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DumbQuestion
07/22/17 2:19:47 PM
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Menardi
07/22/17 2:21:34 PM
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Because he hadn't been humbled in the first season.
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yusiko
07/22/17 2:22:07 PM
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i think they should show his dick on the show
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DarthAragorn
07/22/17 2:22:57 PM
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He wasn't, really

Pushing Bran out the window was shitty sure but he didn't have much of a choice, and attacking Ned in the streets was understandable considering what Catelyn did
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AverageDude9
07/22/17 2:23:56 PM
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Menardi posted...
Because he hadn't been humbled in the first season.
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Gafemage
07/22/17 2:25:57 PM
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yusiko posted...
i think they should show his dick on the show

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DumbQuestion
07/22/17 2:26:07 PM
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DuranOfForcena posted...
he's the toast of an entire generation, the son of the most powerful man in the whole realm and regarded as one of the greatest swordsmen who has ever lived, and he is constantly made aware of these things. why the fuck wouldn't he be a huge dick?

so getting his hand cut off humbled him?
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MJ_Max
07/22/17 2:26:59 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
Pushing Bran out the window was shitty sure but he didn't have much of a choice

L M A O
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DarthAragorn
07/22/17 2:28:05 PM
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MJ_Max posted...
DarthAragorn posted...
Pushing Bran out the window was shitty sure but he didn't have much of a choice

L M A O

I mean he had a choice but it was basically "kill kid" or "let Cersei and myself be executed"
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EffectAndCause
07/22/17 2:28:06 PM
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DumbQuestion posted...
DuranOfForcena posted...
he's the toast of an entire generation, the son of the most powerful man in the whole realm and regarded as one of the greatest swordsmen who has ever lived, and he is constantly made aware of these things. why the fuck wouldn't he be a huge dick?

so getting his hand cut off humbled him?


Correct.

Dude was literally living the perfect life before that. Known as the most rich, handsome and skilled swordsmen and knight in the seven kingdoms.
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DarthAragorn
07/22/17 2:29:01 PM
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EffectAndCause posted...
DumbQuestion posted...
DuranOfForcena posted...
he's the toast of an entire generation, the son of the most powerful man in the whole realm and regarded as one of the greatest swordsmen who has ever lived, and he is constantly made aware of these things. why the fuck wouldn't he be a huge dick?

so getting his hand cut off humbled him?


Correct.

Dude was literallt living the perfect life before that. Known as the most rich, handsome and skilled swordsmen and knight in the seven kingdoms.

Other than the fact that plenty of people hated him for the best thing he ever did.
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DumbQuestion
07/22/17 2:29:18 PM
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DuranOfForcena posted...
DumbQuestion posted...
so getting his hand cut off humbled him?

it was his sword hand. he was that hand. he acknowledges this in the show. it's a loss of personal identity and the realization that he has to be something else, or he'll be nothing. it was the source of a lot more character motivation and much more profound change in personality and outlook in the books. in the show it is a bigger source of comedic diversion than any of that. but yes, in both mediums, it humbled him.

What about meeting that tall lady too? did she also have some influence into his new personality change?
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Blackstar110
07/22/17 2:30:30 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
He wasn't, really

Pushing Bran out the window was shitty sure but he didn't have much of a choice, and attacking Ned in the streets was understandable considering what Catelyn did

Let's not pretend he tearfully pushed Bran out the window to protect his beloved sister in a moment of turmoil.

He 100% casually shoved a small child out a window to his presumed death, complete with sarcastic quip, because he got caught banging his sister

How was he NOT a dick?
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Menardi
07/22/17 2:30:58 PM
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DumbQuestion posted...
DuranOfForcena posted...
he's the toast of an entire generation, the son of the most powerful man in the whole realm and regarded as one of the greatest swordsmen who has ever lived, and he is constantly made aware of these things. why the fuck wouldn't he be a huge dick?

so getting his hand cut off humbled him?

He got capture by Ned's oldest son, humiliated by his captors, and had his sword hand cut off so he's not half the fighter he used to be.

Lmao, I guess this is your gimmick?
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DumbQuestion
07/22/17 2:32:20 PM
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Menardi posted...
DumbQuestion posted...
DuranOfForcena posted...
he's the toast of an entire generation, the son of the most powerful man in the whole realm and regarded as one of the greatest swordsmen who has ever lived, and he is constantly made aware of these things. why the fuck wouldn't he be a huge dick?

so getting his hand cut off humbled him?

He got capture by Ned's oldest son, humiliated by his captors, and had his sword hand cut off so he's not half the fighter he used to be.

Lmao, I guess this is your gimmick?

Were those the only factors? Or were there others too that helped shape him better as the show went on?
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Returning_CEmen
07/22/17 2:32:32 PM
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He was also known as the King Slayer.
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Blackstar110
07/22/17 2:33:15 PM
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DuranOfForcena posted...
Blackstar110 posted...
DarthAragorn posted...
He wasn't, really

Pushing Bran out the window was shitty sure but he didn't have much of a choice, and attacking Ned in the streets was understandable considering what Catelyn did

Let's not pretend he tearfully pushed Bran out the window to protect his beloved sister in a moment of turmoil.

He 100% casually shoved a small child out a window to his presumed death, complete with sarcastic quip, because he got caught banging his sister

How was he NOT a dick?

it was to protect Cersei though, and to protect their children together. if they were found out, their children's legitimacy would have come into question, they likely would never sit on the throne and would probably be cast out to be beggars in Essos, if they were allowed to live at all.

Let's not pretend he tearfully pushed Bran out the window to protect his beloved sister in a moment of turmoil.

He 100% casually shoved a small child out a window to his presumed death, complete with sarcastic quip

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Blackstar110
07/22/17 2:39:48 PM
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DuranOfForcena posted...
i don't know why you repeated the same thing you already said. everyone has read that already. and no one is pretending there was any tears or turmoil.

Because DarthAragorn's argument was that Jaime was somehow NOT a dick for cavalierly shoving a child to his death with zero remorse, and your rebuttal to my post did absolutely nothing to further prove how that was somehow not dickish. I don't see the need to post any further argument that murdering a kid in cold blood without a second thought qualifies as a dick move.
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Kanaya413
07/22/17 2:41:21 PM
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Gafemage posted...
yusiko posted...
i think they should show his dick on the show

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MJ_Max
07/22/17 2:43:33 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
MJ_Max posted...
DarthAragorn posted...
Pushing Bran out the window was shitty sure but he didn't have much of a choice

L M A O

I mean he had a choice but it was basically "kill kid" or "let Cersei and myself be executed"

1. There are infinite other options and
2. He was giddy about it
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DarthAragorn
07/22/17 2:44:32 PM
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MJ_Max posted...
DarthAragorn posted...
MJ_Max posted...
DarthAragorn posted...
Pushing Bran out the window was shitty sure but he didn't have much of a choice

L M A O

I mean he had a choice but it was basically "kill kid" or "let Cersei and myself be executed"

1. There are infinite other options and
2. He was giddyabout it

1. Not really, is he gonna spy on the kid the rest of his life to make sure he doesn't tell anyone?
2. Not really. He made a sarcastic remark and that's it.

Like I said, it's shitty but there wasn't much else he could have done. He was apathetic at worst.
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Duncanwii
07/22/17 2:46:58 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
EffectAndCause posted...
DumbQuestion posted...
DuranOfForcena posted...
he's the toast of an entire generation, the son of the most powerful man in the whole realm and regarded as one of the greatest swordsmen who has ever lived, and he is constantly made aware of these things. why the fuck wouldn't he be a huge dick?

so getting his hand cut off humbled him?


Correct.

Dude was literallt living the perfect life before that. Known as the most rich, handsome and skilled swordsmen and knight in the seven kingdoms.

Other than the fact that plenty of people hated him for the best thing he ever did.

This, Jaime is a hero who saved kings landing and everyone in it from being turned into a pile of ash. All it cost him was his reputation and the love of the people. He sacrificed a lot to save everyone.
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Blackstar110
07/22/17 3:05:00 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
MJ_Max posted...
DarthAragorn posted...
MJ_Max posted...
DarthAragorn posted...
Pushing Bran out the window was shitty sure but he didn't have much of a choice

L M A O

I mean he had a choice but it was basically "kill kid" or "let Cersei and myself be executed"

1. There are infinite other options and
2. He was giddyabout it

1. Not really, is he gonna spy on the kid the rest of his life to make sure he doesn't tell anyone?
2. Not really. He made a sarcastic remark and that's it.

Like I said, it's shitty but there wasn't much else he could have done. He was apathetic at worst.

"Apathetic at worst" about killing a child = not dickish

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MJ_Max
07/22/17 3:09:09 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
1. Not really, is he gonna spy on the kid the rest of his life to make sure he doesn't tell anyone?

You can't kill someone to make sure your fucking baggage doesn't get out holy shit. Non-sociopaths would choose an option that doesn't totally guarantee your secret's safety over an option that does but involves murdering a child.

DarthAragorn posted...
2. Not really. He made a sarcastic remark and that's it.

Lmao yes he made a giddy sarcastic response and that's it, meaning no remorse, hesitation, or even negative feelings.
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Solid Snake07
07/22/17 3:12:00 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
EffectAndCause posted...
DumbQuestion posted...
DuranOfForcena posted...
he's the toast of an entire generation, the son of the most powerful man in the whole realm and regarded as one of the greatest swordsmen who has ever lived, and he is constantly made aware of these things. why the fuck wouldn't he be a huge dick?

so getting his hand cut off humbled him?


Correct.

Dude was literallt living the perfect life before that. Known as the most rich, handsome and skilled swordsmen and knight in the seven kingdoms.

Other than the fact that plenty of people hated him for the best thing he ever did.



No one that really mattered
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DarthAragorn
07/22/17 3:14:22 PM
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MJ_Max posted...
DarthAragorn posted...
1. Not really, is he gonna spy on the kid the rest of his life to make sure he doesn't tell anyone?

You can't kill someone to make sure your fucking baggage doesn't get out holy shit. Non-sociopaths would choose an option that doesn't totally guarantee your secret's safety over an option that does but involves murdering a child.

DarthAragorn posted...
2. Not really. He made a sarcastic remark and that's it.

Lmao yes he made a giddy sarcastic response and that's it, meaning no remorse, hesitation, or even negative feelings.

Considering it would lead to ruin for basically his entire family, you're goddamn right you can. You think Robert wouldn't have executed at least Jaime and Cersei for it? What do you think Tywin would have done about that?
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masterpug53
07/22/17 3:15:11 PM
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Can't believe it took me that long to see what TC's username was. I'm usually pretty sharp with that.
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MJ_Max
07/22/17 3:16:14 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
MJ_Max posted...
DarthAragorn posted...
1. Not really, is he gonna spy on the kid the rest of his life to make sure he doesn't tell anyone?

You can't kill someone to make sure your fucking baggage doesn't get out holy shit. Non-sociopaths would choose an option that doesn't totally guarantee your secret's safety over an option that does but involves murdering a child.

DarthAragorn posted...
2. Not really. He made a sarcastic remark and that's it.

Lmao yes he made a giddy sarcastic response and that's it, meaning no remorse, hesitation, or even negative feelings.

Considering it would lead to ruin for basically his entire family, you're goddamn right you can. You think Robert wouldn't have executed at least Jaime and Cersei for it? What do you think Tywin would have done about that?

No, you fucking can't, that's sociopathic.
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rhklce
07/22/17 3:25:50 PM
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@MJ_Max yo, what would you have done to protect your lineage? You can sit there and say "there are other ways" all day, but what would you have done differently? Just let him go and tell other people and risk being executed, or exiled at best, stripped of everything you know and love? I'm not raggin' on you, just asking you what "non-sociopaths" would do in this situation.
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MJ_Max
07/22/17 3:30:11 PM
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rhklce posted...
@MJ_Max yo, what would you have done to protect your lineage? You can sit there and say "there are other ways" all day, but what would you have done differently? Just let him go and tell other people and risk being executed, or exiled at best, stripped of everything you know and love? I'm not raggin' on you, just asking you what "non-sociopaths" would do in this situation.

Bribe him, threaten him, create an alibi or a good bullshit story to deny Bran's story and downplay it as the testimony of a kid, etc.
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Swagnificent119
07/22/17 3:31:06 PM
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so like, who exactly knows about him and cersei banging?

cause euron seemed to make a joke about it in the last episode
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Slayerblade11
07/22/17 3:37:17 PM
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Most people hated and looked down on him for his finest act (killing Aerys when he was about to burn down a city of people) His developed an arrogant, dickish personality as a defense mechanism.
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DarthAragorn
07/22/17 3:38:59 PM
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Swagnificent119 posted...
so like, who exactly knows about him and cersei banging?

cause euron seemed to make a joke about it in the last episode

Stannis knew and sent ravens declaring the kids products of incest, so it's not really a secret anymore
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DumbQuestion
07/22/17 3:43:48 PM
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Slayerblade11 posted...
Most people hated and looked down on him for his finest act (killing Aerys when he was about to burn down a city of people) His developed an arrogant, dickish personality as a defense mechanism.

i like this answer better than the others. thanks
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Slayerblade11
07/22/17 4:48:59 PM
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Another thing is the influence of Cercei. When he is separated from her a he 's almost like a completely different person. The worst things he's done have been for her sake or her goading him on.
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MJ_Max
07/22/17 4:50:08 PM
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Slayerblade11 posted...
Another thing is the influence of Cercei. When he is separated from her a he 's almost like a completely different person. The worst things he's done have been for her sake or her goading him on.

Definitely she's a poisonous influence on him
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yusiko
07/22/17 6:40:36 PM
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at least jaime isnt a hypocrite like his sister
she looks down on homosexuals where as jaime is more accepting since he knows what its like to love someone you arent supposed to
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MJ_Max
07/22/17 8:44:57 PM
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yusiko posted...
at least jaime isnt a hypocrite like his sister
she looks down on homosexuals where as jaime is more accepting since he knows what its like to love someone you arent supposed to

I think it's pretty agreed upon that cersei is a shittier person than jaime
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Freddie_Mercury
07/22/17 8:53:05 PM
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because D&D think show fans are too dumb to understand moral ambiguity
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DarthAragorn
07/22/17 8:53:49 PM
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Freddie_Mercury posted...
because D&D think show fans are too dumb to understand moral ambiguity

Tyrion should have been so much more interesting
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