Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 119: This Place is a Dump

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that doesn't look like "a hit list," it looks like... well, a list of key figures to pay attention to. which is basically what the last one literally says is why he's on the list. and the document itself is literally titled "Key Figures."

yeah, it makes sense that you'd say the mayor, vice mayor, and chief of police as "Key Figures" in a rally you're doing and labeling them as such on a document. calling bullshit on that one, sounds more like twitter not actually reading what's there.
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Kenri posted...

I really really doubt this is true but then it is America we're talking about...

I don't know anybody who keeps papers under a seat, where they could potentially slide out and get stepped on, get dirty, etc. That's usually a glovebox kind of thing.

But under the seat is a place people do keep guns.

So I guess even if keeping a gun there is rare, keeping papers there seems even rarer to me.
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Wanglicious posted...

that doesn't look like "a hit list," it looks like... well, a list of key figures to pay attention to. which is basically what the last one literally says is why he's on the list. and the document itself is literally titled "Key Figures."

yeah, it makes sense that you'd say the mayor, vice mayor, and chief of police as "Key Figures" in a rally you're doing and labeling them as such on a document. calling bullshit on that one, sounds more like twitter not actually reading what's there.

So what reason would this be needed for, exactly?
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StealThisSheen posted...

I don't know anybody who keeps papers under a seat, where they could potentially slide out and get stepped on, get dirty, etc. That's usually a glovebox kind of thing.

not if your glovebox is full of other papers

idk man I've been in some dirty ass cars with papers everywhere
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Kenri posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

I don't know anybody who keeps papers under a seat, where they could potentially slide out and get stepped on, get dirty, etc. That's usually a glovebox kind of thing.

not if your glovebox is full of other papers

idk man I've been in some dirty ass cars with papers everywhere

Important papers like title/insurance/etc. that you may need to be able to get to easily? You really think people are going to go "Nah, I have too many other less important papers in my glove box. I'll just toss these on the floor?"

I mean, I don't doubt SOME do, but, uh...
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Kenri posted...

Anyway you don't point a gun at someone unless you're okay with them being dead so the cop still probably deserves to be fired.

Also, this just seems kinda insane.

Should he have kept his gun on him for that long? Absolutely not. But if there's even a chance somebody could be reaching for a weapon, a cop absolutely should point their gun at them until they hold their hands up/whatever. Otherwise, if somebody actually is reaching for a gun, you're now saying them and the cop should have an old-western draw to see who can raise theirs quickest.

It sounds like he held the gun on him for too long and had a better way to deal with it so he could've lowered the gun sooner, but saying a cop shouldn't point a gun at somebody who is reaching for something unknown at all is just silly.
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StealThisSheen posted...

Important papers like title/insurance/etc. that you may need to be able to get to easily? You really think people are going to go "Nah, I have too many other less important papers in my glove box. I'll just toss these on the floor?"

Absolutely, especially insurance. Title maybe less so.
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StealThisSheen posted...

But if there's even a chance somebody could be reaching for a weapon, a cop absolutely should point their gun at them until they hold their hands up/whatever. Otherwise, if somebody actually is reaching for a gun, you're now saying them and the cop should have an old-western draw to see who can raise theirs quickest.

My dude I don't even believe that cops should carry guns, so I guarantee that's not what I'm saying.
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Kenri posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

Important papers like title/insurance/etc. that you may need to be able to get to easily? You really think people are going to go "Nah, I have too many other less important papers in my glove box. I'll just toss these on the floor?"

Absolutely, especially insurance. Title maybe less so.

So you're saying that you know multiple people who just toss their insurance cards somewhere on the floor of their car

I don't believe that for a second.
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Kenri posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

But if there's even a chance somebody could be reaching for a weapon, a cop absolutely should point their gun at them until they hold their hands up/whatever. Otherwise, if somebody actually is reaching for a gun, you're now saying them and the cop should have an old-western draw to see who can raise theirs quickest.

My dude I don't even believe that cops should carry guns, so I guarantee that's not what I'm saying.

Aaah.

So you're basically the left's version of Seph/Corrik/etc.

Got it.
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Nah, you shouldn't keep those papers under the seat. Nor should you expect to be able to reach under there without first telling the cop that it is where you keep your papers (for some reason).


But idk why the cop couldn't just get him to show his hands and exit the vehicle in less than 10 minutes.

This just seems like another sign that tensions are too high right now.
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I mean, keeping those papers under the passenger's seat doesn't even make sense, as it'd be pretty hard to get them from the driver's seat.
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StealThisSheen posted...

So you're saying that you know multiple people who just toss their insurance cards somewhere on the floor of their car

I don't believe that for a second.

I know zero people with a gun anywhere in their car and many, many people with important documents randomly strewn about. Feel free to not believe me.


StealThisSheen posted...

So you're basically the left's version of Seph/Corrik/etc.

well this is rude

especially because other countries have unarmed police so I'm not sure why you're acting like it's a ridiculous idea?
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StealThisSheen posted...

Wanglicious posted...

that doesn't look like "a hit list," it looks like... well, a list of key figures to pay attention to. which is basically what the last one literally says is why he's on the list. and the document itself is literally titled "Key Figures."

yeah, it makes sense that you'd say the mayor, vice mayor, and chief of police as "Key Figures" in a rally you're doing and labeling them as such on a document. calling bullshit on that one, sounds more like twitter not actually reading what's there.

So what reason would this be needed for, exactly?

i haven't seen the document yet but i assume this came from that same 27 page thing, right? the same one where they basically say they don't want to really start fights but are prepared to defend themselves if anything goes violent (and called Stickman more or less a shit for being prone to this)? in it they reference Berkeley directly - in those riots the mayor is the one who told police to stand down. the same happened in Baltimore two years ago. you can see it in other instances too but it's a fairly consistent trend where police are told by those higher up, highest being the mayor, to not do anything. in this situation they end up being forced to defend themselves. chief of police and vice mayor would follow that. they are, as the first picture literally has written, key figures of the city and relevant to whether it stays a rally/protest or devolves into a riot.

this doesn't even make sense as a hit list, none of them are going to be protesting. it's the top three admin who can control the police force. i mean if you say it's insulting to include race/ethnicity in the bios sure, but you're missing what it actually is. by a lot.
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For context, they had spent a long time digging through the car until they found the papers. I don't know where they actually found them but he probably was just putting something back that he pulled out from under the seat during the search. He mentions a screwdriver.

And like I said, I mainly point this case out as an alternative to what Castille's murderer did. Yeah it's paranoid but I'm not saying it's the worst thing if it prevents ANYONE from getting shot.
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Kenri posted...

especially because other countries have unarmed police so I'm not sure why you're acting like it's a ridiculous idea?

"other countries" also don't allow women to drive. "other countries do it too so it's great" isn't the best argument >_>
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I also don't think it's a "hit list," that's why I called it "recon."

I just wanted to point out how disgusting these people are in the way they talk about these key figures.
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Kenri posted...

I know zero people with a gun anywhere in their car and many, many people with important documents randomly strewn about. Feel free to not believe me.

Okay but you need to understand that your anecdotal experience is not representative of the vast majority with regard to paper placement.

Nor is your stance on guns applicable in a world where guns exist and are legal.


I would prefer stricter requirements on gun registration and ownership, sure. But within the framework of the actual world we are actually living in that hasn't happened yet. And so you can't judge a cops actions but your hypothetical standards. If he were in a situation where he could not safely proceed before back up arrived then that's all there is to it.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

Kenri posted...

especially because other countries have unarmed police so I'm not sure why you're acting like it's a ridiculous idea?

"other countries" also don't allow women to drive. "other countries do it too so it's great" isn't the best argument >_>

I mean...isn't one of those countries Britain?

They may refer to Sprite as lemonade, but that doesn't make them third world. Just horrific monsters.
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LapisLazuli posted...

They may refer to Sprite as lemonade,

WHAT?

Vacation canceled Trump. War were declared
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

Kenri posted...

especially because other countries have unarmed police so I'm not sure why you're acting like it's a ridiculous idea?

"other countries" also don't allow women to drive. "other countries do it too so it's great" isn't the best argument >_>

Good point. Disarming police would be a good idea even if no other countries were already doing it, you're right.


Forceful_Dragon posted...

Okay but you need to understand that your anecdotal experience is not representative of the vast majority with regard to paper placement.

Granted but unless anyone has actual stats on this it's all anyone's going off of.


Forceful_Dragon posted...

If he were in a situation where he could not safely proceed before back up arrived then that's all there is to it.

But like... he wasn't... in a situation like that...
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So just to be clear, you want to disarm police even if the current gun climate we live in doesn't change?
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honestly i don't think there's any way to justify what castille's killer did, the cam on that showed a pretty clear case of recklessness and negligence. seemed like an obvious case of manslaughter but he got off. reading the police statement here... doesn't seem like there's anything wrong done?

the biggest issue seems to be a policy one where backup couldn't get there. he's outside the direct county he works in and it's rush hour. ideally he'd be able to ask the local cops for help there. don't know how Cali is but that seems like something that could be fixed by just having a different channel/told to talk to a different one. nine minutes is too long so i assume some changes will be made there to help cut that down, even if it's unofficially telling your guys to not do speeding tickets during rush hour outside your county.
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Jakyl25 posted...

I also don't think it's a "hit list," that's why I called it "recon."

I just wanted to point out how disgusting these people are in the way they talk about these key figures.

ah. okay, that's fair. your take is accurate, the tweet calling it a hit list is all my issue was there as it's a fairly reasonable thing to look for, though dumb to use that kind of language if they're trying to make it a guide for normies or something as everyone just looks at it/them and goes "wow, you guys suck."
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HashtagSEP posted...

So just to be clear, you want to disarm police even if the current gun climate we live in doesn't change?

I think what he's saying is that he thinks it's a necessary step in changing the current gun climate.

For the record, I'm not sure I agree, but it's also very obvious that the police are trigger happy and I'm thinking that perhaps guns should be earned, not given. That is, police start off without a gun until they've undergone months of strict safety and policy training (as in, much stricter than it is now) and have it instilled in them that the gun is not a tool, it is a deadly weapon and a last resort.

I mean, you'd think that's what they're doing now, but the results of the training show hardcore failure in that aspect.
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Wanglicious posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

I also don't think it's a "hit list," that's why I called it "recon."

I just wanted to point out how disgusting these people are in the way they talk about these key figures.

ah. okay, that's fair. your take is accurate, the tweet calling it a hit list is all my issue was there as it's a fairly reasonable thing to look for, though dumb to use that kind of language if they're trying to make it a guide for normies or something as everyone just looks at it/them and goes "wow, you guys suck."

Nah it's a guide FOR the already-initiated. The point is to go to the rally to start to groom "normies" to their side.

It's just that the guide got out
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It's like that line at the bottom of the first pic says "THIS RALLY IS INTENDED TO UNITE THE RIGHT AND EVEN ALT-LITE AND OTHER CUCKS ARE TO BE OUR ALLIES"
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StealThisSheen posted...

Kenri posted...

I really really doubt this is true but then it is America we're talking about...

I don't know anybody who keeps papers under a seat, where they could potentially slide out and get stepped on, get dirty, etc. That's usually a glovebox kind of thing.

But under the seat is a place people do keep guns.

So I guess even if keeping a gun there is rare, keeping papers there seems even rarer to me.

A gun is just as likely to slide around though?



Anyway, if I got a gun held on me for 9 minutes and didn't even have a gun in the car, I'd be suing. I had a gun pulled on me once for about 5 seconds, and the stress was fucking unbelievable, I can't even imagine going 100 times that.
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A gun is smaller and more likely to stay within the lips beneath the seat, though. Though I don't keeps gun beneath the seat so I'm not sure of the reasons one would

I'm just saying it's more likely for a gun to be underneath a passenger seat than important papers for the driver

I'm not saying the gun being there is common

Just that the common driver doesn't just toss their important papers on the floor like Kenri is suggesting is normal, much less intentionally store them underneath the passenger seat

People typically put stuff under car seats to hide them more than they do to access them easily
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HashtagSEP posted...

A gun is smaller and more likely to stay within the lips beneath the seat, though. Though I don't keeps gun beneath the seat so I'm not sure of the reasons one would

I'm just saying it's more likely for a gun to be underneath a passenger seat than important papers for the driver

I'm not saying the gun being there is common

Just that the common driver doesn't just toss their important papers on the floor like Kenri is suggesting is normal, much less intentionally store them underneath the passenger seat

People typically put stuff under car seats to hide them more than they do to access them easily

Uh, sure.

Except that a pile of papers sliding around underneath you is potentially lethal to the papers.

A gun sliding around underneath you is potentially lethal to you.

Like, seriously, this just sounds like an incredibly stupid place to have your gun.
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SupremeZero posted...

HashtagSEP posted...

A gun is smaller and more likely to stay within the lips beneath the seat, though. Though I don't keeps gun beneath the seat so I'm not sure of the reasons one would

I'm just saying it's more likely for a gun to be underneath a passenger seat than important papers for the driver

I'm not saying the gun being there is common

Just that the common driver doesn't just toss their important papers on the floor like Kenri is suggesting is normal, much less intentionally store them underneath the passenger seat

People typically put stuff under car seats to hide them more than they do to access them easily

Uh, sure.

Except that a pile of papers sliding around underneath you is potentially lethal to the papers.

A gun sliding around underneath you is potentially lethal to you.

Like, seriously, this just sounds like an incredibly stupid place to have your gun.

Again, I don't know why people put guns under their car seats. Or drugs. Or anything.

But they do, to hide them.

I'd assume those people aren't the brightest and don't think this out, yes.

And typically it's the passenger seat, so I assume that minimizes risk somewhat? I dunno.
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For what it's worth, apparently enough people do it that states like South Carolina made it legal to do so within the last ten years.

Though I see some people mentioning a "seat holster," too, so maybe that's a thing?
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I have known people with guns under their seats

Yes it's a really dumb idea but I don't blame the cop for reacting in the moment

Nine moments seems excessive to be pointing a machine of death at someone
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Fox has suspended Eric Bolling:

http://thehill.com/media/345471-eric-bolling-suspended-from-fox-amid-lewd-message-allegations
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SupremeZero posted...

Like, seriously, this just sounds like an incredibly stupid place to have your gun.

there are people who "holster" their guns with the rim around sweatpants.
people are stupid.
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Oh my God I'm walking from the lab to the cafeteria on my lunch break and some old lady starts walking right next to me and talking about Donald Trump and some sort of satanic lawyer and I'm just trying to get away
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ninkendo posted...

Oh my God I'm walking from the lab to the cafeteria on my lunch break and some old lady starts walking right next to me and talking about Donald Trump and some sort of satanic lawyer and I'm just trying to get away

Is it Hillary?
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I don't knowwwwww I tried to not listen to her but there was nowhere to run it was a very long hallway
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https://twitter.com/DanScavino/status/893902054267158528

...he's lying about getting a positive response because "he didn't get likes and retweets"? does scavino realize a world outside twitter exists?
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

a world outside twitter exists?

not anymore
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

https://twitter.com/DanScavino/status/893902054267158528

...he's lying about getting a positive response because "he didn't get likes and retweets"? does scavino realize a world outside twitter exists?

If the article was linked on twitter in any way and it didn't get likes or retweets, then yes, there is a point there. Hell, most articles themselves have a like button

Twitter is everywhere. Time to stop yelling at kids on your lawn
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so if taub got positive responses to the article that weren't on twitter, that doesn't "count"?
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The people saying Twitter is everything are worse than the ones saying it means nothing!

Twitter as a service has been on a huge decline in functionality and appeal. It's not going to last much longer, at least in its current form.
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LapisLazuli posted...

The people saying Twitter is everything are worse than the ones saying it means nothing!

Twitter as a service has been on a huge decline in functionality and appeal. It's not going to last much longer, at least in its current form.

Why is that? What's replacing it?
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It's kind of funny how the right says Twitter is too strict and the left says Twitter is too lenient
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TheRock1525 posted...

LapisLazuli posted...

The people saying Twitter is everything are worse than the ones saying it means nothing!

Twitter as a service has been on a huge decline in functionality and appeal. It's not going to last much longer, at least in its current form.

Why is that? What's replacing it?

I don't mean like an actual replacement. Twitter's transformation has been gradual, but it's a shadow of its former self. Random posts of people you don't follow get pushed up, while Twitter now 'decides' what you should be seeing. Less than 25% of what the people I follow post actually shows up on my timeline, the rest require me to manually check the feeds of everyone I follow if I wanna make sure I didn't miss anything. Twitter's active users are constantly falling, while the fake twitter followers and paid bots industry is booming.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

so if taub got positive responses to the article that weren't on twitter, that doesn't "count"?

It certainly makes the existence of said positive responses harder to believe, atleast, if it was linked on Twitter and got NOTHING.

Like, sure, maybe his Mom said it was a great article, but...
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LapisLazuli posted...

The people saying Twitter is everything are worse than the ones saying it means nothing!

Twitter as a service has been on a huge decline in functionality and appeal. It's not going to last much longer, at least in its current form.

Nobody's saying Twitter is everything

But it's a pretty decent indicator.
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Twitter is everything.
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Rock's saying Twitter is everything

GET 'IM!
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