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whitewimmin
08/16/17 10:48:32 PM
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http://prospect.org/article/steve-bannon-unrepentant

You might think from recent press accounts that Steve Bannon is on the ropes and therefore behaving prudently. In the aftermath of events in Charlottesville, he is widely blamed for his boss’s continuing indulgence of white supremacists. Allies of National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster hold Bannon responsible for a campaign by Breitbart News, which Bannon once led, to vilify the security chief. Trump’s defense of Bannon, at his Tuesday press conference, was tepid.

But Bannon was in high spirits when he phoned me Tuesday afternoon to discuss the politics of taking a harder line with China, and minced no words describing his efforts to neutralize his rivals at the Departments of Defense, State, and Treasury. “They’re wetting themselves,” he said, proceeding to detail how he would oust some of his opponents at State and Defense.

Needless to say, I was a little stunned to get an email from Bannon’s assistant midday Tuesday, just as all hell was breaking loose once again about Charlottesville, saying that Bannon wished to meet with me. I’d just published a column on how China was profiting from the U.S.-North Korea nuclear brinkmanship, and it included some choice words about Bannon’s boss.
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Far from dressing me down for comparing Trump to Kim, he began, “It’s a great honor to finally track you down. I’ve followed your writing for years and I think you and I are in the same boat when it comes to China. You absolutely nailed it.”

“We’re at economic war with China,” he added. “It’s in all their literature. They’re not shy about saying what they’re doing. One of us is going to be a hegemon in 25 or 30 years and it’s gonna be them if we go down this path. On Korea, they’re just tapping us along. It’s just a sideshow.”

Bannon said he might consider a deal in which China got North Korea to freeze its nuclear buildup with verifiable inspections and the United States removed its troops from the peninsula, but such a deal seemed remote. Given that China is not likely to do much more on North Korea, and that the logic of mutually assured destruction was its own source of restraint, Bannon saw no reason not to proceed with tough trade sanctions against China.

Contrary to Trump’s threat of fire and fury, Bannon said: “There’s no military solution [to North Korea’s nuclear threats], forget it. Until somebody solves the part of the equation that shows me that ten million people in Seoul don’t die in the first 30 minutes from conventional weapons, I don’t know what you’re talking about, there’s no military solution here, they got us.”
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“To me,” Bannon said, “the economic war with China is everything. And we have to be maniacally focused on that. If we continue to lose it, we're five years away, I think, ten years at the most, of hitting an inflection point from which we'll never be able to recover.”
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He dismissed the far right as irrelevant and sidestepped his own role in cultivating it: “Ethno-nationalism—it's losers. It's a fringe element. I think the media plays it up too much, and we gotta help crush it, you know, uh, help crush it more.”

“These guys are a collection of clowns,” he added.

From his lips to Trump’s ear.

“The Democrats,” he said, “the longer they talk about identity politics, I got ’em. I want them to talk about racism every day. If the left is focused on race and identity, and we go with economic nationalism, we can crush the Democrats.”

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ChromaticAngel
08/16/17 10:52:55 PM
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I can't believe literally the director of Breitbart looks sane compared to Donald Trump
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LightningAce11
08/16/17 10:54:25 PM
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Why did trump hire a racist blog editor to be his advisor?
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KiwiTerraRizing
08/16/17 10:56:05 PM
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His one valid point is China is poised to take over as the main economic power.
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TheDarkCircle
08/16/17 10:56:35 PM
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CEve Bannon
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thompsontalker7
08/16/17 10:56:35 PM
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“The Democrats,” he said, “the longer they talk about identity politics, I got ’em. I want them to talk about racism every day. If the left is focused on race and identity, and we go with economic nationalism, we can crush the Democrats.”

Well, he's not wrong.
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daftpunk_mk5
08/16/17 10:56:41 PM
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"Continuing indulgence"? He literally fucking denounced them last week.
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iPhone_7
08/16/17 10:57:43 PM
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KiwiTerraRizing posted...
His one valid point is China is poised to take over as the main economic power.

Is that really a new thing though? I thought that has been repeatedly mentioned for almost 2 decades now.
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Antifar
08/16/17 10:58:53 PM
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Update: this is the guy people think is a mastermind?

https://www.axios.com/bannons-colleagues-disturbed-by-interview-with-left-wing-publication-2473835346.html
Steve Bannon's White House colleagues can't believe what they're reading tonight — and here's the twist: neither can Bannon.

The White House chief strategist has told associates he never intended to do an "interview" with an editor at the American Prospect, a left-wing publication.

Bannon has told associates that he admired the author's stance on China, and so called the journalist, Robert Kuttner, on Tuesday, to discuss his piece. Apparently Bannon never thought that the journalist might take his (very newsworthy) comments and turn them into a story. It's Anthony Scaramucci all over again (minus the curse words.)

The result is not good for Bannon, who is already under pressure, with colleagues lined up against him and a president who agrees with him ideologically but tells associates he thinks Bannon is a leaker.

Here's what one of Bannon's colleagues — somebody who's not an enemy of his — told me after reading the piece: "Since Steve apparently enjoys casually undermining U.S. national security, I'll put this in terms he'll understand: This is DEFCON 1-level bad."

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ChromaticAngel
08/16/17 10:59:33 PM
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iPhone_7 posted...
KiwiTerraRizing posted...
His one valid point is China is poised to take over as the main economic power.

Is that really a new thing though? I thought that has been repeatedly mentioned for almost 2 decades now.

Yeah but no one is taking it seriously. The people with the power to do something about it refuse to act.
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Zeeak4444
08/16/17 11:03:29 PM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
I can't believe literally the director of Breitbart looks sane compared to Donald Trump


Dude, my thoughts exactly...
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Zeeak4444
08/16/17 11:07:47 PM
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Antifar posted...
Update: this is the guy people think is a mastermind?

https://www.axios.com/bannons-colleagues-disturbed-by-interview-with-left-wing-publication-2473835346.html
Steve Bannon's White House colleagues can't believe what they're reading tonight — and here's the twist: neither can Bannon.

The White House chief strategist has told associates he never intended to do an "interview" with an editor at the American Prospect, a left-wing publication.

Bannon has told associates that he admired the author's stance on China, and so called the journalist, Robert Kuttner, on Tuesday, to discuss his piece. Apparently Bannon never thought that the journalist might take his (very newsworthy) comments and turn them into a story. It's Anthony Scaramucci all over again (minus the curse words.)

The result is not good for Bannon, who is already under pressure, with colleagues lined up against him and a president who agrees with him ideologically but tells associates he thinks Bannon is a leaker.

Here's what one of Bannon's colleagues — somebody who's not an enemy of his — told me after reading the piece: "Since Steve apparently enjoys casually undermining U.S. national security, I'll put this in terms he'll understand: This is DEFCON 1-level bad."


That's amazing lmao
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Quorthon109
08/16/17 11:09:19 PM
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Why is it so hard for these guys to say "off the record"?
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boxington
08/16/17 11:09:26 PM
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Antifar posted...

imagine speaking so candidly to a reporter that you have no personal relationship with, and expecting something different.
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KiwiTerraRizing
08/16/17 11:09:41 PM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
iPhone_7 posted...
KiwiTerraRizing posted...
His one valid point is China is poised to take over as the main economic power.

Is that really a new thing though? I thought that has been repeatedly mentioned for almost 2 decades now.

Yeah but no one is taking it seriously. The people with the power to do something about it refuse to act.


They are buying up all the gold they can and are going to become the new world reserve currency.
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CanuckCowboy
08/16/17 11:14:30 PM
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If someone created a terrible political soap opera inspired by passions it would be more believable than the reality of American politics.
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Lorenzo_2003
08/16/17 11:15:50 PM
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Quorthon109 posted...
Why is it so hard for these guys to say "off the record"?


There's no such thing as off the record, at least not to a journalist. If you open your mouth to a reporter, they can do with it as they please, barring the discretion of their editor, of course.
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Samurontai
08/16/17 11:15:51 PM
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Quorthon109 posted...
Why is it so hard for these guys to say "off the record"?


Because republicans and intelligence do not mix very well
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Doom_Art
08/16/17 11:19:00 PM
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...
There's no such thing as off the record, at least not to a journalist. If you open your mouth to a reporter, they can do with it as they please, barring the discretion of their editor, of course.

This

It's like asking someone if they're a cop. There's nothing stopping them from lying.

Journalists can take whatever you say and publish it. Saying "off the record" does nothing.
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Antifar
08/16/17 11:23:41 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
Journalists can take whatever you say and publish it. Saying "off the record" does nothing.

True, but, any journalist that intends on lasting long is not going to burn someone like that.
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Zeeak4444
08/16/17 11:28:28 PM
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Antifar posted...
Doom_Art posted...
Journalists can take whatever you say and publish it. Saying "off the record" does nothing.

True, but, any journalist that intends on lasting long is not going to burn someone like that.

Not usually but I bet a hell of a lot of them wait for a call like this to do just that.
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Quorthon109
08/16/17 11:31:34 PM
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Antifar posted...
Doom_Art posted...
Journalists can take whatever you say and publish it. Saying "off the record" does nothing.

True, but, any journalist that intends on lasting long is not going to burn someone like that.


Exactly. Good luck getting anyone to talk to you again if you pull that.
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_Near_
08/16/17 11:33:48 PM
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Zeeak4444 posted...

Not usually but I bet a hell of a lot of them wait for a call like this to do just that.


but the point is that he didn't even need to break confidence, because it was never off the record.

journalists are hesitant to make a career-ending move for one story.
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Zeeak4444
08/16/17 11:37:02 PM
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_Near_ posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...

Not usually but I bet a hell of a lot of them wait for a call like this to do just that.


but the point is that he didn't even need to break confidence, because it was never off the record.

journalists are hesitant to make a career-ending move for one story.


Nah I didn't mean in general I meant a chance to possibly throw your career away but bringing some you fucking hate.

You know there's plenty of martyrs out there who'd give up anything if it might bring bannon down (I doubt this will though.
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smoliske
08/16/17 11:37:12 PM
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Antifar posted...
Update: this is the guy people think is a mastermind?

https://www.axios.com/bannons-colleagues-disturbed-by-interview-with-left-wing-publication-2473835346.html
Steve Bannon's White House colleagues can't believe what they're reading tonight — and here's the twist: neither can Bannon.

The White House chief strategist has told associates he never intended to do an "interview" with an editor at the American Prospect, a left-wing publication.

Bannon has told associates that he admired the author's stance on China, and so called the journalist, Robert Kuttner, on Tuesday, to discuss his piece. Apparently Bannon never thought that the journalist might take his (very newsworthy) comments and turn them into a story. It's Anthony Scaramucci all over again (minus the curse words.)

The result is not good for Bannon, who is already under pressure, with colleagues lined up against him and a president who agrees with him ideologically but tells associates he thinks Bannon is a leaker.

Here's what one of Bannon's colleagues — somebody who's not an enemy of his — told me after reading the piece: "Since Steve apparently enjoys casually undermining U.S. national security, I'll put this in terms he'll understand: This is DEFCON 1-level bad."


this is nothing anybody with a lick of common sense and an awareness of world affairs can't piece together themselves already
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_Near_
08/16/17 11:38:19 PM
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Zeeak4444 posted...

You know there's plenty of martyrs out there who'd give up anything if it might bring bannon down (I doubt this will though.


I don't think that many journalists with white house access would do that - given the what this presidency has survived.
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Zeeak4444
08/16/17 11:43:42 PM
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_Near_ posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...

You know there's plenty of martyrs out there who'd give up anything if it might bring bannon down (I doubt this will though.


I don't think that many journalists with white house access would do that - given the what this presidency has survived.


I don't think he has White House access. I could be wrong about that though.
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_Near_
08/16/17 11:45:13 PM
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Zeeak4444 posted...
_Near_ posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...

You know there's plenty of martyrs out there who'd give up anything if it might bring bannon down (I doubt this will though.


I don't think that many journalists with white house access would do that - given the what this presidency has survived.


I don't think he has White House access. I could be wrong about that though.


I mean, access to one-on-one in person interviews with top ranking white house officials
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Zeeak4444
08/16/17 11:56:31 PM
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_Near_ posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
_Near_ posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...

You know there's plenty of martyrs out there who'd give up anything if it might bring bannon down (I doubt this will though.


I don't think that many journalists with white house access would do that - given the what this presidency has survived.


I don't think he has White House access. I could be wrong about that though.


I mean, access to one-on-one in person interviews with top ranking white house officials


Oh I got ya, I mean I personally wouldn't myself but I know plenty that would in this situation.

Hell if I hated the guy enough I probably would. Just depends on how far one will go for "the greater good" lol whatever they precieve that to be. I know a lot of the left HATE bannon (for good reason). Dude might even be hailed a hero which tempts people to make rash decisions.
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The Deadpool
08/17/17 12:19:35 AM
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boxington posted...
imagine speaking so candidly to a reporter that you have no personal relationship with, and expecting something different.


Imagine doing that less than a month after the a scandal where someone did just that and mentioned your name!

Imagine doing that when you fancy yourself a newsman...
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