Current Events > Higher education in the US is basically commercialized. Is no one concerned?

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The best universities are more concerned with building their brand and selling merchandise, and it's not really about the education.

How are Americans not more concerned about this and simply just accept it as a way of life? Having to pay a hundred thousand dollars for a good school and a piece of paper at the end.

Don't you realize that if you keep nearly the entire population stupid, the country itself will suffer as a result? However if you make higher education free, everyone will be smart and the entire country will prosper as a result...
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Americans disparage education.
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America is commercialised.
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The people in power benefit from a less educated population so nothing will be done about this.
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Why should I pay extra taxes to allow someone else to go to university?

A lot of people are concerned.
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Milo_Yiannopous posted...

Why should I pay extra taxes to allow someone else to go to university?

Why are you fine with paying so much in taxes for an overly bloated military but paying a little more to better your peers is where you draw the line? You wouldn't even need to pay more if the government ever got its collective heads out of their asses and slashed the military budget.
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such is life in america
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sylverlolol posted...

Milo_Yiannopous posted...

Why should I pay extra taxes to allow someone else to go to university?

Why are you fine with paying so much in taxes for an overly bloated military but paying a little more to better your peers is where you draw the line? You wouldn't even need to pay more if the government ever got its collective heads out of their asses and slashed the military budget.

It's not even about it being an altruistic act of paying taxes to better your peers; your paying taxes so that these peers become smarter workers, more efficient government officials, and actually helpful law enforcement. It's a win win for you, it's not some kinda charity act.
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american college education wasn't built first in mind as everyone needing that level of education to make a living. many uneducated immigrants came here, got some form of basic education and learned english, then had ease of access to start their own businesses and entrepreneurial ventures - and if not that factories were everywhere and one could get a job there for life if they wanted - just move up the factory ladder and be manager eventually.

college was reserved for niche professions like doctors and lawyers.
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Milo_Yiannopous posted...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality

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sylverlolol posted...

Milo_Yiannopous posted...

Why should I pay extra taxes to allow someone else to go to university?

Why are you fine with paying so much in taxes for an overly bloated military but paying a little more to better your peers is where you draw the line? You wouldn't even need to pay more if the government ever got its collective heads out of their asses and slashed the military budget.

I agree.

myzz7 posted...

american college education wasn't built first in mind as everyone needing that level of education to make a living. many uneducated immigrants came here, got some form of basic education and learned english, then had ease of access to start their own businesses and entrepreneurial ventures - and if not that factories were everywhere and one could get a job there for life if they wanted - just move up the factory ladder and be manager eventually.

college was reserved for niche professions like doctors and lawyers.

THat's one way to look at it
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Funkydog posted...

America is commercialised.

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Yeah that's true, and for the most part it could be a good thing like privatising rehabilitation facilities for convicts. But in this case...
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i say the price isnt high enough. not everyone is meant to go to college. the higher the amount of people enrolling in college, the lower the quality of education. making education free would lower educational standards so low that you wouldnt learn anything. imagine a class of 250k people in it. no. also, if education is free, the educators will definitely take a cut in their paycheck, decreasing their incentive to teach well
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saspa posted...

Yeah that's true, and for the most part it could be a good thing like privatising rehabilitation facilities for convicts. But in this case...

I assume you mean the prison system right which is already privatized.

Privatizing actual rehabilitation facilities for mentally ill convicts could arguably be a groundbreaking idea for America but could also be extremely exploitable in the worst way.

The prision system is fucked though. If that's what you're talking about it's not a good thing at all.

On topic, we have Betsy Devos to save us brah. MAGA and all that.
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saspa posted...

However if you make higher education free, everyone will be smart and the entire country will prosper as a result...

And still no one will go to school because the moment everyone can go textbook makers will jack the prices of their shit into the stratosphere. And that's before getting into how pointless it is to send everyone to college for "free" when their talents and goals may not even require it.
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saspa posted...

However if you make higher education free, everyone will be smart and the entire country will prosper as a result...

Lmfao
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saspa posted...

However if you make higher education free, everyone will be smart and the entire country will prosper as a result...

you're assuming everyone has the same capacity and will power to learn. it'd be a waste of time and money to funnel a person into college only for them to fail miserably.

education should be reserved for those who truly want to learn, not for some common folk
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saspa posted...

altruistic act of paying taxes to better your peers

Okay, let's clear this up, there is nothing altruistic about being forced to give money to ANYTHING under penalty of imprisonment. For something to be altruistic, it has to be done of the giver's own will.
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Crazyman93 posted...

saspa posted...

altruistic act of paying taxes to better your peers

Okay, let's clear this up, there is nothing altruistic about being forced to give money to ANYTHING under penalty of imprisonment. For something to be altruistic, it has to be done of the giver's own will.

and what's so altruistic about giving money to people who will waste it by partying all semester instead of studying?
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BlackHorse6969 posted...

Crazyman93 posted...

saspa posted...

altruistic act of paying taxes to better your peers

Okay, let's clear this up, there is nothing altruistic about being forced to give money to ANYTHING under penalty of imprisonment. For something to be altruistic, it has to be done of the giver's own will.

and what's so altruistic about giving money to people who will waste it by partying all semester instead of studying?

There's that too. You don't need college to be a success, trade jobs are in high demand right now, largely thanks to the "Go to college or be nothing" narrative. Except now the people who went to college are struggling to find ANYTHING that makes them special compared to every other dope who went to college. I blame the modern teacher. 12 years of regular school, then off to college, then back to school and eventually get tenure, so they never get real world experience.
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LightningAce11 posted...

Americans disparage education.

this is actually unfortunately a little too true. We just want to bang our chest and talk about how great we are. No substance.
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I'm not concerned, but I'm also Canadian.

Crazyman93 posted...

BlackHorse6969 posted...

Crazyman93 posted...

saspa posted...

altruistic act of paying taxes to better your peers

Okay, let's clear this up, there is nothing altruistic about being forced to give money to ANYTHING under penalty of imprisonment. For something to be altruistic, it has to be done of the giver's own will.

and what's so altruistic about giving money to people who will waste it by partying all semester instead of studying?

There's that too. You don't need college to be a success, trade jobs are in high demand right now, largely thanks to the "Go to college or be nothing" narrative. Except now the people who went to college are struggling to find ANYTHING that makes them special compared to every other dope who went to college. I blame the modern teacher. 12 years of regular school, then off to college, then back to school and eventually get tenure, so they never get real world experience.

Not really though. Even trade jobs aren't as much of a fix as analysts previously predicted.
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BlackHorse6969 posted...

i say the price isnt high enough. not everyone is meant to go to college. the higher the amount of people enrolling in college, the lower the quality of education. making education free would lower educational standards so low that you wouldnt learn anything. imagine a class of 250k people in it. no. also, if education is free, the educators will definitely take a cut in their paycheck, decreasing their incentive to teach well

Why the fuck would you raise the price instead of making it more difficult to get into college? Preserving college for the wealthy would just add to more economic disparity.
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Lot of dumb opinions on this topic. As a country we're not going to be able to thrive turning out a high school educated workforce. Tightening higher education as manual labor jobs are automatized is a great formula to creating a state where a majority of its citizens are on welfare by 2030.

Blue_Dream87 posted...

BlackHorse6969 posted...

i say the price isnt high enough. not everyone is meant to go to college. the higher the amount of people enrolling in college, the lower the quality of education. making education free would lower educational standards so low that you wouldnt learn anything. imagine a class of 250k people in it. no. also, if education is free, the educators will definitely take a cut in their paycheck, decreasing their incentive to teach well

Why the fuck would you raise the price instead of making it more difficult to get into college? Preserving college for the wealthy would just add to more economic disparity.

Tell me about it. Some of the posts in this topic, whether intentionally or not, seem to be proving my point with their flawed level of logic.
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After all, not commercializing uni doesn't mean "everyone gets a free ride". It means those who actually work hard, don't need to scrape together hundreds of thousands of dollars and be up to their noses in student loan debt.
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