Current Events > Trump: "very fine people on both sides"

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So who are the fine people on the white supremacist/Nazi/KKK side?
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Himself

Does anyone know?
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He doesn't know specifically. It was an attempt at diplomacy. You're not going to be able to pull anyone back from extremism if you label them as irredeemable.

If you believe they are completely irredeemable and you cannot coexist, you have to kill them. Are you prepared to take that step?

NeoShadowhen posted...

If you believe they are completely irredeemable and you cannot coexist, you have to kill them. Are you prepared to take that step?

That escalated quickly.
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NeoShadowhen posted...

You're not going to be able to pull anyone back from extremism if you label them as irredeemable.

calling someone a piece of shit when they're acting like a piece of shit is hardly labeling them as irredeemable.

the fact you're defending this reflects very poorly on you, you know.
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iPhone_7 posted...

NeoShadowhen posted...

If you believe they are completely irredeemable and you cannot coexist, you have to kill them. Are you prepared to take that step?

That escalated quickly.

Things have been escalating quickly for some time.

NeoShadowhen posted...

You're not going to be able to pull anyone back from extremism if you label them as irredeemable.

Admittedly there is some merit to this thinking. It's a big part of the recidivism problem within the prison system (we let people out, they get labeled a convict, can't start a normal life for themselves on the outside, fall back into the system).

The problem comes on where to draw the line. Some people are just plain bad and those who aren't so bad get mixed in with them. Ostracizing everyone can push the less incorrigible members to become more loyal to their entrenched brethren but at the same time, they are all advocating a very uncivil and discordant philosophy that shouldn't be tolerated.
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He flat out said that the right wing movement there wasn't all Nazis and it was noble conservatives who just didn't want history erased. Those were the fine people

Please attack Trump you like but attack him for things he said and did. Don't lie.
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Yea because everyone on unite the right side was a Nazi and white supremacists. There's no possible way some people were there to just protest the removal of the statue and were appalled by the Nazi flags there, nope no possible way. Let's just smear them all with the same brushstroke even though liberals are so against generalizing people
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Kazi1212 posted...

There's no possible way some people were there to just protest the removal of the statue and were appalled by the Nazi flags there, nope no possible way.

Well, they obviously weren't appalled enough to just, you know, not protest alongside the Nazis
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UnfairRepresent posted...

He flat out said that the right wing movement there wasn't all Nazis and it was noble conservatives who just didn't want history erased. Those were the fine people

Please attack Trump you like but attack him for things he said and did. Don't lie.

I do recall him following up with this, yeah
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Kazi1212 posted...

There's no possible way some people were there to just protest the removal of the statue and were appalled by the Nazi flags there, nope no possible way.

so those people arrived at a rally to protest the removal of a statue, only to find out the vast majority of people protesting that same thing are neo-Nazis, white supremacists, etc. you think the appropriate thing for them to do in that situation was to just .... join in? you don't think those people should have identified the company around them and said "gee, i shouldn't be surrounding myself with these abhorrent individuals, i might become associated with them"
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Of course there were fine people on both sides, you have to be a braindead snowflake to think otherwise. The world isn't as black and white as your precious anime would lead you to believe.
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Most of these statues were put up in the 50's & 60's in reaction to the Civil Rights Movement. So not only are they Confederate monuments which is bad on its own, they are also symbolic Fuck You to black people.

There's not much history to it and what little it has is abhorrent. There's nothing noble to celebrate or respect there.
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only to find out the vast majority of people protesting that same thing are neo-Nazis, white supremacists, etc. you think the appropriate thing for them to do in that situation was to just .... join in?

Here's the thing, how sure are we these nut jobs were in fact the "vast majority"? It seems to me when the march first started it was very peaceful and there weren't any of these abhorrent Nazi symbols around. As the hours went on and into Saturday, you saw more of these cretins come out of the woodwork and essentially replace the well meaning protestors. If you've been to protests before then you know there will always be assholes within your ranks who are actually destroying your message, but you obviously can't let that stop you unless these assholes take over as the majority. Furthermore, just logistically speaking, the bad apples of any protest generally comes out after the real protesters had already gone, which seems to be what happened here. All I'm saying is let's give a benefit of the doubt unless we know with certainty that protestors from the beginning to end were mostly al supporters of white supremacy, it's very possible that isn't the case.
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Kazi1212 posted...

Here's the thing, how sure are we these nut jobs were in fact the "vast majority"? It seems to me when the march first started it was very peaceful and there weren't any of these abhorrent Nazi symbols around.

It was literally The Unite The Right rally for Nazis & KKK
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iPhone_7 posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

Here's the thing, how sure are we these nut jobs were in fact the "vast majority"? It seems to me when the march first started it was very peaceful and there weren't any of these abhorrent Nazi symbols around.

It was literally The Unite The Right rally for Nazis & KKK

That not my understanding of it, from what I understand the rally was for the removal of the statue. The posters of the rally also doesn't seem to state that's it's a protest for white supremacist or Nazis nor do the posters contain any Nazi symbols
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Kazi1212 posted...

There's no possible way some people were there to just protest the removal of the statue and were appalled by the Nazi flags there, nope no possible way

Very true, I'm sure some of the protesters weren't there to explicitly be racist (though the argument could be made that wanting the statue up in and of itself is racist), buuuuut the permit for the protest was organized and submitted by a white supremacist. Sooooo if you're going to get involved in something maaaaaaybe it's a good idea to do some research about it first.
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TheDarkCircle posted...

Himself

Kazi1212 posted...

That not my understanding of it, from what I understand the rally was for the removal of the statue. The posters of the rally also doesn't seem to state that's it's a protest for white supremacist or Nazis nor do the posters contain any Nazi symbols

I don't know about any posters but let's cut the technicality bull crap. The event was organized by white supremacists for white supremacists, the rallying point of which was to protest the removal of the Confederate statue.

White Nationalists, Alt-Right, KKK, Neo Nazis, etc. They're cut from the same cloth.
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Kazi1212 posted...

iPhone_7 posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

Here's the thing, how sure are we these nut jobs were in fact the "vast majority"? It seems to me when the march first started it was very peaceful and there weren't any of these abhorrent Nazi symbols around.

It was literally The Unite The Right rally for Nazis & KKK

That not my understanding of it, from what I understand the rally was for the removal of the statue. The posters of the rally also doesn't seem to state that's it's a protest for white supremacist or Nazis nor do the posters contain any Nazi symbols

Your understanding of it isn't the reality of the situation though. The protest was organized by the alt-right/Neo-Nazis, so that symbolism was always present from the beginning. If people wanted to protest the removal of the statue, they should have created their own protest without the involvement of the alt-right.
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iPhone_7 posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

That not my understanding of it, from what I understand the rally was for the removal of the statue. The posters of the rally also doesn't seem to state that's it's a protest for white supremacist or Nazis nor do the posters contain any Nazi symbols

I don't know about any posters but let's cut the technicality bull crap. The event was organized by white supremacists for white supremacists, the rallying point of which was to protest the removal of the Confederate statue.

White Nationalists, Alt-Right, KKK, Neo Nazis, etc. They're cut from the same cloth.

This is what the poster looked like:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCfZtOrXkAANJi6.jpg

There was no doubt at all. If the imagery somehow doesn't do it for you, then just try googling any of those names
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

iPhone_7 posted...

I don't know about any posters but let's cut the technicality bull crap. The event was organized by white supremacists for white supremacists, the rallying point of which was to protest the removal of the Confederate statue.

White Nationalists, Alt-Right, KKK, Neo Nazis, etc. They're cut from the same cloth.

This is what the poster looked like:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCfZtOrXkAANJi6.jpg

There was no doubt at all. If the imagery somehow doesn't do it for you, then just try googling any of those names

Well there you have it. Organized by white supremacists and advertised as such. Hint hint hint
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