Current Events > Ex-Navy dude KILLS T-gender WOMAN that he was dating. Stabbed HER 119 times..

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Biofighter55
07/27/17 3:30:09 PM
#408:


it was't rape, but let's change things

Let's say the Navy guy, was a biological women, and she had sex with
a man who used to be a woman. she felt violated and deceived by him,
and, well, stabbed him 119 times.

Would any of you feel any different? do you believe he should've disclosed this info
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MysticMismagius
07/27/17 3:30:45 PM
#409:


Biofighter55 posted...
it was't rape, but let's change things

Let's say the Navy guy, was a biological women, and she had sex with
a man who used to be a woman. she felt violated and deceived by him,
and, well, stabbed him 119 times.

Would any of you feel any different?
No.
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Zeeak4444
07/27/17 3:31:52 PM
#410:


MysticMismagius posted...
Biofighter55 posted...
it was't rape, but let's change things

Let's say the Navy guy, was a biological women, and she had sex with
a man who used to be a woman. she felt violated and deceived by him,
and, well, stabbed him 119 times.

Would any of you feel any different?
No.


Ya lol idk who would...
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PIITB415
07/27/17 3:33:16 PM
#411:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
RockRapDubstep posted...
Having sex with someone who doesn't disclose something like that should be considered rape tbh. And I'm not going to lose sleep over a dead rapist.

That's the same as saying a woman is raping a man if she doesn't disclose that she can't have children, or has had her tubes tied.


Literally isn't.
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Biofighter55
07/27/17 3:35:22 PM
#412:


Zeeak4444 posted...
MysticMismagius posted...
Biofighter55 posted...
it was't rape, but let's change things

Let's say the Navy guy, was a biological women, and she had sex with
a man who used to be a woman. she felt violated and deceived by him,
and, well, stabbed him 119 times.

Would any of you feel any different?
No.


Ya lol idk who would...


Some people might feel different if it was reverse, plus I
forgot do you think he should've disclosed that info?
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Zeeak4444
07/27/17 3:39:14 PM
#413:


Biofighter55 posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
MysticMismagius posted...
Biofighter55 posted...
it was't rape, but let's change things

Let's say the Navy guy, was a biological women, and she had sex with
a man who used to be a woman. she felt violated and deceived by him,
and, well, stabbed him 119 times.

Would any of you feel any different?
No.


Ya lol idk who would...


Some people might feel different if it was reverse, plus I
forgot do you think he should've disclosed that info?


I'm sure they're probably is a few ya.

I'm completely indifferent to it. I wouldn't set myself in an opinion on the matter without having been able to see it play out.

Far too many variable that aren't touched on in any article for me to hold an opinon on it.
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Barenziah Boy Toy
07/27/17 3:39:15 PM
#414:


PIITB415 posted...
Literally isn't.

Literally is.
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Haldol
07/27/17 3:39:29 PM
#415:


OpheliaAdenade posted...
Haldol posted...
You can go there for acting like this guys rigjt don't matter He was raped.


He wasn't raped. :u Not even admiral, the king of the CE conservatives, thinks he was raped.

I don't care what The Admiral thinks.

He was raped
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Zeeak4444
07/27/17 3:41:38 PM
#417:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
PIITB415 posted...
Literally isn't.

Literally is.


Ya because you haven't shown yourself to be completely biased and unreasonable or anything.
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Haldol
07/27/17 3:42:58 PM
#418:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
So you obviously disagree with the ruling on the lady that tricked her friend into sex by pretending to be a man and doing everything blindfolded then right? I mean they both consented by the same standards since the perception never changed until the reveal.

False.

A) The blind woman would only have sex with Man X, and no one else, and Man X knows that.

B) The transgender woman does NOT know who the guy would or would not fuck. She has no idea what the guy is or isn't willing to fuck.

Bullshit

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Barenziah Boy Toy
07/27/17 3:46:54 PM
#419:


Haldol posted...
She knows most guys do not want to fuck other men

a) They're not men.
b) Most guys =/= ALL guys.
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Zeeak4444
07/27/17 3:48:42 PM
#420:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
Haldol posted...
She knows most guys do not want to fuck other men

a) They're not men.
b) Most guys =/= ALL guys.


Do you actually believe this to be a good argument lol?

Some shoddy ass logic if we'd even call it logic.
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hollow_shrine
07/27/17 3:54:08 PM
#421:


I see I'm just in time to watch the dying embers of this shitstorm. Let me take a side in some mess. Ah:


Zeeak4444 posted...
Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
Haldol posted...
She knows most guys do not want to fuck other men

a) They're not men.
b) Most guys =/= ALL guys.


Do you actually believe this to be a good argument lol?

Some shoddy ass logic if we'd even call it logic.

Assuming words still mean things, I don't think there's much there to confuse. Transwomen are not men and by definition, 'most' is specifically not 'all.'

Continue.
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Questionmarktarius
07/27/17 3:54:08 PM
#422:


If anything, I'm impressed by a medical examiner who can find 119 stab wounds.
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Zeeak4444
07/27/17 3:58:50 PM
#423:


hollow_shrine posted...
I see I'm just in time to watch the dying embers of this shitstorm. Let me take a side in some mess. Ah:


Zeeak4444 posted...
Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
Haldol posted...
She knows most guys do not want to fuck other men

a) They're not men.
b) Most guys =/= ALL guys.


Do you actually believe this to be a good argument lol?

Some shoddy ass logic if we'd even call it logic.

Assuming words still mean things, I don't think there's much there to confuse. Transwomen are not men and by definition, 'most' is specifically not 'all.'

Continue.


So a small minority might wanna fuck a trans so all people should be considered open to the idea until they specifically deny it? Lol, really...
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Barenziah Boy Toy
07/27/17 4:05:44 PM
#424:


Zeeak4444 posted...
So a small minority might wanna fuck a trans so all people should be considered open to the idea until they specifically deny it? Lol, really...

I'm not going to judge or assume if someone wants to fuck a trans- or not. So it's up to the trans-hater to inform me. It's not my responsibility to assume that you don't like trans-people.
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hollow_shrine
07/27/17 4:05:54 PM
#425:


Zeeak4444 posted...
So a small minority might wanna fuck a trans so all people should be considered open to the idea until they specifically deny it? Lol, really...

I think you've forgotten what you're talking about. Let's jog your memory.

B) The transgender woman does NOT know who the guy would or would not fuck. She has no idea what the guy is or isn't willing to fuck.

This is the post you're paraphrasing. Would you say your post is an accurate summary of these ideas?
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Zeeak4444
07/27/17 4:10:01 PM
#426:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
So a small minority might wanna fuck a trans so all people should be considered open to the idea until they specifically deny it? Lol, really...

I'm not going to judge or assume if someone wants to fuck a trans- or not. So it's up to the trans-hater to inform me. It's not my responsibility to assume that you don't like trans-people.


So what was your point that most=\=all...
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Zeeak4444
07/27/17 4:11:43 PM
#427:


hollow_shrine posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
So a small minority might wanna fuck a trans so all people should be considered open to the idea until they specifically deny it? Lol, really...

I think you've forgotten what you're talking about. Let's jog your memory.

B) The transgender woman does NOT know who the guy would or would not fuck. She has no idea what the guy is or isn't willing to fuck.

This is the post you're paraphrasing. Would you say your post is an accurate summary of these ideas?


It terms of justifying her presumption in this situation exclusively (conviently leaving out point A) sure, I think it's a poor justification from a logical standpoint.

The problem i had with it is that you can't claim A without evidence than claim B which is the exact opposite for all intents and purposes on the same grounds..
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Barenziah Boy Toy
07/27/17 4:12:46 PM
#428:


Zeeak4444 posted...
So what was your point that most=\=all...

The blind woman rejects ALL PEOPLE, except Person X for sex. And Person X knows that, and therefore has a duty to inform.

Whereas, NOT ALL HETERO-MEN reject trans-persons for sex. Therefore, trans-persons do not have to assume that this particular hetero dude will reject her. Therefore, there is no duty to inform.
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Zeeak4444
07/27/17 4:15:10 PM
#429:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
So what was your point that most=\=all...

The blind woman rejects ALL PEOPLE, except Person X for sex. And Person X knows that, and therefore has a duty to inform.

Whereas, NOT ALL HETERO-MEN reject trans-persons for sex. Therefore, trans-persons do not have to assume that this particular hetero dude will reject her. Therefore, there is no duty to inform.


Where did the blind women state that though?

Or are you making up a hypothetical situation? If that's the case, what's the difference. Both were perceiving someone a specific way which turned out to be incorrect. Punish both or neither. Just be consistent.
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Barenziah Boy Toy
07/27/17 4:21:11 PM
#430:


Zeeak4444 posted...
Where did the blind women state that though?

During their time together in a committed relationship. Was she fucking other guys while she was dating Person X? Did she, at any time, express sexual interest in Person X's brother/friend, after meeting him?
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BigSLM1993
07/27/17 4:21:40 PM
#431:


This is a pretty divisive issue even in the trans community. And I've spoken to trans people who think you should let the person know and those who feel it should be irrelevant. So it's not like just the cis gender community has issues / debates on this. We spoke on this in my college LGBTQ club.

I think for the safety of the trans person they should divulge this information, especially if they plan to have a long lasting relationship with a person. End of the day they are not cis gender women and certain experiences a man can only have with a cisgender woman partner. It would also save the trans person time from partners that feel that issue would be a deal breaker down the line.

However, I think what this murderer did was completely abhorrent and he should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.
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Zeeak4444
07/27/17 5:12:34 PM
#432:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
Where did the blind women state that though?

During their time together in a committed relationship. Was she fucking other guys while she was dating Person X? Did she, at any time, express sexual interest in Person X's brother/friend, after meeting him?


What the fuck lol.

This isn't worth addressing.
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Barenziah Boy Toy
07/27/17 5:26:46 PM
#433:


BigSLM1993 posted...
I think for the safety of the trans person they should divulge this information, especially if they plan to have a long lasting relationship with a person. End of the day they are not cis gender women and certain experiences a man can only have with a cisgender woman partner. It would also save the trans person time from partners that feel that issue would be a deal breaker down the line.

Yes, we all agree, that from a public safety issue. Trans-people SHOULD inform, because there are A LOT of violent bigots out there. But no, they don't have a legal duty to inform.
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KStateKing17
07/27/17 6:51:02 PM
#434:


I'm not going to reread everything from my last post, but I'll say even if it's not legal to do it, it's best to let your partners know even if it's just a hookup. I'd rather be honest and alive without getting sex, than dead because someone found me out afterwards. It's just not worth it.
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Delirious_Beard
07/27/17 6:55:56 PM
#435:


how the fuck do you stab someone 119 times

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MysticMismagius
07/27/17 6:56:41 PM
#436:


Delirious_Beard posted...
how the fuck do you stab someone 119 times

lunatic
With effort.
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Bad_Mojo
07/27/17 7:21:47 PM
#437:


If you've had a sex change, I think you should tell your partner before things get hot and heavy like that. There are still a number of people that believe in God and now think they could be going to hell.

It's the same thing with how meat is prepared or how the animal is killed in some restaurants. You can be sued if you give someone of Muslim faith something that has touched meat so why shouldn't there be a similar thing for sex?

With that said, fuck that guy that stabbed and killed her. He should go to jail for life
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OpheliaAdenade
07/27/17 7:23:32 PM
#438:


Bad_Mojo posted...
If you've had a sex change, I think you should tell your partner before things get hot and heavy like that. There are still a number of people that believe in God and now think they could be going to hell.


if you're hooking up with people to begin with God wasn't happy. :v God wants you to wait for marriage.
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Bad_Mojo
07/27/17 7:25:10 PM
#439:


OpheliaAdenade posted...
if you're hooking up with people to begin with God wasn't happy. :v God wants you to wait for marriage.


Oh, I know. Trust me, I am not one of these people, lol
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Deadpool_18
07/27/17 7:25:26 PM
#440:


Bunch of insecure people in here projecting like a mother fucker. If you're planning on getting serious with someone, you owe them that information. Plain and simple. To hell with your feelings or concerns. A relationship is about two people. Not just you, you selfish ass.
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Deadpool_18
07/27/17 7:25:45 PM
#441:


PIITB415 posted...
Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
RockRapDubstep posted...
Having sex with someone who doesn't disclose something like that should be considered rape tbh. And I'm not going to lose sleep over a dead rapist.

That's the same as saying a woman is raping a man if she doesn't disclose that she can't have children, or has had her tubes tied.


Literally isn't.

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LittleRoyal
07/27/17 7:27:09 PM
#442:


Deadpool_18 posted...
PIITB415 posted...
Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
RockRapDubstep posted...
Having sex with someone who doesn't disclose something like that should be considered rape tbh. And I'm not going to lose sleep over a dead rapist.

That's the same as saying a woman is raping a man if she doesn't disclose that she can't have children, or has had her tubes tied.


Literally isn't.

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Barenziah Boy Toy
07/27/17 7:36:25 PM
#443:


Bunch of insecure people in here projecting like a mother fucker. If you're planning on getting serious with someone, you owe them that information.

Who said that they were planning to get serious?
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OpheliaAdenade
07/27/17 7:38:16 PM
#444:


Honestly, you guys had better watch out if this bothers you so much. :u Surgery is getting better and better everyday. It is just going to get harder and harder to tell as time goes on. Voice training, hormones, heavy face powder, etc. You might have already slept with a secret transsexual without even knowing it!

And what if you've had a few beers? Like shooting fish in a barrel:


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Zeeak4444
07/27/17 7:41:00 PM
#445:


OpheliaAdenade posted...
Honestly, you guys had better watch out if this bothers you so much. :u Surgery is getting better and better everyday. It is just going to get harder and harder to tell as time goes on. Voice training, hormones, heavy face powder, etc. You might have already slept with a secret transsexual without even knowing it!

And what if you've had a few beers? Like shooting fish in a barrel:



Let's arrogantly divide everyone further because that always garners support for our cause!

Solid strat.
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Deadpool_18
07/27/17 7:42:15 PM
#446:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
Bunch of insecure people in here projecting like a mother fucker. If you're planning on getting serious with someone, you owe them that information.

Who said that they were planning to get serious?


...the original article was about a boyfriend and girlfriend. I'd call that serious.
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OpheliaAdenade
07/27/17 7:43:38 PM
#447:


Zeeak4444 posted...
Let's arrogantly divide everyone further because that always garners support for our cause!

Solid strat.


You've already got people in this thread justifying the woman's death. :u I'd say the line has been drawn already. I'm just pointing out how likely it is for karma to catch up with them at some point.
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EverDownward
07/27/17 7:45:50 PM
#448:


Conflict posted...
Transgenders should always reveal their sex before they get in bed.

This so much. Be courteous and always tell your potential partner before hand, otherwise very tragic outcomes like this one can happen. A woman is dead, and this man will likely die in prison. All this could have been avoided had she just told him before hand.
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Barenziah Boy Toy
07/27/17 7:46:03 PM
#449:


Deadpool_18 posted...
...the original article was about a boyfriend and girlfriend. I'd call that serious.

Read again, liar.
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Deadpool_18
07/27/17 7:46:28 PM
#450:


OpheliaAdenade posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
Let's arrogantly divide everyone further because that always garners support for our cause!

Solid strat.


You've already got people in this thread justifying the woman's death. :u I'd say the line has been drawn already. I'm just pointing out how likely it is for karma to catch up with them at some point.


No one is justifying her death.
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Barenziah Boy Toy
07/27/17 7:46:33 PM
#451:


EverDownward posted...
All this could have been avoided had she just told him before hand.

Says who? He could've just as easily killed her if he found out before having sex.
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Deadpool_18
07/27/17 7:46:57 PM
#452:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
Deadpool_18 posted...
...the original article was about a boyfriend and girlfriend. I'd call that serious.

Read again, liar.


What do you think "dating" means?
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OpheliaAdenade
07/27/17 7:49:24 PM
#453:


Deadpool_18 posted...
OpheliaAdenade posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
Let's arrogantly divide everyone further because that always garners support for our cause!

Solid strat.


You've already got people in this thread justifying the woman's death. :u I'd say the line has been drawn already. I'm just pointing out how likely it is for karma to catch up with them at some point.


No one is justifying her death.


Have you noticed the deleted posts in the early pages of this thread? :u Those ones were. That's why they got deleted.
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Steve Nick
07/27/17 7:49:27 PM
#454:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
EverDownward posted...
All this could have been avoided had she just told him before hand.

Says who? He could've just as easily killed her if he found out before having sex.



Man you're delusional.
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Zeeak4444
07/27/17 7:50:08 PM
#455:


OpheliaAdenade posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
Let's arrogantly divide everyone further because that always garners support for our cause!

Solid strat.


You've already got people in this thread justifying the woman's death. :u I'd say the line has been drawn already. I'm just pointing out how likely it is for karma to catch up with them at some point.


Ya but those are clearly the minority. Like not even worth letting get to you because you'll only torpedo your own cause.
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Barenziah Boy Toy
07/27/17 7:51:25 PM
#456:


Deadpool_18 posted...
What do you think "dating" means?

Dating means dating. It could be casual, it could be a fling, it could be serious. The article specifically states that the only met ONCE.

Serious means serious.

Are you in the fucking 50s?
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Deadpool_18
07/27/17 7:53:25 PM
#457:


OpheliaAdenade posted...
Deadpool_18 posted...
OpheliaAdenade posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
Let's arrogantly divide everyone further because that always garners support for our cause!

Solid strat.


You've already got people in this thread justifying the woman's death. :u I'd say the line has been drawn already. I'm just pointing out how likely it is for karma to catch up with them at some point.


No one is justifying her death.


Have you noticed the deleted posts in the early pages of this thread? :u Those ones were. That's why they got deleted.


Do you have screenshots or are you using posts that are no longer available for viewing as a scapegoat for your argument?
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