Board 8 > ~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 7 - I would have mourned my loss of life

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htaeD posted...

Obellisk posted...

Applause death and scum team. You guys did good in a very lose able sitistion. Really town defeated themselves with shitty play.

yeah I was worried any one of them would ISO me and see the cracks
like Phoenix did

You should have realized that dowolf wasn't going to not vote me. But I understood your hesitation. You stood the best chance at 4.
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Obellisk posted...

Yeah no lynch should have been majority. That confused me.

No lynch only requiring 50% is an extension of NL always winning tiebreakers (Which, afaik, has been a standard rule since before I was playing) - If you have two guys on it that refuse to move, it becomes impossible to lynch, even if you let day expire.
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Obellisk posted...

dowolf posted...

nah, no killing was never the correct play.

but w/e. scum made bad plays, got rewarded. It happens. I stopped caring about this game a week ago, so...

Who's the asshole now...

I'm sorry I assumed people made rational plays throughout the game?

You want to say I was a jerk? Fine. I will maintain to my dying days that scum blocking you and shooting KBM was a terrible play. You claiming day 3 was a terrible play. You hinting power was terrible play. Plum's uses of his power was terrible play. Me getting sick of the game and just wanting to end things was probably terrible play, and I don't give a shit.
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Reg posted...

Obellisk posted...

Yeah no lynch should have been majority. That confused me.

No lynch only requiring 50% is an extension of NL always winning tiebreakers (Which, afaik, has been a standard rule since before I was playing) - If you have two guys on it that refuse to move, it becomes impossible to lynch, even if you let day expire.

Well that does make sense. No arguments here.


Oh and thank you Reg. Truly an enjoyable game if not really frustrating at the end.
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dowolf posted...

Obellisk posted...

dowolf posted...

nah, no killing was never the correct play.

but w/e. scum made bad plays, got rewarded. It happens. I stopped caring about this game a week ago, so...

Who's the asshole now...

I'm sorry I assumed people made rational plays throughout the game?

You want to say I was a jerk? Fine. I will maintain to my dying days that scum blocking you and shooting KBM was a terrible play. You claiming day 3 was a terrible play. You hinting power was terrible play. Plum's uses of his power was terrible play. Me getting sick of the game and just wanting to end things was probably terrible play, and I don't give a shit.

Apology accepted. Next time think outside of the box you create. It opens up a world of possibilities.
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also we willingly took a gamble on not roleblocking KBM, it was risky but thought through
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NL winning tiebreakers automatically was sort of a holdover from the days before we allowed plurality lynch, I think. There's just never been a reason to change it before.
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Obellisk posted...

dowolf posted...

Obellisk posted...

dowolf posted...

nah, no killing was never the correct play.

but w/e. scum made bad plays, got rewarded. It happens. I stopped caring about this game a week ago, so...

Who's the asshole now...

I'm sorry I assumed people made rational plays throughout the game?

You want to say I was a jerk? Fine. I will maintain to my dying days that scum blocking you and shooting KBM was a terrible play. You claiming day 3 was a terrible play. You hinting power was terrible play. Plum's uses of his power was terrible play. Me getting sick of the game and just wanting to end things was probably terrible play, and I don't give a shit.

Apology accepted. Next time think outside of the box you create. It opens up a world of possibilities.

I did think outside the box. That's what got me to conclude you were scum in the first place.

If anything, you might as well accuse me of not thinking inside the box. But then I probably don't get Red lynched, and then we're not here anyways, so...
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and Dowolf you played well
you snuffed out Red
Everything I did was because of cold logic, I didnt mean to annoy anyone
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also I assume the townpower overload was a meta trap for town
Mzero can comment on that when he gets back
but eesh, if we hadnt blocked Sbell or killed the Jailkeeper night1 (also a random shot)
things would have gone bad quickly
nobody on our team (besides me I guess?), could escape scrutiny
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dowolf posted...

NL winning tiebreakers automatically was sort of a holdover from the days before we allowed plurality lynch, I think. There's just never been a reason to change it before.

I mean, removing the rule won't solve a deadlock where two people want to lynch and two don't.

It'll just draw it out to 48 hours

Where NL will win the tiebreaker because the rule for what happens when the tie isn't broken is that day ends in no lynch <_<
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I mean...

I definitely got testy, and I do apologize for that. I just hate to see games go needlessly long. I have played games of Avalon where one of the players sends the perfect set of players pretty early on, and it's like, okay. You accuse that guy of being Merlin, and if he isn't, oh well. Town gets lucky sometimes. Except once, one of the people in the game on the scumteam decided to drag the game on for another 20 minutes for no apparent reason because he thought maybe he could sway someone somehow. That's what it felt like I was in here, except instead of 20 minutes it was a week.
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After you blocked me night 2 and got the kill of on kbm, we're you fully aware of your dumb luck?
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htaeD posted...

also I assume the townpower overload was a meta trap for town
Mzero can comment on that when he gets back
but eesh, if we hadnt blocked Sbell or killed the Jailkeeper night1 (also a random shot)
things would have gone bad quickly
nobody on our team (besides me I guess?), could escape scrutiny

What was it, d3 or so when I straight-up said "Death, are you scum?"

I wish I'd followed up on that more. I put too much stock in Plum's assurances that there just happened to be no scum on Oddity, I think.
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htaeD posted...

also I assume the townpower overload was a meta trap for town
Mzero can comment on that when he gets back
but eesh, if we hadnt blocked Sbell or killed the Jailkeeper night1 (also a random shot)
things would have gone bad quickly
nobody on our team (besides me I guess?), could escape scrutiny

Balance was all me, actually.

The original setup had another vanilla instead of the Jack, but I looked at it, thought Town was slightly weak, and added a jack with three powers that I don't rate highly at one-use (I may be underrating one-use detective in particular, but I'm of the opinion that it's quite weak).

Even as-is though and having seen it in action, I still don't think the setup is worse than 60/40 or so for Town in theory, which brings it closer to 55/45 in practice in my experience. Which is acceptable if not ideal IMO.
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Of course, in the weird and crazy world where I do that, I probably never lynch Red.

You getting on that bus early was a pretty sick play.
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Double-investigator jack is pretty strong, I would say. Most cops wind up claiming by d3 anyways, at which point their ability to do things at night is really limited.
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dowolf posted...

htaeD posted...

also I assume the townpower overload was a meta trap for town
Mzero can comment on that when he gets back
but eesh, if we hadnt blocked Sbell or killed the Jailkeeper night1 (also a random shot)
things would have gone bad quickly
nobody on our team (besides me I guess?), could escape scrutiny

What was it, d3 or so when I straight-up said "Death, are you scum?"

I wish I'd followed up on that more. I put too much stock in Plum's assurances that there just happened to be no scum on Oddity, I think.

yeah you called me out for not voting Red
to be fair to me, I kept forgetting that red was posting at the time (okay ..fair-er to me)
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Reg posted...

dowolf posted...

NL winning tiebreakers automatically was sort of a holdover from the days before we allowed plurality lynch, I think. There's just never been a reason to change it before.

I mean, removing the rule won't solve a deadlock where two people want to lynch and two don't.

It'll just draw it out to 48 hours

Where NL will win the tiebreaker because the rule for what happens when the tie isn't broken is that day ends in no lynch <_<

This game is a lot less frustrating if there weren't multiple days where I don't even post tbqh >_>
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detective was absolutely dangerous for us
it proved that scum had a roleblocker, possibly proving sbell town
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htaeD posted...

dowolf posted...

htaeD posted...

also I assume the townpower overload was a meta trap for town
Mzero can comment on that when he gets back
but eesh, if we hadnt blocked Sbell or killed the Jailkeeper night1 (also a random shot)
things would have gone bad quickly
nobody on our team (besides me I guess?), could escape scrutiny

What was it, d3 or so when I straight-up said "Death, are you scum?"

I wish I'd followed up on that more. I put too much stock in Plum's assurances that there just happened to be no scum on Oddity, I think.

yeah you called me out for not voting Red
to be fair to me, I kept forgetting that red was posting at the time (okay ..fair-er to me)

Was that when I did it? I thought I did it closer to lynch, when I was starting to get cold feet because my argument against Red was pretty flimsy for a d3 lynch.
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dowolf posted...

Of course, in the weird and crazy world where I do that, I probably never lynch Red.

You getting on that bus early was a pretty sick play.

I did hope reds claim would get people off and I did try to make a pass at Scare during
neither took, and sbells vote just looked too bad for me to move to Gravy
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People not believing SBell at a certain point was borderline crazy. Its hard to argue our actions pan out if we weren't roleblocking him(It fell in the possible, but unlikely territory, tbh).
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dowolf posted...

htaeD posted...

dowolf posted...

htaeD posted...

also I assume the townpower overload was a meta trap for town
Mzero can comment on that when he gets back
but eesh, if we hadnt blocked Sbell or killed the Jailkeeper night1 (also a random shot)
things would have gone bad quickly
nobody on our team (besides me I guess?), could escape scrutiny

What was it, d3 or so when I straight-up said "Death, are you scum?"

I wish I'd followed up on that more. I put too much stock in Plum's assurances that there just happened to be no scum on Oddity, I think.

yeah you called me out for not voting Red
to be fair to me, I kept forgetting that red was posting at the time (okay ..fair-er to me)

Was that when I did it? I thought I did it closer to lynch, when I was starting to get cold feet because my argument against Red was pretty flimsy for a d3 lynch.

you did have that Oddity lynch logic later during d3 maybe
I cant remember
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Detective even 1 use is pretty ridiculous

Like say scum makes a vig claim in this setup, and then they find out about a scum assassin...
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dowolf posted...

Double-investigator jack is pretty strong, I would say. Most cops wind up claiming by d3 anyways, at which point their ability to do things at night is really limited.

Yeah. I agree that it was a bit much in retrospect, which falls on me for probably super underrating one-use Detective and Track.

I'd never have given that jack cop or watch though, because those are super valuable even at 1.

dowolf posted...

This game is a lot less frustrating if there weren't multiple days where I don't even post tbqh >_>

While this is true (Though it's not really the point I'm arguing - I'm not a fan of the way Gravy and SBell played the endgame for this exact reason), we'd still be in Day 8 unless the forced extra time changed something (e.g you could convince gravy to lynch)

I'm just saying that removing the NL-wins-ties rule (And by extension, the NL requires 50% instead of 50%+1 rule) would require a fundamental restructuring of tiebreaker rules
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btw I was posting from the car when I was lynched, I wasn't intentionally being inactive.

I also took a peak near deadline just in case I needed to vote somewhere to get out of it(I really shouldn't pull my phone out at work, but I did it just in case).
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VeryInsane posted...

Detective even 1 use is pretty ridiculous

Like say scum makes a vig claim in this setup, and then they find out about a scum assassin...

My thing with it is that you only get three roles. You can't use it to build a bigger picture of the setup, which (IMO) is the value in that role. At one use, I think Detective is infinitely more likely to confirm a player town than catch scum, because in your scenario the jack has no reason to doubt the existence of Town Vig based off his scan
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it was a terribly unfortunate rollout for detective too
2 scumroles and not 1 nilla
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I was pretty sure it was death when one night went too fast and I dont think death could have pm'd so scum no killed for him
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ScareChan posted...

I was pretty sure it was death when one night went too fast and I dont think death could have pm'd so scum no killed for him

Reg would not start a round without death checking in.

ScareChan posted...

I was pretty sure it was death when one night went too fast and I dont think death could have pm'd so scum no killed for him

Nope. Death himself contacted me every single night phase.

This sort of idiotic meta is why I explicitly required every single player to PM me.
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My Immortal posted...

I thought it was dowolf.

GG death.

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My only mess up was bodyguarding VI night one, but even then, I was roleblocked.
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Every night intersected Death's usual waking hours (I was paying attention to that >_>). Also Reg shouldn't allow scum to make decisions for the only living scum but Iunno.
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Death directly PMed each time IIRC

Kinda miss when people actually just look back at the game during MYLO, or could have just taken advantage of no lynching infinitely
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*shrugs* there was a night where it went really quick and that was my feeling on it

everyone I liked as town was scum so not having theright idea about the end game doesnt surprise me either
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ScareChan posted...

*shrugs* there was a night where it went really quick and that was my feeling on it

everyone I liked as town was scum so not having theright idea about the end game doesnt surprise me either

Being wrong is one thing. Being wrong (or right, in this case) because you fundamentally misunderstood the rule is a different thing.
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even if he wouldnt, I would ask my partners to make the action (and demand that there'd be a rule for that)
or lock in night actions before I go to sleep

I shouldnt lose just because I am european
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to be honest I am mostly glad I got to be aggressive scum on day1 and get Chris to join me!
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Not sure if I mentioned this already, but thanks for hosting, Reg, I did enjoy it.

It bothers me a little that there's so much burnout after games. The postgame hostility seems somewhat inevitable. I'm not immune either. Not sure how this can be improved as it makes games hard to put together.
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I dunno I'm ready for another game. I'd even be ok with dowolf playing.
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man most of my hostility was still ingame, technically speaking~

this game is just too much of a commitment, in terms of time and emotion, to play so many games back-to-back nowadays.
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I think people who liked death from pez going after him completely forgot about AFOC

Age of bussing!
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Obellisk posted...

I dunno I'm ready for another game. I'd even be ok with dowolf playing.

Yyh mad woo

Also noooo I wanted happily ever after or at least another month of this silliness

Also man since when am I an n1 kill
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Tom Bombadil posted...

Obellisk posted...

I dunno I'm ready for another game. I'd even be ok with dowolf playing.

Yyh mad woo

Also noooo I wanted happily ever after or at least another month of this silliness

Also man since when am I an n1 kill

since Pez came back
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I was not so secretly hoping sbell was bulletproof sk and that they'd lynch gravy, causing a true draw.

Also biggest scumtell for me, I'd have burned herring to the ground on toms roommate powers, immediately.

As it was i just asked him to see if he could be trusted in a game with scum herring. It was clear he could not.

I've gotten wins lying about my role, alignment and wincon in the past

I tell the truth, I lose

Lesson learned.
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good game guys


that no lynch stuff was dumb though
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