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Transcendentia 08/02/17 1:58:27 AM #101:	Darmik posted... Transcendentia posted... WaterLink posted... Also, another counter to your little "obesity is more prevalent than these diseases" is because MOST KIDS ARE VACCINATED. The ones that do get sick because of non-vacs could have easily been prevented That's impossible to say. We don't have another America where every variable is the same minus the vaccination rates. So how could we know? What's impossible to say? Were infectious diseases more common before or after widespread vaccinations? Were accessibility to proper sanitation and nutrition more common before or after? Without having another America that is the same in every regard but the rate of vaccinations, it's a pointless hypothetical. <cite>Transcendentia posted [p:884031676] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WaterLink posted...</cite> <quote>Also, another counter to your little "obesity is more prevalent than these diseases" is because MOST KIDS ARE VACCINATED. The ones that do get sick because of non-vacs could have easily been prevented</quote> That's impossible to say. We don't have another America where every variable is the same minus the vaccination rates. So how could we know?</quote> What's impossible to say? Were infectious diseases more common before or after widespread vaccinations?</quote> Were accessibility to proper sanitation and nutrition more common before or after? Without having another America that is the same in every regard but the rate of vaccinations, it's a pointless hypothetical.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Transcendentia 08/02/17 2:00:10 AM #102:	The23rdMagus posted... Transcendentia posted... It doesn't have to be conspiratorial. It's the principle of the matter that counts. Personal and parental freedom are more important than the incredibly rare and improbable chance that you'll be affected by someone who was not vaccinated. It's the same principle that governs the freedom to drive even though cars claim far more victims than non-vaccinated people ever will. Which isn't. It's to protect the people for whom vaccines don't work, or who cannot be immunized. Don't want to drive safely? You don't get a license. Don't want to make the schools safe for other children? Your kids don't get to go. It's that simple. Driving kills orders of magnitude more people than non-vaccinated people do. Some would argue driving is not safe. Should we force people to rely on public transportation so that others aren't affected by our inevitable lapses in proper driving? Should we forcibly seize obese children because they're not making the school and the healthcare system as safe and as robust as can be? Should we forcibly seize children that were raised into a religion by religious parents? Since their ideas might spread and affect other children. <cite>Transcendentia posted [p:884031724] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote><cite>The23rdMagus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>It doesn't have to be conspiratorial. It's the principle of the matter that counts. Personal and parental freedom are more important than the incredibly rare and improbable chance that you'll be affected by someone who was not vaccinated. It's the same principle that governs the freedom to drive even though cars claim far more victims than non-vaccinated people ever will. </quote> Which isn't. It's to protect the people for whom vaccines don't work, or who cannot be immunized. Don't want to drive safely? You don't get a license. Don't want to make the schools safe for other children? Your kids don't get to go. It's that simple.</quote> Driving kills orders of magnitude more people than non-vaccinated people do. Some would argue driving is not safe. Should we force people to rely on public transportation so that others aren't affected by our inevitable lapses in proper driving? Should we forcibly seize obese children because they're not making the school and the healthcare system as safe and as robust as can be? Should we forcibly seize children that were raised into a religion by religious parents? Since their ideas might spread and affect other children.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/02/17 2:00:24 AM #103:	Transcendentia posted... Were accessibility to proper sanitation and nutrition more common before or after? Without having another America that is the same in every regard but the rate of vaccinations, it's a pointless hypothetical. So vaccinations aren't important if you have enough nutrition and sanitation? Also America can dictate that foreigners need to be vaccinated before being allowed to enter the country but they can't dictate vaccination requirements for public schools? Hmm. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:884031732] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>Were accessibility to proper sanitation and nutrition more common before or after? Without having another America that is the same in every regard but the rate of vaccinations, it's a pointless hypothetical.</quote> So vaccinations aren't important if you have enough nutrition and sanitation? Also America can dictate that foreigners need to be vaccinated before being allowed to enter the country but they can't dictate vaccination requirements for public schools? Hmm.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The23rdMagus 08/02/17 2:01:04 AM #104:	Transcendentia posted... The23rdMagus posted... Transcendentia posted... WaterLink posted... Also, another counter to your little "obesity is more prevalent than these diseases" is because MOST KIDS ARE VACCINATED. The ones that do get sick because of non-vacs could have easily been prevented That's impossible to say. We don't have another America where every variable is the same minus the vaccination rates. So how could we know? Here, have a microcosm. https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/06/anti-vaccine-groups-step-up-work-as-minnesota-measles-outbreak-rages/ This is not the same thing. This is a case of immigrants not being properly vetted and treated prior to entry. Immigration should carry with it a requirement of being up to date on vaccines, simply because people who were born and raised elsewhere (IE third world countries like Somalia) are far more likely to carry dangerous and virulent strains. That's not comparable to some random schmuck who doesn't want to vaccinate their kid who was already born and raised here. Oh? Please share this information you have about improper vetting. If these children were immunized, the chances of there being an outbreak of measles would be close to zero. This community was being actively discouraged from vaccinating. Observe the results. --- ~Drewnami: The Drew abides.~ Gonads are useful for their purpose, but they are no substitute for brains. -Paul Harvey <cite>The23rdMagus posted [p:884031759] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The23rdMagus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WaterLink posted...</cite> <quote>Also, another counter to your little "obesity is more prevalent than these diseases" is because MOST KIDS ARE VACCINATED. The ones that do get sick because of non-vacs could have easily been prevented</quote> That's impossible to say. We don't have another America where every variable is the same minus the vaccination rates. So how could we know?</quote> Here, have a microcosm. https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/06/anti-vaccine-groups-step-up-work-as-minnesota-measles-outbreak-rages/</quote> This is not the same thing. This is a case of immigrants not being properly vetted and treated prior to entry. Immigration should carry with it a requirement of being up to date on vaccines, simply because people who were born and raised elsewhere (IE third world countries like Somalia) are far more likely to carry dangerous and virulent strains. That's not comparable to some random schmuck who doesn't want to vaccinate their kid who was already born and raised here.</quote> Oh? Please share this information you have about improper vetting. If these children were immunized, the chances of there being an outbreak of measles would be close to zero. This community was being actively discouraged from vaccinating. Observe the results.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WaterLink 08/02/17 2:01:19 AM #105:	Transcendentia posted... This is not the same thing. This is a case of immigrants not being properly vetted and treated prior to entry. Immigration should carry with it a requirement of being up to date on vaccines, simply because people who were born and raised elsewhere (IE third world countries like Somalia) are far more likely to carry dangerous and virulent strains. literally from this source In the past, the Somali community had some of the highest vaccination rates in the state. Then they stopped because of false information fear mongering. and then, yeah. --- No one sings like you anymore <cite>WaterLink posted [p:884031769] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>This is not the same thing. This is a case of immigrants not being properly vetted and treated prior to entry. Immigration should carry with it a requirement of being up to date on vaccines, simply because people who were born and raised elsewhere (IE third world countries like Somalia) are far more likely to carry dangerous and virulent strains. </quote> literally from this source <quote>In the past, the Somali community had some of the highest vaccination rates in the state.</quote> Then they stopped because of false information fear mongering. and then, yeah.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 08/02/17 2:02:34 AM #106:	Transcendentia posted... Darmik posted... Transcendentia posted... WaterLink posted... Also, another counter to your little "obesity is more prevalent than these diseases" is because MOST KIDS ARE VACCINATED. The ones that do get sick because of non-vacs could have easily been prevented That's impossible to say. We don't have another America where every variable is the same minus the vaccination rates. So how could we know? What's impossible to say? Were infectious diseases more common before or after widespread vaccinations? Were accessibility to proper sanitation and nutrition more common before or after? Without having another America that is the same in every regard but the rate of vaccinations, it's a pointless hypothetical. India introduced widespread vaccines not too long ago and they pretty much irradicated polio in poor, shit hole areas in that time without making many advances in sanitation. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2.1 <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:884031814] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>WaterLink posted...</cite> <quote> Also, another counter to your little "obesity is more prevalent than these diseases" is because MOST KIDS ARE VACCINATED. The ones that do get sick because of non-vacs could have easily been prevented </quote> That's impossible to say. We don't have another America where every variable is the same minus the vaccination rates. So how could we know? </quote> What's impossible to say? Were infectious diseases more common before or after widespread vaccinations?</quote> Were accessibility to proper sanitation and nutrition more common before or after? Without having another America that is the same in every regard but the rate of vaccinations, it's a pointless hypothetical.</quote> India introduced widespread vaccines not too long ago and they pretty much irradicated polio in poor, shit hole areas in that time without making many advances in sanitation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/02/17 2:03:08 AM #107:	Transcendentia posted... Driving kills orders of magnitude more people than non-vaccinated people do. Some would argue driving is not safe. Should we force people to rely on public transportation so that others aren't affected by our inevitable lapses in proper driving? Should we forcibly seize obese children because they're not making the school and the healthcare system as safe and as robust as can be? Should we forcibly seize children that were raised into a religion by religious parents? Since their ideas might spread and affect other children. It's weird how you're using these extreme examples for things that already have measures and controls in place to avoid harmful and deadly situations as best as possible. But yet vaccinations aren't important and the Government doesn't have to do anything about them? --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:884031841] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>Driving kills orders of magnitude more people than non-vaccinated people do. Some would argue driving is not safe. Should we force people to rely on public transportation so that others aren't affected by our inevitable lapses in proper driving? Should we forcibly seize obese children because they're not making the school and the healthcare system as safe and as robust as can be? Should we forcibly seize children that were raised into a religion by religious parents? Since their ideas might spread and affect other children.</quote> It's weird how you're using these extreme examples for things that already have measures and controls in place to avoid harmful and deadly situations as best as possible. But yet vaccinations aren't important and the Government doesn't have to do anything about them?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Transcendentia 08/02/17 2:03:58 AM #108:	Darmik posted... Transcendentia posted... Were accessibility to proper sanitation and nutrition more common before or after? Without having another America that is the same in every regard but the rate of vaccinations, it's a pointless hypothetical. So vaccinations aren't important if you have enough nutrition and sanitation? Also America can dictate that foreigners need to be vaccinated before being allowed to enter the country but they can't dictate vaccination requirements for public schools? Hmm. Are they as important? Did nutrition and sanitation have anything to do with anything? And yes, if we are accepting immigrants from third world countries where proper sanitation, nutrition, and living conditions were never the norm we are accepting far more risk of infectious diseases than anything that is homegrown. This is not controversial or a secret. Immigrants need to be vetted more strictly, especially if they tend to live in communes where herd immunity cannot function. Some random non-vaccinated kid in a suburb won't have an affect, whereas a commune of non-vaccinated people could. But resolving the latter doesn't require a government stripping away parental or individual rights. <cite>Transcendentia posted [p:884031879] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>Were accessibility to proper sanitation and nutrition more common before or after? Without having another America that is the same in every regard but the rate of vaccinations, it's a pointless hypothetical.</quote> So vaccinations aren't important if you have enough nutrition and sanitation? Also America can dictate that foreigners need to be vaccinated before being allowed to enter the country but they can't dictate vaccination requirements for public schools? Hmm.</quote> Are they as important? Did nutrition and sanitation have anything to do with anything? And yes, if we are accepting immigrants from third world countries where proper sanitation, nutrition, and living conditions were never the norm we are accepting far more risk of infectious diseases than anything that is homegrown. This is not controversial or a secret. Immigrants need to be vetted more strictly, especially if they tend to live in communes where herd immunity cannot function. Some random non-vaccinated kid in a suburb won't have an affect, whereas a commune of non-vaccinated people could. But resolving the latter doesn't require a government stripping away parental or individual rights.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/02/17 2:05:05 AM #109:	Transcendentia posted... Some random non-vaccinated kid in a suburb won't have an affect, whereas a commune of non-vaccinated people could. But resolving the latter doesn't require a government stripping away parental or individual rights. Since when is it impossible for kids in suburbs to catch an infectious disease? How about the other way around. Should these suburban kids be forced to get vaccinated before being allowed to travel overseas? --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:884031909] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>Some random non-vaccinated kid in a suburb won't have an affect, whereas a commune of non-vaccinated people could. But resolving the latter doesn't require a government stripping away parental or individual rights.</quote> Since when is it impossible for kids in suburbs to catch an infectious disease? How about the other way around. Should these suburban kids be forced to get vaccinated before being allowed to travel overseas?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The23rdMagus 08/02/17 2:05:16 AM #110:	Transcendentia posted... Are they as important? Did nutrition and sanitation have anything to do with anything? Not with measles or polio, no. Maybe the bubonic plague. Transcendentia posted... And yes, if we are accepting immigrants from third world countries where proper sanitation, nutrition, and living conditions were never the norm we are accepting far more risk of infectious diseases than anything that is homegrown. This is not controversial or a secret. Immigrants need to be vetted more strictly, especially if they tend to live in communes where herd immunity cannot function. Some random non-vaccinated kid in a suburb won't have an affect, whereas a commune of non-vaccinated people could. But resolving the latter doesn't require a government stripping away parental or individual rights. I invite you to read the article again. --- ~Drewnami: The Drew abides.~ Gonads are useful for their purpose, but they are no substitute for brains. -Paul Harvey <cite>The23rdMagus posted [p:884031919] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>Are they as important? Did nutrition and sanitation have anything to do with anything? </quote> Not with measles or polio, no. Maybe the bubonic plague. <cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>And yes, if we are accepting immigrants from third world countries where proper sanitation, nutrition, and living conditions were never the norm we are accepting far more risk of infectious diseases than anything that is homegrown. This is not controversial or a secret. Immigrants need to be vetted more strictly, especially if they tend to live in communes where herd immunity cannot function. Some random non-vaccinated kid in a suburb won't have an affect, whereas a commune of non-vaccinated people could. But resolving the latter doesn't require a government stripping away parental or individual rights.</quote> I invite you to read the article again.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Transcendentia 08/02/17 2:05:37 AM #111:	The23rdMagus posted... Transcendentia posted... The23rdMagus posted... Transcendentia posted... WaterLink posted... Also, another counter to your little "obesity is more prevalent than these diseases" is because MOST KIDS ARE VACCINATED. The ones that do get sick because of non-vacs could have easily been prevented That's impossible to say. We don't have another America where every variable is the same minus the vaccination rates. So how could we know? Here, have a microcosm. https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/06/anti-vaccine-groups-step-up-work-as-minnesota-measles-outbreak-rages/ This is not the same thing. This is a case of immigrants not being properly vetted and treated prior to entry. Immigration should carry with it a requirement of being up to date on vaccines, simply because people who were born and raised elsewhere (IE third world countries like Somalia) are far more likely to carry dangerous and virulent strains. That's not comparable to some random schmuck who doesn't want to vaccinate their kid who was already born and raised here. Oh? Please share this information you have about improper vetting. If these children were immunized, the chances of there being an outbreak of measles would be close to zero. This community was being actively discouraged from vaccinating. Observe the results. That's not the same as random people not vaccinating. This was a commune, where people from another country were brainwashed. Huge difference. We could've just as easily avoided this if we properly vetted immigrants and taken in less people who were from awful parts of the world prior to making sure they were healthy and sound of character. shrug <cite>Transcendentia posted [p:884031929] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote><cite>The23rdMagus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The23rdMagus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WaterLink posted...</cite> <quote>Also, another counter to your little "obesity is more prevalent than these diseases" is because MOST KIDS ARE VACCINATED. The ones that do get sick because of non-vacs could have easily been prevented</quote> That's impossible to say. We don't have another America where every variable is the same minus the vaccination rates. So how could we know?</quote> Here, have a microcosm. https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/06/anti-vaccine-groups-step-up-work-as-minnesota-measles-outbreak-rages/</quote> This is not the same thing. This is a case of immigrants not being properly vetted and treated prior to entry. Immigration should carry with it a requirement of being up to date on vaccines, simply because people who were born and raised elsewhere (IE third world countries like Somalia) are far more likely to carry dangerous and virulent strains. That's not comparable to some random schmuck who doesn't want to vaccinate their kid who was already born and raised here.</quote> Oh? Please share this information you have about improper vetting. If these children were immunized, the chances of there being an outbreak of measles would be close to zero. This community was being actively discouraged from vaccinating. Observe the results.</quote> That's not the same as random people not vaccinating. This was a commune, where people from another country were brainwashed. Huge difference. We could've just as easily avoided this if we properly vetted immigrants and taken in less people who were from awful parts of the world prior to making sure they were healthy and sound of character. shrug</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WaterLink 08/02/17 2:05:55 AM #112:	Never understood anti-vac logic. Not only has that autism thing been debunked, but for this hypothetical I'll just assume it IS true. So getting vacced gives you a higher chance of autism. So you'll deny the kid the vac so he'll get a higher chance of getting polio instead of autism? --- No one sings like you anymore <cite>WaterLink posted [p:884031939] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote>Never understood anti-vac logic. Not only has that autism thing been debunked, but for this hypothetical I'll just assume it IS true. So getting vacced gives you a higher chance of autism. So you'll deny the kid the vac so he'll get a higher chance of getting polio instead of autism?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Transcendentia 08/02/17 2:06:04 AM #113:	Darmik posted... Transcendentia posted... Some random non-vaccinated kid in a suburb won't have an affect, whereas a commune of non-vaccinated people could. But resolving the latter doesn't require a government stripping away parental or individual rights. Since when is it impossible for kids in suburbs to catch an infectious disease? Anything is possible, but is it as likely as kids in a commune of brainwashed immigrants catching an infectious disease? <cite>Transcendentia posted [p:884031944] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>Some random non-vaccinated kid in a suburb won't have an affect, whereas a commune of non-vaccinated people could. But resolving the latter doesn't require a government stripping away parental or individual rights.</quote> Since when is it impossible for kids in suburbs to catch an infectious disease?</quote> Anything is possible, but is it as likely as kids in a commune of brainwashed immigrants catching an infectious disease?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The23rdMagus 08/02/17 2:06:27 AM #114:	Transcendentia posted... The23rdMagus posted... Transcendentia posted... The23rdMagus posted... Transcendentia posted... WaterLink posted... Also, another counter to your little "obesity is more prevalent than these diseases" is because MOST KIDS ARE VACCINATED. The ones that do get sick because of non-vacs could have easily been prevented That's impossible to say. We don't have another America where every variable is the same minus the vaccination rates. So how could we know? Here, have a microcosm. https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/06/anti-vaccine-groups-step-up-work-as-minnesota-measles-outbreak-rages/ This is not the same thing. This is a case of immigrants not being properly vetted and treated prior to entry. Immigration should carry with it a requirement of being up to date on vaccines, simply because people who were born and raised elsewhere (IE third world countries like Somalia) are far more likely to carry dangerous and virulent strains. That's not comparable to some random schmuck who doesn't want to vaccinate their kid who was already born and raised here. Oh? Please share this information you have about improper vetting. If these children were immunized, the chances of there being an outbreak of measles would be close to zero. This community was being actively discouraged from vaccinating. Observe the results. That's not the same as random people not vaccinating. This was a commune, where people from another country were brainwashed. Huge difference. We could've just as easily avoided this if we properly vetted immigrants and taken in less people who were from awful parts of the world prior to making sure they were healthy and sound of character. shrug If you wanted an America where everything was the same, minus vaccination, there you are. They had a high rate of immunization until it was taken away. --- ~Drewnami: The Drew abides.~ Gonads are useful for their purpose, but they are no substitute for brains. -Paul Harvey <cite>The23rdMagus posted [p:884031950] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The23rdMagus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The23rdMagus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WaterLink posted...</cite> <quote>Also, another counter to your little "obesity is more prevalent than these diseases" is because MOST KIDS ARE VACCINATED. The ones that do get sick because of non-vacs could have easily been prevented</quote> That's impossible to say. We don't have another America where every variable is the same minus the vaccination rates. So how could we know?</quote> Here, have a microcosm. https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/06/anti-vaccine-groups-step-up-work-as-minnesota-measles-outbreak-rages/</quote> This is not the same thing. This is a case of immigrants not being properly vetted and treated prior to entry. Immigration should carry with it a requirement of being up to date on vaccines, simply because people who were born and raised elsewhere (IE third world countries like Somalia) are far more likely to carry dangerous and virulent strains. That's not comparable to some random schmuck who doesn't want to vaccinate their kid who was already born and raised here.</quote> Oh? Please share this information you have about improper vetting. If these children were immunized, the chances of there being an outbreak of measles would be close to zero. This community was being actively discouraged from vaccinating. Observe the results.</quote> That's not the same as random people not vaccinating. This was a commune, where people from another country were brainwashed. Huge difference. We could've just as easily avoided this if we properly vetted immigrants and taken in less people who were from awful parts of the world prior to making sure they were healthy and sound of character. shrug</quote> If you wanted an America where everything was the same, minus vaccination, there you are. They had a high rate of immunization until it was taken away.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Transcendentia 08/02/17 2:06:56 AM #115:	Darmik posted... How about the other way around. Should these suburban kids be forced to get vaccinated before being allowed to travel overseas? Yes, because going abroad isn't something you need to do. And if you're going to do it for pleasure, you need to make sure you don't bring anything back. <cite>Transcendentia posted [p:884031966] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>How about the other way around. Should these suburban kids be forced to get vaccinated before being allowed to travel overseas? </quote> Yes, because going abroad isn't something you need to do. And if you're going to do it for pleasure, you need to make sure you don't bring anything back.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Transcendentia 08/02/17 2:07:32 AM #116:	The23rdMagus posted... If you wanted an America where everything was the same, minus vaccination, there you are. They had a high rate of immunization until it was taken away. Why are you still comparing a commune of brainwashed immigrants from Somalia...to random Americans who are non-vaccinated yet an irrelevant anomaly inside of a herd full of herd immunity? <cite>Transcendentia posted [p:884031979] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote><cite>The23rdMagus posted...</cite> <quote>If you wanted an America where everything was the same, minus vaccination, there you are. They had a high rate of immunization until it was taken away. </quote> Why are you still comparing a commune of brainwashed immigrants from Somalia...to random Americans who are non-vaccinated yet an irrelevant anomaly inside of a herd full of herd immunity?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The23rdMagus 08/02/17 2:07:43 AM #117:	Transcendentia posted... Darmik posted... How about the other way around. Should these suburban kids be forced to get vaccinated before being allowed to travel overseas? Yes, because going abroad isn't something you need to do. And if you're going to do it for pleasure, you need to make sure you don't bring anything back. And if your kids are going to be around other kids in a classroom, you need to make sure they don't spread anything. --- ~Drewnami: The Drew abides.~ Gonads are useful for their purpose, but they are no substitute for brains. -Paul Harvey <cite>The23rdMagus posted [p:884031987] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>How about the other way around. Should these suburban kids be forced to get vaccinated before being allowed to travel overseas? </quote> Yes, because going abroad isn't something you need to do. And if you're going to do it for pleasure, you need to make sure you don't bring anything back.</quote> And if your kids are going to be around other kids in a classroom, you need to make sure they don't spread anything.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The23rdMagus 08/02/17 2:08:22 AM #118:	Transcendentia posted... The23rdMagus posted... If you wanted an America where everything was the same, minus vaccination, there you are. They had a high rate of immunization until it was taken away. Why are you still comparing a commune of brainwashed immigrants from Somalia...to random Americans who are non-vaccinated yet an irrelevant anomaly inside of a herd full of herd immunity? Because that is the future if this trend continues. --- ~Drewnami: The Drew abides.~ Gonads are useful for their purpose, but they are no substitute for brains. -Paul Harvey <cite>The23rdMagus posted [p:884032005] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The23rdMagus posted...</cite> <quote>If you wanted an America where everything was the same, minus vaccination, there you are. They had a high rate of immunization until it was taken away. </quote> Why are you still comparing a commune of brainwashed immigrants from Somalia...to random Americans who are non-vaccinated yet an irrelevant anomaly inside of a herd full of herd immunity?</quote> Because that is the future if this trend continues.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crazyman93 08/02/17 2:09:26 AM #119:	DrizztLink posted... It's like how the federal government can't force a state to have a drinking age, but you lose highway funding if you lower it. Yeah about that, thanks to the 9th Circuit Court, there's a precedent to say the US Government can't do this. Unless the Supreme Court Upholds Trump's ban on giving money to sanctuary cities. --- let's lubricate friction material! ~nickels, Cars & Trucks <cite>Crazyman93 posted [p:884032026] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote><cite>DrizztLink posted...</cite> <quote>It's like how the federal government can't force a state to have a drinking age, but you lose highway funding if you lower it. </quote> Yeah about that, thanks to the 9th Circuit Court, there's a precedent to say the US Government can't do this. Unless the Supreme Court Upholds Trump's ban on giving money to sanctuary cities.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Schwarber 08/02/17 2:10:21 AM #120:	He's doing his damndest to derail this topic --- http://i.imgur.com/iQXgYOx.gif http://i.imgur.com/l3frhSF.gif http://i.imgur.com/HM1Hjby.gif https://i.imgur.com/bvsFH0H.jpg - drawn by Yaridovich <cite>Schwarber posted [p:884032052] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote>He's doing his damndest to derail this topic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/02/17 2:11:20 AM #121:	Transcendentia posted... Darmik posted... How about the other way around. Should these suburban kids be forced to get vaccinated before being allowed to travel overseas? Yes, because going abroad isn't something you need to do. And if you're going to do it for pleasure, you need to make sure you don't bring anything back. So what you're saying is that it's okay for the Government to step in at times to ensure that its citizens are properly immunized to stop the spread of infectious disease by placing down blocks and requirements before allowing you to do stuff? --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:884032086] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>How about the other way around. Should these suburban kids be forced to get vaccinated before being allowed to travel overseas? </quote> Yes, because going abroad isn't something you need to do. And if you're going to do it for pleasure, you need to make sure you don't bring anything back.</quote> So what you're saying is that it's okay for the Government to step in at times to ensure that its citizens are properly immunized to stop the spread of infectious disease by placing down blocks and requirements before allowing you to do stuff?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Transcendentia 08/02/17 2:13:00 AM #122:	Darmik posted... Transcendentia posted... Darmik posted... How about the other way around. Should these suburban kids be forced to get vaccinated before being allowed to travel overseas? Yes, because going abroad isn't something you need to do. And if you're going to do it for pleasure, you need to make sure you don't bring anything back. So what you're saying is that it's okay for the Government to step in at times to ensure that its citizens are properly immunized to stop the spread of infectious disease by placing down blocks and requirements before allowing you to do stuff? Are you saying that you'd agree that a government needs to vet people entering the country, so that they're not bringing in dangerous ideals and diseases? <cite>Transcendentia posted [p:884032126] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>How about the other way around. Should these suburban kids be forced to get vaccinated before being allowed to travel overseas? </quote> Yes, because going abroad isn't something you need to do. And if you're going to do it for pleasure, you need to make sure you don't bring anything back.</quote> So what you're saying is that it's okay for the Government to step in at times to ensure that its citizens are properly immunized to stop the spread of infectious disease by placing down blocks and requirements before allowing you to do stuff?</quote> Are you saying that you'd agree that a government needs to vet people entering the country, so that they're not bringing in dangerous ideals and diseases?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/02/17 2:14:09 AM #123:	Transcendentia posted... Are you saying that you'd agree that a government needs to vet people entering the country, so that they're not bringing in dangerous ideals and diseases? Not sure how they could vet ideals but if they can measure diseases then yeah of course. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:884032151] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>Are you saying that you'd agree that a government needs to vet people entering the country, so that they're not bringing in dangerous ideals and diseases?</quote> Not sure how they could vet ideals but if they can measure diseases then yeah of course.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The23rdMagus 08/02/17 2:14:42 AM #124:	Darmik posted... Transcendentia posted... Are you saying that you'd agree that a government needs to vet people entering the country, so that they're not bringing in dangerous ideals and diseases? Not sure how they could vet ideals but if they can measure diseases then yeah of course. Yep. Prevent against communicable disease, both foreign and domestic. --- ~Drewnami: The Drew abides.~ Gonads are useful for their purpose, but they are no substitute for brains. -Paul Harvey <cite>The23rdMagus posted [p:884032173] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>Are you saying that you'd agree that a government needs to vet people entering the country, so that they're not bringing in dangerous ideals and diseases?</quote> Not sure how they could vet ideals but if they can measure diseases then yeah of course.</quote> Yep. Prevent against communicable disease, both foreign and domestic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Transcendentia 08/02/17 2:16:27 AM #125:	Darmik posted... Transcendentia posted... Are you saying that you'd agree that a government needs to vet people entering the country, so that they're not bringing in dangerous ideals and diseases? Not sure how they could vet ideals but if they can measure diseases then yeah of course. Great! Then we're in agreement that one of the legitimate scopes and purposes of a government is to vet immigrants for the purpose of national security. Can you explain how some random suburban kid matters in this equation? Note the incredibly small number of preventable outbreaks in America, and how there are actually far more damning preventable things like car accidents and obesity. Things which you probably wouldn't want the government to control more than it already does, right? Or do you think that the government should seize obese children and strip the parents of their parental rights for child abuse? Should the government ban driving and force everyone to use public transportation so that our driving habits don't affect and endanger others on the road? Should the government seize children who were indoctrinated into potentially harmful religions or ideologies? <cite>Transcendentia posted [p:884032224] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>Are you saying that you'd agree that a government needs to vet people entering the country, so that they're not bringing in dangerous ideals and diseases?</quote> Not sure how they could vet ideals but if they can measure diseases then yeah of course.</quote> Great! Then we're in agreement that one of the legitimate scopes and purposes of a government is to vet immigrants for the purpose of national security. Can you explain how some random suburban kid matters in this equation? Note the incredibly small number of preventable outbreaks in America, and how there are actually far more damning preventable things like car accidents and obesity. Things which you probably wouldn't want the government to control more than it already does, right? Or do you think that the government should seize obese children and strip the parents of their parental rights for child abuse? Should the government ban driving and force everyone to use public transportation so that our driving habits don't affect and endanger others on the road? Should the government seize children who were indoctrinated into potentially harmful religions or ideologies?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Transcendentia 08/02/17 2:17:26 AM #126:	The23rdMagus posted... Darmik posted... Transcendentia posted... Are you saying that you'd agree that a government needs to vet people entering the country, so that they're not bringing in dangerous ideals and diseases? Not sure how they could vet ideals but if they can measure diseases then yeah of course. Yep. Prevent against communicable disease, both foreign and domestic. So you'd be okay with giving the government the power to come up to you, at any time and for any reason, and to inject you with whatever they want? All because "this is good for you, just trust us" and that alone? <cite>Transcendentia posted [p:884032248] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote><cite>The23rdMagus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>Are you saying that you'd agree that a government needs to vet people entering the country, so that they're not bringing in dangerous ideals and diseases?</quote> Not sure how they could vet ideals but if they can measure diseases then yeah of course.</quote> Yep. Prevent against communicable disease, both foreign and domestic.</quote> So you'd be okay with giving the government the power to come up to you, at any time and for any reason, and to inject you with whatever they want? All because "this is good for you, just trust us" and that alone?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The23rdMagus 08/02/17 2:19:18 AM #127:	Transcendentia posted... The23rdMagus posted... Darmik posted... Transcendentia posted... Are you saying that you'd agree that a government needs to vet people entering the country, so that they're not bringing in dangerous ideals and diseases? Not sure how they could vet ideals but if they can measure diseases then yeah of course. Yep. Prevent against communicable disease, both foreign and domestic. So you'd be okay with giving the government the power to come up to you, at any time and for any reason, and to inject you with whatever they want? All because "this is good for you, just trust us" and that alone? Because that can completely happen out of the blue without discussion and debate by our elected representatives, and without any accompanying information being given to the citizenry. What country do you live in? --- ~Drewnami: The Drew abides.~ Gonads are useful for their purpose, but they are no substitute for brains. -Paul Harvey <cite>The23rdMagus posted [p:884032308] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The23rdMagus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>Are you saying that you'd agree that a government needs to vet people entering the country, so that they're not bringing in dangerous ideals and diseases?</quote> Not sure how they could vet ideals but if they can measure diseases then yeah of course.</quote> Yep. Prevent against communicable disease, both foreign and domestic.</quote> So you'd be okay with giving the government the power to come up to you, at any time and for any reason, and to inject you with whatever they want? All because "this is good for you, just trust us" and that alone?</quote> Because that can completely happen out of the blue without discussion and debate by our elected representatives, and without any accompanying information being given to the citizenry. What country do you live in?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Transcendentia 08/02/17 2:21:29 AM #128:	The23rdMagus posted... Transcendentia posted... The23rdMagus posted... Darmik posted... Transcendentia posted... Are you saying that you'd agree that a government needs to vet people entering the country, so that they're not bringing in dangerous ideals and diseases? Not sure how they could vet ideals but if they can measure diseases then yeah of course. Yep. Prevent against communicable disease, both foreign and domestic. So you'd be okay with giving the government the power to come up to you, at any time and for any reason, and to inject you with whatever they want? All because "this is good for you, just trust us" and that alone? Because that can completely happen out of the blue without discussion and debate by our elected representatives, and without any accompanying information being given to the citizenry. What country do you live in? Wait a second, so now you're interested in discussion and debate? Seemed like it was either "agree with TC or fuck off" not yet an hour ago <cite>Transcendentia posted [p:884032371] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote><cite>The23rdMagus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The23rdMagus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>Are you saying that you'd agree that a government needs to vet people entering the country, so that they're not bringing in dangerous ideals and diseases?</quote> Not sure how they could vet ideals but if they can measure diseases then yeah of course.</quote> Yep. Prevent against communicable disease, both foreign and domestic.</quote> So you'd be okay with giving the government the power to come up to you, at any time and for any reason, and to inject you with whatever they want? All because "this is good for you, just trust us" and that alone?</quote> Because that can completely happen out of the blue without discussion and debate by our elected representatives, and without any accompanying information being given to the citizenry. What country do you live in?</quote> Wait a second, so now you're interested in discussion and debate? Seemed like it was either "agree with TC or fuck off" not yet an hour ago</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
--kresnik-- 08/02/17 2:22:05 AM #129:	100% wrong. More diseases come from undocumented immigrants than from these cases. /topic --- Trump 2020 <cite>--kresnik-- posted [p:884032390] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote>100% wrong. More diseases come from undocumented immigrants than from these cases. /topic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/02/17 2:22:17 AM #130:	Transcendentia posted... Great! Then we're in agreement that one of the legitimate scopes and purposes of a government is to vet immigrants for the purpose of national security. Yes. This is why people with criminal records are often banned from travelling to countries. I know you're trying to make this into a refugee thing but we're not talking about innocents being unfairly grouped in with others because of their background or nationality. We're talking about people refusing to vaccinate children or themselves without a health reason. There's no innocent. guilty or grey area here. Transcendentia posted... Can you explain how some random suburban kid matters in this equation? Note the incredibly small number of preventable outbreaks in America, and how there are actually far more damning preventable things like car accidents and obesity. Things which you probably wouldn't want the government to control more than it already does, right? Because everyone matters in this situation. The more people who are vaccinated the more effective it is. There are constant measures and reviews to making driving safe and to combat obesity. I live in Australia and both of those are taken very seriously as well. In my short life I've seen preventative and stricter measures put in place to combat car accidents and childhood obesity. I listed one as an example earlier. Vaccinating children is no different in my eyes. Follow the rules like everyone else has to. Transcendentia posted... Or do you think that the government should seize obese children and strip the parents of their parental rights for child abuse? Should the government ban driving and force everyone to use public transportation so that our driving habits don't affect and endanger others on the road? Should the government seize children who were indoctrinated into potentially harmful religions or ideologies? No because those are not the only ways to improve those situations. I agree with increasing requirements for getting a drivers license if it's lax. I agree with hard measures being taken on drivers who disobey the rules. I agree with schools not selling junk food in the cafeteria and I agree with schools designating a snack break for healthy food only. These are different situations with their own ways to combat their negative effects. Making vaccinations mandatory for enrolled students is a way to ensure as many people are vaccinated as possible. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:884032394] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>Great! Then we're in agreement that one of the legitimate scopes and purposes of a government is to vet immigrants for the purpose of national security.</quote> Yes. This is why people with criminal records are often banned from travelling to countries. I know you're trying to make this into a refugee thing but we're not talking about innocents being unfairly grouped in with others because of their background or nationality. We're talking about people refusing to vaccinate children or themselves without a health reason. There's no innocent. guilty or grey area here. <cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>Can you explain how some random suburban kid matters in this equation? Note the incredibly small number of preventable outbreaks in America, and how there are actually far more damning preventable things like car accidents and obesity. Things which you probably wouldn't want the government to control more than it already does, right?</quote> Because everyone matters in this situation. The more people who are vaccinated the more effective it is. There are constant measures and reviews to making driving safe and to combat obesity. I live in Australia and both of those are taken very seriously as well. In my short life I've seen preventative and stricter measures put in place to combat car accidents and childhood obesity. I listed one as an example earlier. Vaccinating children is no different in my eyes. Follow the rules like everyone else has to. <cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>Or do you think that the government should seize obese children and strip the parents of their parental rights for child abuse? Should the government ban driving and force everyone to use public transportation so that our driving habits don't affect and endanger others on the road? Should the government seize children who were indoctrinated into potentially harmful religions or ideologies?</quote> No because those are not the only ways to improve those situations. I agree with increasing requirements for getting a drivers license if it's lax. I agree with hard measures being taken on drivers who disobey the rules. I agree with schools not selling junk food in the cafeteria and I agree with schools designating a snack break for healthy food only. These are different situations with their own ways to combat their negative effects. Making vaccinations mandatory for enrolled students is a way to ensure as many people are vaccinated as possible.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Transcendentia 08/02/17 2:28:20 AM #131:	bbl <cite>Transcendentia posted [p:884032576] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote>bbl</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/02/17 2:30:11 AM #132:	Here's the biggest reason why your obesity point isn't a good counter-argument. The problem with unvaccinated kids is that they're unvaccinated and they're at risk of being infected and infecting others. Vaccinating them is a solution to that problem. By blocking public school access you are putting through a measure that the public school is a safe environment for all children enrolled in the school. Banning obese children from school doesn't solve their obesity. This is why most measures would be put in place within the school environment to try and create a healthy environment for children. You're trying to shift this off as a "Government will take control of your lives" by using examples that not only would not solve these situations but they don't make sense. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:884032623] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote>Here's the biggest reason why your obesity point isn't a good counter-argument. The problem with unvaccinated kids is that they're unvaccinated and they're at risk of being infected and infecting others. Vaccinating them is a solution to that problem. By blocking public school access you are putting through a measure that the public school is a safe environment for all children enrolled in the school. Banning obese children from school doesn't solve their obesity. This is why most measures would be put in place within the school environment to try and create a healthy environment for children. You're trying to shift this off as a "Government will take control of your lives" by using examples that not only would not solve these situations but they don't make sense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 08/02/17 2:57:41 AM #133:	The23rdMagus posted... Maybe the bubonic plague. Fun story, we still get cases of the bubonic plague. Yet no measles. Crazyman93 posted... Yeah about that, thanks to the 9th Circuit Court, there's a precedent to say the US Government can't do this. Unless the Supreme Court Upholds Trump's ban on giving money to sanctuary cities. Huh. I'll need to look into that. Transcendentia posted... So you'd be okay with giving the government the power to come up to you, at any time and for any reason, and to inject you with whatever they want? All because "this is good for you, just trust us" and that alone? I thought you were going to sleep. And yes, when it comes to infant inoculations that have wiped many diseases. You ever see what happens to a baby born to a mother who had Scarlet Fever during pregnancy? Blind, deaf, dumb, profoundly mentally handicapped. You ever see a baby with Pertussis? It's like watching a baby try to breath in a burning building. I have some pretty strong opinions, because I've fucking seen what ignorance wrought. And finally: I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT OBESITY IN THIS FUCKING TOPIC. An earthquake and a tornado can both topple a building, but we're currently talking about earthquakes. Bringing up tornadoes is pointless, intellectually dishonest, and you know it. --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:884033411] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote><cite>The23rdMagus posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe the bubonic plague.</quote> Fun story, we still get cases of the bubonic plague. Yet no measles. <cite>Crazyman93 posted...</cite> <quote> Yeah about that, thanks to the 9th Circuit Court, there's a precedent to say the US Government can't do this. Unless the Supreme Court Upholds Trump's ban on giving money to sanctuary cities.</quote> Huh. I'll need to look into that. <cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote> So you'd be okay with giving the government the power to come up to you, at any time and for any reason, and to inject you with whatever they want? All because "this is good for you, just trust us" and that alone?</quote> I thought you were going to sleep. And yes, when it comes to infant inoculations that have wiped many diseases. You ever see what happens to a baby born to a mother who had Scarlet Fever during pregnancy? Blind, deaf, dumb, profoundly mentally handicapped. You ever see a baby with Pertussis? It's like watching a baby try to breath in a burning building. I have some pretty strong opinions, because I've fucking seen what ignorance wrought. And finally: I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT OBESITY IN THIS FUCKING TOPIC. An earthquake and a tornado can both topple a building, but we're currently talking about earthquakes. Bringing up tornadoes is pointless, intellectually dishonest, and you know it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MorbidFaithless 08/02/17 3:10:31 AM #134:	What is transcendentia an alt of --- walk like thunder <cite>MorbidFaithless posted [p:884033759] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote>What is transcendentia an alt of</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NibeIungsnarf 08/02/17 3:13:15 AM #135:	ReD_ToMaTo posted... Should have your children taken away tbh. <cite>NibeIungsnarf posted [p:884033823] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote><cite>ReD_ToMaTo posted...</cite> <quote>Should have your children taken away tbh.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
omega cookie 08/02/17 3:18:34 AM #136:	Three fucking pages and you people are still arguing with one of the most obvious trolls I've ever seen. CE at it's finest. --- FFRK: BRKB - Eiko - Guardian Mog FFBE: 885,063,087 - Orlandeau - 931 ATK <cite>omega cookie posted [p:884033969] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote>Three fucking pages and you people are still arguing with one of the most obvious trolls I've ever seen. CE at it's finest.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 08/02/17 3:20:16 AM #137:	MorbidFaithless posted... What is transcendentia an alt of Proudclad. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:884034015] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote><cite>MorbidFaithless posted...</cite> <quote>What is transcendentia an alt of</quote> Proudclad.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WaterLink 08/02/17 3:25:14 AM #138:	omega cookie posted... Three fucking pages and you people are still arguing with one of the most obvious trolls I've ever seen. CE at it's finest. You ever remember talking to those AIM bots? Or asking stupid questions to Siri? Like just to see what they say? This is kind of the same thing. Maybe it's pointless in the scheme of progressing society but trolls on the internet are kind of like a model of AI, they have to adhere to certain things to keep up character, and we're just testing them to see what happens when their points are countered. There are reasons why there are certain trolls that are thought of as good at their craft and certain ones that are bad and just need to be thrown away. But testing needs to be done before we can make conclusions. --- No one sings like you anymore <cite>WaterLink posted [p:884034129] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote><cite>omega cookie posted...</cite> <quote>Three fucking pages and you people are still arguing with one of the most obvious trolls I've ever seen. CE at it's finest.</quote> You ever remember talking to those AIM bots? Or asking stupid questions to Siri? Like just to see what they say? This is kind of the same thing. Maybe it's pointless in the scheme of progressing society but trolls on the internet are kind of like a model of AI, they have to adhere to certain things to keep up character, and we're just testing them to see what happens when their points are countered. There are reasons why there are certain trolls that are thought of as good at their craft and certain ones that are bad and just need to be thrown away. But testing needs to be done before we can make conclusions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 08/02/17 3:26:07 AM #139:	Transcendentia posted... That's a dangerous game to play. The government should not have the power to bar access to public goods and services as a means of forcing someone to undergo a surgery or operation of any kind. School is compulsory though. Your kids are forced to attend, unless you specifically have them schooled elsewhere. It's bad enough that children are all but compelled, under threat of force, to catch headlice. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:884034154] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>That's a dangerous game to play. The government should not have the power to bar access to public goods and services as a means of forcing someone to undergo a surgery or operation of any kind.</quote> School is compulsory though. Your kids are forced to attend, unless you specifically have them schooled elsewhere. It's bad enough that children are all but compelled, under threat of force, to catch headlice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MorbidFaithless 08/02/17 3:54:58 AM #140:	JE19426 posted... MorbidFaithless posted... What is transcendentia an alt of Proudclad. That explains literally everything, thanks --- walk like thunder <cite>MorbidFaithless posted [p:884034917] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MorbidFaithless posted...</cite> <quote>What is transcendentia an alt of</quote> Proudclad.</quote> That explains literally everything, thanks</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Polycosm 08/02/17 4:20:16 AM #141:	This is a tricky issue. The libertarian Non-Aggression Principle fails to provide a complete answer, imo. On one hand, I can't support mandatory vaccination because it seems like it's barely one step away from the dystopian future depicted in The Giver. While today's vaccinations are totally safe, mandatory vaccination sets a dangerous legal precedent. On the other hand, failing to vaccinate your child is awfully close to crossing the line of child neglect. Some people would even argue that it does cross that line... and I can definitely see the logic in that. There's also the risk of exposing others... does that constitute an act of aggression? It's not clear, imo. I'm in favor of leveraging social pressure against antivax families in order to make them bear the cost of the risk they introduce to society, but the devil is in the details. I don't think that there's an ideologically pure solution to this problem. --- BKSheikah owned me so thoroughly in the 2017 guru contest, I'd swear he used the Lens of Truth to pick his bracket. (thengamer.com/guru) <cite>Polycosm posted [p:884035504] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote>This is a tricky issue. The libertarian Non-Aggression Principle fails to provide a complete answer, imo. On one hand, I can't support mandatory vaccination because it seems like it's barely one step away from the dystopian future depicted in The Giver. While today's vaccinations are totally safe, mandatory vaccination sets a dangerous legal precedent. On the other hand, failing to vaccinate your child is awfully close to crossing the line of child neglect. Some people would even argue that it does cross that line... and I can definitely see the logic in that. There's also the risk of exposing others... does that constitute an act of aggression? It's not clear, imo. I'm in favor of leveraging social pressure against antivax families in order to make them bear the cost of the risk they introduce to society, but the devil is in the details. I don't think that there's an ideologically pure solution to this problem.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krystal109 08/02/17 4:23:42 AM #142:	Transcendentia posted... I'm all for vaccinations, but I'm not going to fear monger the way you are. The vast majority of us will not have contact with those diseases regardless of how many people don't want to vaccinate. Tell that to the tons of measles outbreak victims due to communities that refuse to vaccinate their children, putting other children with auto-immune diseases who can't vaccinate at risk. Anyone who thinks that vaccines are dangerous to their children should watch this video and get educated: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VG_s2PCH_c (literally choose a video because people around here hate reading). <cite>Krystal109 posted [p:884035568] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>I'm all for vaccinations, but I'm not going to fear monger the way you are. The vast majority of us will not have contact with those diseases regardless of how many people don't want to vaccinate. </quote> Tell that to the tons of measles outbreak victims due to communities that refuse to vaccinate their children, putting other children with auto-immune diseases who can't vaccinate at risk. Anyone who thinks that vaccines are dangerous to their children should watch this video and get educated: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VG_s2PCH_c (literally choose a video because people around here hate reading).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LittleRoyal 08/02/17 4:25:11 AM #143:	Krystal109 posted... Transcendentia posted... I'm all for vaccinations, but I'm not going to fear monger the way you are. The vast majority of us will not have contact with those diseases regardless of how many people don't want to vaccinate. Tell that to the tons of measles outbreak victims due to communities that refuse to vaccinate their children, putting other children with auto-immune diseases who can't vaccinate at risk. Anyone who thinks that vaccines are dangerous to their children should watch this video and get educated: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VG_s2PCH_c Vaccines are safe. But John Oliver isn't the most reliable source he's very one sided and mocks people who disagree with him in anything And he is in front of s higemine studio who wouldn't want to Challenge him. I hate the one sided ness of people like him who are taken as a reliable news source. --- I-I really needed this~~ Time to stomp some faces!!! <cite>LittleRoyal posted [p:884035599] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote><cite>Krystal109 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>I'm all for vaccinations, but I'm not going to fear monger the way you are. The vast majority of us will not have contact with those diseases regardless of how many people don't want to vaccinate. </quote> Tell that to the tons of measles outbreak victims due to communities that refuse to vaccinate their children, putting other children with auto-immune diseases who can't vaccinate at risk. Anyone who thinks that vaccines are dangerous to their children should watch this video and get educated: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VG_s2PCH_c</quote> Vaccines are safe. But John Oliver isn't the most reliable source he's very one sided and mocks people who disagree with him in anything And he is in front of s higemine studio who wouldn't want to Challenge him. I hate the one sided ness of people like him who are taken as a reliable news source.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krystal109 08/02/17 4:29:01 AM #144:	LittleRoyal posted... Vaccines are safe. But John Oliver isn't the most reliable source he's very one sided and mocks people who disagree with him in anything His points are correct, even if he's mocking about it. Also, he is good at explaining "complex" things like herd immunity to fucking morons. <cite>Krystal109 posted [p:884035660] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote><cite>LittleRoyal posted...</cite> <quote>Vaccines are safe. But John Oliver isn't the most reliable source he's very one sided and mocks people who disagree with him in anything </quote> His points are correct, even if he's mocking about it. Also, he is good at explaining "complex" things like herd immunity to fucking morons.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LittleRoyal 08/02/17 4:34:35 AM #145:	Krystal109 posted... LittleRoyal posted... Vaccines are safe. But John Oliver isn't the most reliable source he's very one sided and mocks people who disagree with him in anything His points are correct, even if he's mocking about it. Also, he is good at explaining complex things like herd immunity to fucking morons. Sort of but he also blames a lot of his issues on people like trump, but then goes backwards in time. "Trump inciting hate on trans people...back in 2013 this happened" Don't try to make it look like trump started every other issue you preach about XD (and he preaches to the choir) In this specific video he insults a doctor because he has a bad hair cut and is fat I guess? Idk the insult what he was trying to make was but that doesn't make him a bad doctor. I've had ugly doctors who I've Trusted. So yeah I agree with much of what he says in some of his videos but he is too one sided to really be called a fair news source But "fuck you fish" rant is probably one of my favorite things I've seen this month! --- I-I really needed this~~ Time to stomp some faces!!! <cite>LittleRoyal posted [p:884035770] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote><cite>Krystal109 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LittleRoyal posted...</cite> <quote>Vaccines are safe. But John Oliver isn't the most reliable source he's very one sided and mocks people who disagree with him in anything </quote> His points are correct, even if he's mocking about it. Also, he is good at explaining complex things like herd immunity to fucking morons.</quote> Sort of but he also blames a lot of his issues on people like trump, but then goes backwards in time. "Trump inciting hate on trans people...back in 2013 this happened" Don't try to make it look like trump started every other issue you preach about XD (and he preaches to the choir) In this specific video he insults a doctor because he has a bad hair cut and is fat I guess? Idk the insult what he was trying to make was but that doesn't make him a bad doctor. I've had ugly doctors who I've Trusted. So yeah I agree with much of what he says in some of his videos but he is too one sided to really be called a fair news source But "fuck you fish" rant is probably one of my favorite things I've seen this month!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Krystal109 08/02/17 4:59:30 AM #147:	LittleRoyal posted... Sort of but he also blames a lot of his issues on people like trump, but then goes backwards in time. "Trump inciting hate on trans people...back in 2013 this happened" That has nothing to do with this video or this issue tho. A person's view on one thing, like Trump, does not mean all his views are good/bad. The fact that he breaks up his rants with some stupid humor also doesn't make his points any less factual or real. If you're going to ignore a person's whole argument because you don't agree with one thing they say on a completely separate topic, then you probably shouldn't bother with ever having debates. <cite>Krystal109 posted [p:884036266] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote><cite>LittleRoyal posted...</cite> <quote>Sort of but he also blames a lot of his issues on people like trump, but then goes backwards in time. "Trump inciting hate on trans people...back in 2013 this happened" </quote> That has nothing to do with this video or this issue tho. A person's view on one thing, like Trump, does not mean all his views are good/bad. The fact that he breaks up his rants with some stupid humor also doesn't make his points any less factual or real. If you're going to ignore a person's whole argument because you don't agree with one thing they say on a completely separate topic, then you probably shouldn't bother with ever having debates.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LittleRoyal 08/02/17 5:26:00 AM #148:	Krystal109 posted... LittleRoyal posted... Sort of but he also blames a lot of his issues on people like trump, but then goes backwards in time. "Trump inciting hate on trans people...back in 2013 this happened" That has nothing to do with this video or this issue tho. A person's view on one thing, like Trump, does not mean all his views are good/bad. The fact that he breaks up his rants with some stupid humor also doesn't make his points any less factual or real. If you're going to ignore a person's whole argument because you don't agree with one thing they say on a completely separate topic, then you probably shouldn't bother with ever having debates. You just did exactly that. I mentioned multiple times that he is right in this case. I'm simply saying I don't like how I see him thrown around as a news source by people on campus and sometimes online especially his comments. He isn't a real news source he is entertainment. Way too bias to actually be an accurate news source though so are most news stations --- I-I really needed this~~ Time to stomp some faces!!! <cite>LittleRoyal posted [p:884036751] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote><cite>Krystal109 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LittleRoyal posted...</cite> <quote>Sort of but he also blames a lot of his issues on people like trump, but then goes backwards in time. "Trump inciting hate on trans people...back in 2013 this happened" </quote> That has nothing to do with this video or this issue tho. A person's view on one thing, like Trump, does not mean all his views are good/bad. The fact that he breaks up his rants with some stupid humor also doesn't make his points any less factual or real. If you're going to ignore a person's whole argument because you don't agree with one thing they say on a completely separate topic, then you probably shouldn't bother with ever having debates.</quote> You just did exactly that. I mentioned multiple times that he is right in this case. I'm simply saying I don't like how I see him thrown around as a news source by people on campus and sometimes online especially his comments. He isn't a real news source he is entertainment. Way too bias to actually be an accurate news source though so are most news stations</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 08/02/17 5:30:55 AM #149:	Hell, I remember bringing this up on Facebook and an older woman brought up remembering being in line with her parents for the polio vaccine and her family hoping to God that they had enough to get to them. This was some time ago, I forget her exact wording. --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:884036830] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote>Hell, I remember bringing this up on Facebook and an older woman brought up remembering being in line with her parents for the polio vaccine and her family hoping to God that they had enough to get to them. This was some time ago, I forget her exact wording.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Knowledge_King 08/02/17 9:40:00 AM #150:	Never. That basically gives the government free reign to experiment on us and force us to take shots. --- http://www.warwithwords.com Blade Forged in Darkness: An award-winning Fantasy Novel:http://www.amazon.com/dp/B01CE0TLLM <cite>Knowledge_King posted [p:884043140] in If you don... [t:75629127]...</cite> <quote>Never. That basically gives the government free reign to experiment on us and force us to take shots.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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