Current Events > Is Bill from the Pokemon TCG banned like Pot of Greed.

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As you know Bill, like Pot of Greed, lets you draw 2 cards.
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I don't think officially it is, but they rotate old sets out of competitive play and nothing with the effect of just "draw 2 cards" has been offered in well over a decade.
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I don't really play Pokemon but as I understand it draw power in that game is way more widespread and allowed. I mean in Pokemon I'm pretty sure you can only equip like one energy per turn or something? So no matter how much you draw you can only progress so fast. Could be wrong since I don't play it

Pot of Greed is banned in Yugioh because there are no limits to what you are allowed to do (for example there is nothing stopping someone with Imperial Iron Wall and a tuner from discarding 2 Quillbolt Hedgehogs, using them for a Link Summon, then continuously special summoning them back until you make a full field of high-powered Links or more). Yugioh is also often reliant on certain cards starting a combo of plays and drawing more cards makes it way easier to do that when there are 40 card decks and three copies of that card in it.

I mean, even Upstart Goblin, a card that only lets you draw 1 card AND gives your opponent 1,000 LP, is limited.
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Card advantage isn't nearly as important in Pokemon as it is in Yu-Gi-Oh because of the resource system. You need energy cards on your Pokemon to do any actual damage to the opponent, and you can normally only play one per turn no matter how many cards you draw. So drawing cards doesn't directly help your objective in Pokemon because you still have to wait a few turns to play the energy cards needed. Similarly, Magic The Gathering has its mana system which basically functions the same way to limit the number of big plays that can be done in the early game.

But in Yu-Gi-Oh, there's no resource system like those in Pokemon and Magic. There's basically no limit to what you can do in one turn as long as you have the cards to do it, so each individual card you have more than the opponent means a lot more than in Pokemon or Magic. Pot Of Greed being a free +1 is an absolute gamebreaker in Yu-Gi-Oh, and literally every deck in existence would run as many of them as possible if it were allowed. But the equivalent cards in Pokemon (Bill) and Magic (Divination) are much weaker by comparison because card advantage isn't as big a deal in those games due to the resource systems used in those games.

That's why they're not banned but Pot Of Greed is and always will be.

EDIT: Someone beat me to the explanation. That's what I get for going into more detail than necessary.
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Bill is banned simply due to being rotated out of the official ruleset.
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Solar_Crimson posted...

Bill is banned simply due to being rotated out of the official ruleset.

Banned and rotated out aren't the same thing. I don't remember if Pokemon does this or not, but Magic has lots of different formats that include cards from older sets that have been out of standard for years, sometimes even over a decade.

In Magic, cards can be banned from standard but allowed in Modern or Vintage formats. Sometimes, cards are even banned from older formats due to a certain combo involving old cards, but they're perfectly fine when they're in standard.
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Yeah and vintage Pokemon TCG is fun to play but extremely dull to watch. There's very little that goes on at many point in time. Though I feel the same about Magic, too
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legendarylemur posted...

Yeah and vintage Pokemon TCG is fun to play but extremely dull to watch. There's very little that goes on at many point in time. Though I feel the same about Magic, too

Modern Pokemon TCG has gotten way too overpowered. I saw a Steelix card that dies 100 damage per coin flip. PER COIN FLIP, and that's until you get tails. I'll take the original cards thank you very much.
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Duncanwii posted...

legendarylemur posted...

Yeah and vintage Pokemon TCG is fun to play but extremely dull to watch. There's very little that goes on at many point in time. Though I feel the same about Magic, too

Modern Pokemon TCG has gotten way too overpowered. I saw a Steelix card that dies 100 damage per coin flip. PER COIN FLIP, and that's until you get tails. I'll take the original cards thank you very much.

Perhaps. It's a matter of balance. The old Pokemon's problems were that it took too long to set up or wasn't always worth it to set up because the damages were low and luck based regardless. Making the game faster is better, but yes, maybe like easy 200+ damage is exceedingly excessive lul
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Duncanwii posted...

legendarylemur posted...

Yeah and vintage Pokemon TCG is fun to play but extremely dull to watch. There's very little that goes on at many point in time. Though I feel the same about Magic, too

Modern Pokemon TCG has gotten way too overpowered. I saw a Steelix card that dies 100 damage per coin flip. PER COIN FLIP, and that's until you get tails. I'll take the original cards thank you very much.

Well steelix is a evolution pokemon so you need to evolve an onix in order to play it. Then it's also likely an Ex which has the downside of giving your opponent 2 prizes when defeated.
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Found the card it's this one:
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Steelix-EX_(Steam_Siege_67)
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Yeah it being an EX is definitely a pretty big double edged sword.
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I don't know that much about pokemon but I'm pretty sure that steelix EX is awful lol
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But you need 5 energies to even do that lol
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Pokemon TCG isn't that fun to me. Idk why.

I played as a kid and then when PTCGO came out my friend got me to play it for awhile. It seemed like too often it was a sweep one way or the other, so the whole "I have a party of 6 pokemon" thing didn't really seem to do much.
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