Current Events > Women in Arkansas now need permission from men to have an abortion

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Teddytalks posted...

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Harpie posted...

weapon_d00d816 posted...

Harpie posted...

Her body her choice

When men start getting pregnant you can come talk to me

His paycheck his choice.

Lmao are you saying that his paycheck is equal to her right to her own goddamn body?

You're against forcing a woman to do something against her body and will, but you are perfectly fine with doing it to men. If the man refuses to surrender his pay, his body gets thrown in prison. That is slavery. You are pro-choice, but also pro-slavery. Why do you like slavery for men?

Big ass exaggeration there buddy, but yeah, they don't care about men at all.

No one should care about men when it comes to abortion. The fetus isn't in them. Yeah, obviously it is nice if women talk about options before just going and getting an abortion, but nice is all that is. Not all women are courteous, but all women are in control of their body and they carry 100% of fetuses.
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Teddytalks posted...

Trigg3rH4ppy posted...

Mandasnake posted...

Damn. You are a real fucked in the head man.

Fix'd. I'm not proud of how I treated her but I can't get past the feeling of complete disgust when I think about her. Hard to make yourself just stop hating someone. Nothing manly about that.

It takes conviction to follow through on what you did, harsh, fucked up, but if she got hooked on drugs, she really didn't have any character to her in the first place. Alot of men need that conviction

Mmmmmm.... Drug addiction doesn't really have anything to do with character.
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

You're against forcing a woman to do something against her body and will, but you are perfectly fine with doing it to men. If the man refuses to surrender his pay, his body gets thrown in prison. That is slavery. You are pro-choice, but also pro-slavery. Why do you like slavery for men?

What. The. Fuck. Is. This. Bullshit.?
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shockthemonkey posted...

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Harpie posted...

weapon_d00d816 posted...

Harpie posted...

Her body her choice

When men start getting pregnant you can come talk to me

His paycheck his choice.

Lmao are you saying that his paycheck is equal to her right to her own goddamn body?

You're against forcing a woman to do something against her body and will, but you are perfectly fine with doing it to men. If the man refuses to surrender his pay, his body gets thrown in prison. That is slavery. You are pro-choice, but also pro-slavery. Why do you like slavery for men?

Nutting inside is a choice. If you bust in a condom and she steals that, or something that actually robs you of your choice, then you shouldn't be forced to pay.

But if you made that choice, you consent to the consequences.

Girl chooses to have sex with a dude not wearing a condom while also not on birth control, ends up pregnant. Her choice, she consents to consequences (pregnancy) if the guy wants her to keep it?
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Mark_DeRosa posted...

It takes two people to have a baby, both should have a say and right to do what they choose

Nope. Her body, her choice.

She consents to getting pregnant, not carrying it to term.

It's her choice. Until men are able to carry the child themselves, their say in this is pretty limited.
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hockeybub89 posted...

No one should care about men when it comes to abortion

Then no one should give a fuck about women when it comes to child support then. Apathy begets apathy.

Though I do feel that child support needs to be handled better, that is ultimately irrelevant to the question of why abortion is acceptable.
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

Teddytalks posted...

Trigg3rH4ppy posted...

Mandasnake posted...

Damn. You are a real fucked in the head man.

Fix'd. I'm not proud of how I treated her but I can't get past the feeling of complete disgust when I think about her. Hard to make yourself just stop hating someone. Nothing manly about that.

It takes conviction to follow through on what you did, harsh, fucked up, but if she got hooked on drugs, she really didn't have any character to her in the first place. Alot of men need that conviction

Mmmmmm.... Drug addiction doesn't really have anything to do with character.

Some people are more prone to fall into drug addiction than others, and allow themselves to sink that low. I believe it is, atleast, in part to character.

Teddytalks posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

No one should care about men when it comes to abortion

Then no one should give a fuck about women when it comes to child support then. Apathy begets apathy.

And there should be situations where that is the case, but why does it seem like we keep implying women just sit back and do nothing for children they raise on their own?
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Dragonblade01 posted...

Though I do feel that child support needs to be handled better, that is ultimately irrelevant to the question of why abortion is acceptable.

And still this
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shockthemonkey posted...

DarthAragorn posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Harpie posted...

weapon_d00d816 posted...

Harpie posted...

Her body her choice

When men start getting pregnant you can come talk to me

His paycheck his choice.

Lmao are you saying that his paycheck is equal to her right to her own goddamn body?

You're against forcing a woman to do something against her body and will, but you are perfectly fine with doing it to men. If the man refuses to surrender his pay, his body gets thrown in prison. That is slavery. You are pro-choice, but also pro-slavery. Why do you like slavery for men?

Nutting inside is a choice. If you bust in a condom and she steals that, or something that actually robs you of your choice, then you shouldn't be forced to pay.

But if you made that choice, you consent to the consequences.

Girl chooses to have sex with a dude not wearing a condom while also not on birth control, ends up pregnant. Her choice, she consents to consequences (pregnancy) if the guy wants her to keep it?

Did she consent to him ejaculating inside of her?

Considering pregnancy is possible without full ejaculation that's not really relevant

Both could choose to use a form of contraceptive yet neither did
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shockthemonkey posted...

DarthAragorn posted...

Girl chooses to have sex with a dude not wearing a condom while also not on birth control, ends up pregnant. Her choice, she consents to consequences (pregnancy) if the guy wants her to keep it?

Did she consent to him ejaculating inside of her?

Are women, who are strong and intelligent, all of a sudden morons who do not understand how babies are made? Stop infantalizing them.
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Teddytalks posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Teddytalks posted...

Trigg3rH4ppy posted...

Mandasnake posted...

Damn. You are a real fucked in the head man.

Fix'd. I'm not proud of how I treated her but I can't get past the feeling of complete disgust when I think about her. Hard to make yourself just stop hating someone. Nothing manly about that.

It takes conviction to follow through on what you did, harsh, fucked up, but if she got hooked on drugs, she really didn't have any character to her in the first place. Alot of men need that conviction

Mmmmmm.... Drug addiction doesn't really have anything to do with character.

Some people are more prone to fall into drug addiction than others, and allow themselves to sink that low. I believe it is, atleast, in part to character.

Yeah I mean I'm not talking shit about the drug thing. I got really heavy into oxies a couple years later because of depression and even tried intentionally overdosing a few times but I have one hell of a strong heart apparently. I just felt horrible and I still feel somehow responsible for killing my first child. Like maybe if I had more money at the time she wouldn't have done it. Now that it's been so long I can kinda take a step back and empathize with her a little (but still hate her). Our kid would be in first grade right now :/

It wasn't until my current fiancee got pregnant with our daughter that I managed to get clean. She never knew I was on shit because I'm really good at hiding shit from people. It's kinda why the Robin Williams suicide hit me hard because I can relate with him so much.

But this topic isn't about me I just wanted to give people an idea of my stance and why I am the way I am about abortion. I'm done talking about this.
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I'm okay with a husband having some veto power over his wife aborting his unborn child, provided it wasn't from marital rape, they aren't estranged, he doesn't have a history of domestic abuse, etc. I'm okay with some random guy she had a one night stand wife, a rapist, or just a boyfriend not getting a say.

Obviously, a rapist shouldn't have a say in the matter.
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shockthemonkey posted...

If she didn't consent to getting pregnant then no one else should have a legal say in the matter.

Even if she did consent tbh
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hockeybub89 posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

If she didn't consent to getting pregnant then no one else should have a legal say in the matter.

Even if she did consent tbh

Yes. Even if she did consent. The choice tips in her favor because it's her body.

hockeybub89 posted...

Teddytalks posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

No one should care about men when it comes to abortion

Then no one should give a fuck about women when it comes to child support then. Apathy begets apathy.

And there should be situations where that is the case, but why does it seem like we keep implying women just sit back and do nothing for children they raise on their own?

Choices and consequences. I believe welfare and entitlement programs should be used to support mothers' who struggle with raising a child by herself, I don't want them to suffer. However, I do not want to encourage poor parental decisions from the onset because women think they can just take men to court and make ends meet by fucking some random dude, getting a kid and doing that. It is incredibly irresponsible, but we made a culture out of it to the point where we had shows like 16 & and pregnant, and my college jokes about the shit.

Teddytalks posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Teddytalks posted...

Trigg3rH4ppy posted...

Mandasnake posted...

Damn. You are a real fucked in the head man.

Fix'd. I'm not proud of how I treated her but I can't get past the feeling of complete disgust when I think about her. Hard to make yourself just stop hating someone. Nothing manly about that.

It takes conviction to follow through on what you did, harsh, fucked up, but if she got hooked on drugs, she really didn't have any character to her in the first place. Alot of men need that conviction

Mmmmmm.... Drug addiction doesn't really have anything to do with character.

Some people are more prone to fall into drug addiction than others, and allow themselves to sink that low. I believe it is, atleast, in part to character.

That just a bit of a cop out to call someone weak. There are so many factors that can lead to drug abuse and addiction. I sincerely believe that character is the least likely reason for either.
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That's a little regressive, but in theory I don't mind the idea that a couple both have a right to determine their child's abortion.
Ammonitida posted...

Even in the case of rape, women wishing to terminate a pregnancy would have to seek the opinion of their attacker or abusive partner – who would be able to refuse and potentially block the procedure.

This is fucked up and indefensible.
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so much talk about consequences leaves me with the impression that the people here just want to see women punished for having sex rather than giving two shits about the fetus
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yusiko posted...

so much talk about consequences leaves me with the impression that the people here just want to see women punished for having sex rather than giving two shits about the fetus

Even though the majority of the consequences talk has been aimed at men and forced child Support?
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Aeriis posted...

I hate this country.

"If you don't like it you can GIT OUT!"
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

yusiko posted...

so much talk about consequences leaves me with the impression that the people here just want to see women punished for having sex rather than giving two shits about the fetus

Even though the majority of the consequences talk has been aimed at men and forced child Support?

Child support should have no bearing on abortion . They should be different arguments since they are different issues.
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yusiko posted...

so much talk about consequences leaves me with the impression that the people here just want to see women punished for having sex rather than giving two shits about the fetus

Nah I just like pointing out the hypocrisy of the abortion decision and child support

I don't think anyone should be forced to carry a baby they don't want (before a certain point in the pregnancy anyway)
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This is utterly ridiclous the father is not carrying the fetus inside him for 9 months and giving birth to it.

It absolutely should be the mothers decision. It's not an even playing feild. One party suffers the consequences and the other doesn't.
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Dabrikishaw15 posted...

That's a little regressive, but in theory I don't mind the idea that a couple both have a right to determine their child's abortion.
Ammonitida posted...

Even in the case of rape, women wishing to terminate a pregnancy would have to seek the opinion of their attacker or abusive partner – who would be able to refuse and potentially block the procedure.

This is fucked up and indefensible.

There should be no "in theory". You cannot give men a say in this without completely removing a woman's right to bodily autonomy.
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yusiko posted...

so much talk about consequences leaves me with the impression that the people here just want to see women punished for having sex rather than giving two shits about the fetus

Not at all. Bad decisions shouldn't be rewarded and encouraged in our society. A women shouldn't think taking a man to court for child support is a substitute for raising them in a two parent household. It leave them much worse off, but so many women opt for it because of the attitudes expressed in this topic. Don't they realize they're perpetuating poverty? I personally want everybody to have sex as much as possible, as long as they're responsible with it. Once a pregnancy arise, a man should atleast be able to decide if he want to stay for it or not, then the women can decide from that point onwards, knowing that she can't rely on just using the courts to supplement her income/

IfGodCouldDie posted...

yusiko posted...

so much talk about consequences leaves me with the impression that the people here just want to see women punished for having sex rather than giving two shits about the fetus

Even though the majority of the consequences talk has been aimed at men and forced child Support?

As I been saying, they don't give a shit about men.

Bio1590 posted...

Dabrikishaw15 posted...

That's a little regressive, but in theory I don't mind the idea that a couple both have a right to determine their child's abortion.
Ammonitida posted...

Even in the case of rape, women wishing to terminate a pregnancy would have to seek the opinion of their attacker or abusive partner – who would be able to refuse and potentially block the procedure.

This is fucked up and indefensible.

There should be no "in theory". You cannot give men a say in this without completely removing a woman's right to bodily autonomy.

Agreed.


The father should be listened to but it is up to the mother. Not him. It is insider her body, she has to carry and give birth to it.

There is no way to square the circle. Denying the woman the right to her body is sick.
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Teddytalks posted...

yusiko posted...

so much talk about consequences leaves me with the impression that the people here just want to see women punished for having sex rather than giving two shits about the fetus

Not at all. Bad decisions shouldn't be rewarded and encouraged in our society. A women shouldn't think taking a man to court for child support is a substitute for raising them in a two parent household. It leave them much worse off, but so many women opt for it because of the attitudes expressed in this topic. Don't they realize they're perpetuating poverty? I personally want everybody to have sex as much as possible, as long as they're responsible with it. Once a pregnancy arise, a man should atleast be able to decide if he want to stay for it or not, then the women can decide from that point onwards, knowing that she can't rely on just using the courts to supplement her income/

"The woman can have a say with her body after we ask the man what he wants!"

Is this 1950?
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hockeybub89 posted...

Teddytalks posted...

yusiko posted...

so much talk about consequences leaves me with the impression that the people here just want to see women punished for having sex rather than giving two shits about the fetus

Not at all. Bad decisions shouldn't be rewarded and encouraged in our society. A women shouldn't think taking a man to court for child support is a substitute for raising them in a two parent household. It leave them much worse off, but so many women opt for it because of the attitudes expressed in this topic. Don't they realize they're perpetuating poverty? I personally want everybody to have sex as much as possible, as long as they're responsible with it. Once a pregnancy arise, a man should atleast be able to decide if he want to stay for it or not, then the women can decide from that point onwards, knowing that she can't rely on just using the courts to supplement her income/

"The woman can have a say with her body after we ask the man what he wants!"

Is this 1950?

Maybe your comprehension is like that.
Edit: They can do whatever they want, but they can't drag the guy along with it. They can freely choose to get an abortion or keep the child, but they can't expect the guy to pay up and follow their decision, as they do now. I said ask so they can know what he is going to do, so they can make their decision based on that, on knowing rather he is going to support the kid or not. If people find a problem with that, fuck them.

hockeybub89 posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

yusiko posted...

so much talk about consequences leaves me with the impression that the people here just want to see women punished for having sex rather than giving two shits about the fetus

Even though the majority of the consequences talk has been aimed at men and forced child Support?

Child support should have no bearing on abortion . They should be different arguments since they are different issues.

What does that have to do with what either of us said?
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Teddytalks posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Teddytalks posted...

yusiko posted...

so much talk about consequences leaves me with the impression that the people here just want to see women punished for having sex rather than giving two shits about the fetus

Not at all. Bad decisions shouldn't be rewarded and encouraged in our society. A women shouldn't think taking a man to court for child support is a substitute for raising them in a two parent household. It leave them much worse off, but so many women opt for it because of the attitudes expressed in this topic. Don't they realize they're perpetuating poverty? I personally want everybody to have sex as much as possible, as long as they're responsible with it. Once a pregnancy arise, a man should atleast be able to decide if he want to stay for it or not, then the women can decide from that point onwards, knowing that she can't rely on just using the courts to supplement her income/

"The woman can have a say with her body after we ask the man what he wants!"

Is this 1950?

Maybe your comprehension is like that.
Edit: They can do whatever they want, but they can't drag the guy along with it. They can freely choose to get an abortion or keep the child, but they can't expect the guy to pay up and follow their decision, as they do now. I said ask so they can know what he is going to do, so they can make their decision based on that, on knowing rather he is going to support the kid or not. If people find a problem with that, fuck them.

This is why i think that if you are going to sign away your rights it should have to be done before abortion is no longer an option. That way if the woman knows she is going to do it alone she can make the decision to abort if she wants, but if the guy doesn't sign away his rights before that then he is in the hook for child support.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

This is utterly ridiclous the father is not carrying the fetus inside him for 9 months and giving birth to it.

It absolutely should be the mothers decision. It's not an even playing feild. One party suffers the consequences and the other doesn't.

18 years of forced child support isn't a consequence?

shockthemonkey posted...

Sigh, I am not going to keep explaining myself.

...what? A man paying for his child is rewarding bad decisions? Why don't consequences matter for him?

I didn't know it was his, I thought it belonged to two people. Shouldn't it be a joint decision? The people who don't want the child should be able to opt out, and if the women want the child, she can keep it (she only should have the say on that matter.), and the guy can either stay or leave if he wants. The consequence for him is that he can't stop the abortion, which is actually a serious thing, if you give a fuck about the kid, but i guess you don't think men feel anything, do you? The bad decision part comes on undertaking the role of a being a single parent raising a child purposefully, when the child almost always turned out worse.

Women getting child support are perpetuating poverty but a man not paying for his child doesn't?

You're being thick on this one.

Child Support is a separate issue and just because lawyers are better at arguing for it doesn't mean men should get a say on abortion.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Teddytalks posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Teddytalks posted...

yusiko posted...

so much talk about consequences leaves me with the impression that the people here just want to see women punished for having sex rather than giving two shits about the fetus

Not at all. Bad decisions shouldn't be rewarded and encouraged in our society. A women shouldn't think taking a man to court for child support is a substitute for raising them in a two parent household. It leave them much worse off, but so many women opt for it because of the attitudes expressed in this topic. Don't they realize they're perpetuating poverty? I personally want everybody to have sex as much as possible, as long as they're responsible with it. Once a pregnancy arise, a man should atleast be able to decide if he want to stay for it or not, then the women can decide from that point onwards, knowing that she can't rely on just using the courts to supplement her income/

"The woman can have a say with her body after we ask the man what he wants!"

Is this 1950?

Maybe your comprehension is like that.
Edit: They can do whatever they want, but they can't drag the guy along with it. They can freely choose to get an abortion or keep the child, but they can't expect the guy to pay up and follow their decision, as they do now. I said ask so they can know what he is going to do, so they can make their decision based on that, on knowing rather he is going to support the kid or not. If people find a problem with that, fuck them.

This is why i think that if you are going to sign away your rights it should have to be done before abortion is no longer an option. That way if the woman knows she is going to do it alone she can make the decision to abort if she wants, but if the guy doesn't sign away his rights before that then he is in the hook for child support.

Perfectly fine with me.

Good.
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shockthemonkey posted...

I didn't know it was his, I thought it belonged to two people. Shouldn't it be a joint decision? The people who don't want the child should be able to opt out, and if the women want the child, she can keep it (she only should have the say on that matter.), and the guy can either stay or leave if he wants. The consequence for him is that he can't stop the abortion, which is actually a serious thing, if you give a fuck about the kid, but i guess you don't think men feel anything, do you? The bad decision part comes on undertaking the role of a being a single parent raising a child purposefully, when the child almost always turned out worse.

Ok so the dude doesn't deal with consequences unless he wants to. Weird argument.

And I don't know what I'm being thick about. Your explanation doesn't make any sense to me.

Which is what you (and most reasonable people) want to be the case for women... Right?
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lukabrosci posted...

Child Support is a separate issue and just because lawyers are better at arguing for it doesn't mean men should get a say on abortion.

They should get a say if they should pay for it or not. I think the law is a step in the right direction, as it finally gives men SOME say in this argument, although I don't think it is the right way to personally. Child support is also an issue of biased family court judges, not necessary lawyers being better.

DarthAragorn posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

I didn't know it was his, I thought it belonged to two people. Shouldn't it be a joint decision? The people who don't want the child should be able to opt out, and if the women want the child, she can keep it (she only should have the say on that matter.), and the guy can either stay or leave if he wants. The consequence for him is that he can't stop the abortion, which is actually a serious thing, if you give a fuck about the kid, but i guess you don't think men feel anything, do you? The bad decision part comes on undertaking the role of a being a single parent raising a child purposefully, when the child almost always turned out worse.

Ok so the dude doesn't deal with consequences unless he wants to. Weird argument.

And I don't know what I'm being thick about. Your explanation doesn't make any sense to me.

Which is what you (and most reasonable people) want to be the case for women... Right?

He hasn't been reasonable throughout this whole topic.