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Rika_Furude
08/09/17 11:29:15 PM
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if a man breaks into your daughters room to rape her, and you kill him, what punishment is justified?



Just curious
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foreveraIone
08/09/17 11:29:44 PM
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No punishment. Violent assholes get what they deserve.
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ToonLinkWithGun
08/09/17 11:30:13 PM
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Any option other than 1 is a troll
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Rika_Furude
08/09/17 11:31:35 PM
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Not sure if the poll options got cut off or not. Just for clarity, option 2 continues on to say "not murder because not premeditated"
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Sayoria
08/09/17 11:31:48 PM
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The death is justified. Rape can do psychological damage to people. Life-long damage. If you are willing to step that line on someone like that, expect the worst.
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Hey
08/09/17 11:32:28 PM
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Sayoria posted...
The death is justified. Rape can do psychological damage to people. Life-long damage. If you are willing to step that line on someone like that, expect the worst.

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KStateKing17
08/09/17 11:33:44 PM
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foreveraIone posted...
No punishment. Violent assholes get what they deserve.



ToonLinkWithGun posted...
Any option other than 1 is a troll

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OctilIery
08/09/17 11:34:17 PM
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You kill him during the attempt? None at all.

You kill him after? It depends on the situation, but lenient at worst.
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Giblet_Enjoyer
08/09/17 11:35:34 PM
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Depends on the circumstances I guess. If the dad just pops in with a gun, sees what's going on and shoots, then the first one. If the guy acts like he's surrendering but then the dad shoots anyway, then maybe the second. If he climbs out the window and runs but the dad chases him down and kills him then probably 3
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poop_corn
08/09/17 11:37:05 PM
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KStateKing17 posted...
foreveraIone posted...
No punishment. Violent assholes get what they deserve.



ToonLinkWithGun posted...
Any option other than 1 is a troll

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thronedfire2
08/09/17 11:37:38 PM
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ToonLinkWithGun posted...
Any option other than 1 is a troll

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OctilIery
08/09/17 11:37:50 PM
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Giblet_Enjoyer posted...
Depends on the circumstances I guess. If the dad just pops in with a gun, sees what's going on and shoots, then the first one. If the guy acts like he's surrendering but then the dad shoots anyway, then maybe the second. If he climbs out the window and runs but the dad chases him down and kills him then probably 3

Tbqh, if the guy is running when he's shot, I'd say no charge. This isn't some shoplifting or something, it's a violent felon fleeing, and letting him live puts more people in danger. Same reasoning for the Supreme Court supporting cops in the same situation.
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Fam_Fam
08/09/17 11:38:11 PM
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Sayoria posted...
The death is justified. Rape can do psychological damage to people. Life-long damage. If you are willing to step that line on someone like that, expect the worst.


so can watching someone be murdered
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Life Sympathy
08/09/17 11:38:33 PM
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In my state, the law states that deadly force is justified in that scenario.
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JE19426
08/09/17 11:38:49 PM
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There isn't enough information to decide.
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Milkman5
08/09/17 11:39:12 PM
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ToonLinkWithGun posted...
Any option other than 1 is a troll
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Hey
08/09/17 11:39:31 PM
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Fam_Fam posted...
Sayoria posted...
The death is justified. Rape can do psychological damage to people. Life-long damage. If you are willing to step that line on someone like that, expect the worst.


so can watching someone be murdered

Less so than rape
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Rika_Furude
08/09/17 11:39:55 PM
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Giblet_Enjoyer posted...
Depends on the circumstances I guess. If the dad just pops in with a gun, sees what's going on and shoots, then the first one. If the guy acts like he's surrendering but then the dad shoots anyway, then maybe the second. If he climbs out the window and runs but the dad chases him down and kills him then probably 3

What if hes currently in the act, penetrated even, and then says "dont shoot, ill stop, im puling out now"
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salandrews
08/09/17 11:41:00 PM
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Rika_Furude posted...
Giblet_Enjoyer posted...
Depends on the circumstances I guess. If the dad just pops in with a gun, sees what's going on and shoots, then the first one. If the guy acts like he's surrendering but then the dad shoots anyway, then maybe the second. If he climbs out the window and runs but the dad chases him down and kills him then probably 3

What if hes currently in the act, penetrated even, and then says "dont shoot, ill stop, im puling out now"


Then you still shoot to kill.
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KStateKing17
08/09/17 11:41:25 PM
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Well obviously if you were to go after him and get him a week after it happened, then of course you'd go for murder. If he's in the process then fuck him.
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DreadedWave
08/09/17 11:43:09 PM
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Did you really think anyone was going to choose any of the options except the first one?
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Sayoria
08/09/17 11:50:41 PM
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Fam_Fam posted...
Sayoria posted...
The death is justified. Rape can do psychological damage to people. Life-long damage. If you are willing to step that line on someone like that, expect the worst.


so can watching someone be murdered


I'm pretty sure in the instance one is being attacked, the moment you are safe is far more of a relief than getting fully attacked rape-wise and knowing they got away with it (or put in jail) .... you'd feel violated, scared to sleep at night and possibly hate men forever at that point. There's been many women who have been through that. There's no way a murder would be as psychologically scarring if they are being attacked.
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legendarylemur
08/09/17 11:57:51 PM
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Also, I wouldn't even care if I got arrested for it and convicted for some type of murder. I'd fucking defend my family no matter what happens
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PokeRocksUSA
08/10/17 12:05:26 AM
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None.

I'm so glad to live in a Castle Law state for reasons like this.
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Ving_Rhames
08/10/17 12:06:09 AM
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ToonLinkWithGun posted...
Any option other than 1 is a troll

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MuayThai85
08/10/17 12:06:36 AM
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Regardless of what would happen to me his life would be over. No hesitation, I'll strangle the life out of him.
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ChromaticAngel
08/10/17 12:09:01 AM
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Frankly, I think even if he wasn't breaking into my daughter's room to rape her, I should not get any punishment for killing him.
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the_cajun88
08/10/17 12:10:01 AM
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Kill the shit out of him until he dies.
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Giblet_Enjoyer
08/10/17 1:05:02 AM
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OctilIery posted...
Giblet_Enjoyer posted...
Depends on the circumstances I guess. If the dad just pops in with a gun, sees what's going on and shoots, then the first one. If the guy acts like he's surrendering but then the dad shoots anyway, then maybe the second. If he climbs out the window and runs but the dad chases him down and kills him then probably 3

Tbqh, if the guy is running when he's shot, I'd say no charge. This isn't some shoplifting or something, it's a violent felon fleeing, and letting him live puts more people in danger. Same reasoning for the Supreme Court supporting cops in the same situation.

Oh I thought this topic was about legality, not morality

Yeah morally I'd say you're justified shooting him at any point I suppose
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OctilIery
08/10/17 1:12:54 AM
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Giblet_Enjoyer posted...
OctilIery posted...
Giblet_Enjoyer posted...
Depends on the circumstances I guess. If the dad just pops in with a gun, sees what's going on and shoots, then the first one. If the guy acts like he's surrendering but then the dad shoots anyway, then maybe the second. If he climbs out the window and runs but the dad chases him down and kills him then probably 3

Tbqh, if the guy is running when he's shot, I'd say no charge. This isn't some shoplifting or something, it's a violent felon fleeing, and letting him live puts more people in danger. Same reasoning for the Supreme Court supporting cops in the same situation.

Oh I thought this topic was about legality, not morality

Yeah morally I'd say you're justified shooting him at any point I suppose

Both.
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GiftedACIII
08/10/17 1:34:42 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
Giblet_Enjoyer posted...
Depends on the circumstances I guess. If the dad just pops in with a gun, sees what's going on and shoots, then the first one. If the guy acts like he's surrendering but then the dad shoots anyway, then maybe the second. If he climbs out the window and runs but the dad chases him down and kills him then probably 3

What if hes currently in the act, penetrated even, and then says "dont shoot, ill stop, im puling out now"


tbh I can't see a rapist ever saying this unless he was intending to backstab you at the earliest possibility so shooting him would still be justified here. Reasonable doubt and all
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legendarylemur
08/10/17 1:41:06 AM
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Yeah shoot on sight, especially if he has a dick out in any form or fashion, I pulled the trigger the instant I saw the scene. I don't think I'd own a gun tho. I'd probably stab his eyes out with something
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apolloooo
08/10/17 1:44:33 AM
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ToonLinkWithGun posted...
Any option other than 1 is a troll

This. Anyone come to me or my family with intention to harm i will no doubt kill them if i can. There is no fucking negotiation on this one
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Vicious_Dios
08/10/17 1:49:03 AM
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Imagine voting for the second or the third option.
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Rika_Furude
08/10/17 3:56:37 AM
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AwesomeOSauce
08/10/17 4:17:10 AM
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That guy is dead.

Eat Ice Cream and watch Death Wish with daughter afterwards to comfort her.
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gguirao
08/10/17 4:17:48 AM
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foreveraIone posted...
No punishment. Violent assholes get what they deserve.

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literal_garbage
08/10/17 4:20:10 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
why are people voting 2 and 3

Some people think that you shouldn't be able to gun down people and be above the law
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hockeybub89
08/10/17 4:30:07 AM
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Isn't this basically considered self-defense provided you don't like stab the guy 100 times or torture him?
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Rika_Furude
08/10/17 4:30:13 AM
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literal_garbage posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
why are people voting 2 and 3

Some people think that you shouldn't be able to gun down people and be above the law

they dont care about their daughters?
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LittleRoyal
08/10/17 4:38:22 AM
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"He potentially ruined your daughters next several years, possibly gave her a life long or anxiety and fear in her own home, and may have led her to have trouble trusting men and ever being able to sleep alone again, but you're bad for trying to stop it."


Honestly even if the guy died before anything happened can you imagine how scary it would be to ever sleep again, because maybe next time you don't get help? I'm sure it's worse if it actually happens to someone but it hasn't happened to me so I don't want to try to talk about it too much. Makes me sad and uncomfortable.
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SuperVegito2487
08/10/17 4:44:22 AM
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Legally? option 2 or 3 i fear...

Morally? none.

My opinion on Home Invaders... is a bit crazy... i can be very damn petty and this isnt excluded from it.
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literal_garbage
08/10/17 4:47:00 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
literal_garbage posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
why are people voting 2 and 3

Some people think that you shouldn't be able to gun down people and be above the law

they dont care about their daughters?

Do you ever post anything that isn't a strawman
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LittleRoyal
08/10/17 4:49:29 AM
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SuperVegito2487 posted...
Legally? option 2 or 3 i fear...

Morally? none.

My opinion on Home Invaders... is a bit crazy... i can be very damn petty and this isnt excluded from it.

No, legally 1. He threatened her life, rape is a crime that affects victims their whole life and if you kill someone who is actively trying to rape your daughter after they broke in, it is legal.
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SuperVegito2487
08/10/17 4:52:15 AM
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LittleRoyal posted...

No, legally 1. He threatened her life, rape is a crime that affects victims their whole life and if you kill someone who is actively trying to rape your daughter after they broke in, it is legal.


I dont think thats the case... youre allowed to stop him but isnt killing him considered "excessive force" and then they would get you on that?

Thats the part i fear... but ill admit im not a law student.
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LittleRoyal
08/10/17 4:54:40 AM
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SuperVegito2487 posted...
LittleRoyal posted...

No, legally 1. He threatened her life, rape is a crime that affects victims their whole life and if you kill someone who is actively trying to rape your daughter after they broke in, it is legal.


I dont think thats the case... youre allowed to stop him but isnt killing him considered "excessive force" and then they would get you on that?

Thats the part i fear... but ill admit im not a law student.


Guns and knives aren't excessive force if he has a weapon of his own, or if he broke in and you don't know what he has, and he's about to attack someone.
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SuperVegito2487
08/10/17 4:57:18 AM
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LittleRoyal posted...
Guns and knives aren't excessive force if he has a weapon of his own, or if he broke in and you don't know what he has, and he's about to attack someone.


I think it is so where i live atleast, i cant say for everywhere.

Id be happy to be wrong on that front though but thats another story.
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LittleRoyal
08/10/17 4:58:19 AM
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SuperVegito2487 posted...
LittleRoyal posted...
Guns and knives aren't excessive force if he has a weapon of his own, or if he broke in and you don't know what he has, and he's about to attack someone.


I think it is so where i live atleast, i cant say for everywhere.

Id be happy to be wrong on that front though but thats another story.


Bleh. So where you live if someone pulls a knife and you shoot them you get arrested?
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SuperVegito2487
08/10/17 4:59:20 AM
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LittleRoyal posted...

Bleh. So where you live if someone pulls a knife and you shoot them you get arrested?


I honestly dont know... if you have gun training and shoots to kill i think so... again im not a law student.

If he doesnt have a knife, or if he doesnt pull it and you dont know then yes pretty sure, again excessive force.

All i do know is that if someone breaks in and your dog attacks, its gonna euthanized (and thats a heavily debated subject), also recall something about a shop lifter getting away because the guy that caught him didnt let him free after 5 minutes or something.

Then again such things VERY rarely happens, its a rather peaceful country so yeah.
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