Current Events > Would you hire a known nazi for a job if he was the best candidate?

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Situation: You are a high ranking manager who needs to hire a new employee. The industry doesn't matter, but let's say you were looking for a computer programmer. Let's say he's the best you've ever seen and he just is smarter than everyone else. For this example, let's say that he doesn't commit any violence and doesn't say anything in the office relating to his beliefs.

nope. if hes a nazi he will have inherent hate for a number of groups of people and even if he doesn't say something kind of hard to hide that kind of hate.
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KILBOTz posted...

nope. if hes a nazi he will have inherent hate for a number of groups of people and even if he doesn't say something kind of hard to hide that kind of hate.

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Why would any employer hire a walking liability

KILBOTz posted...

nope. if hes a nazi he will have inherent hate for a number of groups of people and even if he doesn't say something kind of hard to hide that kind of hate.

Inherent hate doesn't mean he cannot interact with someone he hates. There are tons of people who see black people as inferior, but they still talk and interact with them because they are smart enough to know the consequences of saying stupid shit and expressing their degraded views. (Well, most of them)

red_is_ash posted...

he just is smarter than everyone else

If that were true then he wouldn't be a nazi.
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FaultyGourry posted...

red_is_ash posted...

he just is smarter than everyone else

If that were true then he wouldn't be a nazi.

This
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Yes, it's better than hiring based on a diversity quota.
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Nepsy posted...

Yes, it's better than hiring based on a diversity quota.

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red_is_ash posted...

KILBOTz posted...

nope. if hes a nazi he will have inherent hate for a number of groups of people and even if he doesn't say something kind of hard to hide that kind of hate.

Inherent hate doesn't mean he cannot interact with someone he hates. There are tons of people who see black people as inferior, but they still talk and interact with them because they are smart enough to know the consequences of saying stupid shit and expressing their degraded views. (Well, most of them)

I think when you have people that hate others in a group it becomes toxic. They don't have to say anything about being nazis but when you hate someone you don't give them the benefit of the doubt or respect their intelligence/decision making process if you believe them to be genetically inferior. He might not be goose-stepping around saying kill all jews but I doubt there are any nazis that work well with a diverse group of people and I wouldn't take that risk.
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Nah
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I wouldn't be able to trust that employer when it came to interactions between him and others in the group. How can I trust a review he gives of another worker I know he specifically views as inferior? I could never trust him to make hiring decisions in the future or any decision .

If I can't trust him to have some sort of power and responsibility, how can I hire him?
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Being a Nazi makes him not the best candidate.

glitteringfairy posted...

Nepsy posted...

Yes, it's better than hiring based on a diversity quota.

This

Though if the company has the cash money to take risks on underqualification, more power to them I guess.
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If it involves as little human contact as possible
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red_is_ash posted...

smart enough to know the consequences of saying stupid shit and expressing their degraded views

so he isn't a known Nazi?

Raikuro posted...

red_is_ash posted...

smart enough to know the consequences of saying stupid shit and expressing their degraded views

so he isn't a known Nazi?

He is, he just says all his stupid stuff outside of work.

No, because if they're a known Nazi it's because they're public with that information and if I was running a business of any kind I would not want any associate to someone that's public with views like that, it would reflect badly on my business and probably lead to a negative work environment for my employees.
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A nazi is never the best candidate.
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No - regardless of the person's technical skills they will bring a level of discord to my workplace that I would prefer was not there. If they are a "known" Nazi it would be a never ending headache of other employees wanting to transfer / emotional distress lawsuits etc

red_is_ash posted...

Raikuro posted...

red_is_ash posted...

smart enough to know the consequences of saying stupid shit and expressing their degraded views

so he isn't a known Nazi?

He is, he just says all his stupid stuff outside of work.

Oh so he isn't smart enough to know the consequences

red_is_ash posted...

Situation: You are a high ranking manager who needs to hire a new employee. The industry doesn't matter, but let's say you were looking for a computer programmer. Let's say he's the best you've ever seen and he just is smarter than everyone else. For this example, let's say that he doesn't commit any violence and doesn't say anything in the office relating to his beliefs.

No, but not because they're a nazi specifically, it's because it would cause too much friction with other employees and drop overall productivity.
If I could keep them on as a stringer/freelance and work from home, then I probably would. I don;t care what crazy things you believe, as long as you do the work.
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Depends entirely how important the work is. If it wasn't anything earth-shattering, I'd probably have to pass on recruiting the guy. Because, these days being labeled racist or racist sympathizer, let alone Nazi can be a bit... problematic.

On the otherhand, if it was something incredibly important and he was the only guy available who could do the job. Yes, I would hire him. AND I would be completely unapologetic about it too.

FaultyGourry posted...

red_is_ash posted...

he just is smarter than everyone else

If that were true then he wouldn't be a nazi.

Yeah...

And yet... the mighty and powerful United States for example, needed these supposedly "Not so smart" people to win their precious space race. Plenty of people who created weapons and experimented with God knows, what else. Just got a little slap on the wrists BECAUSE they were just so smart... smarter than anyone else, at the time apparently :).

_Near_ posted

A nazi is never the best candidate.

Heh heh...

No, I wouldn't hire a known Nazi, just like I wouldn't hire a known BLM member.
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Nope. Being a part of a hate group is too far and extreme for it to be worth the cost.
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Bumble_ posted...

Yeah...

And yet... the mighty and powerful United States for example, needed these supposedly "Not so smart" people to win their precious space race. Plenty of people who created weapons and experimented with God knows, what else. Just got a little slap on the wrists BECAUSE they were just so smart... smarter than anyone else, at the time apparently :).

Putting aside the idea of being so idiotic one would think racism and antisemitism in today's political climate would be seen as acceptable to the average person. Also putting aside the scientists working out of fear of the fascist government. If those scientist that actually bought into the Nazi regime were smart they would have been able to logically deduce nazi ideology is complete bunk and operating under Hitler would be potentially dangerous to their careers, freedom and lives when the Axis inevitably lost. Knowledgeable does not equal smart.
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Also putting aside the scientists working out of fear of the fascist government.

Yeah... that took like 10 minutes. Good job.

Yes, the entirely expected: "Well, they weren't true Nazi!1" - defence. Well, here's a quote from wikipedia on the subject.

Operation Paperclip was a secret program of the Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency (JIOA) in which more than 1,600 German scientists, engineers, and technicians, such as Wernher von Braun and his V-2 rocket team, were recruited in post-Nazi Germany and taken to the U.S. for government employment, at the end of World War II; many were members and some were leaders of the Nazi Party

Yes, I'm sure they were all completely innocent in truth, and were just working on that stuff out of fear. Tell yourself that all you like. Me? I'm not quite as deluded as that :).

If those scientist that actually bought into the Nazi regime were smart they would have been able to logically deduce nazi ideology is complete bunk and operating under Hitler would be potentially dangerous to their careers, freedom and lives when the Axis inevitably lost. Knowledgeable does not equal smart.

Smart enough to escape any real consequences of being part of Hitler's genocidal regime tho :).

23 people would hire Nazis before any minority to.
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Axiom posted...

Why would any employer hire a walking liability?

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TheVipaGTS posted...

Being a Nazi makes him not the best candidate.

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Manocheese posted...

No, I wouldn't hire a known Nazi, just like I wouldn't hire a known BLM member.

Fair enough
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I don't want his kind in my place of business as an employee, a person's values and beliefs matter.
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Bumble_ posted...

Yeah... that took like 10 minutes. Good job.

Yes, the entirely expected: "Well, they weren't true Nazi!1" - defence. Well, here's a quote from wikipedia on the subject.

Operation Paperclip was a secret program of the Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency (JIOA) in which more than 1,600 German scientists, engineers, and technicians, such as Wernher von Braun and his V-2 rocket team, were recruited in post-Nazi Germany and taken to the U.S. for government employment, at the end of World War II; many were members and some were leaders of the Nazi Party

Yes, I'm sure they were all completely innocent in truth, and were just working on that stuff out of fear. Tell yourself that all you like. Me? I'm not quite as deluded as that :).

Notice the 'such as' and 'many' in that quote. I wasn't saying there weren't Nazi scientists, I was saying there were undoubtedly scientist who only worked under the regime because of fear and intimidation that we aren't even going to take into account.

Bumble_ posted...

Smart enough to escape any real consequences of being part of Hitler's genocidal regime tho :).

I wouldn't say working for an opponent that would have otherwise killed you is smart. That's more common sense. What's smart would not be put putting yourself in a position where that would happen in the first place.
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Yes if it was a white collar profession
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gunplagirl posted...

FaultyGourry posted...

red_is_ash posted...

he just is smarter than everyone else

If that were true then he wouldn't be a nazi.

This

Considering how much meaning Nazi has lost in the modern day perhaps. Depends on what sort of position I am hiring for and my impressions in the interview "known Nazi" could mean "he voted for Trump"

Not even talking about the Charlottestown stuff. Nazi has been reduced to a meaningless buzzword just like racist, bigot, SJW, etc.
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I wouldn't hire someone who would likely want to kill me, no.
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everyone who voted yes should be ashamed of themselves
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Nope. Nazi =/= blm =/= isis, or any other hate group.

Scum of the earth.
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Anyone who says yes has basically no real life experience in a workplace, and most likely has a beard on their neck.

Depends on how much he can keep it to himself.
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Jon_Gruden posted...

Anyone who says yes has basically no real life experience in a workplace, and most likely has a beard on their neck.

this, getting hired in a professional role is more than just being the best at typing numbers into a spreadsheet, you have to proficient at dealing with and getting along with people and presenting the company in a good light
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As long as he behaves himself. All employees need to be professional in the work place.
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If he's my only employee, perhaps, but if I have other employees then absolutely not. There is no way for me to know whether or not he will express these ideas in the workplace, but if I, the person interviewing him, am aware that he is a nazi then my other employees would know it too. It would not only be foolish to knowingly introduce that type of liability, but it would be a huge disservice to my existing workers.
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As long as he doesn't bring Nazi talk in the workplace or didn't do some stupid shit, sure.
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Gamer99z posted...

No, because if they're a known Nazi it's because they're public with that information and if I was running a business of any kind I would not want any associate to someone that's public with views like that, it would reflect badly on my business and probably lead to a negative work environment for my employees.

This.
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Superlinkbro posted...

As long as he doesn't bring Nazi talk in the workplace or didn't do some stupid shit, sure.

highly unlikely
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I don't want to create a toxic work environment. Whatever qualifications he may have aren't worth the alienation of other workers and potential workers.
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Axiom posted...

Why would any employer hire a walking liability

I mean they do it all the time. Imagine if people stopped hiring pregnant women or people with chronic health problems (which is illegal). They're going to cost the employer in the future. That's a liability.
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EndOfDiscOne posted...

Axiom posted...

Why would any employer hire a walking liability

I mean they do it all the time. Imagine if people stopped hiring pregnant women or people with chronic health problems (which is illegal). They're going to cost the employer in the future. That's a liability.

are you comparing pregnant women to nazis brah

lo fucking l
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