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Antifar
07/21/17 1:10:41 PM
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world-0/us-politics/donald-trump-saudi-arabia-mujtaba-a-al-sweikat-arrest-airport-riyadh-west-michigan-university-a7850226.html

Donald Trump and Theresa May are being urged to intervene in the case of a Saudi Arabian student who won a place at a US university but faces beheading for protesting against the government in the gulf state.

Mujtaba’a al-Sweikat was due to start studying at Western Michigan University but was arrested in 2012 at a Saudi airport as he was about to fly to the US, aged just 17.

He was part of a group of 14 young men arrested for attending pro-democracy protests in the ultra-conservative kingdom, which has one of the worst human rights records in the world and is believed to have executed 57 people so far this year.

According to Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International, the men confessed to crimes under torture and were put on death row after more than two and a half years of pre-trial detention. Many have since retracted their confessions.

The UK charity Reprieve understands that one of the condemned men is half-deaf and partially blind.

Mr Al-Sweikat was tried in June 2016 and sentenced to death by beheading, with the verdict upheld on 25 May this year, according to the US teachers’ union the American Federation of Teachers.

The student has been locked up for the past five years in the eastern city of Dammam, but was recently moved to the capital Riyadh where executions are carried out, along with the other 13 men.

Saudi Arabia uses methods including beheading, stoning and crucifixion to execute its citizens for crimes, including adultery, in the strict Islamic country. Beheadings often take place in public squares where the headless corpses are later put on display.

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hockeybub89
07/21/17 1:11:17 PM
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E32005
07/21/17 1:12:39 PM
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Trumps Saudi Arabia

Thanks for really changing the way washington works, Trump. You really lived up to those campaign promises...
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Questionmarktarius
07/21/17 1:13:03 PM
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This is why fracking bans are bad.
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GOOMFalse
07/21/17 1:13:25 PM
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No way, didn't see that coming
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bluezero
07/21/17 1:18:48 PM
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Xelltrix
07/21/17 1:20:18 PM
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How is this Trump's fault, wut? Lol.
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metralo
07/21/17 1:21:15 PM
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good thing trump gives these guys billions and billions and they weren't included in the "muslim ban"
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Questionmarktarius
07/21/17 1:22:10 PM
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Xelltrix posted...
How is this Trump's fault, wut? Lol.

Something about not including Saudis in that travel ban the same sort of people vehemently despise anyway.
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07/21/17 1:22:34 PM
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hockeybub89
07/21/17 1:24:08 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Xelltrix posted...
How is this Trump's fault, wut? Lol.

Something about not including Saudis in that travel ban the same sort of people vehemently despise anyway.

If you're going to do something, no half measures.

He half asses his ban that is supposed to stop terrorism and he is sucking Saudi dick like any other President.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
07/21/17 1:26:07 PM
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This is something I am not going to blame trump for
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Xelltrix
07/21/17 1:27:17 PM
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But, again, how is that Trump's fault? They'd be beheading people regardless.
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Questionmarktarius
07/21/17 1:27:23 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
He half asses his ban that is supposed to stop terrorism and he is sucking Saudi dick like any other President.

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Questionmarktarius posted...
This is why fracking bans are bad.
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TheVipaGTS
07/21/17 1:27:41 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Xelltrix posted...
How is this Trump's fault, wut? Lol.

Something about not including Saudis in that travel ban the same sort of people vehemently despise anyway.

If you're going to do something, no half measures.

He half asses his ban that is supposed to stop terrorism and he is sucking Saudi dick like any other President.

I also love how a common defense of Saudi not being included is "Obamas admin didn't even have Saudi on their list! Trump uses that list!"...so what now all you people who attacked everything Obama did agree with his admin on this?
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TheVipaGTS
07/21/17 1:28:05 PM
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Xelltrix posted...
But, again, how is that Trump's fault? They'd be beheading people regardless.

No one is saying this is his fault...
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hockeybub89
07/21/17 1:28:48 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
He half asses his ban that is supposed to stop terrorism and he is sucking Saudi dick like any other President.

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Questionmarktarius posted...
This is why fracking bans are bad.

Well we shouldn't use oil at all either, but the government has to be beholden to oil execs.
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Xelltrix
07/21/17 1:29:47 PM
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TheVipaGTS posted...
Xelltrix posted...
But, again, how is that Trump's fault? They'd be beheading people regardless.

No one is saying this is his fault...


Trumps Saudi Arabia

Straight up right there at the top and bringing Trump up in the topics. I don't get it. He didn't ban them for the same reason the Obama administration didn't list em, greed.
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Doom_Art
07/21/17 1:29:59 PM
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Too bad our so-called President is so soft on Saudi Arabia
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Sativa_Rose
07/21/17 1:30:58 PM
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This helped turned Bin Laden into the terrorist he eventually became. By "this", I mean Saudi Arabia's policy of making protests illegal.

Bin Laden met with King Fahd, and Saudi Defense Minister Sultan, telling them not to depend on non-Muslim assistance from the United States and others, and offering to help defend Saudi Arabia with his Arab legion. Bin Laden's offer was rebuffed, and the Saudi monarchy invited the deployment of U.S. forces in Saudi territory.[104] Bin Laden publicly denounced Saudi dependence on the U.S. military, arguing the two holiest shrines of Islam, Mecca and Medina, the cities in which the Prophet Mohamed received and recited Allah's message, should only be defended by Muslims. Bin Laden's criticism of the Saudi monarchy led them to try to silence him. The U.S. 82nd Airborne Division landed in the north-eastern Saudi city of Dhahran and was deployed in the desert barely 400 miles from Medina.[103]

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Bin Laden continued to speak publicly against the Saudi government, for which the Saudis banished him. In 1992 he went to live in exile in Sudan, in a deal brokered by Ali Mohamed.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden#Formation_and_structuring_of_al-Qaeda

The only difference is Bin Laden was from a super rich and powerful family so he was able to get banished instead of getting executed...
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TheVipaGTS
07/21/17 1:32:51 PM
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Xelltrix posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
Xelltrix posted...
But, again, how is that Trump's fault? They'd be beheading people regardless.

No one is saying this is his fault...


Trumps Saudi Arabia

Straight up right there at the top and bringing Trump up in the topics. I don't get it. He didn't ban them for the same reason the Obama administration didn't list em, greed.

That's not saying he's at fault for this. It's just pointing out that maybe we shouldn't be best buds with a place like this.
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Questionmarktarius
07/21/17 1:34:04 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Well we shouldn't use oil at all either, but the government has to be beholden to oil execs.

Until electric cars drop below $15000, and everyone stops freaking the hell out about nuclear, that's the best we got.
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Xelltrix
07/21/17 1:39:03 PM
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TheVipaGTS posted...
Xelltrix posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
Xelltrix posted...
But, again, how is that Trump's fault? They'd be beheading people regardless.

No one is saying this is his fault...


Trumps Saudi Arabia

Straight up right there at the top and bringing Trump up in the topics. I don't get it. He didn't ban them for the same reason the Obama administration didn't list em, greed.

That's not saying he's at fault for this. It's just pointing out that maybe we shouldn't be best buds with a place like this.


Well if that's the case then okay, I agree. Though I'm pretty sure when we used to see these topics there were a lot of apologist going on complaining about using Saudi Arabia to justify racism or whatever so it's interesting how that shifted


I was expecting a lot of glossing over how terrible they are as usual and complaining about TC looking for these news articles just to bad mouth the religion like I usually see. This is a new tactic.
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3rd_Best_Master
07/21/17 1:41:04 PM
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Is Trump still praising Saudi Arabia for their lack of protesters?
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Xelltrix
07/21/17 1:48:04 PM
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I wouldn't put it past him if he did. I still don't get how supporters can be egging on his desire to get rid of the media..
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Questionmarktarius
07/21/17 1:51:12 PM
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Xelltrix posted...
I wouldn't put it past him if he did. I still don't get how supporters can be egging on his desire to get rid of the media..

When Wolf Blitzer is condemned to death for disrespecting the president, I'll be quite concerned.
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hockeybub89
07/21/17 1:52:23 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Xelltrix posted...
I wouldn't put it past him if he did. I still don't get how supporters can be egging on his desire to get rid of the media..

When Wolf Blitzer is condemned to death for disrespecting the president, I'll be quite concerned.

"Better than Sharia Arabia" is quite a low bar to hold your country to.
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Xelltrix
07/21/17 1:53:40 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Xelltrix posted...
I wouldn't put it past him if he did. I still don't get how supporters can be egging on his desire to get rid of the media..

When Wolf Blitzer is condemned to death for disrespecting the president, I'll be quite concerned.

"Better than Sharia Arabia" is quite a low bar to hold your country to.



Seriously.

Oh, well in Saudi Arabia they behead people so you can't complain. Oh in North Korea, you're jailed or executed so we're not really doing anything that bad if we silence the media.
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Questionmarktarius
07/21/17 1:53:53 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Xelltrix posted...
I wouldn't put it past him if he did. I still don't get how supporters can be egging on his desire to get rid of the media..

When Wolf Blitzer is condemned to death for disrespecting the president, I'll be quite concerned.

"Better than Sharia Arabia" is quite a low bar to hold your country to.

See also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A8se-majest%C3%A9#Current_laws
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Questionmarktarius
07/21/17 1:55:39 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
3rd_Best_Master posted...
Is Trump still praising Saudi Arabia for their lack of protesters?

Yeah I was expecting more mockery about this instead of a weird debate

Too bad nobody explained to Trump exactly why that is.
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Questionmarktarius
07/21/17 2:00:22 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
3rd_Best_Master posted...
Is Trump still praising Saudi Arabia for their lack of protesters?

Yeah I was expecting more mockery about this instead of a weird debate

Too bad nobody explained to Trump exactly why that is.

I'm sure people tried at least, only so much you can do when someone has no interest in not sounding like an idiot

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Zero_Destroyer
07/21/17 10:35:24 PM
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Xelltrix posted...
But, again, how is that Trump's fault? They'd be beheading people regardless.


It's not his fault directly, but he does financially and politically enable a terrorist regime to function. This makes him a hypocrite and extremely immoral, albeit not "at fault" in the same way the Saudi Arabia government is.
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Axiom
07/21/17 10:51:47 PM
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Antifar posted...
Donald Trump and Theresa May are being urged to intervene in the case of a Saudi Arabian student who won a place at a US university but faces beheading for protesting against the government in the gulf state.

Good luck with that. Selling weapons to them is far more important in both Trump and May's eyes than saving his life
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Ammonitida
07/21/17 10:55:07 PM
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This is sickening. Life is cheap in Saudi Arabia. This is the country that should be sanctioned for human right abuses not Russia.
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Trumpo
07/21/17 10:56:12 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Well we shouldn't use oil at all either, but the government has to be beholden to oil execs.

Until electric cars drop below $15000, and everyone stops freaking the hell out about nuclear, that's the best we got.

You can pick up a last generation Chevy Volt for under that price.
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Mandasnake
07/21/17 10:57:16 PM
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Keep fracking....we need to crash them.
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WaterLink
07/21/17 10:59:09 PM
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TheVipaGTS posted...
I also love how a common defense of Saudi not being included is "Obamas admin didn't even have Saudi on their list! Trump uses that list!"...so what now all you people who attacked everything Obama did agree with his admin on this?

I doubt that's what they're saying. What they're probably asking is did Obama supporters attack Obama as well for not listing them? If Obama was still president he probably wouldn't even be mentioned in this at all and we'd just be talking about how backwards Saudi Arabia is. But because it's Trump he has to be brought into the discussion and then pushed to the forefront on a topic that has almost nothing to do with him.
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Vertania
07/21/17 11:02:07 PM
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Xelltrix
07/21/17 11:54:32 PM
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WaterLink posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
I also love how a common defense of Saudi not being included is "Obamas admin didn't even have Saudi on their list! Trump uses that list!"...so what now all you people who attacked everything Obama did agree with his admin on this?

I doubt that's what they're saying. What they're probably asking is did Obama supporters attack Obama as well for not listing them? If Obama was still president he probably wouldn't even be mentioned in this at all and we'd just be talking about how backwards Saudi Arabia is. But because it's Trump he has to be brought into the discussion and then pushed to the forefront on a topic that has almost nothing to do with him.


That's essentially my point with asking in the first place.

I've always been annoyed with liberal opinion on Saudi Arabi or their input on any type of displeasure towards Islamic culture and yet now we're finally speaking up about it now that Trump's president rather than when Obama was. It's annoying... but at least we're not just sweeping it under the rug.
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Sayoria
07/21/17 11:56:19 PM
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Trump is probably making arrangements to get a live showing of the execution on his TV.
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sondast
07/23/17 10:11:22 PM
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So how's that drained swamp?
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I is smart
07/24/17 11:42:25 PM
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Zero_Destroyer posted...
Xelltrix posted...
But, again, how is that Trump's fault? They'd be beheading people regardless.


It's not his fault directly, but he does financially and politically enable a terrorist regime to function. This makes him a hypocrite and extremely immoral, albeit not "at fault" in the same way the Saudi Arabia government is.


You say this as if things would've been any different with Hillary in charge. How much money did she receive from them again?
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Medz2017
07/24/17 11:53:40 PM
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Can not wait to see how Trump and the rest of the Republicans are going to blame Obama.
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