Current Events > In FF 7, who had the dominant genes and who had the recessive genes between

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Cloud and Sephiroth? Is Cloud like Snake and Sephiroth like Liquid?
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I'm not sure why you're talking about dominant or recessive genes. It's not like MGS where there was some genetic science done on them in the womb. The closest we've got is Sephiroth, who was injected with Jenova cells while in the womb with the intent of turning him into some superhuman soldier.
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Zidane in FF9 had better genes than Kuja.
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Blonde hair is a recessive gene, but I dunno what the fuck to make of Sephiroth's.
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I think Halo is a pretty cool guy. eh kills aleins and doesn't afraid of anything.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

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Is that the one where Arnie becomes male pregnant?
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Well Cloud isn't a Sephiroth clone so....
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I'd just like to point out that the whole dominant/recessive thing in MGS is incredibly stupid and shows a complete lack of understanding how genetics work.
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cobain27 posted...

I'd just like to point out that the whole dominant/recessive thing in MGS is incredibly stupid and shows a complete lack of understanding how genetics work.

Yep.

Shoutouts to Katie Tiedrich
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Emerald_Wyvern posted...

Well Cloud isn't a Sephiroth clone so....

Then what's all this controlling cloud to give him the black materia thing?
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SomeLikeItHoth posted...

Zidane in FF9 had better genes than Kuja.

Zidane is way hotter too
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oh saspa
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saspa posted...

Emerald_Wyvern posted...

Well Cloud isn't a Sephiroth clone so....

Then what's all this controlling cloud to give him the black materia thing?

jenova cells planted in his body after tossing sephiroth into lifestream and the fact that at that point in the game he doesn't really remember who he is yet.
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saspa posted...

Emerald_Wyvern posted...

Well Cloud isn't a Sephiroth clone so....

Then what's all this controlling cloud to give him the black materia thing?

He was injected with Jenova's cells while in the Mako Vat. He was an experiment.

When Cloud hands the Black Materia to Sephiroth, Hojo says something along the lines of "Oh...it's you...hmph, I don't want a failed experiment!"
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Etherealfare posted...

saspa posted...

Emerald_Wyvern posted...

Well Cloud isn't a Sephiroth clone so....

Then what's all this controlling cloud to give him the black materia thing?

He was injected with Jenova's cells while in the Mako Vat. He was an experiment.

When Cloud hands the Black Materia to Sephiroth, Hojo says something along the lines of "Oh...it's you...hmph, I don't want a failed experiment!"

Iirc he told cloud that he didn't deserve a number because he was a failed experiment
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Yeah, that was it
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Well the truth is there were originally eight Clouds, but six of them were sacrificed in the womb to increase the odds of survival of Solid Cloud (Zack) and Liquid Cloud (Cloud). But it wasn't until the sequel that they learned there was a Solidus Cloud too. Then they made Sephiroth Naked Cloud and also there was Ludcox, who was organization member XV and was actually Cloud's subconscious when Cloud was plugged into the Matrix where True Cloud--his residual self-image--fought against Agent Cloud, the Templar who headed Abstergo at the time.
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DevsBro posted...

Well the truth is there were originally eight Clouds, but six of them were sacrificed in the womb to increase the odds of survival of Solid Cloud (Zack) and Liquid Cloud (Cloud). But it wasn't until the sequel that they learned there was a Solidus Cloud too. Then they made Sephiroth Naked Cloud and also there was Ludcox, who was organization member XV and was actually Cloud's subconscious when Cloud was plugged into the Matrix where True Cloud--his residual self-image--fought against Agent Cloud, the Templar who headed Abstergo at the time.

That explains so much!
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What about Venom Cloud I didn't get that part.

Yeah me neither that's why I skipped that part.
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cobain27 posted...

I'd just like to point out that the whole dominant/recessive thing in MGS is incredibly stupid and shows a complete lack of understanding how genetics work.

You are talking about a series where a guy gets his arm cut off and he replaces it with the arm of another guy and the other guy possesses the rest of the body from his arm.
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I'd just like to point out that the whole dominant/recessive thing in MGS is incredibly stupid and shows a complete lack of understanding how genetics work.

Not if you paid attention. Tell me what's wrong with it.
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DevsBro posted...

I'd just like to point out that the whole dominant/recessive thing in MGS is incredibly stupid and shows a complete lack of understanding how genetics work.

Not if you paid attention. Tell me what's wrong with it.

for starters once you start swapping different types of genes around, you no longer have clones.
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Sure, but that didn't happen.

So it
was you and I. Two fertilized eggs with exactly the same DNA.
But... they weren't finished yet. They used me as a guinea pig! To
create a phenotype in which all of the dominant genes were
expressed.... to create you. I got all of the recessive genes!

Altering phenotype belongs in a genetics discussion but does nothing to the genetic code.

Though MGS4 later retconned that.
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DevsBro posted...

Sure, but that didn't happen.

So it
was you and I. Two fertilized eggs with exactly the same DNA.
But... they weren't finished yet. They used me as a guinea pig! To
create a phenotype in which all of the dominant genes were
expressed.... to create you. I got all of the recessive genes!

Altering phenotype belongs in a genetics discussion but does nothing to the genetic code.

Though MGS4 later retconned that.

recessive genes cannot be expressed if a dominant gene overpowers them.

if you have two identical clones, one does not have more or less recessive genes than the others.

It's impossible for Liquid (but actually Solid) Snake to have all of the recessive genes and the two of them are still clones.
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Why is Glenn a marshmallow? I thought he was a frog.
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That's why, like I quoted and you requoted, Liquid specifically says their genotypes are identical but their phenotypes are opposite.

Which essentially means they dyed Liquid's hair in utero.
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I'm not even touching the Solid recessive thing. There is not one line of dialog that could even be misconstrued to say that. I dunno how that became such a common misconception.
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DevsBro posted...

Well the truth is there were originally eight Clouds, but six of them were sacrificed in the womb to increase the odds of survival of Solid Cloud (Zack) and Liquid Cloud (Cloud). But it wasn't until the sequel that they learned there was a Solidus Cloud too. Then they made Sephiroth Naked Cloud and also there was Ludcox, who was organization member XV and was actually Cloud's subconscious when Cloud was plugged into the Matrix where True Cloud--his residual self-image--fought against Agent Cloud, the Templar who headed Abstergo at the time.

I'm simultaneously disgusted with myself for being able to perfectly follow this and impressed by you for creating it.
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DevsBro posted...

I'd just like to point out that the whole dominant/recessive thing in MGS is incredibly stupid and shows a complete lack of understanding how genetics work.

Not if you paid attention. Tell me what's wrong with it.

"Dominant genes are good, recessive genes are bad."
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"Dominant genes are good, recessive genes are bad."

But this isn't actually true in-universe either. Liquid thought it was but the entire point of the story was to disprove him. He also thought humans were going extinct because they are symmetrical. Actually, he kinda seems to think it only applies to the Snakes and the genome soldiers.
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saspa posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

http://www.gstatic.com/tv/thumb/movieposters/11311/p11311_p_v8_af.jpg

Is that the one where Arnie becomes male pregnant?

Nah, you're thinking of Junior.
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DevsBro posted...

I'm not even touching the Solid recessive thing. There is not one line of dialog that could even be misconstrued to say that. I dunno how that became such a common misconception.

I wonder if you even played the game.

Major spoilers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm_lxeQ6PmM
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I know without watching the video you're referring to the after credits scene, and I maintain that there's no line in the game that could even be misconstrued to mean that.

I also maintain that I'm not touching that one.
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DevsBro posted...

I know without watching the video you're referring to the after credits scene, and I maintain that there's no line in the game that could even be misconstrued to mean that.

I also maintain that I'm not touching that one.

Ok. But there is nothing to misconstrue. They flat out say it with no uncertain terms.
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