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Questionmarktarius
08/14/17 12:50:30 PM
#52:


Romulox28 posted...
they just love the dopamine rush you get from getting a cool costume or skin or whatever from a loot box, so when these kids receive Xbox gift cards for their birthday or their parents put some money in their steam wallet, it all goes to virtual gambling since this kind of thing is proven to be addictive and effective

Didn't this used be (possibly still is) legally considered gambling in some jurisdictions?

Romulox28 posted...
completely changes the design/focus of a game. this is VERY obvious if you have ever played a smartphone game in the last few years but that model is starting to seep into your average PC and console game now too. basically a death sentence for video games IMO

The reason this happens, is because mobile games have an expected initial price point of $0, and the AAA model has bloated production costs to the point where a new game has to sell several million copies at $60 just break even.

Unless you're willing to pay $100 for a console game, or anything at all for a mobile game, or are willing to play games that are less "pretty" with a hell of a lot less Hollywood voice-acting, that's just how it's going to be.
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08/14/17 12:50:46 PM
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pinky0926
08/14/17 12:52:56 PM
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I don't know who this Jim Sterling guy is but I watched this video and also his video explaining how he got dropped with a $15mil lawsuit for criticising a videogame and in both he was eloquent, funny and badass - but I get the impression a lot of people really dislike him. What am I out of the loop on here?
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Gheb
08/14/17 12:54:21 PM
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I generally don't get too worried about DLC cosmetics unless if you know what you are buying. I generally don't mind DLC items with ingame effects so long as there is a reasonable way to obtain the item without paying or if its a single-player game so the item isn't impacting other people's experience.

Gacha is poison though. It's a slot machine with 100% hold.
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Megaman50100
08/14/17 12:59:28 PM
#57:


JustMyOpinion posted...
Brave Exvius is ridiculous with that s***. 1% drop and then the unit gets replaced soon after. Remember when Chizuru was the best? Do people even use Chizuru now?


I liked Brave Exvius, it actually had some amount of depth to it's gameplay. When I hit the paywall I laid it to rest like I do with nearly all mobile games. Will not support that pay model at all.
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OmegaPillow
08/14/17 1:02:42 PM
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That's what I was just saying. The shit they pull in mobile games are slowly making its way to console gaming
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apolloooo
08/14/17 1:03:57 PM
#60:


Melonfarms posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFKnv1YzI3k


Here is another troubling video from a better YouTuber who points out that companies are avoiding taxes and making something like half their profits off of micro transactions. He focuses on Blizzard pretty heavily.

Super bunnyhop is underrated here. His videos range from real journalism stuff like this, snd great essays about videogames to silly weaabo videos and socks.

I like it.
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LordRazziel
08/14/17 1:04:06 PM
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ZombiePelican posted...
LordRazziel posted...
ZombiePelican posted...
LordRazziel posted...
I didn't think you actually believed that. That's why I found it pretentious.

I'm sorry for having a wide vocabulary I use, I'll dumb it down for you next time

There it is, again. I understood all the words.

Then what's the problem?

It seemed like you chose those words because they sound whitty, not their meaning. You knew they're not part of any cabal.
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Questionmarktarius
08/14/17 1:05:51 PM
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Megaman50100 posted...
I liked Brave Exvius, it actually had some amount of depth to it's gameplay. When I hit the paywall I laid it to rest like I do with nearly all mobile games. Will not support that pay model at all.

Much like casinos, microtransaction-heavy games are propped up by a handful of "whales" who drop buckets of money.

https://www.polygon.com/2012/11/1/3587102/high-rolling-whales-sometimes-spend-thousands-in-free-to-play-ios-and
https://www.recode.net/2014/2/26/11623998/a-long-tail-of-whales-half-of-mobile-games-money-comes-from-0-15
(forbes warning) https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2014/03/01/why-its-scary-when-0-15-mobile-gamers-bring-in-50-of-the-revenue/
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Nomadic View
08/14/17 1:06:40 PM
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It doesn't bother me that much as long as the items are accessible without the paywall and it doesn't provide an advantage to gameplay.
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apolloooo
08/14/17 1:11:04 PM
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Nomadic View posted...
It doesn't bother me that much as long as the items are accessible without the paywall and it doesn't provide an advantage to gameplay.

Lol yeah. Almost none of these games are designed to be fair. Jim sterling maybe a clown, but he is a good one and i support 100% his stance on microtransaction, especially on lootboxes.

Fuck those thing
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Megaman50100
08/14/17 1:13:57 PM
#65:


JustMyOpinion posted...
Megaman50100 posted...
JustMyOpinion posted...
Brave Exvius is ridiculous with that s***. 1% drop and then the unit gets replaced soon after. Remember when Chizuru was the best? Do people even use Chizuru now?


I liked Brave Exvius, it actually had some amount of depth to it's gameplay. When I hit the paywall I laid it to rest like I do with nearly all mobile games. Will not support that pay model at all.



I played final fantasy xi back before it was easy to get max level and even I think brave exvius is too grindy. So many events going on all the time that require doing the same thing over and over. And I dunno if they fixed trust but farming trust is ridic.

Yea, the events were trash. Only game with worse events that I have played was Yugioh Duel Links.

I just meant that BE actually had depth to its gameplay with multiple stats mattering, individual HP, tons of passive/active skills per character, equipment, summons, etc. Most of the time, games like it are really basic, shared HP bar, HP and ATK are the only stats, only have basic attack and one active, etc.
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pinky0926
08/14/17 2:05:44 PM
#66:


pinky0926 posted...
I don't know who this Jim Sterling guy is but I watched this video and also his video explaining how he got dropped with a $15mil lawsuit for criticising a videogame and in both he was eloquent, funny and badass - but I get the impression a lot of people really dislike him. What am I out of the loop on here?


I demand someone answer this lingering question I have
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Blue_Inigo
08/14/17 2:08:02 PM
#67:


pinky0926 posted...
pinky0926 posted...
I don't know who this Jim Sterling guy is but I watched this video and also his video explaining how he got dropped with a $15mil lawsuit for criticising a videogame and in both he was eloquent, funny and badass - but I get the impression a lot of people really dislike him. What am I out of the loop on here?


I demand someone answer this lingering question I have

CEmen hate anything but a lot of people here like him. The man knows his shit
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The Deadpool
08/14/17 2:08:30 PM
#68:


Melonfarms posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFKnv1YzI3k


Here is another troubling video from a better YouTuber who points out that companies are avoiding taxes and making something like half their profits off of micro transactions. He focuses on Blizzard pretty heavily.


The craziest thing about it is they lobbied for it. They knew the law in Holland and lobbied for a similar in the US just so they don't have to pay taxes.

Effective tax rate of 13%! Fucking absurd...
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Bligh_with_no_T
08/14/17 2:09:16 PM
#69:


His character is that he's deliberately arrogant, annoying and pretentious, with a lot of recurring memeish jokes. A lot of people don't like that.

Also he's a know SJW so I imagine that rubs a lot of people the wrong way.
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Doe
08/14/17 2:12:56 PM
#70:


clearaflagrantj posted...
The craziest thing about microtransactions is that people fucking buy them.

People will literally spend hundreds of dollars on loot cases that drop random loot that is worth absolutely nothing.

I don't care who you are, if you waste real money on cosmetics you are dumb.

Hold up a team captain is $$$
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Melonfarms
08/14/17 2:14:59 PM
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Good to know at least a couple people appreciate Supper BunnyHop. Good content.
It's the "known SJW" thing that most people don't like about Jim. He has a bias against Nintendo too.
Although, I agree with him about BOTW I think he was more harsh than necessary.
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Jabodie
08/14/17 2:15:40 PM
#72:


LordRazziel posted...
It seemed like you chose those words because they sound whitty, not their meaning. You knew they're not part of any cabal.

That's obviously what he did.

You called a spade a spade. No use using energy to argue about it.
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Jabodie
08/14/17 2:21:03 PM
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Melonfarms posted...
He is bias against Nintendo too.

?

That's probably the big game company he is least biased against, and his criticism are usually less scathing when compared to any other big publisher.
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thronedfire2
08/14/17 2:24:02 PM
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there's nothing wrong with cosmetic stuff for microtransactions

already on the disc dlc is something that should never happen

if you play a game like Overwatch and can't control yourself enough to not buy loot boxes to gamble on getting skins that literally have no effect on the game whatsoever and are 100% optional and you can only ever use one at once and that you can get by just playing the game anyway, that's your fault not Blizzard's
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ZombiePelican
08/14/17 2:24:07 PM
#75:


pinky0926 posted...
I don't know who this Jim Sterling guy is but I watched this video and also his video explaining how he got dropped with a $15mil lawsuit for criticising a videogame and in both he was eloquent, funny and badass - but I get the impression a lot of people really dislike him. What am I out of the loop on here?

He's a huge SJW is his only drawback and will constantly reach when trying to make points for the sake of virtue signaling
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Melonfarms
08/14/17 2:26:09 PM
#76:


Jabodie posted...
Melonfarms posted...
He is bias against Nintendo too.

?

That's probably the big game company he is least biased against, and his criticism are usually less scathing when compared to any other big publisher.


He hates Nintendo and Nintendo fan boys. They only company I have seen him be harsher with is Konami. With good reason.
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ZombiePelican
08/14/17 2:30:20 PM
#77:


Melonfarms posted...
Jabodie posted...
Melonfarms posted...
He is bias against Nintendo too.

?

That's probably the big game company he is least biased against, and his criticism are usually less scathing when compared to any other big publisher.


He hates Nintendo and Nintendo fan boys. They only company I have seen him be harsher with is Konami. With good reason.

You're joking right? He absolutely loves Nintendo,he literally shilled the Wii U up until it's death. He just hates how out of touch and greedy Nintendo is when it comes to their IPs and the internet. Also he hates fanboys on general not just Nintendo's
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tripZ504
08/14/17 2:31:27 PM
#78:


pinky0926 posted...
pinky0926 posted...
I don't know who this Jim Sterling guy is but I watched this video and also his video explaining how he got dropped with a $15mil lawsuit for criticising a videogame and in both he was eloquent, funny and badass - but I get the impression a lot of people really dislike him. What am I out of the loop on here?


I demand someone answer this lingering question I have


That lawsuit was a joke. Jim couldve counter sued and won. The game was garbage and they got banned from ever selling on steam for the way they handled it.

He trolls this place a lot. But thats his gimmick. A lot of people play along, some take it too seriously.

Its gamefaqs.... All that needs to be said
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snesmaster40
08/14/17 2:31:48 PM
#79:


pinky0926 posted...
pinky0926 posted...
I don't know who this Jim Sterling guy is but I watched this video and also his video explaining how he got dropped with a $15mil lawsuit for criticising a videogame and in both he was eloquent, funny and badass - but I get the impression a lot of people really dislike him. What am I out of the loop on here?


I demand someone answer this lingering question I have


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXhqmRYoR3k

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MakoReizei
08/14/17 2:32:52 PM
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stop buying AAA games
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kirbymuncher
08/14/17 2:33:46 PM
#81:


if you play a game like Overwatch and can't control yourself enough to not buy loot boxes to gamble on getting skins that literally have no effect on the game whatsoever and are 100% optional and you can only ever use one at once and that you can get by just playing the game anyway, that's your fault not Blizzard's


Sure some of the responsibility is the player's but there's a reason casinos and gambling have all the restrictions they do. Don't try and act like the companies are totally innocent here
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Melonfarms
08/14/17 2:34:12 PM
#82:


ZombiePelican posted...
Melonfarms posted...
Jabodie posted...
Melonfarms posted...
He is bias against Nintendo too.

?

That's probably the big game company he is least biased against, and his criticism are usually less scathing when compared to any other big publisher.


He hates Nintendo and Nintendo fan boys. They only company I have seen him be harsher with is Konami. With good reason.

You're joking right? He absolutely loves Nintendo,he literally shilled the Wii U up until it's death. He just hates how out of touch and greedy Nintendo is when it comes to their IPs and the internet. Also he hates fanboys on general not just Nintendo's


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fH_wl8ceAg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRicuKHmjZA


Do these videos sound like they are from someone who "loves" Nintendo? Maybe he just liked the Wii U for some reason. Most people didn't care for it.
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Romulox28
08/14/17 2:39:24 PM
#83:


thronedfire2 posted...
if you play a game like Overwatch and can't control yourself enough to not buy loot boxes to gamble on getting skins that literally have no effect on the game whatsoever and are 100% optional and you can only ever use one at once and that you can get by just playing the game anyway, that's your fault not Blizzard's

you can opt to not open loot boxes, but even if you refuse, there's going to be 20 kids in your place that got a gift card for their birthday and love the dopamine rush of virtual gambling when they click the open button on their loot box.

and then of course since this concept is so successful, it greatly affects game design. skins, characters, emblems, etc are no longer fun little extras to unlock that give a player a sense of progress and accomplishment but are another revenue stream, so devs have no incentive to make these fun or interesting to unlock.

your options will be to either dump hundreds of hours into a game for the CHANCE to win an item, or bust out the wallet and pay for the item straight up. AAA games are becoming increasingly more and more tailored towards being a service where your chief input is either time or money. gameplay is now secondary. this is very obvious in smartphone games but people put on the blinders when they see these practices in AAA
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ZombiePelican
08/14/17 2:43:16 PM
#84:


Melonfarms posted...
ZombiePelican posted...
Melonfarms posted...
Jabodie posted...
Melonfarms posted...
He is bias against Nintendo too.


That's probably the big game company he is least biased against, and his criticism are usually less scathing when compared to any other big publisher.


He hates Nintendo and Nintendo fan boys. They only company I have seen him be harsher with is Konami. With good reason.

You're joking right? He absolutely loves Nintendo,he literally shilled the Wii U up until it's death. He just hates how out of touch and greedy Nintendo is when it comes to their IPs and the internet. Also he hates fanboys on general not just Nintendo's


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fH_wl8ceAg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRicuKHmjZA


Do these videos sound like they are from someone who "loves" Nintendo? Maybe he just liked the Wii U for some reason. Most people didn't care for it.

Cherry picking is bad and you should feel bad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdqWwz9241U


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acgxPlB7Jrc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5vIAJqu8gM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou_VnbP7KZg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OzoB4lHBK8


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Melonfarms
08/14/17 2:51:25 PM
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ZombiePelican posted...


Those are just as cherry picked. Only one of those is current. The Mario Kart one that I have not seen.
His current attitude seems to dislike Nintendo more than he likes them.
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Yaridovich
08/14/17 2:52:58 PM
#86:


I'm sure this guy has interesting things to say but the whole Iron Cross podium thing is so fucking stupid. They're just video games, man. You or them aren't that important.
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ZombiePelican
08/14/17 3:02:22 PM
#87:


Melonfarms posted...
ZombiePelican posted...


Those are just as cherry picked. Only one of those is current. The Mario Kart one that I have not seen.
His current attitude seems to dislike Nintendo more than he likes them.

Considering I was able pull up more Jimquisition where he's in favor of Nintendo rather than against, no it isn't cherry picking. Also I've been watching the Jimquisition since 2012 and I can tell you he doesn't hate Nintendo but rather how out of touch and greedy they are with their IPs and the internet
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Inferno Dive Dragoon
08/14/17 3:14:37 PM
#88:


I've been pretty keen to not spend money on microtransactions, so I haven't been personally affected by their existence. If/when a game's practices becomes too RNG or too P2W, I just drop it and go play something else. Hell, I've made it a point to not buy *any* game on release (especially PC) because I *know* there will be DLC later, and by extension a definite all-in-one edition, and that it will in turn end up in a Steam sale somewhere down the line.

If there's one thing I've learned from gaming, it's that patience is indeed a virtue, and that I'm frugal as fuck. (I blame the RPGs mostly.)

That said, there's nothing I can do to dictate (or even discourage) how other people spend their money. I mean, great, I'm not part of the problem, but there's also nothing I can do to solve it either. and I've since come to accept that microtransactions will be the harbinger of the next video game crash within my lifetime. (Which is amusing considering the first happened in 1983, the same year I was born.)
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LordRazziel
08/14/17 4:05:07 PM
#89:


Jabodie posted...
LordRazziel posted...
It seemed like you chose those words because they sound whitty, not their meaning. You knew they're not part of any cabal.

That's obviously what he did.

You called a spade a spade. No use using energy to argue about it.

You got me there. Fair criticism.
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Ulyanyx
08/14/17 4:08:05 PM
#90:


kirbymuncher posted...
Gacha based games have basically killed multiple franchises and mostly ruined mobile as a gaming platform and yet criticizing them tends to get serious backlash for reasons I don't really understand

I'm not a big fan of microtransactions in general but I can at least accept the kind where you pick something and pay for it and that's that. stop turning games into casinos


people defend it because they have spent money on it

a friend of mine has every skin barring 8 on league of legends, and every champion. he's spent about 8 grand on league, and continues to play it even though many times he says he hates it.

when people invest time into something, they can put it down. when you invest money and time, it's a lot harder.
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Sad_Face
08/14/17 4:26:00 PM
#91:


ZombiePelican posted...
You're joking right? He absolutely loves Nintendo,he literally shilled the Wii U up until it's death. He just hates how out of touch and greedy Nintendo is when it comes to their IPs and the internet. Also he hates fanboys on general not just Nintendo's


Come on guy. He's a massive contratrian. When everyone raved about BotW, he went and gave it a 7/10 to get the spotlight for the week and had a video out complaining about Nintendo fanboys the day after he released the review. Then he made a video telling people to go pirate Nintendo's games. All throughout, there was an uptick in his subscribers. He knows damn welling that crap on Nintendo brings home the bacon.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if he DDoSed his own site when he released his BotW review to falsely prove his case that Nintendo fanboys are the worst.
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UnfairRepresent
08/14/17 4:29:55 PM
#92:


Sad_Face posted...

Come on guy. He's a massive contratrian. When everyone raved about BotW, he went and gave it a 7/10 to get the spotlight for the week and had a video out complaining about Nintendo fanboys the day after he released the review. Then he made a video telling people to go pirate Nintendo's games. All throughout, there was an uptick in his subscribers. He knows damn welling that crap on Nintendo brings home the bacon.

This is sad.

"He gave a nintendo game a positive review. Clearly he's crapping on Ninteno intentionally for attention!?"

Can you not see how much of a fanboy you sound like?
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LittleRoyal
08/14/17 4:43:14 PM
#93:


Overwatch wasn't even the first popular game with microtransactions lootboxes and the like so why whine about it so much?


Also, isn't this guy sexist? I'm pretty sure I've seen him being sexist
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LittleRoyal
08/14/17 4:44:22 PM
#94:


UnfairRepresent posted...
Sad_Face posted...

Come on guy. He's a massive contratrian. When everyone raved about BotW, he went and gave it a 7/10 to get the spotlight for the week and had a video out complaining about Nintendo fanboys the day after he released the review. Then he made a video telling people to go pirate Nintendo's games. All throughout, there was an uptick in his subscribers. He knows damn welling that crap on Nintendo brings home the bacon.

This is sad.

"He gave a nintendo game a positive review. Clearly he's crapping on Ninteno intentionally for attention!?"

Can you not see how much of a fanboy you sound like?


I hate people who steal and pirate tbh, only exception being when they stop making/selling copies of the game and you can only get it from eBay or this sites like that
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Kaname_Madoka
08/14/17 4:53:36 PM
#95:


ZombiePelican posted...
CE's usual cabal of corporate thralls

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HylianFox
08/14/17 4:56:15 PM
#96:


Don't play mobile games. Problem solved.

I don't mind most DLC and crap like that, but the P2W model that has dominated mobile gaming can die in a fire.
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LittleRoyal
08/14/17 4:56:54 PM
#97:


@HylianFox posted...
Don't play mobile games. Problem solved.

I don't mind most DLC and crap like that, but the P2W model that has dominated mobile gaming can die in a fire.

This isn't about mobile games
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HylianFox
08/14/17 4:57:45 PM
#98:


LittleRoyal posted...
This isn't about mobile games

MTs aren't exclusive to mobile games, but that's where the glut of it is.
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LittleRoyal
08/14/17 5:03:05 PM
#99:


HylianFox posted...
LittleRoyal posted...
This isn't about mobile games

MTs aren't exclusive to mobile games, but that's where the glut of it is.

Microtransactions suck but it's needed for mobile games they won't make the game or have a team paid to update the game without money.

But for popular games like mass effect, gears war, overwatch, this one that he is currently whining loudly about, you really don't need all the microtransactions.
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Alucard188
08/14/17 5:04:24 PM
#100:


pinky0926 posted...
Agreed. I'm not really mad at developers. I'm mad at everyone who makes this the sensible and obvious choice for developers.


It's more likely the publishers doing this, not the developers.
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ZombiePelican
08/14/17 5:07:55 PM
#101:


Alucard188 posted...
pinky0926 posted...
Agreed. I'm not really mad at developers. I'm mad at everyone who makes this the sensible and obvious choice for developers.


It's more likely the publishers doing this, not the developers.

The only actual developers I can think are rotten enough to actually include microtransactions in their games are Capcom and Konami
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