Current Events > Trump administration will not allow trans people to serve in military

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Steve Nick posted...

Being gay and being transgender aren't the same thing

A gay man is generally a completely normal and healthy human being, that happens to like sticking it in dudes. That's just a preference, and it doesn't necessarily reflect their identity as a whole.

Transgenderism implies that the person has fundamental mental issues even understanding who they are. On top of the strife caused by their identity crisis, they are often taking powerful medications and having surgeries, etc.

You really can't compare these two things.


One of these things causes a big problem for the military. One doesn't.

Good job ignoring the struggles gays have in their lives to openly show who they are or to even learn to accept they aren't straight. Not to mention all the harassment they have to endure. It's not like being into blondes or any simple preference straight people have.

A trans is generally a completely normal and healthy human being, that happens to feel like the opposite sex. They prefer to be that sex. But here come people like you calling it a disorder just because most need medication to help them get those physical properties. Do body builders who take steroids have a disorder? No. They choose that method for the best results.

Steve Nick posted...

Well, transgenderism people want to BE something that they are not. There's no amount of acceptance from me or anyone else that can make someone born as a man be a real woman. They're just always gonna be unhappy if that's their goal.

And if gender roles weren't so enforced, would the discomfort be as bad? (Note, this isn't a question you have the answer to, because you don't really know what it's like to be trans or to have gender dysphoria)
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Mal_Fet posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Asserting that transition doesn't help was the unsubstantiated shit. I am fully aware that trans people have a higher suicide rate than the general population and there are a multitude of factors to that.

Transitioning, at best, reduces the likelihood of suicide of transpeople to 25 times the suicide rate of the general public.

You're so full of it. What's next, you gonna fight for people with flat feet to join the military?

Yup
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https://twitter.com/ananavarro/status/890239341573939202

McCain puts out a statement. Could be either for or against basing what he determined "medically fit" to be. But it's still a knock at Trump.

The Great Muta 22 posted...

Howl posted...

I love how liberals always say shit like the military is spending way too much, but when the military decides that it doesn't want to spend untold amounts of money for people to have expensive hormone treatments and surgeries then it's fuck the cost all the sudden.

.009% of the budget. Oh the horror!

.009% of 593 billion is over 5 billion dollars. Not so small a number when math is actually involved.
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Are female soldiers allowed to be on birth control?

Yeah government bodies cutting/blocking something that's like 0.001% of their budget and citing budget reasons is essentially a "fuck you"

Rexdragon125 posted...

Yeah government bodies cutting/blocking something that's like 0.001% of their budget and citing budget reasons is essentially a "fuck you"

Not even close.

Howl posted...

The Great Muta 22 posted...

Howl posted...

I love how liberals always say shit like the military is spending way too much, but when the military decides that it doesn't want to spend untold amounts of money for people to have expensive hormone treatments and surgeries then it's fuck the cost all the sudden.

.009% of the budget. Oh the horror!

.009% of 593 billion is over 5 billion dollars. Not so small a number when math is actually involved.

Oh sweet summer child
https://twitter.com/cnn/status/890239165669023745

Also 0.009 PERCENT of that number is 53,370,000 a little bit smaller number when math is actually involved

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Howl posted...

The Great Muta 22 posted...

Howl posted...

I love how liberals always say shit like the military is spending way too much, but when the military decides that it doesn't want to spend untold amounts of money for people to have expensive hormone treatments and surgeries then it's fuck the cost all the sudden.

.009% of the budget. Oh the horror!

.009% of 593 billion is over 5 billion dollars. Not so small a number when math is actually involved.

No it's not.

It's still a lot of money.

math is hard
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Aaaaand nothing of value was lost
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Trump continuing to take the country backwards.
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OpheliaAdenade posted...

math is hard

Lol now it's just "its a lot of money". He would have said the same even if it was 10k

Wait, idk why I deleted my post.

593b * .009% is 593b * (.009/100). I accidentally did the same thing he did rofl.
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SSJ-JohnLennon posted...

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Howl posted...

The Great Muta 22 posted...

Howl posted...

I love how liberals always say shit like the military is spending way too much, but when the military decides that it doesn't want to spend untold amounts of money for people to have expensive hormone treatments and surgeries then it's fuck the cost all the sudden.

.009% of the budget. Oh the horror!

.009% of 593 billion is over 5 billion dollars. Not so small a number when math is actually involved.

No it's not.

It's still a lot of money.

About as strong an argument as calling UCLA a biased source when you post redstate links.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

About as strong an argument as calling UCLA a biased source when you post redstate links.

it is when you consider the budget, healthcare itself is like 53 billion, it's taking from that 53billion not 593billion. Only some extremely ignorant individuals see a 593 billion budget and assume all that goes into something.
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CEs_EFG posted...

sktgamer_13dude posted...

About as strong an argument as calling UCLA a biased source when you post redstate links.

it is when you consider the budget, healthcare itself is like 53 billion, it's taking from that 53billion not 593billion. Only some extremely ignorant individuals see a 593 billion budget and assume all that goes into something.

So .009% of 53b?

You're only making the number smaller.

Again; if someone can pass the tests to join a branch of the military, they should be able to be allowed to join. There's literally no excuse. Especially when transgenders are already serving in the military.

I do like how literally the entire right ignored all of Antifar's posts though. Maybe it's because they're all true?
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Fair, next.

The only thing we need to do to fix this is have Rupaul meet with Donald and talk to him. He'll make Don understand.
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OpheliaAdenade posted...

The only thing we need to do to fix this is have Rupaul meet with Donald and talk to him. He'll make Don understand.

Rupaul is a drag queen. He's not transgender lol

sktgamer_13dude posted...

So .009% of 53b?

You're only making the number smaller.

no that's stupidity, did you totally ignore my post where that number meant absolute shit?

sktgamer_13dude posted...

I do like how literally the entire right ignored all of Antifar's posts though. Maybe it's because they're all true?

and not just the right but everyone ignored Antifar's post lmao his shit was weak
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

I do like how literally the entire right ignored all of Antifar's posts though. Maybe it's because they're all true?

Not to mention that transgender individuals already would be examined and could be restricted from serving unless the condition is wavered. So a blanket ban is just frivolous bullshit meant to rile up his base, period.

Psychosexual Conditions
The causes for rejection for appointment, enlistment, and induction are transsexualism, exhibitionism, transvestitism, voyeurism, and other paraphilias.

http://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/disqualifiers-medical-conditions.html
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

Not to mention that transgender individuals already would be examined and could be restricted from serving unless the condition is wavered. So a blanket ban is just frivolous bulls*** meant to rile up his base, period.

Then why are you bitching about it?
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CruelBuffalo posted...

OpheliaAdenade posted...

The only thing we need to do to fix this is have Rupaul meet with Donald and talk to him. He'll make Don understand.

Rupaul is a drag queen. He's not transgender lol

I know that. But he represents the entire LGBT spectrum. He's like their leader. If Trump talked to him he could turn him into a true LGBT ally. Trump agrees with whoever spoke to him last after all.
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Sayoria posted...

The Admiral posted...

Sayoria posted...

I dunno.

You don't know what happens if transitioned transgender people don't have access to hormone treatments for extended periods? I think you do. The results are potentially fatal:
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/transgender-prisoners-hormones-seen-matter-life-death-6C10981031

Grow some fucking balls and stop browning your nose on every single matter.

Not sure where the brown nosing comes into play. This is not a conservative stance; it's a rational one.

Are you really comparing the glory of fighting for the country to prison and confinement?

Unlike prisoners, militants enlisted to fight this out. Many go in not expecting to transition and many still come out proudly non-transitioned. Prisoners hold no freedom or control over their situation. Militants still have their freedoms on a different level.

Again, how many transgender people have caused issues while in the military? How many snapped and killed others? How many outted ones killed themselves?

Your stance is very conservative. If it was rational, you'd have a study based on military issues with transgender people, not bullshit from prison where they are outright neglected as humans at times.

Not sure if u answered this, but what about the money issue? That's my main problem, and it does validate this decision.
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CEs_EFG posted...

and not just the right but everyone ignored Antifar's post lmao his shit was weak

"Facts are weak!"

CEs_EFG posted...

no that's stupidity, did you totally ignore my post where that number meant absolute shit?

Because you're arguing that it'll cost a lot of money for the military to allow transgenders in. That's fucking laughable and you know it.

Citing the military's healthcare budget and being like "see! it's so much!" doesn't mean anything. Any money the military would be spending would be a literal drop in a bucket for them. You're acting as if each transgendered person would be costing the military billions of dollars or something.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

"Facts are weak!"

No lol, because his shit was dumb as fuck you're the only one ignorant enough to actually quote someone after he ran away himself lmaooo

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Because you're arguing that it'll cost a lot of money for the military to allow transgenders in. That's f***ing laughable and you know it.

That's insane...

https://heatst.com/life/gender-reassignment-cost/

According to multiple sources, the price of basic genital reassignment surgery (or genital reconstruction surgery) for a man transitioning to a woman ranges from $7,000 for a simple orchiectomy and vaginoplasty to $25,000 for orchiectomy and the more complicated colovaginoplasty. This is often, but not always, followed up by breast augmentation, which can run anywhere from $5,000 to $10,000. That’s a total average high of $35,000, but estimates for the two procedures combined have ranged from $10,000 to upwards of $50,000.

and not only that, the soldier is not only just getting the surgery. He's getting the base military pay, ridiculous amounts of off time and convalescent leave and also the Soldier won't deploy for longer than a year, and the regular hormone treatments. All this for someone who already has a 40% chance to be more suicidal than anyone else.

Yes it's a waste of money that the military health care budget simply shouldn't even have. Again the budget is 53billion. You can bitch and whine and cry to your mom about how much the military get but insurance for all military, injuries, insurance, behavioral health care, and insurance for their families all come from that 53billion. Which is even crazier considering that the healthcare also effects combat care too. Which means the guys at Fort Sam trying out new tools for combat casualty care get a slice of that pie too. So yes that's an amount of money that simply should not be used

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Citing the military's healthcare budget and being like "see! it's so much!" doesn't mean anything. Any money the military would be spending would be a literal drop in a bucket for them. You're acting as if each transgendered person would be costing the military billions of dollars or something.

that's something a dumbass teenager who doesn't understand how budgeting in any type of big organization work
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Any money the military would be spending would be a literal drop in a bucket for them. You're acting as if each transgendered person would be costing the military billions of dollars or something.

Here
https://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/03/12/how-health-care-spending-strains-the-u-s-military/#3d1481a52c54

Enlighten yourself

The $52.5 billion in requested DoD health spending for FY 2012 can be broken down into three parts: $32.2 billion for the Defense Health Program, a.k.a. TRICARE, which provides health care for active-duty service members; $10.7 billion for TRICARE for Life, a Medicare supplemental insurance program for military retirees; and a mish-mash of other stuff, including military hospitals and pay for military health-care workers. Overall, the program covers 9.6 million Americans.

there's a reallyyyy good reason Congress threatens to get rid of military health care overall. Saying some bullshit like "wow it's only 9.7% of the overall military budget is probably one of the dumbest things I've read in a while. It's not as easy as "Oh let me go borrow some more money from tanks and guns and put into healthcare" it's a huge congress battle that makes a lot of people angry as fuck
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Vertania posted...

LightningAce11 posted...

Didn't he say he would support the lgbt?

Yes. He just didn't specify he would in the military.

Pretty sure he hasn't been supporting them anywhere.

CEs_EFG posted...

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Any money the military would be spending would be a literal drop in a bucket for them. You're acting as if each transgendered person would be costing the military billions of dollars or something.

Here
https://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/03/12/how-health-care-spending-strains-the-u-s-military/#3d1481a52c54

Enlighten yourself

The $52.5 billion in requested DoD health spending for FY 2012 can be broken down into three parts: $32.2 billion for the Defense Health Program, a.k.a. TRICARE, which provides health care for active-duty service members; $10.7 billion for TRICARE for Life, a Medicare supplemental insurance program for military retirees; and a mish-mash of other stuff, including military hospitals and pay for military health-care workers. Overall, the program covers 9.6 million Americans.

there's a reallyyyy good reason Congress threatens to get rid of military health care overall. Saying some bullshit like "wow it's only 9.7% of the overall military budget is probably one of the dumbest things I've read in a while. It's not as easy as "Oh let me go borrow some more money from tanks and guns and put into healthcare" it's a huge congress battle that makes a lot of people angry as fuck

You're using 2012 numbers and implying that it's an issue.

It's only an issue because Trump said it. It hasn't been an issue for years. Transgenders have been serving for years, without issue. You didn't care then and you only care now because "take that liberals!"
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

You're using 2012 numbers and implying that it's an issue.

Ugh... the numbers probably haven't changed that much gotta be reallllll ignorant to believe they have

sktgamer_13dude posted...

It's only an issue because Trump said it. It hasn't been an issue for years. Transgenders have been serving for years, without issue. You didn't care then and you only care now because "take that liberals!"

this is pure raw stupidity, the military was going to start paying for surgeries and treatment for transgenders. This has been going on for about 6 months. Goes to show how you have 0 idea what the fuck you're talking about
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CEs_EFG posted...

this is pure raw stupidity, the military was going to start paying for surgeries and treatment for transgenders. This has been going on for about 6 months. Goes to show how you have 0 idea what the fuck you're talking about

And where was the bitching then? You're only bitching because Trump is bitching about it.

"using facts is showing you have 0 idea what you're talking about."

Just cause you bold things doesn't make them any more true rofl
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

And where was the b****ing then? You're only b****ing because Trump is b****ing about it.

there was tons of bitching you have no idea what you're talking about it's like you just all this a few hours ago lmao...... I'm extremely happy Trump did this MAGA

sktgamer_13dude posted...

"using facts is showing you have 0 idea what you're talking about."

the fuck are you even talking about? I just proved to you that it was going to cost a shit ton for the military

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Just cause you bold things doesn't make them any more true rofl

are you a child? You're bitching hard about big bad Trump taking away muh rights! This is exactly why I voted for Trump.

Your tears are amazing
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

And where was the b****ing then? You're only b****ing because Trump is b****ing about it.

You're only bitching because Trump is bitching!!




also it's not bitching if you're winning
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Honestly, I am not surprised at all. The military is just treating healthcare like America at large does.

"If you aren't cost-effective, then go away".
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hockeybub89 posted...

Honestly, I am not surprised at all. The military is just treating healthcare like America at large does.

"If you aren't cost-effective, then go away".

This is a dishonest post.

--Zero- posted...

If they were allowed in the military then it would cause a very big issue with the ones enlisted.

As of yesterday, they were allowed in the military.
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Antifar posted...

--Zero- posted...

If they were allowed in the military then it would cause a very big issue with the ones enlisted.

As of yesterday, they were allowed in the military.

And it was causing issues.

Antifar posted...

As of yesterday, they were allowed in the military.

with a waiver
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It's pretty fucking sad that people are defending this so hard. It's shit. Trump is shit.
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CEs_EFG posted...

there was tons of bitching you have no idea what you're talking about it's like you just all this a few hours ago lmao...... I'm extremely happy Trump did this MAGA

No there wasn't rofl.

Show me where people were bitching about this before today.

CEs_EFG posted...

the fuck are you even talking about? I just proved to you that it was going to cost a shit ton for the military

"HEALTHCARE FOR THE MILITARY IS 53 BILLION! SEE, TRANSGENDERS FUCK OVER THE MILITARY BUDGET!"

rofl, that's not showing anything. Literal thousands of dollars for a few people is a drop in the bucket for the military budget. You're implying the costs will be higher than they really will be.

CEs_EFG posted...

are you a child? You're bitching hard about big bad Trump taking away muh rights! This is exactly why I voted for Trump.

Your tears are amazing

"Hey guys I'm totally not trolling!"

Dude, give me a break. All I said was that anyone who passes the tests should be able to serve. Sorry that upsets you so much.
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SSJ-JohnLennon posted...

Antifar posted...

--Zero- posted...

If they were allowed in the military then it would cause a very big issue with the ones enlisted.

As of yesterday, they were allowed in the military.

And it was causing issues.

lmao no it wasn't.
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ZMythos posted...

It's pretty fucking sad that people are defending this so hard. It's shit. Trump is shit.

It's pretty sad that people are freaking out over nothing and not listening to reason because it doesn't line up with their agenda.

what is the point of this besides being a comical spiteful move?
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How is not letting transgenders in the military 'nothing'?
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Read through the topic, and wasn't surprised

Your typical apathetic conservatives who don't care about anything or anyone but themselves (and the occasional white Christian male) are fully behind this

and the rest of the people are wondering what the point of it is, because it accomplishes absolutely nothing but ostracizing LGBT, and that's it.
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Bullet_Wing posted...

Baffles me why anyone would want to serve under our coward of a Commander in Chief who dodged the draft to begin with.

Because you can still love your country regardless of who its leader is
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