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--kresnik-- 08/01/17 7:53:36 PM #101: |
Direct defiance of the government, with disregard to citizens should be a crime. We will see how ICE proceeds with this.
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JE19426 08/01/17 7:58:17 PM #102: |
--kresnik-- posted...
Direct defiance of the government, with disregard to citizens should be a crime. What does that even mean? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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--kresnik-- 08/01/17 8:00:11 PM #103: |
Defying Trump's decree to deport illegal citizens (every illegal person is technically a criminal). Harboring them in such mass numbers is a drain on the taxpayers' funds (who oppose this) and this exposes the legal citizens to danger.
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JE19426 08/01/17 8:02:13 PM #104: |
--kresnik-- posted...
Defying Trump's decree to deport illegal citizens (every illegal person is technically a criminal). Harboring them in such mass numbers is a drain on the taxpayers' funds (who oppose this) and this exposes the legal citizens to danger. So basically, the President becomes a dictator. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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--kresnik-- 08/01/17 8:03:00 PM #105: |
No. That's deflection and completely false.
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JE19426 08/01/17 8:06:17 PM #106: |
--kresnik-- posted...
No. That's deflection and completely false. You are arguing it should be a crime to disobey the President's orders even orders with no basis in the constitution. That makes the President a dictator. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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--kresnik-- 08/01/17 9:25:37 PM #107: |
Providing for the common defense is what he's doing, which is in the preamble to the constitution.
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anth0ny 08/01/17 9:30:16 PM #108: |
just gotta' hold on until these Republicans that don't do anyone any good get the fucking boot
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JE19426 08/01/17 9:32:45 PM #109: |
--kresnik-- posted...
Providing for the common defense is what he's doing, which is in the preamble to the constitution. What part of the constitution lets him do so in that manner? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MangaFan462 08/01/17 9:34:15 PM #110: |
They really should, illegal immigration just brings crime and poverty
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daftpunk_mk5 08/01/17 9:49:53 PM #111: |
JE19426 posted...
--kresnik-- posted...Defying Trump's decree to deport illegal citizens (every illegal person is technically a criminal). Harboring them in such mass numbers is a drain on the taxpayers' funds (who oppose this) and this exposes the legal citizens to danger. Apparently enforcing existing laws = being a dictator Also asking the DoJ for money while refusing to aid their investigations is fucking absurd. --- Some say that his voice can only be heard by cats, and that he has two sets of knees... all we know is, he's called the Stig. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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--kresnik-- 08/01/17 9:50:39 PM #112: |
daftpunk_mk5 posted...
JE19426 posted...--kresnik-- posted...Defying Trump's decree to deport illegal citizens (every illegal person is technically a criminal). Harboring them in such mass numbers is a drain on the taxpayers' funds (who oppose this) and this exposes the legal citizens to danger. --- Trump 2020 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN 08/01/17 9:53:37 PM #113: |
Without reading the topic it won't go anywhere.
Federal laws can't be enforced by local police. What sanctuary cities are doing is not giving ice a call and not detaining. They're under no obligation to do either. --- Give me your tired, your poor,Your masses yearning to breathe free,The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.Send these, the homeless, tempest tossed, to me. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sephiroth1288 08/01/17 9:57:58 PM #114: |
Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
Without reading the topic it won't go anywhere. Actually they are, otherwise they're aiding and abetting a criminal. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Etherealfare 08/01/17 9:59:39 PM #115: |
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...Without reading the topic it won't go anywhere. nope --- No time to freeze undercovers ease up in Grand Prix, and seize packages and pocket the currency - GZA ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Capn Circus 08/01/17 10:02:08 PM #116: |
Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
Without reading the topic it won't go anywhere. They may not be under obligation, but Trump and his administration certainly have the right to withhold funding and they should do whatever measures possible to curtail cities that are knowingly releasing illegal aliens who have committed crimes, sometimes violent, back onto the streets. They did it with drunken driving, for example. Not all states were complying with the 0.08 standard---they started losing funding and now in every state driving drunk is very illegal. As Trump said, we have a border or we don't. Allowing them to all just gain citizenship while surpassing others who have been waiting fairly is unacceptable. And then what? The cycle just continues? Once they've made it to the U.S. they're a citizen? No thank you. That is open borders, and it's pretty much what we have right now. --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JE19426 08/01/17 10:02:09 PM #117: |
daftpunk_mk5 posted...
Apparently enforcing existing laws = being a dictator Lmao. The President doesn't get to give whatever order he wants and "this is the law now break it and you get arrested". Also asking the DoJ for money while refusing to aid their investigations is fucking absurd. ICE isn't part of the DoJ. Sephiroth1288 posted... Actually they are, otherwise they're aiding and abetting a criminal. Wrong. Look up what "aiding and abetting" means. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sephiroth1288 08/01/17 10:09:36 PM #118: |
JE19426 posted...
Wrong. Look up what "aiding and abetting" means. Protecting a criminal from the law? --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JE19426 08/01/17 10:11:24 PM #119: |
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Protecting a criminal from the law? Wrong. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sephiroth1288 08/01/17 10:12:40 PM #120: |
JE19426 posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...Protecting a criminal from the law? Yeah, if you assist a person in committing an illegal act I'm rather certain that's what aiding and abetting is. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JE19426 08/01/17 10:13:36 PM #121: |
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Yeah, if you assist a person in committing an illegal act I'm rather certain that's what aiding and abetting is. What did you mean by "Protecting a criminal from the law" in that case? Edit: and how are Sanctuary Cities assisting a person in committing an illegal act. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sephiroth1288 08/01/17 10:15:39 PM #122: |
JE19426 posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...Yeah, if you assist a person in committing an illegal act I'm rather certain that's what aiding and abetting is. By not alerting the Fed that a person is in the country illegally, they are assisting him in continuing to circumvent the law Therefore, they are aiding and abetting criminals --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JE19426 08/01/17 10:18:14 PM #123: |
Sephiroth1288 posted...
By not alerting the Fed that a person is in the country illegally, they are assisting him in continuing to circumvent the law Wrong. That's not a crime. Therefore, they are aiding and abetting criminals Even if continuing to stay in the USA was illegal, refusing to alert the Federal authorities wouldn't be aiding and abetting. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sephiroth1288 08/01/17 10:19:48 PM #124: |
JE19426 posted...
Even if continuing to stay in the USA was illegal, It is, if you're an illegal immigrant JE19426 posted... refusing to alert the Federal authorities wouldn't be aiding and abetting. Given that their policy is specifically intended to not deport illegals, not on the principal of state's rights, yes of course it is. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JE19426 08/01/17 10:22:18 PM #125: |
Sephiroth1288 posted...
It is, if you're an illegal immigrant Cite the law in that case. Given that their policy is specifically intended to not deport illegals, not on the principal of state's rights, yes of course it is. Wrong. Refusing report a criminal isn't aiding and abetting regardlesd of your reason. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Capn Circus 08/01/17 10:28:49 PM #126: |
JE19426 posted...
Refusing report a criminal isn't aiding and abetting regardlesd of your reason. If you've arrested them and they are housed at your jail facility, while knowing they are illegal aliens--I'd say that would be harboring a criminal. --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sephiroth1288 08/01/17 10:33:00 PM #127: |
JE19426 posted...
Cite the law in that case. The law that makes it illegal to enter the country illegally? If you need help with this then I'm afraid I can't do much more to help you. JE19426 posted... Wrong. Refusing report a criminal isn't aiding and abetting regardlesd of your reason. If you hide a wanted criminal from the police in your house, you are aiding and abetting a criminal. Yet, strangely, hiding an illegal immigrant in a jail cell from the Fed and do your best to release them before the Fed knows they're there isn't aiding and abetting a criminal? Weird! --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JE19426 08/01/17 10:33:46 PM #128: |
Capn Circus posted...
If you've arrested them and they are housed at your jail facility, while knowing they are illegal aliens--I'd say that would be harboring a criminal. Only if there's a warrant out for that persons arrest. In that case the city should (and according to the link Sephiroth posted will) hand them over. Sephiroth1288 posted... The law that makes it illegal to enter the country illegally? They aren't entering the country illegally. They already are in the country. If you hide a wanted criminal from the police in your house, you are aiding and abetting a criminal. That isn't aiding and abetting. It's harboring a fugitive. Assuming that by "wanted criminal" you mean "someone with a warrant out for their arrest". ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sephiroth1288 08/01/17 10:42:58 PM #129: |
JE19426 posted...
They aren't entering the country illegally. They already are in the country. omfg Being in the country when you aren't supposed to be is also a crime, you fucking simp JE19426 posted... That isn't aiding and abetting. It's harboring a fugitive. Assuming that by "wanted criminal" you mean "someone with a warrant out for their arrest". Yeah, and they do their best to hide their presence from the Fed so that the Fed doesn't have an opportunity to create a warrant in the first place. This is a clear attempt to hide a criminal and I can't believe any sane person doesn't see this as a clear attempt to subvert the law. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JE19426 08/01/17 10:51:15 PM #130: |
Sephiroth1288 posted...
omfg Cite the law. Yeah, and they do their best to hide their presence from the Fed so that the Fed doesn't have an opportunity to create a warrant in the first place. Does it break any laws? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sephiroth1288 08/01/17 10:54:31 PM #131: |
JE19426 posted...
Cite the law. ![]() --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JE19426 08/01/17 11:07:05 PM #132: |
Sephiroth1288 posted...
JE19426 posted...Cite the law. So you have nothing? Thanks for admitting I'm right. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tropicalwood 08/01/17 11:08:28 PM #133: |
If I illegally enter JE19426's house and eat his food, does that mean I can't be removed from his property.
Deportation in a nutshell, breaking and entering. --- ayy lmao ayy lmao || oaml oaml yya yya ayy lmao ayy lmao || oaml oaml yya yya ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JE19426 08/01/17 11:09:54 PM #134: |
Tropicalwood posted...
If I illegally enter JE19426's house and eat his food, does that mean I can't be removed from his property Nope. I could phone the police and they could remove you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sephiroth1288 08/01/17 11:10:25 PM #135: |
JE19426 posted...
So you have nothing? Thanks for admitting I'm right. Being in the country as an illegal immigrant is illegal. I'm not going to indulge your pigheadedness. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JE19426 08/01/17 11:12:10 PM #136: |
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Being in the country as an illegal immigrant is illegal. All you'd have to do is cite the law. Instead you're just repeating yourself again and again. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tropicalwood 08/01/17 11:12:16 PM #137: |
JE19426 posted...
Tropicalwood posted...If I illegally enter JE19426's house and eat his food, does that mean I can't be removed from his property No you couldn't, it's not illegal to be in your house, according to you. --- ayy lmao ayy lmao || oaml oaml yya yya ayy lmao ayy lmao || oaml oaml yya yya ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JE19426 08/01/17 11:13:09 PM #138: |
Tropicalwood posted...
No you couldn't, it's not illegal to be in your house, according to you. Where did I claim that? Furthermore even if it was legal to be in my house they'd arrest you for breaking and entering or theft. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sephiroth1288 08/01/17 11:13:34 PM #139: |
JE19426 posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...Being in the country as an illegal immigrant is illegal. Sephiroth1288 posted... I'm not going to indulge your pigheadedness. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tropicalwood 08/01/17 11:14:12 PM #140: |
JE19426 posted...
Tropicalwood posted...No you couldn't, it's not illegal to be in your house, according to you. "IT'S NOT ILLEGAL TO BE IN A COUNTRY ILLEGALLY" - JE19426 --- ayy lmao ayy lmao || oaml oaml yya yya ayy lmao ayy lmao || oaml oaml yya yya ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JE19426 08/01/17 11:15:34 PM #141: |
Sephiroth1288 posted...
JE19426 posted...Sephiroth1288 posted...Being in the country as an illegal immigrant is illegal. Instead you'll repeat again and again. Tropicalwood posted... "IT'S NOT ILLEGAL TO BE IN A COUNTRY ILLEGALLY" - JE19426 Is my house a country? No it isn't. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tropicalwood 08/01/17 11:18:38 PM #142: |
JE19426 posted...
Is my house a country? No it isn't. Is the country not the federal government's property? If it's not illegal to enter a country illegally, it's not illegal to break into a private citizen's home --- ayy lmao ayy lmao || oaml oaml yya yya ayy lmao ayy lmao || oaml oaml yya yya ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JE19426 08/01/17 11:21:05 PM #143: |
Tropicalwood posted...
If it's not illegal to enter a country illegally, it's not illegal to break into a private citizen's home Wrong different laws apply to countries and houses. Even if what you said is true where did I claim "it's not illegal to enter a country illegally"? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tropicalwood 08/01/17 11:32:10 PM #144: |
JE19426 posted...
Tropicalwood posted...If it's not illegal to enter a country illegally, it's not illegal to break into a private citizen's home You're telling people it isn't illegal to be in a country illegally. Probably because your poverty pimp politicians benefit from breaking the law. --- ayy lmao ayy lmao || oaml oaml yya yya ayy lmao ayy lmao || oaml oaml yya yya ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JE19426 08/01/17 11:34:17 PM #145: |
Tropicalwood posted...
You're telling people it isn't illegal to be in a country illegally. Probably because your poverty pimp politicians benefit from breaking the law. Wrong, I'm telling that it's not illegal to be in the USA without permission because it's true. Feel free to cite the law that states otherwise if I am wrong. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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untrustful 08/01/17 11:37:08 PM #146: |
ICE was better when it was micromanaged by Obama. They spent all of their time on illegal immigrants who were criminals. Now they're just wasting time.
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Sephiroth1288 08/01/17 11:43:33 PM #147: |
untrustful posted...
ICE was better when it was micromanaged by Obama. They spent all of their time on illegal immigrants who were criminals. Now they're just wasting time. Illegal immigrants are criminals... --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JE19426 08/01/17 11:44:27 PM #148: |
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Not all of them. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sephiroth1288 08/01/17 11:45:48 PM #149: |
JE19426 posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted... Hey JE If a criminal is someone who does something illegal, then what does that make illegal immigrants? --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JE19426 08/01/17 11:48:45 PM #150: |
Sephiroth1288 posted...
If a criminal is someone who does something illegal, then what does that make illegal immigrants? That depends on how you define "illegal immigrants". Most commonly it's used to mean "people currently in country x without permission", which isn't automatically illegal. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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