Current Events > Coworker: "I do not agree with same sex marriage"

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I appreciate modern man's ability to talk behind others backs.
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IHeartRadiation posted...

I appreciate modern man's ability to talk behind others backs.

Yeah, being a dick is totally a modern thing. /s

rulerBob8 posted...

Fair, next.

Shut the fuck up
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Dash_Harber posted...

Yeah, being a dick is totally a modern thing. /s

I am also impressed by modern's vast wealth of literature but inability to read.
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"I do not agree with same sex marriage"

And then he was fired and shamed into non-existence for the racist, sexist, womanizing bigot that he is.
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IHeartRadiation posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

Yeah, being a dick is totally a modern thing. /s

I am also impressed by modern's vast wealth of literature but inability to read.

That actually could be argued to be more of a modern issue.

Still, people have been dicks for a long ass time.

clearaflagrantj posted...

"I do not agree with same sex marriage"
He is divorced with four kids across three moms.

Show him some stats on same sex divorce and say 'but why not, they're clearly better at it than you...?'
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Why is there such a huge witch hunt for those who disagree with same-sex marriage?
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JohnLennon6 posted...

Why is there such a huge witch hunt for those who disagree with same-sex marriage?

I don't see a witch hunt. All I see are people pointing out someone with a stupid belief.
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JohnLennon6 posted...

Why is there such a huge witch hunt for those who disagree with same-sex marriage?

There is no witch hunt. The point is that someone saying, "I don't agree with homosexual marriage" makes about as much sense as saying, "I don't agree with mayonnaise". No one needs your approval, no one is asking for you to choose something, and no one is asking you to participate in anything.

hockeybub89 posted...

ACHEEKSMALLOY posted...

And what right do you have to judge him?

Free speech

Free will
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Dash_Harber posted...

JohnLennon6 posted...

Why is there such a huge witch hunt for those who disagree with same-sex marriage?

There is no witch hunt. The point is that someone saying, "I don't agree with homosexual marriage" makes about as much sense as saying, "I don't agree with mayonnaise". No one needs your approval, no one is asking for you to choose something, and no one is asking you to participate in anything.

No one cares if someone exclaims they are gay either.
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ToonLinkWithGun posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

JohnLennon6 posted...

Why is there such a huge witch hunt for those who disagree with same-sex marriage?

There is no witch hunt. The point is that someone saying, "I don't agree with homosexual marriage" makes about as much sense as saying, "I don't agree with mayonnaise". No one needs your approval, no one is asking for you to choose something, and no one is asking you to participate in anything.

No one cares if someone exclaims they are gay either.

except for those who do. didn't think long enough about how to respond to that, did you? it's not like you had to. didn't need to respond at all.
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

ToonLinkWithGun posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

JohnLennon6 posted...

Why is there such a huge witch hunt for those who disagree with same-sex marriage?

There is no witch hunt. The point is that someone saying, "I don't agree with homosexual marriage" makes about as much sense as saying, "I don't agree with mayonnaise". No one needs your approval, no one is asking for you to choose something, and no one is asking you to participate in anything.

No one cares if someone exclaims they are gay either.

except for those who do. didn't think long enough about how to respond to that, did you? it's not like you had to. didn't need to respond at all.

This, and I think that coming out in a society that assumes you are straight is way different than stating that you hold archaic beliefs that your ideology is somehow on everyone's need to know list.

Never understood the sanctity of marriage argument. The increasing divorce rates in modern times are more damning than anything. But bet they don't want to talk about that and how gay couple have far lower divorce rates

I also liked Tosh's stance on gays and god.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd3XUF4DvBc
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WaterLink posted...

Never understood the sanctity of marriage argument. The increasing divorce rates in modern times are more damning than anything. But bet they don't want to talk about that and how gay couple have far lower divorce rates

Yeah, I don't think there is any argument against legalized gay marriage.

Whatever you guys need to tell yourselves to justify useless opinions over useful ones. The fact is that America is getting to the point where it recognizes that not everyone is straight with only a handful from one party expressing opinions.

Stop being fucking morons and accept that people will always have opposing opinions that they are free to express.
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Whatever you guys need to tell yourselves to justify useless opinions over useful ones. The fact is that America is getting to the point where it recognizes that not everyone is straight with only a handful from one party expressing opposing opinions.

Stop being fucking morons and accept that people will always have opposing opinions that they are free to express.
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ToonLinkWithGun posted...

Whatever you guys need to tell yourselves to justify useless opinions over useful ones. The fact is that America is getting to the point where it recognizes that not everyone is straight with only a handful from one party expressing opinions.

Stop being fucking morons and accept that people will always have opposing opinions that they are free to express.

If there was a prize for comically missing the point, you'd be world renowned.

No one said he can't say it. Freedom means he is free to be an idiot and say nonsense. It also means I'm free to respond and point out the stupidity of his statements. Notice how I am not interfering with his freedom, but you are saying that me expressing my freedom is somehow wrong.

You said a society that assumes you are straight. That is what you said. So the entire American society assumes everyone is straight? That is what you implied.
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Never talk about this stuff at work.
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ToonLinkWithGun posted...

You said a society that assumes you are straight. That is what you said. So the entire American society assumes everyone is straight? That is what you implied.

I was pointing out that coming out was part of de-stigmatizing the idea of homosexuality, whereas someone expressing how they don't approve of someone else's sexuality is pointless and asinine.

Still doesn't change the fact that freedom is a two-way street. He can say it, and I can say that it is a stupid thing to say. Why is it you only want people to be free to speak when they are saying something you want to hear?

Dash_Harber posted...

ToonLinkWithGun posted...

You said a society that assumes you are straight. That is what you said. So the entire American society assumes everyone is straight? That is what you implied.

I was pointing out that coming out was part of de-stigmatizing the idea of homosexuality, whereas someone expressing how they don't approve of someone else's sexuality is pointless and asinine.

Still doesn't change the fact that freedom is a two-way street. He can say it, and I can say that it is a stupid thing to say. Why is it you only want people to be free to speak when they are saying something you want to hear?

You pointed out nothing. You said that our society assumes that everyone is straight. This is so not the case and has been for quite a while. With all of these pro LGBT groups and people going around you STILL said that American culture assumes you are straight.

Please tell me you know how wrong that is.
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ToonLinkWithGun posted...

You pointed out nothing. You said that our society assumes that everyone is straight. This is so not the case and has been for quite a while. With all of these pro LGBT groups and people going around you STILL said that American culture assumes you are straight.

So you legitimately believe that all stigma and negative attitudes towards homosexuality are gone?

And, again, you started when I pointed out there was no 'witch hunt'. You can avoid that all you want, but you had a problem when I pointed out that I'm free to call him on his stupid declarations. I'm free to criticize him, just like he is free to say stupid things.

Dash_Harber posted...

ToonLinkWithGun posted...

You pointed out nothing. You said that our society assumes that everyone is straight. This is so not the case and has been for quite a while. With all of these pro LGBT groups and people going around you STILL said that American culture assumes you are straight.

So you legitimately believe that all stigma and negative attitudes towards homosexuality are gone?

And, again, you started when I pointed out there was no 'witch hunt'. You can avoid that all you want, but you had a problem when I pointed out that I'm free to call him on his stupid declarations. I'm free to criticize him, just like he is free to say stupid things.

That is true. However you are wrong. The "witch hunt" no longer exists because America is realizing that discrimination against homosexuality is wrong. They have become a protected class and here lately anyone who opposes or discriminates is punished. Conservatives fully recognize that there are plenty of people who are gay.

America does not believe in a straight culture.

My initial statement was that gay people expressing that they are gay is no different than one of these conservatives expressing that they are against gay marriage. It's meaningless. It has no purpose or sense.

You're gay? Cool. You're against gay marriage? Whatever fuck you
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ToonLinkWithGun posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

ToonLinkWithGun posted...

You pointed out nothing. You said that our society assumes that everyone is straight. This is so not the case and has been for quite a while. With all of these pro LGBT groups and people going around you STILL said that American culture assumes you are straight.

So you legitimately believe that all stigma and negative attitudes towards homosexuality are gone?

And, again, you started when I pointed out there was no 'witch hunt'. You can avoid that all you want, but you had a problem when I pointed out that I'm free to call him on his stupid declarations. I'm free to criticize him, just like he is free to say stupid things.

That is true. However you are wrong. The "witch hunt" no longer exists because America is realizing that discrimination against homosexuality is wrong. They have become a protected class and here lately anyone who opposes or discriminates is punished. Conservatives fully recognize that there are plenty of people who are gay.

America does not believe in a straight culture.

My initial statement was that gay people expressing that they are gay is no different than one of these conservatives expressing that they are against gay marriage. It's meaningless. It has no purpose or sense.

You're gay? Cool. You're against gay marriage? Whatever fuck you

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LGBT_people_in_the_United_States#2010.E2.80.93present

There is still violence against homosexuals. You can't pretend that everyone just says 'whatever now'. It's empowering for people to be able to feel free to come out. I'm not sure why you act like we can all just pretend that everyone acts fine with it.

It also is incredibly different. A gay person coming out is taking control of their sexuality in a world that doesn't always accept them. They are commenting on something personal to them. A man saying "I don't agree with homosexuality" is literally disparaging someone else for something that does not effect them in the least. There is a clear difference, and I'm not sure why it's so hard for you to understand that.

It's not hard. You have a problem with people expressing an opinion that does not really matter. You've changed the goal from "I disagree with gay marriage" to "I disagree with gay people". Why is it so difficult for you to realize that their are people who still agree with a traditional idea of marriage?

And still, the argument is that America assumes everyone is straight because of "straight culture" even though pretty much the entire left and middle don't disagree with either.
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Just as unaccepting of that as people who don't agree with interracial marriage or that women should go to college or any other stupid stance. If they think that, they should just keep their mouth shut because they're idiots. And most likely, they're idiots that vote and try to impose those beliefs on others even though it has no bearing on their lives.
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the goofy shit people say while on alts, lol
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ToonLinkWithGun posted...

It's not hard. You have a problem with people expressing an opinion that does not really matter. You've changed the goal from "I disagree with gay marriage" to "I disagree with gay people". Why is it so difficult for you to realize that their are people who still agree with a traditional idea of marriage?

I'm not sure why you are having such a hard time understanding the concept of freedom. He says something stupid because he has freedom. I'm allowed to say it's stupid, because I have freedom. And the 'traditional marriage' argument is bullshit, too, and I'm free to point that out.

ToonLinkWithGun posted...

And still, the argument is that America assumes everyone is straight because of "straight culture" even though pretty much the entire left and middle don't disagree with either.

Except, judging by the current and the fact that 30+ percent of people still don't agree with same sex marriage, you are wrong. Straight is considered the default by most people. You must live in a bubble of naivety and mass communication blockout if you earnestly believe that no one assumes anything and that there is no bias against homosexuality anywhere in America (or in the world, for that matter).

Even beyond that, I pointed out that it was an empowering experience. That is what is fucking important. You are coming out and taking pride in your sexuality. When you saying you don't agree, you are expressing your opinion and putting down people for choices that don't effect you one bit.

You are the one that said there is no difference, but there is a huge fucking difference I have pointed out to you multiple times. Coming out = take control of a personal thing and condemning homosexual marriage = trying to bring others down over something that is entirely impersonal and doesn't effect you in the least.

Agree to disagree.
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ACHEEKSMALLOY posted...

And what right do you have to judge him?

If someone judges others they open themselves up to be judges by others.
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ToonLinkWithGun posted...

Agree to disagree.

With what, exactly?

The idea that traditional marriage is a good excuse?

Or that there is still a huge prejudice against homosexuality even in our culture (The nightclub shooting was, what, a year ago?)?

Or against the fact that it is absolutely not a 1:1 comparison because one person is saying something personal and the other is disparaging people that don't even effect him?

I'm guessing all of the above.

"It doesn't affect them"
And how does him not agreeing with it affect you?
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rulerBob8 posted...

"It doesn't affect them"
And how does him not agreeing with it affect you?

Potentially, if he's voting in a way that helps suppress rights to gay people.
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Being "against" gay marriage is the same as being against pro-choice. It is short-sighted moral posturing

Kineth posted...

My response would vary between "well that's a cool story, bro" to "how the fuck does someone else's marriage affect you?"

How the fuck does his opinion on gay marriage affect you? You can apply that same logic to most topics on this site.

There's nothing wrong with the guy giving his opinion when he's doing it in a respectful manner and isn't trying to provoke anyone or meaning any ill will. Just as there's nothing with you disagreeing with his opinion. That's the joy of free speech and being tolerant of other beliefs.
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Sad_Face posted...

Kineth posted...

My response would vary between "well that's a cool story, bro" to "how the fuck does someone else's marriage affect you?"

How the fuck does his opinion on gay marriage affect you? You can apply that same logic to most topics on this site.

There's nothing wrong with the guy giving his opinion when he's doing it in a respectful manner and isn't trying to provoke anyone or meaning any ill will. Just as there's nothing with you disagreeing with his opinion. That's the joy of free speech and being tolerant of other beliefs.

There's plenty wrong with the opinion and it affects me because those people are the ones that voted against gay marriage even though it has exactly ZERO impact on their lives.


Also, you were replying to a comment that did nothing to impose against his right to free speech, just called him out for how asinine it is.
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Sad_Face posted...

There's nothing wrong with the guy giving his opinion when he's doing it in a respectful manner and isn't trying to provoke anyone or meaning any ill will.

"I don't think you should be allowed to get married to your significant other even though you're both consenting adults, no one is being harmed by the arrangement, and your relationship has no effect on mine" is not something that can be said in a "respectful manner" or without "meaning any ill will." Seriously what is with some of your brains. We've had a week of people saying "The Neo Nazis were marching peacefully and were acting civil" and now this. It's like some of you just don't understand how to socialize.
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You can't fix stupid.
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Asherlee10 posted...

I think that's true, but it's also okay to be disturbed by someone's opinion, especially one that can viewed as hateful.

Absolutely. It goes both ways.

However, flinging insults generally doesn't change people's opinions. You have to challenge their opinion, engage them in discussion.
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I mean the how does it affect you thing was asking, he just through a fuck in there.


But since it's just going to come down to bible or icky, not really going to change their mind anyway.
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Asherlee10 posted...

Sad_Face posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

I think that's true, but it's also okay to be disturbed by someone's opinion, especially one that can viewed as hateful.

Absolutely. It goes both ways.

However, flinging insults generally doesn't change people's opinions. You have to challenge their opinion, engage them in discussion.

I'm not sure in this case it goes both ways. The person holding the opinion that marriage equality is wrong is the one in the wrong.

I do agree that mature discussion could help.

I know people who look at 2 men walking together as an item and think "that's disturbing" and even when of their closest friends is gay. And there are people who are conservative in thinking marriage must be between a man and a woman. This is why I say it goes both ways, just like how you may be disturbed by someone saying what OP's worker said. You're both entitled to your feelings.

And just because you don't agree with something doesn't mean you can't accept the outcome.
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-opinions effect voters.

-voters vote based on their opinions.

-the opinions of voters unified under specific ideals effect many lives.

-actively hindering the lives of others just because you "don't agree" with them makes you unqualified to call yourself a good person.
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

-actively hindering the lives of others just because you "don't agree" with them makes you unqualified to call yourself a good person.

TC's coworker hasn't done such a thing though.
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Sad_Face posted...

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

-actively hindering the lives of others just because you "don't agree" with them makes you unqualified to call yourself a good person.

TC's coworker hasn't done such a thing though.

Why would you purposely refuse to quote the bullet point before this:

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

-the opinions of voters unified under specific ideals effect many lives.

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rulerBob8 posted...

"It doesn't affect them"
And how does him not agreeing with it affect you?

It's annoying? He doesn't know if I'm personally homosexual or not? Besides, I'm not saying he can't say it. He has the freedom to. I'm saying I have the freedom to call bullshit when I see it.

Sad_Face posted...

There's nothing wrong with the guy giving his opinion when he's doing it in a respectful manner and isn't trying to provoke anyone or meaning any ill will. Just as there's nothing with you disagreeing with his opinion. That's the joy of free speech and being tolerant of other beliefs.

His opinion is literally, "We should take away some group's human rights".