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--kresnik--
08/01/17 7:53:36 PM
#101:


Direct defiance of the government, with disregard to citizens should be a crime. We will see how ICE proceeds with this.
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JE19426
08/01/17 7:58:17 PM
#102:


--kresnik-- posted...
Direct defiance of the government, with disregard to citizens should be a crime.


What does that even mean?
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--kresnik--
08/01/17 8:00:11 PM
#103:


Defying Trump's decree to deport illegal citizens (every illegal person is technically a criminal). Harboring them in such mass numbers is a drain on the taxpayers' funds (who oppose this) and this exposes the legal citizens to danger.
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JE19426
08/01/17 8:02:13 PM
#104:


--kresnik-- posted...
Defying Trump's decree to deport illegal citizens (every illegal person is technically a criminal). Harboring them in such mass numbers is a drain on the taxpayers' funds (who oppose this) and this exposes the legal citizens to danger.


So basically, the President becomes a dictator.
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--kresnik--
08/01/17 8:03:00 PM
#105:


No. That's deflection and completely false.
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JE19426
08/01/17 8:06:17 PM
#106:


--kresnik-- posted...
No. That's deflection and completely false.


You are arguing it should be a crime to disobey the President's orders even orders with no basis in the constitution. That makes the President a dictator.
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--kresnik--
08/01/17 9:25:37 PM
#107:


Providing for the common defense is what he's doing, which is in the preamble to the constitution.
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anth0ny
08/01/17 9:30:16 PM
#108:


just gotta' hold on until these Republicans that don't do anyone any good get the fucking boot
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JE19426
08/01/17 9:32:45 PM
#109:


--kresnik-- posted...
Providing for the common defense is what he's doing, which is in the preamble to the constitution.


What part of the constitution lets him do so in that manner?
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MangaFan462
08/01/17 9:34:15 PM
#110:


They really should, illegal immigration just brings crime and poverty
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daftpunk_mk5
08/01/17 9:49:53 PM
#111:


JE19426 posted...
--kresnik-- posted...
Defying Trump's decree to deport illegal citizens (every illegal person is technically a criminal). Harboring them in such mass numbers is a drain on the taxpayers' funds (who oppose this) and this exposes the legal citizens to danger.


So basically, the President becomes a dictator.


Apparently enforcing existing laws = being a dictator

Also asking the DoJ for money while refusing to aid their investigations is fucking absurd.
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--kresnik--
08/01/17 9:50:39 PM
#112:


daftpunk_mk5 posted...
JE19426 posted...
--kresnik-- posted...
Defying Trump's decree to deport illegal citizens (every illegal person is technically a criminal). Harboring them in such mass numbers is a drain on the taxpayers' funds (who oppose this) and this exposes the legal citizens to danger.


So basically, the President becomes a dictator.


Apparently enforcing existing laws = being a dictator

Also asking the DoJ for money while refusing to aid their investigations is fucking absurd.

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Cj_WlLL_VVlN
08/01/17 9:53:37 PM
#113:


Without reading the topic it won't go anywhere.

Federal laws can't be enforced by local police.

What sanctuary cities are doing is not giving ice a call and not detaining.

They're under no obligation to do either.
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Sephiroth1288
08/01/17 9:57:58 PM
#114:


Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
Without reading the topic it won't go anywhere.

Federal laws can't be enforced by local police.

What sanctuary cities are doing is not giving ice a call and not detaining.

They're under no obligation to do either.

Actually they are, otherwise they're aiding and abetting a criminal.
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Etherealfare
08/01/17 9:59:39 PM
#115:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
Without reading the topic it won't go anywhere.

Federal laws can't be enforced by local police.

What sanctuary cities are doing is not giving ice a call and not detaining.

They're under no obligation to do either.

Actually they are, otherwise they're aiding and abetting a criminal.

nope
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Capn Circus
08/01/17 10:02:08 PM
#116:


Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
Without reading the topic it won't go anywhere.

Federal laws can't be enforced by local police.

What sanctuary cities are doing is not giving ice a call and not detaining.

They're under no obligation to do either.


They may not be under obligation, but Trump and his administration certainly have the right to withhold funding and they should do whatever measures possible to curtail cities that are knowingly releasing illegal aliens who have committed crimes, sometimes violent, back onto the streets.

They did it with drunken driving, for example. Not all states were complying with the 0.08 standard---they started losing funding and now in every state driving drunk is very illegal.

As Trump said, we have a border or we don't. Allowing them to all just gain citizenship while surpassing others who have been waiting fairly is unacceptable. And then what? The cycle just continues? Once they've made it to the U.S. they're a citizen? No thank you. That is open borders, and it's pretty much what we have right now.
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JE19426
08/01/17 10:02:09 PM
#117:


daftpunk_mk5 posted...
Apparently enforcing existing laws = being a dictator


Lmao. The President doesn't get to give whatever order he wants and "this is the law now break it and you get arrested".

Also asking the DoJ for money while refusing to aid their investigations is fucking absurd.


ICE isn't part of the DoJ.

Sephiroth1288 posted...
Actually they are, otherwise they're aiding and abetting a criminal.


Wrong. Look up what "aiding and abetting" means.
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Sephiroth1288
08/01/17 10:09:36 PM
#118:


JE19426 posted...
Wrong. Look up what "aiding and abetting" means.

Protecting a criminal from the law?
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JE19426
08/01/17 10:11:24 PM
#119:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
Protecting a criminal from the law?


Wrong.
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Sephiroth1288
08/01/17 10:12:40 PM
#120:


JE19426 posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Protecting a criminal from the law?


Wrong.

Yeah, if you assist a person in committing an illegal act I'm rather certain that's what aiding and abetting is.
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JE19426
08/01/17 10:13:36 PM
#121:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
Yeah, if you assist a person in committing an illegal act I'm rather certain that's what aiding and abetting is.


What did you mean by "Protecting a criminal from the law" in that case?

Edit: and how are Sanctuary Cities assisting a person in committing an illegal act.
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Sephiroth1288
08/01/17 10:15:39 PM
#122:


JE19426 posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Yeah, if you assist a person in committing an illegal act I'm rather certain that's what aiding and abetting is.


What did you mean by "Protecting a criminal from the law" in that case?

By not alerting the Fed that a person is in the country illegally, they are assisting him in continuing to circumvent the law

Therefore, they are aiding and abetting criminals
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JE19426
08/01/17 10:18:14 PM
#123:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
By not alerting the Fed that a person is in the country illegally, they are assisting him in continuing to circumvent the law


Wrong. That's not a crime.

Therefore, they are aiding and abetting criminals


Even if continuing to stay in the USA was illegal, refusing to alert the Federal authorities wouldn't be aiding and abetting.
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Sephiroth1288
08/01/17 10:19:48 PM
#124:


JE19426 posted...
Even if continuing to stay in the USA was illegal,

It is, if you're an illegal immigrant

JE19426 posted...
refusing to alert the Federal authorities wouldn't be aiding and abetting.

Given that their policy is specifically intended to not deport illegals, not on the principal of state's rights, yes of course it is.
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JE19426
08/01/17 10:22:18 PM
#125:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
It is, if you're an illegal immigrant


Cite the law in that case.

Given that their policy is specifically intended to not deport illegals, not on the principal of state's rights, yes of course it is.


Wrong. Refusing report a criminal isn't aiding and abetting regardlesd of your reason.
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Capn Circus
08/01/17 10:28:49 PM
#126:


JE19426 posted...
Refusing report a criminal isn't aiding and abetting regardlesd of your reason.


If you've arrested them and they are housed at your jail facility, while knowing they are illegal aliens--I'd say that would be harboring a criminal.
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Sephiroth1288
08/01/17 10:33:00 PM
#127:


JE19426 posted...
Cite the law in that case.

The law that makes it illegal to enter the country illegally?

If you need help with this then I'm afraid I can't do much more to help you.

JE19426 posted...
Wrong. Refusing report a criminal isn't aiding and abetting regardlesd of your reason.

If you hide a wanted criminal from the police in your house, you are aiding and abetting a criminal.

Yet, strangely, hiding an illegal immigrant in a jail cell from the Fed and do your best to release them before the Fed knows they're there isn't aiding and abetting a criminal?

Weird!
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JE19426
08/01/17 10:33:46 PM
#128:


Capn Circus posted...
If you've arrested them and they are housed at your jail facility, while knowing they are illegal aliens--I'd say that would be harboring a criminal.


Only if there's a warrant out for that persons arrest. In that case the city should (and according to the link Sephiroth posted will) hand them over.

Sephiroth1288 posted...
The law that makes it illegal to enter the country illegally?

If you need help with this then I'm afraid I can't do much more to help you.


They aren't entering the country illegally. They already are in the country.

If you hide a wanted criminal from the police in your house, you are aiding and abetting a criminal.

Yet, strangely, hiding an illegal immigrant in a jail cell from the Fed and do your best to release them before the Fed knows they're there isn't aiding and abetting a criminal?

Weird!


That isn't aiding and abetting. It's harboring a fugitive. Assuming that by "wanted criminal" you mean "someone with a warrant out for their arrest".
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Sephiroth1288
08/01/17 10:42:58 PM
#129:


JE19426 posted...
They aren't entering the country illegally. They already are in the country.

omfg

Being in the country when you aren't supposed to be is also a crime, you fucking simp

JE19426 posted...
That isn't aiding and abetting. It's harboring a fugitive. Assuming that by "wanted criminal" you mean "someone with a warrant out for their arrest".

Yeah, and they do their best to hide their presence from the Fed so that the Fed doesn't have an opportunity to create a warrant in the first place.

This is a clear attempt to hide a criminal and I can't believe any sane person doesn't see this as a clear attempt to subvert the law.
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JE19426
08/01/17 10:51:15 PM
#130:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
omfg

Being in the country when you aren't supposed to be is also a crime, you fucking simp


Cite the law.

Yeah, and they do their best to hide their presence from the Fed so that the Fed doesn't have an opportunity to create a warrant in the first place.

This is a clear attempt to hide a criminal and I can't believe any sane person doesn't see this as a clear attempt to subvert the law.


Does it break any laws?
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Sephiroth1288
08/01/17 10:54:31 PM
#131:


JE19426 posted...
Cite the law.

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JE19426
08/01/17 11:07:05 PM
#132:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
JE19426 posted...
Cite the law.

udsbnS5


So you have nothing? Thanks for admitting I'm right.
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Tropicalwood
08/01/17 11:08:28 PM
#133:


If I illegally enter JE19426's house and eat his food, does that mean I can't be removed from his property.

Deportation in a nutshell, breaking and entering.
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JE19426
08/01/17 11:09:54 PM
#134:


Tropicalwood posted...
If I illegally enter JE19426's house and eat his food, does that mean I can't be removed from his property


Nope. I could phone the police and they could remove you.
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Sephiroth1288
08/01/17 11:10:25 PM
#135:


JE19426 posted...
So you have nothing? Thanks for admitting I'm right.

Being in the country as an illegal immigrant is illegal.

I'm not going to indulge your pigheadedness.
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JE19426
08/01/17 11:12:10 PM
#136:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
Being in the country as an illegal immigrant is illegal.

I'm not going to indulge your pigheadedness.


All you'd have to do is cite the law. Instead you're just repeating yourself again and again.
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Tropicalwood
08/01/17 11:12:16 PM
#137:


JE19426 posted...
Tropicalwood posted...
If I illegally enter JE19426's house and eat his food, does that mean I can't be removed from his property


Nope. I could phone the police and they could remove you.

No you couldn't, it's not illegal to be in your house, according to you.
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JE19426
08/01/17 11:13:09 PM
#138:


Tropicalwood posted...
No you couldn't, it's not illegal to be in your house, according to you.


Where did I claim that?

Furthermore even if it was legal to be in my house they'd arrest you for breaking and entering or theft.
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Sephiroth1288
08/01/17 11:13:34 PM
#139:


JE19426 posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Being in the country as an illegal immigrant is illegal.

I'm not going to indulge your pigheadedness.


All you'd have to do is cite the law. Instead you're just repeating yourself again and again.

Sephiroth1288 posted...
I'm not going to indulge your pigheadedness.

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Tropicalwood
08/01/17 11:14:12 PM
#140:


JE19426 posted...
Tropicalwood posted...
No you couldn't, it's not illegal to be in your house, according to you.


Where did I claim that?

"IT'S NOT ILLEGAL TO BE IN A COUNTRY ILLEGALLY" - JE19426
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JE19426
08/01/17 11:15:34 PM
#141:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
JE19426 posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Being in the country as an illegal immigrant is illegal.

I'm not going to indulge your pigheadedness.


All you'd have to do is cite the law. Instead you're just repeating yourself again and again.

Sephiroth1288 posted...
I'm not going to indulge your pigheadedness.


Instead you'll repeat again and again.

Tropicalwood posted...
"IT'S NOT ILLEGAL TO BE IN A COUNTRY ILLEGALLY" - JE19426


Is my house a country? No it isn't.
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Tropicalwood
08/01/17 11:18:38 PM
#142:


JE19426 posted...
Is my house a country? No it isn't.

Is the country not the federal government's property? If it's not illegal to enter a country illegally, it's not illegal to break into a private citizen's home
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JE19426
08/01/17 11:21:05 PM
#143:


Tropicalwood posted...
If it's not illegal to enter a country illegally, it's not illegal to break into a private citizen's home


Wrong different laws apply to countries and houses. Even if what you said is true where did I claim "it's not illegal to enter a country illegally"?
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Tropicalwood
08/01/17 11:32:10 PM
#144:


JE19426 posted...
Tropicalwood posted...
If it's not illegal to enter a country illegally, it's not illegal to break into a private citizen's home


Wrong different laws apply to countries and houses. Even if what you said is true where did I claim "it's not illegal to enter a country illegally"?

You're telling people it isn't illegal to be in a country illegally. Probably because your poverty pimp politicians benefit from breaking the law.
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JE19426
08/01/17 11:34:17 PM
#145:


Tropicalwood posted...
You're telling people it isn't illegal to be in a country illegally. Probably because your poverty pimp politicians benefit from breaking the law.


Wrong, I'm telling that it's not illegal to be in the USA without permission because it's true. Feel free to cite the law that states otherwise if I am wrong.
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untrustful
08/01/17 11:37:08 PM
#146:


ICE was better when it was micromanaged by Obama. They spent all of their time on illegal immigrants who were criminals. Now they're just wasting time.
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Sephiroth1288
08/01/17 11:43:33 PM
#147:


untrustful posted...
ICE was better when it was micromanaged by Obama. They spent all of their time on illegal immigrants who were criminals. Now they're just wasting time.

Illegal immigrants are criminals...
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JE19426
08/01/17 11:44:27 PM
#148:


Sephiroth1288 posted...

Illegal immigrants are criminals...


Not all of them.
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Sephiroth1288
08/01/17 11:45:48 PM
#149:


JE19426 posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...

Illegal immigrants are criminals...


Not all of them.

Hey JE

If a criminal is someone who does something illegal, then what does that make illegal immigrants?
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JE19426
08/01/17 11:48:45 PM
#150:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
If a criminal is someone who does something illegal, then what does that make illegal immigrants?


That depends on how you define "illegal immigrants". Most commonly it's used to mean "people currently in country x without permission", which isn't automatically illegal.
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