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Antifar 07/31/17 9:32:58 AM #1:	http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/30/ivanka-trump-jared-kushner-241149 But if Ivanka Trump and Kushner, socially liberal former Democratic donors, remain influential voices with Trump on personnel decisions, they have so far had little effect on his policies. Last week they were blindsided by the president’s tweet saying he planned to ban transgender people from serving in the military, according to several White House aides, a major coup for conservatives who had been quietly lobbying the administration on the issue for months. White House officials said the first daughter was surprised by her father’s posts; in the past, Trump has been a supporter of gay rights. Ivanka Trump, according to these officials, learned of the decision when she saw her father’s tweet on her phone. The decree came less than a month after the first daughter tweeted, in honor of Pride Month: “I am proud to support my LGBTQ friends and the LGBTQ Americans who have made immense contributions to our society and economy.” And it spurred another wave of liberal rage directed at Ivanka Trump. For all the talk of a White House war between New York City liberals and traditionalist conservatives, it was the latest example of the limited influence the moderates have been able to wield on policy. Six months ago, few would have thought the president would have been circumventing his daughter to deliver victories to fiscal and social conservatives [Antifar's note: everyone thought this would happen]—but that’s precisely what happened with the transgender military ban, which the Pentagon has put on hold pending review. Now, as Ivanka Trump runs up against some of limits of her power in the White House, she appears to be narrowing her objectives—and disappointing those progressives who had pinned their hopes on the president’s family members exerting more of a moderating influence on his presidency. “Actions speak louder than words,” said Sarah McBride, national press secretary for the nonprofit Human Rights Coalition. “Either Ivanka is ineffective in her advocacy within the building, or her voice doesn’t matter to the president as much as she hopes it does.” Ivanka Trump has had some victories. While she lost out on persuading her father not to withdraw from the Paris climate accord, she had much more success in limiting a religious liberties executive order to abortion and procreation issues, cutting out many other possibilities that would have angered the LGBT community. “She’s in there doing what she can,” said R. Couri Hay, a publicist and a longtime friend of the Trump family. “It’s unrealistic, unfair and cruel to expect her to change climate policy and pre-K and women’s issues in six months.” But Ivanka Trump — who once met with Planned Parenthood CEO Cecile Richards to discuss a needle-threading way to potentially fund the organization — is staking out her reputation on getting a child care tax credit passed in a Republican Congress as part of tax reform, and fighting for paid family leave to be included in the budget. ... Ivanka Trump has explained to critics that she doesn’t want to ruin her credibility with Republicans, whose support she will need, by being perceived as what she sometimes refers to as a “super-lib” and expressing her personal disagreement with the administration’s most conservative policies. Meanwhile, she desperately wants to lower expectations of what she can achieve in an administration where she views herself as one person on a large team — even though other White House officials said she still has access to the president whenever she desires it. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:883919437] in Ivanka wan... [t:75623256]...</cite> <quote>http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/30/ivanka-trump-jared-kushner-241149 <quote>But if Ivanka Trump and Kushner, socially liberal former Democratic donors, remain influential voices with Trump on personnel decisions, they have so far had little effect on his policies. Last week they were blindsided by the president’s tweet saying he planned to ban transgender people from serving in the military, according to several White House aides, a major coup for conservatives who had been quietly lobbying the administration on the issue for months. White House officials said the first daughter was surprised by her father’s posts; in the past, Trump has been a supporter of gay rights. Ivanka Trump, according to these officials, learned of the decision when she saw her father’s tweet on her phone. The decree came less than a month after the first daughter tweeted, in honor of Pride Month: “I am proud to support my LGBTQ friends and the LGBTQ Americans who have made immense contributions to our society and economy.” And it spurred another wave of liberal rage directed at Ivanka Trump. For all the talk of a White House war between New York City liberals and traditionalist conservatives, it was the latest example of the limited influence the moderates have been able to wield on policy. Six months ago, few would have thought the president would have been circumventing his daughter to deliver victories to fiscal and social conservatives [Antifar's note: everyone thought this would happen]—but that’s precisely what happened with the transgender military ban, which the Pentagon has put on hold pending review. Now, as Ivanka Trump runs up against some of limits of her power in the White House, she appears to be narrowing her objectives—and disappointing those progressives who had pinned their hopes on the president’s family members exerting more of a moderating influence on his presidency. “Actions speak louder than words,” said Sarah McBride, national press secretary for the nonprofit Human Rights Coalition. “Either Ivanka is ineffective in her advocacy within the building, or her voice doesn’t matter to the president as much as she hopes it does.” Ivanka Trump has had some victories. While she lost out on persuading her father not to withdraw from the Paris climate accord, she had much more success in limiting a religious liberties executive order to abortion and procreation issues, cutting out many other possibilities that would have angered the LGBT community. “She’s in there doing what she can,” said R. Couri Hay, a publicist and a longtime friend of the Trump family. “It’s unrealistic, unfair and cruel to expect her to change climate policy and pre-K and women’s issues in six months.” But Ivanka Trump — who once met with Planned Parenthood CEO Cecile Richards to discuss a needle-threading way to potentially fund the organization — is staking out her reputation on getting a child care tax credit passed in a Republican Congress as part of tax reform, and fighting for paid family leave to be included in the budget. ... Ivanka Trump has explained to critics that she doesn’t want to ruin her credibility with Republicans, whose support she will need, by being perceived as what she sometimes refers to as a “super-lib” and expressing her personal disagreement with the administration’s most conservative policies. Meanwhile, she desperately wants to lower expectations of what she can achieve in an administration where she views herself as one person on a large team — even though other White House officials said she still has access to the president whenever she desires it. </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 07/31/17 9:35:49 AM #2:	i don't see the point of articles like this --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:883919547] in Ivanka wan... [t:75623256]...</cite> <quote>i don't see the point of articles like this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 07/31/17 9:38:07 AM #3:	Darkman124 posted... i don't see the point of articles like this It's exploring the role and (in)effectiveness of White House advisers, who, beyond being related to the president, were seen by some as a potentially moderating influence. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:883919626] in Ivanka wan... [t:75623256]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>i don't see the point of articles like this </quote> It's exploring the role and (in)effectiveness of White House advisers, who, beyond being related to the president, were seen by some as a potentially moderating influence.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 07/31/17 9:39:41 AM #4:	Darkman124 posted... i don't see the point of articles like this Mostly damage control for the narrative that Ivanka and Jared would keep Trump from being insane. I still have no idea where that idea even came from, honestly. --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera http://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:883919678] in Ivanka wan... [t:75623256]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>i don't see the point of articles like this</quote> Mostly damage control for the narrative that Ivanka and Jared would keep Trump from being insane. I still have no idea where that idea even came from, honestly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Were_Wyrm 07/31/17 9:39:53 AM #5:	Darkman124 posted... i don't see the point of articles like this Uhh Trump is bad m'kay. --- I was a God, Valeria. I found it...beneath me. - Dr. Doom http://i.imgur.com/9gYddqW.jpg <cite>Were_Wyrm posted [p:883919688] in Ivanka wan... [t:75623256]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>i don't see the point of articles like this</quote> Uhh Trump is bad m'kay.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
justaguy3492 07/31/17 9:40:24 AM #6:	Before the election a lot of conservative women (who were still concerned about women's issues that the right seems to ignore) seemed to think that Ivanka would be the voice of reason to the President, that appears to be out the window. --- Gt: justaguy3492 <cite>justaguy3492 posted [p:883919706] in Ivanka wan... [t:75623256]...</cite> <quote>Before the election a lot of conservative women (who were still concerned about women's issues that the right seems to ignore) seemed to think that Ivanka would be the voice of reason to the President, that appears to be out the window.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FaultyGourry 07/31/17 9:41:34 AM #7:	Darkman124 posted... i don't see the point of articles like this This. She's just Trumps daughter. What kind of power do people think she has? Seems like more 'sins of the father' bullshit. --- You can tell a lot about a man by how he strangles you. "Hypocrisy does not invalidate a point." - S. Rose. https://imgur.com/ZA4vp0y <cite>FaultyGourry posted [p:883919740] in Ivanka wan... [t:75623256]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>i don't see the point of articles like this</quote> This. She's just Trumps daughter. What kind of power do people think she has? Seems like more 'sins of the father' bullshit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 07/31/17 9:43:10 AM #8:	Antifar posted... It's exploring the role and (in)effectiveness of White House advisers, who, beyond being related to the president, were seen by some as a potentially moderating influence. which people are 'some' liberals always figured it was just bullshit conservatives always figured he'd do what he wants and not listen to some woman, esp his daughter moderates are mostly not paying attention at all. i guess it's for them? --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:883919797] in Ivanka wan... [t:75623256]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>It's exploring the role and (in)effectiveness of White House advisers, who, beyond being related to the president, were seen by some as a potentially moderating influence. </quote> which people are 'some' liberals always figured it was just bullshit conservatives always figured he'd do what he wants and not listen to some woman, esp his daughter moderates are mostly not paying attention at all. i guess it's for them?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 07/31/17 9:43:18 AM #9:	FaultyGourry posted... What kind of power do people think she has? She has a "newly renovated, all-white office in the West Wing." --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:883919799] in Ivanka wan... [t:75623256]...</cite> <quote><cite>FaultyGourry posted...</cite> <quote>What kind of power do people think she has?</quote> She has a "newly renovated, all-white office in the West Wing."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 07/31/17 9:44:37 AM #10:	I mean, Ivanka basically let the media paint her as a "moderating influence" because it worked in her favor. She really only has herself to blame for only now pointing out the narrative never had any basis in reality. --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera http://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:883919833] in Ivanka wan... [t:75623256]...</cite> <quote>I mean, Ivanka basically let the media paint her as a "moderating influence" because it worked in her favor. She really only has herself to blame for only now pointing out the narrative never had any basis in reality.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 07/31/17 9:45:05 AM #11:	Darkman124 posted... which people are 'some' Ivanka Trump often fields messages from progressive friends pushing her to speak out on their pet issues. Actor Leonardo DiCaprio messaged her ahead of the climate decision, begging her to do more to intervene. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:883919848] in Ivanka wan... [t:75623256]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>which people are 'some'</quote> <quote>Ivanka Trump often fields messages from progressive friends pushing her to speak out on their pet issues. Actor Leonardo DiCaprio messaged her ahead of the climate decision, begging her to do more to intervene.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PostCrisisJ2 07/31/17 9:45:40 AM #12:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3flv5nWZgII Speaking of the transgender ban, if this article is correct evidently not even some conservatives actually wanted a total ban, just a ban on the treatment for them using defense funds. Depending on your viewpoint that's probably not that much better but it seems rather telling. http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/26/trump-transgender-military-ban-behind-the-scenes-240990 --- spritual powah will never die Don't be shy to drop a PM to me, I'm always open for conversation. <cite>PostCrisisJ2 posted [p:883919860] in Ivanka wan... [t:75623256]...</cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3flv5nWZgII Speaking of the transgender ban, if this article is correct evidently not even some conservatives actually wanted a total ban, just a ban on the treatment for them using defense funds. Depending on your viewpoint that's probably not that much better but it seems rather telling. http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/26/trump-transgender-military-ban-behind-the-scenes-240990</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FaultyGourry 07/31/17 9:46:55 AM #13:	Antifar posted... FaultyGourry posted... What kind of power do people think she has? She has a "newly renovated, all-white office in the West Wing." To do what with? President's daughter is not an official office. --- You can tell a lot about a man by how he strangles you. "Hypocrisy does not invalidate a point." - S. Rose. https://imgur.com/ZA4vp0y <cite>FaultyGourry posted [p:883919902] in Ivanka wan... [t:75623256]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FaultyGourry posted...</cite> <quote>What kind of power do people think she has?</quote> She has a "newly renovated, all-white office in the West Wing."</quote> To do what with? President's daughter is not an official office.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Malcolm_Caradoc 07/31/17 9:47:02 AM #14:	JARED AND IVANKA FUCKING SUCK would these reporters who keep covering them "anonymously" jump off a bridge pls --- M. <cite>Malcolm_Caradoc posted [p:883919905] in Ivanka wan... [t:75623256]...</cite> <quote>JARED AND IVANKA FUCKING SUCK would these reporters who keep covering them "anonymously" jump off a bridge pls</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 07/31/17 9:48:02 AM #15:	FaultyGourry posted... To do what with? President's daughter is not an official office. She's an official White House staff member. Has been for months. I'm... not certain we know what she actually does though. --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera http://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:883919933] in Ivanka wan... [t:75623256]...</cite> <quote><cite>FaultyGourry posted...</cite> <quote>To do what with? President's daughter is not an official office.</quote> She's an official White House staff member. Has been for months. I'm... not certain we know what she actually does though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FaultyGourry 07/31/17 9:50:15 AM #16:	BLAKUboy posted... FaultyGourry posted... To do what with? President's daughter is not an official office. She's an official White House staff member. Has been for months. I'm... not certain we know what she actually does though. As an 'advisor' with no actual official title, salary or power. --- You can tell a lot about a man by how he strangles you. "Hypocrisy does not invalidate a point." - S. Rose. https://imgur.com/ZA4vp0y <cite>FaultyGourry posted [p:883920004] in Ivanka wan... [t:75623256]...</cite> <quote><cite>BLAKUboy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FaultyGourry posted...</cite> <quote>To do what with? President's daughter is not an official office.</quote> She's an official White House staff member. Has been for months. I'm... not certain we know what she actually does though.</quote> As an 'advisor' with no actual official title, salary or power.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 07/31/17 9:50:21 AM #17:	FaultyGourry posted... To do what with? President's daughter is not an official office. Her official title is "assistant to the president." https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/03/29/donald-trump-ivanka-trump/99795232/ She isn't just the president's daughter, she's been made a part of his staff. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:883920008] in Ivanka wan... [t:75623256]...</cite> <quote><cite>FaultyGourry posted...</cite> <quote>To do what with? President's daughter is not an official office. </quote> Her official title is "assistant to the president." https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/03/29/donald-trump-ivanka-trump/99795232/ She isn't just the president's daughter, she's been made a part of his staff.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FaultyGourry 07/31/17 9:57:00 AM #18:	Antifar posted... FaultyGourry posted... To do what with? President's daughter is not an official office. Her official title is "assistant to the president." https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/03/29/donald-trump-ivanka-trump/99795232/ She isn't just the president's daughter, she's been made a part of his staff. Ok, I was wrong. She does a title. Of assistant. Whole lot of power there. --- You can tell a lot about a man by how he strangles you. "Hypocrisy does not invalidate a point." - S. Rose. https://imgur.com/ZA4vp0y <cite>FaultyGourry posted [p:883920270] in Ivanka wan... [t:75623256]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FaultyGourry posted...</cite> <quote>To do what with? President's daughter is not an official office. </quote> Her official title is "assistant to the president." https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/03/29/donald-trump-ivanka-trump/99795232/ She isn't just the president's daughter, she's been made a part of his staff.</quote> Ok, I was wrong. She does a title. Of assistant. Whole lot of power there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 07/31/17 10:10:07 AM #19:	Darkman124 posted... i don't see the point of articles like this I dunno, seems as relevant as anything else to me they form a coherent center of power within the administration, so exploring the actual influence they can exert is pretty relevant. just as relevant as talking about, like, steve bannon and his policy views --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:883920728] in Ivanka wan... [t:75623256]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>i don't see the point of articles like this</quote> I dunno, seems as relevant as anything else to me they form a coherent center of power within the administration, so exploring the actual influence they can exert is pretty relevant. just as relevant as talking about, like, steve bannon and his policy views</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 07/31/17 10:36:02 AM #20:	Balrog0 posted... they form a coherent center of power within the administration, so exploring the actual influence they can exert is pretty relevant. just as relevant as talking about, like, steve bannon and his policy views if the article were "ivanka trump and jared kushner actually have no power, here's why: list of things they tried and failed to accomplish along with their nearly empty accomplishments list" i would understand its purpose in communicating that but this comes across as another feel-good piece about how ivanka is trying soooo hard but has to 'lower expectations' for some reason media are loath to criticize her at all --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:883921725] in Ivanka wan... [t:75623256]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>they form a coherent center of power within the administration, so exploring the actual influence they can exert is pretty relevant. just as relevant as talking about, like, steve bannon and his policy views </quote> if the article were "ivanka trump and jared kushner actually have no power, here's why: list of things they tried and failed to accomplish along with their nearly empty accomplishments list" i would understand its purpose in communicating that but this comes across as another feel-good piece about how ivanka is trying soooo hard but has to 'lower expectations' for some reason media are loath to criticize her at all</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OpheliaAdenade 07/31/17 10:36:56 AM #21:	Darkman124 posted... for some reason media are loath to criticize her at all because she's pretty --- http://imgur.com/Q6Qj55q <cite>OpheliaAdenade posted [p:883921759] in Ivanka wan... [t:75623256]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>for some reason media are loath to criticize her at all</quote> because she's pretty</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 07/31/17 10:39:35 AM #22:	OpheliaAdenade posted... Darkman124 posted... for some reason media are loath to criticize her at all because she's pretty honestly i dont know what it is, i think it's more complex than that we were fed this narrative of how 'ivanka is the smart, reasonable trump! not like her shitty brothers and insane, racist dad' her book basically lays out that she is no different than her brothers and her actual impact on policy suggests she is either really super ineffective at communicating with dad despite having more access to him than anyone else, or not actually at all interested in impacting most things that are claimed to matter to her basically we've been fed a lot of stuff about how ivanka will make sure the liberals get some crumbs from trump and they should just roll over and let him do his thing because they will get some of what they want --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:883921863] in Ivanka wan... [t:75623256]...</cite> <quote><cite>OpheliaAdenade posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>for some reason media are loath to criticize her at all</quote> because she's pretty</quote> honestly i dont know what it is, i think it's more complex than that we were fed this narrative of how 'ivanka is the smart, reasonable trump! not like her shitty brothers and insane, racist dad' her book basically lays out that she is no different than her brothers and her actual impact on policy suggests she is either really super ineffective at communicating with dad despite having more access to him than anyone else, or not actually at all interested in impacting most things that are claimed to matter to her basically we've been fed a lot of stuff about how ivanka will make sure the liberals get some crumbs from trump and they should just roll over and let him do his thing because they will get some of what they want</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 07/31/17 10:40:11 AM #23:	hmmm, I took it as a fairly negative piece about her, but I guess it is weird how they're framing it as her winning back credibility as though there was ever any evidence of her being able to accomplish something --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:883921887] in Ivanka wan... [t:75623256]...</cite> <quote>hmmm, I took it as a fairly negative piece about her, but I guess it is weird how they're framing it as her winning back credibility as though there was ever any evidence of her being able to accomplish something</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iosifsvoboda 07/31/17 10:45:46 AM #24:	Hopefully she gets motivated to run for office. --- ^_^ <cite>iosifsvoboda posted [p:883922108] in Ivanka wan... [t:75623256]...</cite> <quote>Hopefully she gets motivated to run for office.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 07/31/17 11:06:41 AM #25:	Darkman124 posted... honestly i dont know what it is, i think it's more complex than that Simple: she's been the source of a lot of WH leaks in exchange for favorable coverage --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:883923028] in Ivanka wan... [t:75623256]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>honestly i dont know what it is, i think it's more complex than that </quote> Simple: she's been the source of a lot of WH leaks in exchange for favorable coverage</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 07/31/17 11:11:38 AM #26:	Antifar posted... Simple: she's been the source of a lot of WH leaks in exchange for favorable coverage that would be very funny. i hope that is true. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:883923276] in Ivanka wan... [t:75623256]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote> Simple: she's been the source of a lot of WH leaks in exchange for favorable coverage </quote> that would be very funny. i hope that is true.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RickyTheBAWSE 07/31/17 11:22:25 AM #27:	justaguy3492 posted... Before the election a lot of conservative women (who were still concerned about women's issues that the right seems to ignore) seemed to think that Ivanka would be the voice of reason to the President, that appears to be out the window. I wondered why that narrative was being pushed so hard, myself. that was presumptuous on a WTF level. but look how many people on this board regurgitated that rhetoric so heavily. I'll never know what that shit was based on other than the blind faith of sheep. --- Never let those intent on misunderstanding you be the narrator to your story! BAWSE! <cite>RickyTheBAWSE posted [p:883923772] in Ivanka wan... [t:75623256]...</cite> <quote><cite>justaguy3492 posted...</cite> <quote>Before the election a lot of conservative women (who were still concerned about women's issues that the right seems to ignore) seemed to think that Ivanka would be the voice of reason to the President, that appears to be out the window.</quote> I wondered why that narrative was being pushed so hard, myself. that was presumptuous on a WTF level. but look how many people on this board regurgitated that rhetoric so heavily. I'll never know what that shit was based on other than the blind faith of sheep.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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