a bike lock to the head knew it was only a matter of time before someone was killed. This has been building for a while. The only appropriate response is to call out the violence on all sides. Unless of course, you're pushing for more violence, which admittedly a lot of people are.</quote> The violence on both sides was not good, no. but what Luigi said is fueling the anger against Trump. <cite>luigi13579 posted...</cite> <quote>On his speeches, I think it's more the way that Trump handled them. The fact that he took so long to condemn the neo-Nazis by name played right into their hands. A lot of them believed that he was on their side, and when he refused to call them out specifically, they took that as implicit support (see the Daily Stormer response to the speech, for example). If he'd specifically condemned the neo-Nazis straight away and then condemned all violence, Iso long initially, and then backtracked again, emboldened the neo-Nazis. Only one side (between the neo-Nazis and counter-protesters, that is) has given support for Trump (and criticizing them would at least answer that question) and only one has an ideology that is inherently violent, hateful, racist, etc. (at least to the extent that it is).</quote> If he intends to or not, he comes across as wanting to shy away from condeming nazi ideology, and trying to be "fair and equal " in blame when he almost never has for matters before. He has proven time and time again he doesn't hold back and strikes with all his fury. But this terror attack, he is suddenly reserved and proper? It doesn't make sense.</quote> That's a fair point. The only explanation I could see would be that perhaps it's because both parties are American. Clearly it's debatable if the president is racist, as that debate is going on right now, but I don't think it's debatable that he is nationalistic as fuck. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he puts on the brakes when its citizens vs. citizens. He's also rather boisterous when it comes to crime, which would also be citizen vs. citizen, but in that scenario it's easier to show one side (law abiding citizens) as the clear victim. In this particular situation you had both side acting unlawfully (commiting violence). If anything, his words seem to be trying to put all people who use violence in one basket and everyone else in the other, regardless of what side they were on. Kind of a lawful neutral approach, which while flawed, would be the most effective path to restoring order, at least in the short term.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Iwin2013 08/17/17 11:00:33 AM #61:	Asherlee10 posted... Some points that are worth noting (correct me if I'm wrong): 1. The white supremacists showed up with weapons and riot shields to "peacefully protest" 2. Only some of the anti-protestors showed up with weapons as a response to the white supremacists with weapons 3. Some of the anti-protestors were military veterans (in wheelchairs), some just had signs, etc. 4. Trump took 2 days to 'condemn' the neo-nazis claiming that he wanted to wait to get "all the facts." 5. When he finally did condemn them, he said that there were good guys in the white supremacist's crowd and that they 'alt-left' is to blame for the violence. Love how you completely ignored those who was throwing piss and bricks at the other side. Love how you completely ignored that it wasn't "Two Days". He made a tweet later that evening. But what can I say? You, Asherlee are biased. So you shouldn't be commenting on anything that is Trump related. --- #TheSmarkBrotherhood <cite>Iwin2013 posted [p:884941514] in Im confuse... [t:75680005]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote>Some points that are worth noting (correct me if I'm wrong): 1. The white supremacists showed up with weapons and riot shields to "peacefully protest" 2. Only some of the anti-protestors showed up with weapons as a response to the white supremacists with weapons 3. Some of the anti-protestors were military veterans (in wheelchairs), some just had signs, etc. 4. Trump took 2 days to 'condemn' the neo-nazis claiming that he wanted to wait to get "all the facts." 5. When he finally did condemn them, he said that there were good guys in the white supremacist's crowd and that they 'alt-left' is to blame for the violence.</quote> Love how you completely ignored those who was throwing piss and bricks at the other side. Love how you completely ignored that it wasn't "Two Days". He made a tweet later that evening. But what can I say? You, Asherlee are biased. So you shouldn't be commenting on anything that is Trump related.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePredominate 08/17/17 11:01:13 AM #62:	Asherlee10 posted... cjsdowg posted... ThePredominate posted... You're all perverting what Trump actually said (and so is the media): He said there were "some fine people" protesting against the statues removal who were not there under a white nationalist or Nazi agenda. He condemned anyone there under those agendas. He also condemned people from the other side who were violent. Tell me who among the Nazis and the Klan were the good people ? I would also be curious to know who wasn't a Neo-Nazi, white supremacist, or Klan member that was "peacefully protesting" the removal of the statue. I wasn't there and neither were you. Assumptions are empty. Who are we to say there wasn't innocents there? Maybe people who thought political correctness had gone too far with the statue being removed, as Trump referenced when talking about George Washington's statue; "where will it end?" --- Keep your face to the Sunshine, and you will not see the Shadows. <cite>ThePredominate posted [p:884941541] in Im confuse... [t:75680005]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ThePredominate posted...</cite> <quote>You're all perverting what Trump actually said (and so is the media): He said there were "some fine people" protesting against the statues removal who were not there under a white nationalist or Nazi agenda. He condemned anyone there under those agendas. He also condemned people from the other side who were violent.</quote> Tell me who among the Nazis and the Klan were the good people ?</quote> I would also be curious to know who wasn't a Neo-Nazi, white supremacist, or Klan member that was "peacefully protesting" the removal of the statue.</quote> I wasn't there and neither were you. Assumptions are empty. Who are we to say there wasn't innocents there? Maybe people who thought political correctness had gone too far with the statue being removed, as Trump referenced when talking about George Washington's statue; "where will it end?"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Deadpool 08/17/17 11:02:11 AM #63:	Can you imagine if instead of a Nazi flag that exact same protest was flying an ISIS flag? --- We are living in a world today where lemonade is made from artificial flavors and furniture polish is made from real lemons. <cite>The Deadpool posted [p:884941595] in Im confuse... [t:75680005]...</cite> <quote>Can you imagine if instead of a Nazi flag that exact same protest was flying an ISIS flag?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
That_Happened 08/17/17 11:02:37 AM #64:	ThePredominate posted... He said there were "some fine people" protesting against the statues removal who were not there under a white nationalist or Nazi agenda. Could have sworn that each protest, even the ones about the statues, were sponsored by white nationalists. So unless someone was not given the details, pretty much everyone there knew who was running the show. --- http://fusionanomaly.net/magnoliabutitdidhappen.jpg <cite>That_Happened posted [p:884941608] in Im confuse... [t:75680005]...</cite> <quote><cite>ThePredominate posted...</cite> <quote>He said there were "some fine people" protesting against the statues removal who were not there under a white nationalist or Nazi agenda.</quote> Could have sworn that each protest, even the ones about the statues, were sponsored by white nationalists. So unless someone was not given the details, pretty much everyone there knew who was running the show.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Iwin2013 08/17/17 11:03:02 AM #65:	ThePredominate posted... Asherlee10 posted... cjsdowg posted... ThePredominate posted... You're all perverting what Trump actually said (and so is the media): He said there were "some fine people" protesting against the statues removal who were not there under a white nationalist or Nazi agenda. He condemned anyone there under those agendas. He also condemned people from the other side who were violent. Tell me who among the Nazis and the Klan were the good people ? I would also be curious to know who wasn't a Neo-Nazi, white supremacist, or Klan member that was "peacefully protesting" the removal of the statue. I wasn't there and neither were you. Assumptions are empty. Who are we to say there wasn't innocents there? Maybe people who thought political correctness had gone too far with the statue being removed, as Trump referenced when talking about George Washington's statue; "where will it end?" --- #TheSmarkBrotherhood <cite>Iwin2013 posted [p:884941626] in Im confuse... [t:75680005]...</cite> <quote><cite>ThePredominate posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ThePredominate posted...</cite> <quote>You're all perverting what Trump actually said (and so is the media): He said there were "some fine people" protesting against the statues removal who were not there under a white nationalist or Nazi agenda. He condemned anyone there under those agendas. He also condemned people from the other side who were violent.</quote> Tell me who among the Nazis and the Klan were the good people ?</quote> I would also be curious to know who wasn't a Neo-Nazi, white supremacist, or Klan member that was "peacefully protesting" the removal of the statue.</quote> I wasn't there and neither were you. Assumptions are empty. Who are we to say there wasn't innocents there? Maybe people who thought political correctness had gone too far with the statue being removed, as Trump referenced when talking about George Washington's statue; "where will it end?"</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 08/17/17 11:03:36 AM #66:	ThePredominate posted... I wasn't there and neither were you. Assumptions are empty. Who are we to say there wasn't innocents there? Maybe people who thought political correctness had gone too far with the statue being removed, as Trump referenced when talking about George Washington's statue; "where will it end?" Most good people love places when the nazi flags and the racist chants come out. Tell me if you were a good person would you stand side by side with a literally nazi, for a statue for a slaver. --- Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:884941650] in Im confuse... [t:75680005]...</cite> <quote><cite>ThePredominate posted...</cite> <quote> I wasn't there and neither were you. Assumptions are empty. Who are we to say there wasn't innocents there? Maybe people who thought political correctness had gone too far with the statue being removed, as Trump referenced when talking about George Washington's statue; "where will it end?"</quote> Most good people love places when the nazi flags and the racist chants come out. Tell me if you were a good person would you stand side by side with a literally nazi, for a statue for a slaver.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Iwin2013 08/17/17 11:03:39 AM #67:	The Deadpool posted... Can you imagine if instead of a Nazi flag that exact same protest was flying an ISIS flag? Close your account, you're a disgrace to Deadpool fans everywhere. --- #TheSmarkBrotherhood <cite>Iwin2013 posted [p:884941654] in Im confuse... [t:75680005]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Deadpool posted...</cite> <quote>Can you imagine if instead of a Nazi flag that exact same protest was flying an ISIS flag?</quote> Close your account, you're a disgrace to Deadpool fans everywhere.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Deadpool 08/17/17 11:04:36 AM #68:	Iwin2013 posted... The Deadpool posted... Can you imagine if instead of a Nazi flag that exact same protest was flying an ISIS flag? Close your account, you're a disgrace to Deadpool fans everywhere. Are you upset I was being unfair to ISIS? I mean I know they're not as bad as Nazis but there really isn't a closer analogue... --- We are living in a world today where lemonade is made from artificial flavors and furniture polish is made from real lemons. <cite>The Deadpool posted [p:884941701] in Im confuse... [t:75680005]...</cite> <quote><cite>Iwin2013 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Deadpool posted...</cite> <quote>Can you imagine if instead of a Nazi flag that exact same protest was flying an ISIS flag?</quote> Close your account, you're a disgrace to Deadpool fans everywhere.</quote> Are you upset I was being unfair to ISIS? I mean I know they're not as bad as Nazis but there really isn't a closer analogue...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Iwin2013 08/17/17 11:04:49 AM #69:	cjsdowg posted... ThePredominate posted... I wasn't there and neither were you. Assumptions are empty. Who are we to say there wasn't innocents there? Maybe people who thought political correctness had gone too far with the statue being removed, as Trump referenced when talking about George Washington's statue; "where will it end?" Most good people love places when the nazi flags and the racist chants come out. Tell me if you were a good person would you stand side by side with a literally nazi, for a statue for a slaver. It's about history, not about fucking racism, you dolt. You leftists always has to make race the everyday pulling card, Jesus. --- #TheSmarkBrotherhood <cite>Iwin2013 posted [p:884941722] in Im confuse... [t:75680005]...</cite> <quote><cite>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ThePredominate posted...</cite> <quote> I wasn't there and neither were you. Assumptions are empty. Who are we to say there wasn't innocents there? Maybe people who thought political correctness had gone too far with the statue being removed, as Trump referenced when talking about George Washington's statue; "where will it end?"</quote> Most good people love places when the nazi flags and the racist chants come out. Tell me if you were a good person would you stand side by side with a literally nazi, for a statue for a slaver.</quote> It's about history, not about fucking racism, you dolt. You leftists always has to make race the everyday pulling card, Jesus.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 08/17/17 11:04:53 AM #70:	ThePredominate posted... I wasn't there and neither were you. Assumptions are empty. Who are we to say there wasn't innocents there? Maybe people who thought political correctness had gone too far with the statue being removed, as Trump referenced when talking about George Washington's statue; "where will it end?" It was a "Unite the Right" rally at which people carried torches and chanted "blood and soil." There was coverage weeks in advance noting that it was organized by white nationalists. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:884941728] in Im confuse... [t:75680005]...</cite> <quote><cite>ThePredominate posted...</cite> <quote>I wasn't there and neither were you. Assumptions are empty. Who are we to say there wasn't innocents there? Maybe people who thought political correctness had gone too far with the statue being removed, as Trump referenced when talking about George Washington's statue; "where will it end?" </quote> It was a "Unite the Right" rally at which people carried torches and chanted "blood and soil." There was coverage weeks in advance noting that it was organized by white nationalists.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
That_Happened 08/17/17 11:05:29 AM #71:	ThePredominate posted... Asherlee10 posted... cjsdowg posted... ThePredominate posted... You're all perverting what Trump actually said (and so is the media): He said there were "some fine people" protesting against the statues removal who were not there under a white nationalist or Nazi agenda. He condemned anyone there under those agendas. He also condemned people from the other side who were violent. Tell me who among the Nazis and the Klan were the good people ? I would also be curious to know who wasn't a Neo-Nazi, white supremacist, or Klan member that was "peacefully protesting" the removal of the statue. I wasn't there and neither were you. Assumptions are empty. Who are we to say there wasn't innocents there? Was Trump there? Because 5 minutes ago you were defending his statement that there were "some fine people" protesting the statues there. So if Asherlee's assumptions are "empty" then how the hell can you defend Trump's assumptions? --- http://fusionanomaly.net/magnoliabutitdidhappen.jpg <cite>That_Happened posted [p:884941754] in Im confuse... [t:75680005]...</cite> <quote><cite>ThePredominate posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ThePredominate posted...</cite> <quote>You're all perverting what Trump actually said (and so is the media): He said there were "some fine people" protesting against the statues removal who were not there under a white nationalist or Nazi agenda. He condemned anyone there under those agendas. He also condemned people from the other side who were violent.</quote> Tell me who among the Nazis and the Klan were the good people ?</quote> I would also be curious to know who wasn't a Neo-Nazi, white supremacist, or Klan member that was "peacefully protesting" the removal of the statue.</quote> I wasn't there and neither were you. Assumptions are empty. Who are we to say there wasn't innocents there?</quote> Was Trump there? Because 5 minutes ago you were defending his statement that there were "some fine people" protesting the statues there. So if Asherlee's assumptions are "empty" then how the hell can you defend Trump's assumptions?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Iwin2013 08/17/17 11:05:46 AM #72:	The Deadpool posted... Iwin2013 posted... The Deadpool posted... Can you imagine if instead of a Nazi flag that exact same protest was flying an ISIS flag? Close your account, you're a disgrace to Deadpool fans everywhere. Are you upset I was being unfair to ISIS? I mean I know they're not as bad as Nazis but there really isn't a closer analogue... No, you're a shit tier. And don't have any credibility. --- #TheSmarkBrotherhood <cite>Iwin2013 posted [p:884941767] in Im confuse... [t:75680005]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Deadpool posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Iwin2013 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Deadpool posted...</cite> <quote>Can you imagine if instead of a Nazi flag that exact same protest was flying an ISIS flag?</quote> Close your account, you're a disgrace to Deadpool fans everywhere.</quote> Are you upset I was being unfair to ISIS? I mean I know they're not as bad as Nazis but there really isn't a closer analogue...</quote> No, you're a shit tier. And don't have any credibility.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Deadpool 08/17/17 11:06:54 AM #74:	Iwin2013 posted... It's about history, not about fucking racism, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4uwyctYy0s --- We are living in a world today where lemonade is made from artificial flavors and furniture polish is made from real lemons. <cite>The Deadpool posted [p:884941815] in Im confuse... [t:75680005]...</cite> <quote><cite>Iwin2013 posted...</cite> <quote>It's about history, not about fucking racism,</quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4uwyctYy0s</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Iwin2013 08/17/17 11:07:28 AM #75:	That_Happened posted... ThePredominate posted... Asherlee10 posted... cjsdowg posted... ThePredominate posted... You're all perverting what Trump actually said (and so is the media): He said there were "some fine people" protesting against the statues removal who were not there under a white nationalist or Nazi agenda. He condemned anyone there under those agendas. He also condemned people from the other side who were violent. Tell me who among the Nazis and the Klan were the good people ? I would also be curious to know who wasn't a Neo-Nazi, white supremacist, or Klan member that was "peacefully protesting" the removal of the statue. I wasn't there and neither were you. Assumptions are empty. Who are we to say there wasn't innocents there? Was Trump there? Because 5 minutes ago you were defending his statement that there were "some fine people" protesting the statues there. So if Asherlee's assumptions are "empty" then how the hell can you defend Trump's assumptions? No, he wasn't but he has classified information that tells him what actually happened. No biased bullshit like your favorite news source the Salon cites out or Buzzfeed. --- #TheSmarkBrotherhood <cite>Iwin2013 posted [p:884941844] in Im confuse... [t:75680005]...</cite> <quote><cite>That_Happened posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ThePredominate posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ThePredominate posted...</cite> <quote>You're all perverting what Trump actually said (and so is the media): He said there were "some fine people" protesting against the statues removal who were not there under a white nationalist or Nazi agenda. He condemned anyone there under those agendas. He also condemned people from the other side who were violent.</quote> Tell me who among the Nazis and the Klan were the good people ?</quote> I would also be curious to know who wasn't a Neo-Nazi, white supremacist, or Klan member that was "peacefully protesting" the removal of the statue.</quote> I wasn't there and neither were you. Assumptions are empty. Who are we to say there wasn't innocents there?</quote> Was Trump there? Because 5 minutes ago you were defending his statement that there were "some fine people" protesting the statues there. So if Asherlee's assumptions are "empty" then how the hell can you defend Trump's assumptions?</quote> No, he wasn't but he has classified information that tells him what actually happened. No biased bullshit like your favorite news source the Salon cites out or Buzzfeed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 08/17/17 11:07:33 AM #76:	Iwin2013 posted... It's about history, not about fucking racism, This rally was absolutely not about history. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:884941850] in Im confuse... [t:75680005]...</cite> <quote><cite>Iwin2013 posted...</cite> <quote>It's about history, not about fucking racism,</quote> This rally was absolutely not about history.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Deadpool 08/17/17 11:08:05 AM #77:	Iwin2013 posted... The Deadpool posted... Iwin2013 posted... The Deadpool posted... Can you imagine if instead of a Nazi flag that exact same protest was flying an ISIS flag? Close your account, you're a disgrace to Deadpool fans everywhere. Are you upset I was being unfair to ISIS? I mean I know they're not as bad as Nazis but there really isn't a closer analogue... No, you're a shit tier. And don't have any credibility. Man, I haven't ever seen someone come on to defend ISIS this hard... --- We are living in a world today where lemonade is made from artificial flavors and furniture polish is made from real lemons. <cite>The Deadpool posted [p:884941877] in Im confuse... [t:75680005]...</cite> <quote><cite>Iwin2013 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Deadpool posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Iwin2013 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Deadpool posted...</cite> <quote>Can you imagine if instead of a Nazi flag that exact same protest was flying an ISIS flag?</quote> Close your account, you're a disgrace to Deadpool fans everywhere.</quote> Are you upset I was being unfair to ISIS? I mean I know they're not as bad as Nazis but there really isn't a closer analogue...</quote> No, you're a shit tier. And don't have any credibility.</quote> Man, I haven't ever seen someone come on to defend ISIS this hard...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
luigi13579 08/17/17 11:08:29 AM #78:	Iwin2013 posted... No, he wasn't but he has classified information that tells him what actually happened. No biased bullshit like your favorite news source the Salon cites out or Buzzfeed. Classified info from Fox News. <cite>luigi13579 posted [p:884941902] in Im confuse... [t:75680005]...</cite> <quote><cite>Iwin2013 posted...</cite> <quote>No, he wasn't but he has classified information that tells him what actually happened. No biased bullshit like your favorite news source the Salon cites out or Buzzfeed.</quote> Classified info from Fox News.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Funkydog 08/17/17 11:08:52 AM #80:	NeoShadowhen posted... That's a fair point. The only explanation I could see would be that perhaps it's because both parties are American. Clearly it's debatable if the president is racist, as that debate is going on right now, but I don't think it's debatable that he is nationalistic as fuck. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he puts on the brakes when its citizens vs. citizens. He's also rather boisterous when it comes to crime, which would also be citizen vs. citizen, but in that scenario it's easier to show one side (law abiding citizens) as the clear victim. In this particular situation you had both side acting unlawfully (commiting violence). If anything, his words seem to be trying to put all people who use violence in one basket and everyone else in the other, regardless of what side they were on. Kind of a lawful neutral approach, which while flawed, would be the most effective path to restoring order, at least in the short term. I think the issue is he has never been like that before, so the sudden change looks strange to people. His actions come with certain expectations, people expected him to rudely or even childishly condemn them, not wait a few days to do it and then backtrack almost immediately. If he had a reputation of handling things better, or even did it immediately, then the response wouldnt be nearly as bad I think. --- http://i.imgur.com/BGbZK.gif <cite>Funkydog posted [p:884941920] in Im confuse... [t:75680005]...</cite> <quote><cite>NeoShadowhen posted...</cite> <quote>That's a fair point. The only explanation I could see would be that perhaps it's because both parties are American. Clearly it's debatable if the president is racist, as that debate is going on right now, but I don't think it's debatable that he is nationalistic as fuck. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he puts on the brakes when its citizens vs. citizens. He's also rather boisterous when it comes to crime, which would also be citizen vs. citizen, but in that scenario it's easier to show one side (law abiding citizens) as the clear victim. In this particular situation you had both side acting unlawfully (commiting violence). If anything, his words seem to be trying to put all people who use violence in one basket and everyone else in the other, regardless of what side they were on. Kind of a lawful neutral approach, which while flawed, would be the most effective path to restoring order, at least in the short term.</quote> I think the issue is he has never been like that before, so the sudden change looks strange to people. His actions come with certain expectations, people expected him to rudely or even childishly condemn them, not wait a few days to do it and then backtrack almost immediately. If he had a reputation of handling things better, or even did it immediately, then the response wouldnt be nearly as bad I think.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HHH is the game 08/17/17 11:09:12 AM #81:	But here's the question. Did the car driver do it because he was a nazi? Or because he was in the middle of a violent issue between two opposing , violent , and angry sides. Like gang violence as mentioned. If it's the latter the president CANT take sides really as neither side should be violent against the other. If it was a peaceful protest that was attacked the issue would be way more clear. --- Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver <cite>HHH is the game posted [p:884941937] in Im confuse... [t:75680005]...</cite> <quote>But here's the question. Did the car driver do it because he was a nazi? Or because he was in the middle of a violent issue between two opposing , violent , and angry sides. Like gang violence as mentioned. If it's the latter the president CANT take sides really as neither side should be violent against the other. If it was a peaceful protest that was attacked the issue would be way more clear.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ThePredominate 08/17/17 11:11:24 AM #83:	That_Happened posted... ThePredominate posted... Asherlee10 posted... cjsdowg posted... ThePredominate posted... You're all perverting what Trump actually said (and so is the media): He said there were "some fine people" protesting against the statues removal who were not there under a white nationalist or Nazi agenda. He condemned anyone there under those agendas. He also condemned people from the other side who were violent. Tell me who among the Nazis and the Klan were the good people ? I would also be curious to know who wasn't a Neo-Nazi, white supremacist, or Klan member that was "peacefully protesting" the removal of the statue. I wasn't there and neither were you. Assumptions are empty. Who are we to say there wasn't innocents there? Was Trump there? Because 5 minutes ago you were defending his statement that there were "some fine people" protesting the statues there. So if Asherlee's assumptions are "empty" then how the hell can you defend Trump's assumptions? He's the President, and he seemed pretty sure about it, made a point of noting it. Nobody has queried it in the media and they sure don't drop the ball on finding fuel against him. He condemned the racists and made an exception to those there who weren't. If they weren't even there, why make an exception for an imaginary group of people? --- Keep your face to the Sunshine, and you will not see the Shadows. <cite>ThePredominate posted [p:884942026] in Im confuse... [t:75680005]...</cite> <quote><cite>That_Happened posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ThePredominate posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ThePredominate posted...</cite> <quote>You're all perverting what Trump actually said (and so is the media): He said there were "some fine people" protesting against the statues removal who were not there under a white nationalist or Nazi agenda. He condemned anyone there under those agendas. He also condemned people from the other side who were violent.</quote> Tell me who among the Nazis and the Klan were the good people ?</quote> I would also be curious to know who wasn't a Neo-Nazi, white supremacist, or Klan member that was "peacefully protesting" the removal of the statue.</quote> I wasn't there and neither were you. Assumptions are empty. Who are we to say there wasn't innocents there?</quote> Was Trump there? Because 5 minutes ago you were defending his statement that there were "some fine people" protesting the statues there. So if Asherlee's assumptions are "empty" then how the hell can you defend Trump's assumptions?</quote> He's the President, and he seemed pretty sure about it, made a point of noting it. Nobody has queried it in the media and they sure don't drop the ball on finding fuel against him. He condemned the racists and made an exception to those there who weren't. If they weren't even there, why make an exception for an imaginary group of people?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 08/17/17 11:12:09 AM #84:	Iwin2013 posted... It's about history, not about f*ing racism, you dolt. You leftists always has to make race the everyday pulling card, Jesus. Literally Nazis yelling racist chants is not about the racism. White nationals and Klan members marching is not about race. Get over yourself. BTW you people don't care about history. the CSA lasted for 4 years, and that is what you people want to focuse on? --- Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:884942066] in Im confuse... [t:75680005]...</cite> <quote><cite>Iwin2013 posted...</cite> <quote> It's about history, not about f*ing racism, you dolt. You leftists always has to make race the everyday pulling card, Jesus.</quote> Literally Nazis yelling racist chants is not about the racism. White nationals and Klan members marching is not about race. Get over yourself. BTW you people don't care about history. the CSA lasted for 4 years, and that is what you people want to focuse on?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
luigi13579 08/17/17 11:12:48 AM #85:	HHH is the game posted... But here's the question. Did the car driver do it because he was a nazi? Or because he was in the middle of a violent issue between two opposing , violent , and angry sides. Like gang violence as mentioned. Maybe a bit of both, but I think that violence at that particular moment is overstated. Again, if you check the videos, the people in that area, including those that were run over, were protesting peacefully. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU0K0KmSfBs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4MKwzPYrbk <cite>luigi13579 posted [p:884942098] in Im confuse... [t:75680005]...</cite> <quote><cite>HHH is the game posted...</cite> <quote>But here's the question. Did the car driver do it because he was a nazi? Or because he was in the middle of a violent issue between two opposing , violent , and angry sides. Like gang violence as mentioned. </quote> Maybe a bit of both, but I think that violence at that particular moment is overstated. Again, if you check the videos, the people in that area, including those that were run over, were protesting peacefully. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU0K0KmSfBs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4MKwzPYrbk</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
That_Happened 08/17/17 11:13:47 AM #86:	Iwin2013 posted... No, he wasn't but he has classified information Nah, if he had classified info he already would've shared it with people at a dinner party. chuckle ThePredominate posted... He's the President, and he seemed pretty sure about it, You mean like Obama being born in Kenya? And about the size of his inauguration crowd? And the 3 million illegal immigrants voting for Shillary? If at this point in his presidency you take Donald Trump's "certainty" with anything but a grain of salt, you are legally braindead. --- http://fusionanomaly.net/magnoliabutitdidhappen.jpg <cite>That_Happened posted [p:884942144] in Im confuse... [t:75680005]...</cite> <quote><cite>Iwin2013 posted...</cite> <quote>No, he wasn't but he has classified information</quote> Nah, if he had classified info he already would've shared it with people at a dinner party. chuckle <cite>ThePredominate posted...</cite> <quote>He's the President, and he seemed pretty sure about it,</quote> You mean like Obama being born in Kenya? And about the size of his inauguration crowd? And the 3 million illegal immigrants voting for Shillary? If at this point in his presidency you take Donald Trump's "certainty" with anything but a grain of salt, you are legally braindead.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Iwin2013 08/17/17 11:20:02 AM #87:	That_Happened posted... Iwin2013 posted... No, he wasn't but he has classified information Nah, if he had classified info he already would've shared it with people at a dinner party. chuckle ThePredominate posted... He's the President, and he seemed pretty sure about it, You mean like Obama being born in Kenya? And about the size of his inauguration crowd? And the 3 million illegal immigrants voting for Shillary? If at this point in his presidency you take Donald Trump's "certainty" with anything but a grain of salt, you are legally braindead. Or maybe you are, because you are fucking remedial. --- #TheSmarkBrotherhood <cite>Iwin2013 posted [p:884942484] in Im confuse... [t:75680005]...</cite> <quote><cite>That_Happened posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Iwin2013 posted...</cite> <quote>No, he wasn't but he has classified information</quote> Nah, if he had classified info he already would've shared it with people at a dinner party. chuckle <cite>ThePredominate posted...</cite> <quote>He's the President, and he seemed pretty sure about it,</quote> You mean like Obama being born in Kenya? And about the size of his inauguration crowd? And the 3 million illegal immigrants voting for Shillary? If at this point in his presidency you take Donald Trump's "certainty" with anything but a grain of salt, you are legally braindead.</quote> Or maybe you are, because you are fucking remedial.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Iwin2013 08/17/17 11:21:06 AM #88:	Asherlee10 posted... Iwin2013 posted... Asherlee10 posted... Some points that are worth noting (correct me if I'm wrong): 1. The white supremacists showed up with weapons and riot shields to "peacefully protest" 2. Only some of the anti-protestors showed up with weapons as a response to the white supremacists with weapons 3. Some of the anti-protestors were military veterans (in wheelchairs), some just had signs, etc. 4. Trump took 2 days to 'condemn' the neo-nazis claiming that he wanted to wait to get "all the facts." 5. When he finally did condemn them, he said that there were good guys in the white supremacist's crowd and that they 'alt-left' is to blame for the violence. Love how you completely ignored those who was throwing piss and bricks at the other side. Love how you completely ignored that it wasn't "Two Days". He made a tweet later that evening. But what can I say? You, Asherlee are biased. So you shouldn't be commenting on anything that is Trump related. Would you like me specifically name what the arsenal was for those involved in the fighting? That seems absurd. Point #2 mentions that counter-protestors showed up with weapons, also. I didn't "completely ignore" anything. Trump took two full days to finally muster up the courage to condemn the neo-nazis and white supremacists. As I specifically said. And you don't get to tell me what I can and cannot comment on. That sort of language is uncalled for. YEAH... Two days..... https://imgur.com/a/zs3ST --- #TheSmarkBrotherhood <cite>Iwin2013 posted [p:884942542] in Im confuse... [t:75680005]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Iwin2013 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote>Some points that are worth noting (correct me if I'm wrong): 1. The white supremacists showed up with weapons and riot shields to "peacefully protest" 2. Only some of the anti-protestors showed up with weapons as a response to the white supremacists with weapons 3. Some of the anti-protestors were military veterans (in wheelchairs), some just had signs, etc. 4. Trump took 2 days to 'condemn' the neo-nazis claiming that he wanted to wait to get "all the facts." 5. When he finally did condemn them, he said that there were good guys in the white supremacist's crowd and that they 'alt-left' is to blame for the violence.</quote> Love how you completely ignored those who was throwing piss and bricks at the other side. Love how you completely ignored that it wasn't "Two Days". He made a tweet later that evening. But what can I say? You, Asherlee are biased. So you shouldn't be commenting on anything that is Trump related.</quote> Would you like me specifically name what the arsenal was for those involved in the fighting? That seems absurd. Point #2 mentions that counter-protestors showed up with weapons, also. I didn't "completely ignore" anything. Trump took two full days to finally muster up the courage to condemn the neo-nazis and white supremacists. As I specifically said. And you don't get to tell me what I can and cannot comment on. That sort of language is uncalled for.</quote> YEAH... Two days..... https://imgur.com/a/zs3ST</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 08/17/17 11:35:22 AM #89:	You know a topic is bad when Differential has to drop his gimmick. --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera http://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:884943270] in Im confuse... [t:75680005]...</cite> <quote>You know a topic is bad when Differential has to drop his gimmick.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prince_leo 08/17/17 11:38:20 AM #90:	BLAKUboy posted... You know a topic is bad when Differential has to drop his gimmick. he's been dropping it a bit often, lately --- https://imgur.com/uHUvpSH http://error1355.com/ce/prince_leo.html <cite>prince_leo posted [p:884943417] in Im confuse... [t:75680005]...</cite> <quote><cite>BLAKUboy posted...</cite> <quote>You know a topic is bad when Differential has to drop his gimmick.</quote> he's been dropping it a bit often, lately</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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