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Callixtus
08/06/17 12:59:28 AM
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but then turn around and say that conversion therapy in any form whatsoever is absolutely impossible and should be banned from the face of the Earth?

That don't sound right.
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Mikablu
08/06/17 1:00:37 AM
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Conversion therapy is pretty much sanctioned psychological (and sometimes physical) torture, so...
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MorbidFaithless
08/06/17 1:01:18 AM
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Mikablu posted...
Conversion therapy is pretty much sanctioned psychological (and sometimes physical) torture, so...

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Callixtus
08/06/17 1:01:27 AM
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Mikablu posted...
Conversion therapy is pretty much sanctioned psychological (and sometimes physical) torture, so...

But I thought gender and sexuality are fluid so why can't you EVER help anyone change their identity
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Dash_Harber
08/06/17 1:01:28 AM
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No one says it's impossible.

We say it's inhumane, pointless, torture.
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Dash_Harber
08/06/17 1:02:01 AM
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Callixtus posted...
Mikablu posted...
Conversion therapy is pretty much sanctioned psychological (and sometimes physical) torture, so...

But I thought gender and sexuality are fluid so why can't you EVER help anyone change their identity

Because there is nothing to 'help'. People are who they are and it's about as useful is torturing someone to try and change their favorite pizza topping.
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Callixtus
08/06/17 1:03:35 AM
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Dash_Harber posted...
Callixtus posted...
Mikablu posted...
Conversion therapy is pretty much sanctioned psychological (and sometimes physical) torture, so...

But I thought gender and sexuality are fluid so why can't you EVER help anyone change their identity

Because there is nothing to 'help'. People are who they are and it's about as useful is torturing someone to try and change their favorite pizza topping.

Transgenders aren't who they think they are so your statement is misleading.
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TheDarkCircle
08/06/17 1:03:57 AM
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Imagine giving a fuck about who other people fuck
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Callixtus
08/06/17 1:05:04 AM
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Dash_Harber posted...
No one says it's impossible.

We say it's inhumane, pointless, torture.

No more inhumane then destroying working body parts to satisfy a delusion.

Would seem far more humane to me to keep open the potential for alternatives to coach anomalous individuals into sanity
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Dash_Harber
08/06/17 1:06:04 AM
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Conversion therapy is someone else telling you that you need to change your sexuality because it is morally wrong and you are unnatural/a sinner/an abomination. Why would someone want to change their sexuality?

Sex change surgery is you changing your physical body to match what you feel you are.

I'm not sure how you can even compare the two. It comes off as an attempt to troll, honestly. I don't get the logic that says that the two are anything a like. Please explain.
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Dash_Harber
08/06/17 1:06:33 AM
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Callixtus posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
No one says it's impossible.

We say it's inhumane, pointless, torture.

No more inhumane then destroying working body parts to satisfy a delusion.

Would seem far more humane to me to keep open the potential for alternatives to coach anomalous individuals into sanity


Ah, so you are either a fundamentalist or a troll. Good to know.
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ultimate reaver
08/06/17 1:09:15 AM
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Conversion therapy is about repression and beating yourself down physchologically till the point that you are in denial about yourself. I mean, that's what it is -now-. As recent or 20 or 30 years it was much more violent and creepy if you actually do any sort of research on the subject.

Either way, it's held as generally ineffectual at best and actively harmful to the psyche at worst by most psychologists, and I feel pretty comfortable listening to them regardless of political affliation
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Callixtus
08/06/17 1:09:26 AM
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Dash_Harber posted...
Callixtus posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
No one says it's impossible.

We say it's inhumane, pointless, torture.

No more inhumane then destroying working body parts to satisfy a delusion.

Would seem far more humane to me to keep open the potential for alternatives to coach anomalous individuals into sanity


Ah, so you are either a fundamentalist or a troll. Good to know.

So only fundamentalist or trolls think we shouldnt be encouraging children as young as 6 years old to follow a path upon which they will eventually have their future breasts destroyed or penises eviscerated?

Good to know.
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Annihilated
08/06/17 1:09:55 AM
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Dash_Harber posted...
Callixtus posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
No one says it's impossible.

We say it's inhumane, pointless, torture.

No more inhumane then destroying working body parts to satisfy a delusion.

Would seem far more humane to me to keep open the potential for alternatives to coach anomalous individuals into sanity


Ah, so you are either a fundamentalist or a troll. Good to know.


It's so amusing to see leftist trolls lash out violently when they've been hoist by their own petard. He got you good and you didn't know how to cope. Suck it up, buttercup.
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Callixtus
08/06/17 1:10:26 AM
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ultimate reaver posted...
Conversion therapy is about repression and beating yourself down physchologically till the point that you are in denial about yourself. I mean, that's what it is -now-. As recent or 20 or 30 years it was much more violent and creepy if you actually do any sort of research on the subject.

Either way, it's held as generally ineffectual at best and actively harmful to the psyche at worst by most psychologists, and I feel pretty comfortable listening to them regardless of political affliation

Maybe better methods should be developed then. After all the gender brigade loves to talk about how fluid these things are.
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Dash_Harber
08/06/17 1:12:35 AM
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Callixtus posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
Callixtus posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
No one says it's impossible.

We say it's inhumane, pointless, torture.

No more inhumane then destroying working body parts to satisfy a delusion.

Would seem far more humane to me to keep open the potential for alternatives to coach anomalous individuals into sanity


Ah, so you are either a fundamentalist or a troll. Good to know.

So only fundamentalist or trolls think we shouldnt be encouraging children as young as 6 years old to follow a path upon which they will eventually have their future breasts destroyed or penises eviscerated?

Good to know.


Only a fundamentalist or a troll would call gender dysphoria a delusion and sexual re-assignment surgery 'destroying' their bodies. Oh, and only a troll would so comically miss what we were talking about that they felt the need to bring up 6 year old children even though the discussion of age never came up.

Anyway, good luck with your weird tirade and good luck trying to survive in the 21st century. If you think like that, you are in for a staggering culture shock.
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ultimate reaver
08/06/17 1:14:33 AM
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Callixtus posted...
ultimate reaver posted...
Conversion therapy is about repression and beating yourself down physchologically till the point that you are in denial about yourself. I mean, that's what it is -now-. As recent or 20 or 30 years it was much more violent and creepy if you actually do any sort of research on the subject.

Either way, it's held as generally ineffectual at best and actively harmful to the psyche at worst by most psychologists, and I feel pretty comfortable listening to them regardless of political affliation

Maybe better methods should be developed then. After all the gender brigade loves to talk about how fluid these things are.


I think the things that they are talking about and the things that you are talking about are radically different. Conversion therapy is about building a cloud of denial around yourself, and fluidity in gender is ostensibly about being honest with yourself and who you are internally. You can't really compare the two unless your whole point is that both parties are just lying to themselves, which more says things about you and your beliefs than the people you're referring to.
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Medussa
08/06/17 1:14:45 AM
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TC has lost several accounts to threads like this. there's no reason he should be allowed back.
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Callixtus
08/06/17 1:16:15 AM
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Dash_Harber posted...
Callixtus posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
Callixtus posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
No one says it's impossible.

We say it's inhumane, pointless, torture.

No more inhumane then destroying working body parts to satisfy a delusion.

Would seem far more humane to me to keep open the potential for alternatives to coach anomalous individuals into sanity


Ah, so you are either a fundamentalist or a troll. Good to know.

So only fundamentalist or trolls think we shouldnt be encouraging children as young as 6 years old to follow a path upon which they will eventually have their future breasts destroyed or penises eviscerated?

Good to know.


Only a fundamentalist or a troll would call gender dysphoria a delusion and sexual re-assignment surgery 'destroying' their bodies. Oh, and only a troll would so comically miss what we were talking about that they felt the need to bring up 6 year old children even though the discussion of age never came up.

Anyway, good luck with your weird tirade and good luck trying to survive in the 21st century. If you think like that, you are in for a staggering culture shock.

Believe me, I am quite shaken that this age prefers destroyed, dysfunctional, medical experiment bodies to the natural order of things. A strange culture indeed!
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ColdOne666
08/06/17 1:17:59 AM
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Liherals think that gender and sexuality is fluid but apparently LGBT can't change or not feel how they feel which isn't fuid?

Which is it Liberals, fluid or not fluid?
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Callixtus
08/06/17 1:20:01 AM
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ColdOne666 posted...
Liherals think that gender and sexuality is fluid but apparently LGBT can't change or not feel how they feel which isn't fuid?

Which is it Liberals, fluid or not fluid?

That's all I'm asking
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Sephiroth1288
08/06/17 1:21:00 AM
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Dash_Harber posted...
No one says it's impossible.

Given that it's never actually worked, it's impossible.

Because gender and sexuality isn't fluid.
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moose_knuckle
08/06/17 1:22:35 AM
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*Triggering intensifies*
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thanosibe
08/06/17 1:23:36 AM
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Dash_Harber posted...
Callixtus posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
No one says it's impossible.

We say it's inhumane, pointless, torture.

No more inhumane then destroying working body parts to satisfy a delusion.

Would seem far more humane to me to keep open the potential for alternatives to coach anomalous individuals into sanity


Ah, so you are either a fundamentalist or a troll. Good to know.
I love how shit posting supposed insults is the go to for triggered posters.
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Callixtus
08/06/17 1:24:00 AM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
No one says it's impossible.

Given that it's never actually worked, it's impossible.

Because gender and sexuality isn't fluid.

So the libruls are lying?
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Pastryarchy
08/06/17 1:24:33 AM
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Callixtus posted...
So let me get this straight

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Sephiroth1288
08/06/17 1:24:47 AM
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Callixtus posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
No one says it's impossible.

Given that it's never actually worked, it's impossible.

Because gender and sexuality isn't fluid.

So the libruls are lying?

Yes
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Pogo_Marimo
08/06/17 1:25:53 AM
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Callixtus posted...
ColdOne666 posted...
Liherals think that gender and sexuality is fluid but apparently LGBT can't change or not feel how they feel which isn't fuid?

Which is it Liberals, fluid or not fluid?

That's all I'm asking

How the fuck is anyone going to answer for all Liberals? For starters, sexuality is not fluid as far as I can tell, except under extreme circumstances (Drugs, psychologic reconditioning). So there, entire premise gone.
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Pogo_Marimo
08/06/17 1:27:12 AM
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Callixtus posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
No one says it's impossible.

Given that it's never actually worked, it's impossible.

Because gender and sexuality isn't fluid.

So the libruls are lying?

I have no idea who you are talking about and you should probably ask them. That would be the rational and mature thing.
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Callixtus
08/06/17 1:29:40 AM
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Pogo_Marimo posted...
Callixtus posted...
ColdOne666 posted...
Liherals think that gender and sexuality is fluid but apparently LGBT can't change or not feel how they feel which isn't fuid?

Which is it Liberals, fluid or not fluid?

That's all I'm asking

How the fuck is anyone going to answer for all Liberals? For starters, sexuality is not fluid as far as I can tell, except under extreme circumstances (Drugs, psychologic reconditioning). So there, entire premise gone.

Well all you have to do is go over to Huff Po or Slate and you'll find plenty of Librals saying the opposite.
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Callixtus
08/06/17 1:30:25 AM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
Callixtus posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
No one says it's impossible.

Given that it's never actually worked, it's impossible.

Because gender and sexuality isn't fluid.

So the libruls are lying?

Yes

And no one was surprised
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Darkman124
08/06/17 1:37:20 AM
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i will note that the idea that gender is more fluid than sexual preference is not an intuitive concept

but it's not a wrong concept.
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moose_knuckle
08/06/17 1:37:35 AM
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Pastryarchy posted...
Callixtus posted...
So let me get this straight

rTWDmuc


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Pogo_Marimo
08/06/17 2:07:06 AM
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Callixtus posted...
Pogo_Marimo posted...
Callixtus posted...
ColdOne666 posted...
Liherals think that gender and sexuality is fluid but apparently LGBT can't change or not feel how they feel which isn't fuid?

Which is it Liberals, fluid or not fluid?

That's all I'm asking

How the fuck is anyone going to answer for all Liberals? For starters, sexuality is not fluid as far as I can tell, except under extreme circumstances (Drugs, psychologic reconditioning). So there, entire premise gone.

Well all you have to do is go over to Huff Po or Slate and you'll find plenty of Librals saying the opposite.

Cool, I know the perfect place where you can ask this question then!
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Callixtus
08/06/17 2:57:23 AM
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Pogo_Marimo posted...
Callixtus posted...
Pogo_Marimo posted...
Callixtus posted...
ColdOne666 posted...
Liherals think that gender and sexuality is fluid but apparently LGBT can't change or not feel how they feel which isn't fuid?

Which is it Liberals, fluid or not fluid?

That's all I'm asking

How the fuck is anyone going to answer for all Liberals? For starters, sexuality is not fluid as far as I can tell, except under extreme circumstances (Drugs, psychologic reconditioning). So there, entire premise gone.

Well all you have to do is go over to Huff Po or Slate and you'll find plenty of Librals saying the opposite.

Cool, I know the perfect place where you can ask this question then!

Those aren't discussion boards, grasshopper.
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Kaname_Madoka
08/07/17 8:08:39 PM
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Liherals
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Callixtus
08/08/17 10:23:21 PM
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Kaname_Madoka posted...
Liherals

Fucking Liherals
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