Current Events > People giving their kids hormones to block puberty is straight up child abuse.

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How TF is that even legal?
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On the other hand, if they are really trans, not giving them hormone blockers is also abuse.
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Duncanwii posted...

On the other hand, if they are really trans, not giving them hormone blockers is also abuse.

This is a thing liberals actually believe.
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Duncanwii posted...

On the other hand, if they are really trans, not giving them hormone blockers is also abuse.

Lol what
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Howl posted...

Duncanwii posted...

On the other hand, if they are really trans, not giving them hormone blockers is also abuse.

This is a thing liberals actually believe.

Compare transsexuals who transition late in life to those who do it early in life. Who looks better?
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Oh this topic. This is a level or so up from CE's garden variety trans outrage bait; well done you.

So I watched Blaire's video too. Long story short, I vehemently disagree, but I'm not about to waste an afternoon arguing with internet talking heads about it.
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people actually do this?
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Awesome posted...

people actually do this?

Yes they do.
Militant members of the TDF such as @gunplagirl think it should be done even if the parents disagree
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Duncanwii posted...

On the other hand, if they are really trans, not giving them hormone blockers is also abuse.

uhhh
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TC probably thinks transgender people are just going through a "phase"

Duncanwii posted...

Howl posted...

Duncanwii posted...

On the other hand, if they are really trans, not giving them hormone blockers is also abuse.

This is a thing liberals actually believe.

Compare transsexuals who transition late in life to those who do it early in life. Who looks better?

It's not just a question of looks but also factors into how those people are socially received and looks are definitely part of this.
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Awesome posted...

people actually do this?

Yes sadly...

Here's a documentary about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZXLxOHPeKI
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I believe that if a child is transgender it's best to start as early as possible. Maybe not very early, but around 7 or 8 when they 100% know they're trans. Not doing so will just put unnecessary suffering and mental anguish on them as they go through puberty.
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Duncanwii posted...

when they 100% know they're trans

No they fucking don't. Kids don't know shit about themselves or anything about what they really want in life or about the world at age 7.

When I was 7 I thought I wanted to live in Alaska because polar bears were cool looking.

I didn't know anything else about Alaska but I was 100% sure I wanted to live there when I grew up.

Now as an adult everytime it snows I fucking hate it and can't fathom how anyone would ever want to live there.
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Duncanwii posted...

I believe that if a child is transgender it's best to start as early as possible. Maybe not very early, but around 7 or 8 when they 100% know they're trans. Not doing so will just put info suffering and mental anguish on them as they go through puberty.

Most advocate using puberty blockers as part of the pre-transition therapy to let patients make their choices without the pressure of the biological clock. People who ultimately do transition also experience more satisfying outcomes than those that wait and then end up relying on surgery to hide the vestiges of their biological sex.

There are no side effects. Ending the treatment allows puberty to proceed as normal. There are kind of only benefits here with no harms.
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Duncanwii posted...

I believe that if a child is transgender it's best to start as early as possible. Maybe not very early, but around 7 or 8 when they 100% know they're trans. Not doing so will just put unnecessary suffering and mental anguish on them as they go through puberty.

What the fuck.
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Duncanwii posted...

I believe that if a child is transgender it's best to start as early as possible. Maybe not very early, but around 7 or 8 when they 100% know they're trans. Not doing so will just put unnecessary suffering and mental anguish on them as they go through puberty.

I can only hope people who actually think like this, never have kids.
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NOM posted...

Duncanwii posted...

I believe that if a child is transgender it's best to start as early as possible. Maybe not very early, but around 7 or 8 when they 100% know they're trans. Not doing so will just put unnecessary suffering and mental anguish on them as they go through puberty.

I can only hope people who actually think like this, never have kids.

They do that's why this is a topic.
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Howl posted...

Duncanwii posted...

when they 100% know they're trans

No they fucking don't. Kids don't know shit about themselves or anything about what they really want in life or about the world at age 7.

When I was 7 I thought I wanted to live in Alaska because polar bears were cool looking.

I didn't know anything else about Alaska but I was 100% sure I wanted to live there when I grew up.

Now as an adult everytime it snows I fucking hate it and can't fathom how anyone would ever want to live there.

All the transsexuals I've talked too have told me they knew they were trans from an early age. Are you going to argue with people who have actually gone through it to keep living in your narrow minded view of things?
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Seriously, do you people even know what puberty blockers are? Or how they are prescribed? For people with such strong opinions we don't seem to know what we're talking about.
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clearaflagrantj posted...

TC probably thinks transgender people are just going through a "phase"

I think getting tats is fine, but kids shouldn't get them and this is a much much more impactful thing
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I'm glad this is up to real doctors and not armchair hillbillies.
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Duncanwii posted...

Are you going to argue with people who have actually gone through it to keep living in your narrow minded view of things?

Yes because it's straight not true at all and I have no reason to agree with your ridiculous notion that children should have autonomy over a decision to change the biological systems in their body at age 7.
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Sylph posted...

I'm glad this is up to real doctors and not armchair hillbillies.

Preach.
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I Can't Believe It's Not Tumblr ITT
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yeah idk why gender reassignment is totally okay for a 7 year old but like everything else in life is bad.
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Duncanwii posted...

Howl posted...

Duncanwii posted...

On the other hand, if they are really trans, not giving them hormone blockers is also abuse.

This is a thing liberals actually believe.

Compare transsexuals who transition late in life to those who do it early in life. Who looks better?

Good point. Honestly if the child wants it then I don't see the problem

It's legal because scientists are far more educated and informed than the average internet neckbeard.
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GiftedACIII posted...

It's legal because scientists are far more educated and informed than the average internet neckbeard.

No, the reason it's legal is because most people don't know this is even a thing so there has been no political pressure to make it illegal.
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Howl posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

It's legal because scientists are far more educated and informed than the average internet neckbeard.

No, the reason it's legal is because most people don't know this is even a thing so there has been no political pressure to make it illegal.

i mean if you think that ur a scientist
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DocileOrangeCup posted...

yeah idk why gender reassignment is totally okay for a 7 year old but like everything else in life is bad.

We're talking about hormone blockers. Not the hormones for transition, not the surgery, blockers.

Where the fuck are you reading about surgery?
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1 - Hormones don't block anything.
2 - Do your damn research.
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hollow_shrine posted...

DocileOrangeCup posted...

yeah idk why gender reassignment is totally okay for a 7 year old but like everything else in life is bad.

We're talking about hormone blockers. Not the hormones for transition, not the surgery, blockers.

Where the fuck are you reading about surgery?

i didnt say surgery but what i meant was starting that whole process. id say wait until they're 16.
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I mean? Are you actually following the topic? This isn't even a discussion at all, this is just an outrage hugbox.
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Duncanwii posted...

Howl posted...

Duncanwii posted...

when they 100% know they're trans

No they fucking don't. Kids don't know shit about themselves or anything about what they really want in life or about the world at age 7.

When I was 7 I thought I wanted to live in Alaska because polar bears were cool looking.

I didn't know anything else about Alaska but I was 100% sure I wanted to live there when I grew up.

Now as an adult everytime it snows I fucking hate it and can't fathom how anyone would ever want to live there.

All the transsexuals I've talked too have told me they knew they were trans from an early age. Are you going to argue with people who have actually gone through it to keep living in your narrow minded view of things?

All the people I've talked to who were spanked as kids grew up to be excellent people who contributed to society, loved their parents, and were not violent. Are you going to argue with people who have actually gone through it to keep living in your narrow of things?
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Howl posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

It's legal because scientists are far more educated and informed than the average internet neckbeard.

No, the reason it's legal is because most people don't know this is even a thing so there has been no political pressure to make it illegal.

There would be no political pressure from anyone who knows what they're talking about. This is legal in every developed country precisely because science confirms its validity. The only type of people who would be against it are the the kind of brain dead morons who would say the world is flat because their uneducated hick friends believed it.

DocileOrangeCup posted...

i didnt say surgery but what i meant was starting that whole process. id say wait until they're 16.

There's no reasoning for that. Transgenderism isn't a choice, it's biological. Transgenders need to transition before puberty to get the most out of it. It's like saying we should wait until they're 16 until we give them a vaccine. Non-binary clowns can wait until they're 16 though.
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GiftedACIII posted...

The only type of people who would be against it are the the kind of brain dead morons

Or anybody with even a slight amount of intelligence that can read about the fact that transgender people are almost 10 times more likely to commit suicide than any other demographic and that that rate actually goes up for post op trans people.
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Duncanwii posted...

On the other hand, if they are really trans, not giving them hormone blockers is also abuse.

LOL
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Howl posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

The only type of people who would be against it are the the kind of brain dead morons

Or anybody with even a slight amount of intelligence that can read about the fact that transgender people are almost 10 times more likely to commit suicide than any other demographic and that that rate actually goes up for post op trans people.

Don't know why I'm responding to a uneducated joke account who's probably intentionally getting every aspect of his post wrong. But whatever, I'll correct it in case anyone is reading. A. Transgenderism is biological. B. No, post-op people do not commit suicide more than pre-op, that is just pure bullshit that you've twisted in your head. C. Operations =/= Hormones.
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Isn't it a mental thing? How is it biological?
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UncleBourbon33 posted...

Isn't it a mental thing? How is it biological?

Sex is biological. Gender isn't.
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HydraSlayer82 posted...

UncleBourbon33 posted...

Isn't it a mental thing? How is it biological?

Sex is biological. Gender isn't.

So then why would transgenderism be biological?
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HydraSlayer82 posted...

UncleBourbon33 posted...

Isn't it a mental thing? How is it biological?

Sex is biological. Gender isn't.

Brain scans. Gender is biological too.
http://stanmed.stanford.edu/2017spring/how-mens-and-womens-brains-are-different.html
It does make some feminists mad though.
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GiftedACIII posted...

Howl posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

The only type of people who would be against it are the the kind of brain dead morons

Or anybody with even a slight amount of intelligence that can read about the fact that transgender people are almost 10 times more likely to commit suicide than any other demographic and that that rate actually goes up for post op trans people.

Don't know why I'm responding to a uneducated joke account who's probably intentionally getting every aspect of his post wrong. But whatever, I'll correct it in case anyone is reading. A. Transgenderism is biological. B. No, post-op people do not commit suicide more than pre-op, that is just pure bullshit that you've twisted in your head. C. Operations =/= Hormones.

You're full of shit.

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

"The overall mortality for sex-reassigned persons was higher during follow-up (aHR 2.8; 95% CI 1.8–4.3) than for controls of the same birth sex, particularly death from suicide"
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Howl posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

The only type of people who would be against it are the the kind of brain dead morons

Or anybody with even a slight amount of intelligence that can read about the fact that transgender people are almost 10 times more likely to commit suicide than any other demographic and that that rate actually goes up for post op trans people.

I've heard this before but usually from sites like CNS News. I would like to see some statistics on it and I would like for them to include data on suicide rates for trans people who in fact did it early as described in this topic, though I feel like that would be difficult. I've also heard this hormone thing at early age is fairly new, so such data isn't really available at this time. It will be eventually, and it's very possible that it could favor your side. I doubt that will be the case, but I accept that outcome as reasonably possible.

Still, it comes down to how well the parents know their child. It's not a decision that is made lightly. It's not an out of the blue "Hey mommy, daddy, I know I'm a boy but I want to be a woman when I grow up" "Well okay, son. LOL I mean daughter. We'll put you on some meds tomorrow and call some doctors about getting that pesky penis of yours turned into a vagina..." (pst, honey, let's make the surgery a birthday present. Might even be cheaper than a pony ;)!!!) Not how the process works.
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Howl posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

Howl posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

The only type of people who would be against it are the the kind of brain dead morons

Or anybody with even a slight amount of intelligence that can read about the fact that transgender people are almost 10 times more likely to commit suicide than any other demographic and that that rate actually goes up for post op trans people.

Don't know why I'm responding to a uneducated joke account who's probably intentionally getting every aspect of his post wrong. But whatever, I'll correct it in case anyone is reading. A. Transgenderism is biological. B. No, post-op people do not commit suicide more than pre-op, that is just pure bullshit that you've twisted in your head. C. Operations =/= Hormones.

You're full of shit.

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

"The overall mortality for sex-reassigned persons was higher during follow-up (aHR 2.8; 95% CI 1.8â??4.3) than for controls of the same birth sex, particularly death from suicide"

Well partial ninja here. I don't get the gobbledygook in parentheses here.
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Howl posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

Howl posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

The only type of people who would be against it are the the kind of brain dead morons

Or anybody with even a slight amount of intelligence that can read about the fact that transgender people are almost 10 times more likely to commit suicide than any other demographic and that that rate actually goes up for post op trans people.

Don't know why I'm responding to a uneducated joke account who's probably intentionally getting every aspect of his post wrong. But whatever, I'll correct it in case anyone is reading. A. Transgenderism is biological. B. No, post-op people do not commit suicide more than pre-op, that is just pure bullshit that you've twisted in your head. C. Operations =/= Hormones.

You're full of shit.

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

"The overall mortality for sex-reassigned persons was higher during follow-up (aHR 2.8; 95% CI 1.8–4.3) than for controls of the same birth sex, particularly death from suicide"

This is an issue of your bad reading comprehension. Your study compares transgenders with the OVERALL population. Obviously transgender people as a whole have higher suicide rates than normal cisgender people. However, what I said was that Post-Op transgenders didn't have a higher suicide rate than Pre-Op transgenders. That study says nothing about that. But this study shows that suicide rates go down the closer to completion transition is. http://www.torontosun.com/2015/06/08/suicide-rate-much-higher-for-transgender-canadians-study
https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12889-015-1867-2
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GiftedACIII posted...

Howl posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

Howl posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

The only type of people who would be against it are the the kind of brain dead morons

Or anybody with even a slight amount of intelligence that can read about the fact that transgender people are almost 10 times more likely to commit suicide than any other demographic and that that rate actually goes up for post op trans people.

Don't know why I'm responding to a uneducated joke account who's probably intentionally getting every aspect of his post wrong. But whatever, I'll correct it in case anyone is reading. A. Transgenderism is biological. B. No, post-op people do not commit suicide more than pre-op, that is just pure bullshit that you've twisted in your head. C. Operations =/= Hormones.

You're full of shit.

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

"The overall mortality for sex-reassigned persons was higher during follow-up (aHR 2.8; 95% CI 1.8âââ€Â¬Ã¢â‚¬4.3) than for controls of the same birth sex, particularly death from suicide"

This is an issue of your bad reading comprehension. Obviously transgender people as a whole have higher suicide rates than normal cisgender people. However, what I said was that Post-Op transgenders didn't have a higher suicide rate than Pre-Op. That study says nothing about that. But this study shows that suicide rates go down the closer to completion transition is. http://www.torontosun.com/2015/06/08/suicide-rate-much-higher-for-transgender-canadians-study
https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12889-015-1867-2

Sorry I didn't post the next sentence and you didn't bother to read it because it literally does say that.

"The overall mortality for sex-reassigned persons was higher during follow-up (aHR 2.8; 95% CI 1.8â€â€4.3) than for controls of the same birth sex, particularly death from suicide (aHR 19.1; 95% CI 5.8â€â€62.9). Sex-reassigned persons also had an increased risk for suicide attempts (aHR 4.9; 95% CI 2.9â€â€8.5) and psychiatric inpatient care (aHR 2.8; 95% CI 2.0â€â€3.9). ""Comparisons with controls matched on reassigned sex yielded similar results.""
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hollow_shrine posted...

Duncanwii posted...

I believe that if a child is transgender it's best to start as early as possible. Maybe not very early, but around 7 or 8 when they 100% know they're trans. Not doing so will just put info suffering and mental anguish on them as they go through puberty.

Most advocate using puberty blockers as part of the pre-transition therapy to let patients make their choices without the pressure of the biological clock. People who ultimately do transition also experience more satisfying outcomes than those that wait and then end up relying on surgery to hide the vestiges of their biological sex.

There are no side effects. Ending the treatment allows puberty to proceed as normal. There are kind of only benefits here with no harms.

Is there an age where it's to late to stop the blockers? How long can you take them for?
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If somebody is actually transgender then they should be put on hormones when they're still young.
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