Current Events > Why do leftists hate moderates so much?

(+) Yeah! (+)

Sure I may or may reconize your issues, but I literally enjoy my life too much when you can improve your own outlook yourself.
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Notwithstanding the hardly legible OP, it's actually the other way around. Liberals hate leftists more than fascists.
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What are leftists
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if you're not with them, you're against them (and nazis).
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It's a tenet of critical theory that upholding the status quo is implicit approval of injustice/bigotry.

I agree to an extent but I think it is taken to the extreme on the internet sometimes. (By the way, that opinion counts as upholding the status quo.)
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Because moderates and independents are the reason why Hillary lost the election
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why is there a crowd of people who are vocal about their hate for cucks, but are down with watching a dude bang his step mother and step sister?
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Why do people ask questions with false pretenses?
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byron posted...

Why do grown men like pokemon, 5 year old anime girls, and cartoon ponies?

Why do grown men make these?
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because of their unwillingness (or maybe inability) to see that the current system is marginalizing people not by fault, but because it was designed to do so

that and their willingness to compromise with fascists
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They just spout some false equivalence meme then say you're a nazi if you don't take a hard left position on everything

Milkman5 posted...

They just spout some false equivalence meme then say you're a nazi if you don't take a hard left position on everything

No.
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Pro-tip: The people that are being called "moderates" right now are not actually moderates (probably) but are just people who have not taken a hard stance on the Charlottesville incident

Basically if you think even a little that there's compromise to be had, they'll call you a "centrist" for being in the middle I guess

Can't identify as a moderate anymore lmao
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The23rdMagus posted...

Milkman5 posted...

They just spout some false equivalence meme then say you're a nazi if you don't take a hard left position on everything

No.

Yes?
Literally every leftist says the same shit, it's cringey.

Calling antifa "anti-nazis" and saying if you aren't antifa, you are a nazi is like calling nazis "anti-communists" and saying if you aren't a nazi, you are a communist.

It's so unbelievably moronic

-Gavirulax- posted...

In my experience I get called either right-wing, alt-right or far-right (by the regressive left) for being for some form of free speech or criticizing Islam.
There is never any substance behind it.

You're talking to crazy people
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Milkman5 posted...

The23rdMagus posted...

Milkman5 posted...

They just spout some false equivalence meme then say you're a nazi if you don't take a hard left position on everything

No.

Yes?
Literally every leftist says the same shit, it's cringey.

Calling antifa "anti-nazis" and saying if you aren't antifa, you are a nazi is like calling nazis "anti-communists" and saying if you aren't a nazi, you are a communist.

It's so unbelievably moronic

Still no.
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The23rdMagus posted...

Still no.

yes. google-news "false equivalence" and you'll find endless articles about it just today. Every convo goes the same way. Every leftist says the same dumb shit like they are a hivemind.

I've been hearing that buzzword for about 10 months now and I've been wondering where it started, but literally leftists just go "hurr false equivalence. Right wingers are worse, side with us or you're scum"

Milkman5 posted...

The23rdMagus posted...

Milkman5 posted...

They just spout some false equivalence meme then say you're a nazi if you don't take a hard left position on everything

No.

Yes?
Literally every leftist says the same shit, it's cringey.

Calling antifa "anti-nazis" and saying if you aren't antifa, you are a nazi is like calling nazis "anti-communists" and saying if you aren't a nazi, you are a communist.

It's so unbelievably moronic

got examples? or are you just doing your best Unfair_Represent impression? I couldn't find any, but I only skimmed two pages of search results.
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

got examples?

w-w-what examples don't you guy see the same things that i see happening
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

got examples? or are you just doing your best Unfair_Represent impression? I couldn't find any, but I only skimmed two pages of search results.

yeah, sure
http://fair.org/home/centrist-pundits-paved-way-for-trumps-alt-left-false-equivalence/


Title: Centrist Pundits Paved Way for Trump’s ‘Alt-Left’ False Equivalence

https://www.google.com/search?q=false+equivalence&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwixg8Ds8N3VAhWCiFQKHSiWCXoQ_AUICigB&biw=1280&bih=621

I don't think anyone who is genuinely a moderate would use a term like "leftist"

http://inthesetimes.com/article/20427/false-equivalency-white-supremacist-nazis-fascists-antifa-Charlottesville/

Drawing Equivalencies Between Fascists and Anti-Fascists Is Not Just Wrong—It’s Dangerous

For antifascists, violence is self-defense, because the far-right movements constitute direct threats to their existence and safety, as well as the existence and safety of their communities.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/17/centrists-attack-left-extremists-labour-moderates

Centrists attack the left, but they are the true ideologues

How many examples do you guys want?

give me a number and I'll provide that many of idiot leftists attacking moderates for not being pro-antifa

Milkman5 posted...

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

got examples? or are you just doing your best Unfair_Represent impression? I couldn't find any, but I only skimmed two pages of search results.

yeah, sure
http://fair.org/home/centrist-pundits-paved-way-for-trumps-alt-left-false-equivalence/


Title: Centrist Pundits Paved Way for Trump’s â€Alt-Left’ False Equivalence

those aren't examples of a hivemind(as was said in #21) or that all of these people feel the same way. those are examples of individuals within a larger group.

no examples that support your sweeping generalizations? that's what I'm looking for. obviously every group has people that are rogue.
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

those aren't examples of a hivemind or that all of these people feel the same way. those are examples of individuals within a larger group.

no examples that support your sweeping generalizations? that's what I'm looking for. obviously every group has people that are rogue.

how many examples do you want?

There are fucking hundreds from just today of leftist journalists attacking centrists using the false equivalence meme.

Give me a fucking number

if you want one from CE,

here you go:
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/75677004

I thought TT said "moderators" for a second

I was about to say...
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I mean... It should be obvious
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Milkman5 posted...

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

those aren't examples of a hivemind or that all of these people feel the same way. those are examples of individuals within a larger group.

no examples that support your sweeping generalizations? that's what I'm looking for. obviously every group has people that are rogue.

how many examples do you want?

There are fucking hundreds from just today of leftist journalists attacking centrists using the false equivalence meme.

Give me a fucking number

you're not going to show me an example of a hivemind. you're going to show me a minority within another group that take things too far. that's basically what I'm trying to get you to acknowledge.

I'm not denying the existence of these individuals, but the sweeping statements aren't helping your case at all. makes you look like you aren't self aware.

other than that, I don't think I disagree with you.
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Milkman5 posted...

Calling antifa "anti-nazis"

I mean, that's what they are. They believe that after the holocaust, racism and white supremacy and all those groups need to be stopped. Quickly and early. They need to be treated as a threat lest they grow and become dangerous like they did in the past.

You don't have to agree with everything they do. You may consider them fanatics. But anti-Nazi is an apt description...
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wait so is this guy trying to argue thatt centrists haven't spent an inordinate amount of time tying to compare nazis to left wingers.

Oh no people are calling out the political commentators that have dominated the media scene for years for saying stupid and dangerous shit, what a calamity!
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wah_wah_wah posted...

I don't think anyone who is genuinely a moderate would use a term like "leftist"

Fair.
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Kineth posted...

wah_wah_wah posted...

I don't think anyone who is genuinely a moderate would use a term like "leftist"

Fair.

this is what im saying

i'm seeing a lot of people calling whom I considered to be fairly conservative "centrists" because of this issue

I fear millenials will ruin political lingo for a while
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The only people who call me "conservative" are super left wing posters on CE

Milkman5 posted...

The only people who call me "conservative" are super left wing posters on CE

The only people who call me a super left wing, liberal, socialist and a leftist person are conservatives. I'm a left leaning libertarian/social democrat.
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when people keep trying to marginalize others while simultaneously trying to get others to not marginalize them, I can't help but wonder what special privilege they think they have that makes them exempt.
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

when people keep trying to marginalize others while simultaneously trying to get others to not marginalize them, I can't help but wonder what special privilege they think they have that makes them exempt.

LITERALLY saying "please tolerate my intolerance"
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In America conservatives mostly have a party of their own in the Republicans, while progressives don't really have a party because Democratic leadership has been compromised by moderates since the 90s.

Back then the excuse was "moderates win the elections, we can't go too far left," so people used to have to suck it up, but now that we see the moderates losing repeatedly the excuse doesn't hold. They lost the presidency to Trump, they lost the House, they lost the Senate, they've lost the majority of governorships. Yet still they refuse to release their grip on the party; their elite are still trying to find corporate-friendly candidates for 2020, they appointed a Clinton supporter to DNC Chair again instead of the compromise candidate between the Clinton and Sanders camps who supported both, he staffed the DNC with 95% Clinton supporters before public backlash made him reduce it to 80%, etc. And there's speculation that it's for the sake of protecting various contracts, lobbyist relations, wealthy donor interests, etc. rather than genuinely representing the people or winning elections.

Progressives just want a chance to try to beat the conservatives. If they lose they lose, but at this point they're being blocked from even playing by the moderates of the party who constantly take the positions of authority and nominations.

Tl;dr: The moderate wing of the supposedly left party is monopolizing control over the party despite constant losses, instead of allowing the party to try something new.
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People on the left are generally sheltered and don't understand how the world works.
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ThePredominate posted...

People on the left are generally sheltered and don't understand how the world works.

The ironing of this is that this is present on both sides yet either side pretends they're the smarter ones

lmfao
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NinjaBreakfast posted...

Notwithstanding the hardly legible OP, it's actually the other way around. Liberals hate leftists more than fascists.

Bull fucking shit. The world is not a battle between socialists and fascists. And when did "liberal" come to mean moderate? It's now a snarl word for both conservatives and socialists. I've seen so much bullshit about how "liberals are to blame for Charlottesville" and "liberals support Nazis" from self-proclaimed leftist morons
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