Poll of the Day > Male Doctor Who Fans are OUTRAGED that the 13th Doctor is a WOMAN!!!

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I wouldn't like if the makers of something I really liked made a drastic change to a character

Literally EVERY regeneration is a drastic change. The Doctors whole personality changes.

Babbit55 posted...

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I wouldn't like if the makers of something I really liked made a drastic change to a character

Literally EVERY regeneration is a drastic change. The Doctors whole personality changes.

Why hasn't there been a female doctor up until now?
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Babbit55 posted...

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I wouldn't like if the makers of something I really liked made a drastic change to a character

Literally EVERY regeneration is a drastic change. The Doctors whole personality changes.

Why hasn't there been a female doctor up until now?

Because of what is happening right now. The Doctor is an Alien with 2 hearts that regenerates in a new body every time that they die. Noone lost it when the Master became Missy (Also the actress is awesome), Noone lost it when the General regenerated as a woman. Noone lost it when Cardinal Zero regenerated as a bird person.

Matt Smith checked his Adams apple to see his gender, he also checked how many arms and legs he had. William Hartell saw the faces of his past lives (Some women) back when the show began.

You tell me, why are people so up in arms that a time travelling alien that changes body frequently may suddenly change into another body in line with the cannon of the show?

We should be celebrating, Moffet is gone, and Jodie Whittaker is a really good Actress.

Babbit55 posted...

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Babbit55 posted...

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I wouldn't like if the makers of something I really liked made a drastic change to a character

Literally EVERY regeneration is a drastic change. The Doctors whole personality changes.

Why hasn't there been a female doctor up until now?

Because of what is happening right now. The Doctor is an Alien with 2 hearts that regenerates in a new body every time that they die. Noone lost it when the Master became Missy (Also the actress is awesome), Noone lost it when the General regenerated as a woman. Noone lost it when Cardinal Zero regenerated as a bird person.

Matt Smith checked his Adams apple to see his gender, he also checked how many arms and legs he had. William Hartell saw the faces of his past lives (Some women) back when the show began.

You tell me, why are people so up in arms that a time travelling alien that changes body frequently may suddenly change into another body in line with the cannon of the show?

We should be celebrating, Moffet is gone, and Jodie Whittaker is a really good Actress.

I'll have to ask my wife what she thinks about that. I'm not really a Doctor Who fan so I don't know what you're talking about with all of that. I'm just wondering, if all of what you say is true, why did they wait until now to make a female doctor? Personally, from what I've been told, the show is currently in the shitter creatively, and it looks like they're trying to make headlines and pander by making this move.
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Kimbo said that the Doctor could never be a woman though.
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Metal_Gear_Link posted...

He is an alien and none of humanity religions existed in his planet

"Katashi Yamada is Japanese and Christianity didn't exist in his country"

fettster777 posted...

I watched like the first 8 or so episodes of the first season with Christopher Eccleston and gave up on the entire series.

Pretty sure William Hartnell was the Doctor in the first season.
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Look on the bright side – women used to rate doctors by how "hot" they are, and now we can too.
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I just thought of a decent reason challenging this change canonically.

Sexuality.

If he was straight before, no straight man would be okay with this change, they would freak out and their romance options would be dead.

If the doctor was bisexual this would still be an issue. If you are a bi male then you usually still like to have gay sex with other men not straight.

That would mean the doctor would have gender dysphoria to be alright with this change.

So if the new doctor comes around and seems to be happy go lucky and acting like he just woke up to another normal day then this just destroys any canon behind this change. The Doctor needs experience a person conflict. Also had the doctor shown interest before in changes sex? Because if not this is totally left field.

The only Doctor Who I'm familiar with is that one from the early '80s (???) with the creepy synth opening. I watched reruns of it when I was a kid. I don't see why it matters as long as the show's quality doesn't get Paul Feig'd.
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dioxxys posted...

Sexuality.

Man, I miss the days when the Doctor, even with female companions galore, showed zero sexual interest in human beings.
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Anyone here seen TV show called Community?

"A notable replacement for the main character was the first, and so far only, female lead Minerva. She was created in the shadow of the second wave feminist movement that was gaining momentum in the late '60s and early '70s. However, it was hard to overcome the prevailing social attitudes of the times. In addition, some fans found Minerva (and her actress) to be quite annoying. Consequently, she is often considered by a majority of fans to be the worst Inspector ever. Recently there has been a vocal minority of fans who see her character as a trailblazer and an important step in equality for actresses in lead roles. They consider her a role model for girls and also a forebearer of female action adventure heroes like Buffy and Xena. Despite this, the very word "Minerva" has become slang amongst the Inspector Spacetime fandom to refer to a disagreeable female."
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Babbit55 posted...

Noone lost it when the Master became Missy (Also the actress is awesome),

The Master and General aren't the main fucking characters of the show. And yes, people were fucking furious when The Master got genderbent. The amazing actress who played Missy changed a lot of opinions, but she still gets loads of hate from the fandom.

And Jodie Whittaker's not even a good enough actress to fit the role. All her tv acting is shit. Never seen her stage work, but I've never seen a convincing play in my life, anyway. Theater seems reserved for those who can't make it to TV.
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I like how people assume this was done as a political stunt. Yes, Moffat's handling of the show had a grotesque and repulsive amount of pushing a single viewpoint on its audience, matched only by his own ego stroking and constant dropping of plot threads that went nowhere, but Chibnall isn't Moffat. We have not seen Chibnall's five year plan. What we HAVE seen, aside from the few things Chibnall's written under Davis and Moffat's showrunning, is that he had a history of working with Jodie Whittaker in another show.

For all you know, Chibnall liked what he saw enough to hire Whittaker on her own merits, rather than shits and giggles like, "Oh, we need a woman just for sake of having one; here you go." No, I actually doubt it was anything more than coincidence.

Reserve your judgment for how she does with the role given to her, and also for the show's direction.
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The poster is out!
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itsyourlife posted...

Theater seems reserved for those who can't make it to TV.

Considering that Daniel Radcliffe was in theater when he was brought in to play Harry Potter, or the number of renowned actors who have entered or left the TV and cinematic screens who also spent time in theater, whether before or afterward? That's hardly an educated or enlightened opinion so much as it's a biased one.

It should be noted that I've seen recorded footage of her and Chris Eccleston acting in the same play. The one role was not enough to help me form an opinion as to how she might turn out as a Doctor.

Also, I should like to note that my least favorite of the numbered Doctors was alleged for his acting chops, but Peter Davisson's Doctor came across as a stick in the mud more often than not. A large part of that was the writing and show handling in the 80s. I ended up liking him better in the Big Finish audio plays, though still not as much as other numbered Doctors.

John Hurt was also an actor with a range for acting, but look at how his Doctor Who role turned out. Forced, nowhere as grimdark as advertised, and audiences had mixed feelings about War Doctor in general.

What I'm trying to say is that experiences and acting range do not necessarily make the Doctor. You might not have an excellent opinion on Jodie's limited performances on the TV screen, but she hasn't given us her rendition of the Doctor yet. And saying "She must be bad because she's a theater actor, and theater actors are less than any other" is a sham of a statement, no matter how you word it.
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anyone have any flaws to point out with my point about the doctors sexuality and how only a doctor with gender dysphoria would be okay with this sudden change in their physiology?

dioxxys posted...

anyone have any flaws to point out with my point about the doctors sexuality and how only a doctor with gender dysphoria would be okay with this sudden change in their physiology?

Yeah

dioxxys posted...

If he was straight before, no straight man would be okay with this change, they would freak out and their romance options would be dead.

He's not a straight man. I'd wager some straight men would be ok with it.

He's an alien that respawns in all manner of bodies. So far he's just been human male, and it's not unexpected for them to take on other forms. Whether that's another sex or species... It happens. That's like their default setting, that you may be different, they anticipate this.

Human sexuality doesn't apply to a time lord
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dioxxys posted...

anyone have any flaws to point out with my point about the doctors sexuality and how only a doctor with gender dysphoria would be okay with this sudden change in their physiology?

I didn't see this argument of yours, but it sounds like an absolute assumption. The Doctor's attraction to companions didn't really come into play, either, until Paul McGann's Eight, and that's counting First's short time with Katherine before she died, or his family he had on Gallifrey before running off with his granddaughter.

The idea of transforming into another anatomical sex was never discussed before Moffat's poor handling of the show, either, so it's most likely not a sexuality or dysphoric thing, and more of a "Oh, this just happened. Now what?" The Doctor never truly had control over which face s/he took on, with that moment in Ninth Series being a Moffatian load of crap.

But hey, it's not the first time something was said or done in the show that wound up being ignored throughout the rest of the series. *Glares at a certain moment in "The Brain of Morbius"*
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I don't care who is cast as the doctor. I stopped watching it because the writing of the show had gotten much worse in recent series.
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Entity13 posted...

dioxxys posted...

anyone have any flaws to point out with my point about the doctors sexuality and how only a doctor with gender dysphoria would be okay with this sudden change in their physiology?

I didn't see this argument of yours, but it sounds like an absolute assumption. The Doctor's attraction to companions didn't really come into play, either, until Paul McGann's Eight, and that's counting First's short time with Katherine before she died, or his family he had on Gallifrey before running off with his granddaughter.

The idea of transforming into another anatomical sex was never discussed before Moffat's poor handling of the show, either, so it's most likely not a sexuality or dysphoric thing, and more of a "Oh, this just happened. Now what?" The Doctor never truly had control over which face s/he took on, with that moment in Ninth Series being a Moffatian load of crap.

But hey, it's not the first time something was said or done in the show that wound up being ignored throughout the rest of the series. *Glares at a certain moment in "The Brain of Morbius"*

And it's all irrelevant when you remember that Time Lords aren't limited to sexual reproduction. They can do it, but it's highly unusual.

So they don't go into relationships looking for suitable reproductive partners. Just partners.
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itsyourlife posted...

So they don't go into relationships looking for suitable reproductive partners. Just partners.

The companion term is fitting.
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I guess him being an alien can explain away anything really

itsyourlife posted...

And it's all irrelevant when you remember that Time Lords aren't limited to sexual reproduction.

Gallifreyans are infertile. They reproduce via Genetic Loom.
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

itsyourlife posted...

And it's all irrelevant when you remember that Time Lords aren't limited to sexual reproduction.

Gallifreyans are infertile. They reproduce via Genetic Loom.

But can they have sex?
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

itsyourlife posted...

And it's all irrelevant when you remember that Time Lords aren't limited to sexual reproduction.

Gallifreyans are infertile. They reproduce via Genetic Loom.

Then explain how the Doctor has a human mother.
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

itsyourlife posted...

And it's all irrelevant when you remember that Time Lords aren't limited to sexual reproduction.

Gallifreyans are infertile. They reproduce via Genetic Loom.

That's only according to one novel, and it's canonical status is rather questionable.

I don't watch the series and I still don't intend to, but I get the vibe this change will cause certain people to either consider the show great solely because there's a woman or denounce it for the same reason.
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123pizza2 posted...

this change will cause certain people to either consider the show great solely because there's a woman or denounce it for the same reason.

I mean I personally dont care but this is almost the same as if they made James Bond, Jane Bond.

You think people have no reason to be mad and that if they are mad that the doctor is now a woman then they are just sexists? And it has nothing to do with the Doctor being a man ever since the shows birth in 1963? Or that this changed the main role simply to pander to "progressiveness"?

dioxxys posted...

123pizza2 posted...

this change will cause certain people to either consider the show great solely because there's a woman or denounce it for the same reason.

I mean I personally dont care but this is almost the same as if they made James Bond, Jane Bond.

You think people have no reason to be mad and that if they are mad that the doctor is now a woman then they are just sexists? And it has nothing to do with the Doctor being a man ever since the shows birth in 1963? Or that this changed the main role simply to pander to "progressiveness"?

All of this. Genderbending regenerations wasn't even a thing until that SJW-panderer Moffatt became showrunner.

Despite my anger at the casting choice and my great disdain for Jodie Whittaker, I will be giving her Doctor a fair shot. I'm a fairly new fan, only picked up in Tennant's first season (have now seen all the new series and all available episodes of the Classic series), but I love the series too much just to drop it because I hate a casting choice.

She gets 1 season to make her mark as the Doctor. If she fails, I'll skip until the next regen.

But I hope she succeeds
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dioxxys posted...

123pizza2 posted...

this change will cause certain people to either consider the show great solely because there's a woman or denounce it for the same reason.

I mean I personally dont care but this is almost the same as if they made James Bond, Jane Bond.

No. James Bond doesn't regenerate. He might change actors, but the change in his appearance is either never addressed (most of the changes), or given a one-off joke regarding plastic surgery (Moore, IIRC), or the films are treated as a full reboot of the series (Craig).

itsyourlife posted...

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Gallifreyans are infertile. They reproduce via Genetic Loom.

Then explain how the Doctor has a human mother.

According to theories about the Cartmel Masterplan the show would drop hints about The Doctor being a different figure in Galifreyan history. This figures life would have ended by being Re-Loomed and creating a new individual, The 1st Doctor. The show was cancelled before the plan was fully revealed. It would be that figure who had a human mother.
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KthulhuX posted...

James Bond doesn't regenerate. He might change actors, but the change in his appearance is either never addressed (most of the changes), or given a one-off joke regarding plastic surgery (Moore, IIRC), or the films are treated as a full reboot of the series (Craig).

I thought it had been acknowledged in the movies that 'James Bond' was a code name that would accompany the designation 007, which would then be reassigned to certain agents as needed.
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

itsyourlife posted...

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Gallifreyans are infertile. They reproduce via Genetic Loom.

Then explain how the Doctor has a human mother.

According to theories about the Cartmel Masterplan the show would drop hints about The Doctor being a different figure in Galifreyan history. This figures life would have ended by being Re-Loomed and creating a new individual, The 1st Doctor. The show was cancelled before the plan was fully revealed. It would be that figure who had a human mother.

I've never seen any reliable source that claims that that's definitely the way the actual TV show was going to go. Most of what I've seen is fans who read the book and have convinced themselves that that's the way it should be.

KthulhuX posted...

I've never seen any reliable source that claims that that's definitely the way the actual TV show was going to go. Most of what I've seen is fans who read the book and have convinced themselves that that's the way it should be.

I said it was a theory.
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Blighboy posted...

I hope the next Doctor is a dog.

Lol.
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Relevant
https://twitter.com/BBCTwo/status/888344113023782912
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Too late, Torchwood: Miracle Day already had a giant vagina as the monster.

I wonder if Doctor changed his gender because Bill said she's not into dudes.
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