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That_Happened
07/12/17 5:08:40 PM
#101:


TheBiggerWiggle posted...
TC is either stupid or trolling. The phrase has been explained to him multiple times in multiple ways at this point. If he can't understand it now he never will.


"I totally understand what it means. But some people might get confused. They might! Because like everyone knows, May is mental health awareness month. It's on the tip of everyone's tongue each year. It's all Americans talk about in May. They throw parties and have parades..."
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Muffinz0rz
07/12/17 5:25:26 PM
#102:


DarkChozoGhost posted...
Is relieving stress good for your mental health? Yes, it is.

I know you're new to this topic, but I've covered this. I have no problem taking a day off to release stress and thus help your mental state. My issue lies with the verbiage.

DarkChozoGhost posted...
No they are not.

Yes, they are. They won't own up to the fact that they just want a day off to relax. Which, again, is totally fine, but they're trying to glorify it because it sounds better than saying "I just want a day off to dick around" to their boss.

DarkChozoGhost posted...
These

I'm not giving definitions to anything. I'm just commenting on an already existing term.

DarkChozoGhost posted...
No, it doesn't. When people use the phrase, they just mean "a day to chill and relieve stress. They do not pretend it's some unbearable pain they have to relieve. Your issue with the term is 100% a connotation that you've personally attributed to it, when everyone else understands just what it means.

I've never claimed not to know what it means. I'm just saying it has connotations that pertain to common mental health issues like depression, anxiety, etc., which are ever-present these days. It's not asinine to argue that.

shockthemonkey posted...
"I don't understand what 'mental health' means"

I never said this. Try again.

That_Happened posted...
...if you're stupid, trolling, or purposely missing the point. Or all three.

Way to just completely ignore the last time I addressed you.
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Muffinz0rz
07/12/17 5:25:28 PM
#103:


Asherlee10 posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
Yes. That's called a day off. There's no reason to drag "mental health" into it.


People VERY often take time off when they are not sick or on vacation in order to not burn out. That is WHY it's called a Mental Health Day. It means you are taking a break to promote good mental health.

Not a hard concept to grasp.

Mental health day conjures the image of mental health issues like anxiety, depression, etc. I've never claimed to be against taking a day off to help one's psyche. But it's not the point I'm trying to make. The point is that calling something a "mental health day" implies an issue with that person's mental health, whereas a "day off to recharge" carries no such connotation.

TheBiggerWiggle posted...
The phrase has been explained to him multiple times in multiple ways at this point.

I've countered every explanation with a retort of my own, and they've gone unanswered and ignored because people don't bother with practical discussions. CE deals only with insults.

TheBiggerWiggle posted...
I do wish TC would give us some perspective on what he actually does though. Why is he so willfully ignorant?

Read the topic. I work a 9-5 job in a corporate office. It's pretty monotonous, but I have shit to do and I get it done. Do I get stressed sometimes? Sure. Do I take a day off occasionally to recharge? Absolutely. But I don't try to guise my desired day off by subtly implying that I actually need one, rather than because I want one. That's the difference.
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ShinyMasamuneZ
07/12/17 5:37:45 PM
#104:


I don't see why 'mental health' needs to specifically refer to having some sort of disease like depression. Stress can lead to plenty of mental and physical health problems down the line and thus blowing off some steam is a perfectly valid way to preserve one's mental well-being. You don't have to be sick to live healthy.
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DarkChozoGhost
07/12/17 5:39:19 PM
#105:


Muffinz0rz posted...
My issue lies with the verbiage.

Unjustified.

Muffinz0rz posted...
They won't own up to the fact that they just want a day off to relax

Yes they do. When they tell their boss they want a day off for mental health, both they, and their boss, know that the purpose is to relieve stress. Neither party thinks it's anything more than that.

Muffinz0rz posted...
I'm just saying it has connotations that pertain to common mental health issues like depression, anxiety, etc.,

Yes, however, in this context mental health does not have those connotations. People asking for mental health days don't have those connotations in mind, bosses allowing mental health days do not have those connotations in mind.

Muffinz0rz posted...
Mental health day conjures the image of mental health issues like anxiety, depression, etc.

It does not do so for those that ask for mental health days, nor for those that grant mental health day.

Muffinz0rz posted...
I don't try to guise my desired day off by subtly implying that I actually need one, rather than because I want one.

Neither do the vast majority of people that request mental health days.

You fail to understand that words have different connotations in different context. In the context of mental health days, those connotations do not apply. Once again, people asking for mental health days, and bosses that approve mental health days, all know that it is referring to a day to relieve stress. Neither party is trying to hide that, neither party is trying to beat around the bush, neither party is pretending it's a medical necessity, neither party is associating a mental health day with mental disorders such as clinical depression or anxiety. Both parties know exactly what the phrase means in that context, without associating the connotations that for some reason you just can't seem to separate from your idea of a mental health.
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Muffinz0rz
07/12/17 5:49:26 PM
#106:


ShinyMasamuneZ posted...
I don't see why 'mental health' needs to specifically refer to having some sort of disease like depression. Stress can lead to plenty of mental and physical health problems down the line and thus blowing off some steam is a perfectly valid way to preserve one's mental well-being. You don't have to be sick to live healthy.

I never said I had a problem with people taking a day to blow off stress. It is perfectly valid. But calling it a "mental health day" implies that one is dealing with mental issues, hence my perfectly legitimate case brought up about "mental health awareness month" that everyone seems to be ignoring because they can't rebuff it.

DarkChozoGhost posted...
Unjustified.

"I'm right and you're wrong because I said so"

Don't just say shit like this and not explain why. It earns you zero points and contributes nothing.

DarkChozoGhost posted...
Yes they do. When they tell their boss they want a day off for mental health, both they, and their boss, know that the purpose is to relieve stress. Neither party thinks it's anything more than that.

It's not. But it's implied. That's the difference. It's need vs. want. In your example, you say "want" a day off. That does not imply an underlying mental issue, and therefore, shouldn't use the term, "mental health day." They should just say they want a day off to relax.

DarkChozoGhost posted...
Yes, however, in this context mental health does not have those connotations. People asking for mental health days don't have those connotations in mind, bosses allowing mental health days do not have those connotations in mind.

Why not? Mental health awareness is an A-topic these days, especially among this particular generation of late teens through late 20s or so.

DarkChozoGhost posted...
It does not do so for those that ask for mental health days, nor for those that grant mental health day.

Yeah, it does. I reiterate my point about "mental health awareness month" and its goal to raise awareness about mental health disorders.

DarkChozoGhost posted...
Neither do the vast majority of people that request mental health days.

You fail to understand that words have different connotations in different context. In the context of mental health days, those connotations do not apply. Once again, people asking for mental health days, and bosses that approve mental health days, all know that it is referring to a day to relieve stress. Neither party is trying to hide that, neither party is trying to beat around the bush, neither party is pretending it's a medical necessity, neither party is associating a mental health day with mental disorders such as clinical depression or anxiety. Both parties know exactly what the phrase means in that context, without associating the connotations that for some reason you just can't seem to separate from your idea of a mental health.

I get that. I'm not denying that the goal is to relieve stress, and the boss hopefully doesn't either. Again, my issue lies with calling it a "mental health day" rather than "a day to relieve stress."
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I4NRulez
07/12/17 5:55:56 PM
#107:


Muffinz0rz posted...
But calling it a "mental health day" implies that one is dealing with mental issues


Who says that they arent? I have an anxiety disorder and sometimes it takes an extra day of downtime for me to relax and get my bearings before going back to work.

I use "mental health days" all the time
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Error1355
07/12/17 5:58:48 PM
#108:


Error1355 posted...
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DarkChozoGhost
07/12/17 6:02:23 PM
#109:


Muffinz0rz posted...
calling it a "mental health day" implies that one is dealing with mental issues

Muffinz0rz posted...
But it's implied. That's the difference. It's need vs. want.

You're still not grasping this. It. Is. Not. Implied.

Muffinz0rz posted...
my perfectly legitimate case brought up about "mental health awareness month"

Muffinz0rz posted...
I reiterate my point about "mental health awareness month" and its goal to raise awareness about mental health disorders.

It has been addressed. Mental health, in that context has a different meaning than it does in the phrase "mental health day." Like I said,

DarkChozoGhost posted...

Yes they do. When they tell their boss they want a day off for mental health, both they, and their boss, know that the purpose is to relieve stress. Neither party thinks it's anything more than that.

And you responded,

Muffinz0rz posted...
Why not? Mental health awareness is an A-topic these days

The reason "why not" is because the majority of the population has defined the phrase. Everyone agrees on what the phrase means, and everyone agrees that those connotation do not apply.
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07/12/17 6:16:17 PM
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Darmik
07/12/17 6:25:37 PM
#112:


Oh god this is one of those "If I rant about this it makes me look smart right guys" kinda topics isn't it.
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thronedfire2
07/12/17 6:40:46 PM
#113:


Muffinz0rz posted...
I have no problem with taking a personal day, but at least I have the stones to admit that I just want to sleep in and fuck around all day. It's silly to claim that one's psyche is so fragile that working a full-time job like an adult is so taxing and frying on the brain that I need to retreat to my safe space. The phrase "mental health day" conjures the image of someone genuinely focused on trying to fix their brain because a true job is too hard - someone sitting around and meditating all day, doing yoga/tai chi, etc. when it's nothing more than an excuse to be lazy, which, again, I have no problem doing it or with people who do it, but I can at least admit that I'm not actually "fixing" myself by taking a day off.


Lmao it's literally just a figure of speech. How is taking a random personal day for no reason not the exact same thing as a 'mental health day'
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drunkmuggle
07/12/17 10:00:46 PM
#114:


I wish gamefaqs had emojis so I could post the tears of joy emoji at every single post of TC's
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chill02
07/12/17 10:14:47 PM
#115:


eston posted...
Error1355 posted...
Error1355 posted...
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Muffinz0rz
07/13/17 11:16:26 AM
#117:


I4NRulez posted...
Who says that they arent? I have an anxiety disorder and sometimes it takes an extra day of downtime for me to relax and get my bearings before going back to work.

I use "mental health days" all the time

That is the appropriate time to use the term. When you genuinely need to work on your anxiety, you call it a mental health day.

DarkChozoGhost posted...
You're still not grasping this. It. Is. Not. Implied.

You're clearly not seeing it then. The implication is there, but you can't see it for some reason. This point will be just talked around in circles. "Yes it is" -- "No it isn't" -- "Yes it is" etc. etc.

DarkChozoGhost posted...
The reason "why not" is because the majority of the population has defined the phrase. Everyone agrees on what the phrase means, and everyone agrees that those connotation do not apply.

So, what, six people on a GameFAQs message board think something and suddenly "everyone" thinks the same thing? I think you need to expand your sample size, rather than just using six people to speak on behalf of "everyone."

shockthemonkey posted...
Just because you've responded to everyone doesn't mean your responses haven't been stupid.

If they were stupid, then people would have no problem responding and rebuffing why it's so stupid. But since nobody seems to be able to do that, and instead chooses to stick with "you're stupid because I said so," then there's not really much I can do about that.

thronedfire2 posted...
Lmao it's literally just a figure of speech. How is taking a random personal day for no reason not the exact same thing as a 'mental health day'

Because "mental health" implies someone dealing with a mental health disorder, such as depression, anxiety, or what have you. Think about it this way -- if you don't have a mental health disorder, then why would you take a "mental health day?" I mean, if everything is fine, then you have no reason to bother fixing what isn't broken.

However, if you want to take a day off to decompress, then you call that just a regular day off because there is no connotation that you're trying to fix your brain; you just want a day off. At the end of the day, a "mental health day" or a "day off to dick around" are the exact same thing, but people use "mental health day" to make it seem like they need a day off, rather than they want a day off. That's the difference.

Asherlee10 posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
Mental health day conjures the image of mental health issues like anxiety, depression, etc. I've never claimed to be against taking a day off to help one's psyche. But it's not the point I'm trying to make. The point is that calling something a "mental health day" implies an issue with that person's mental health, whereas a "day off to recharge" carries no such connotation.


Again, that's YOUR problem. You take time off to promote good mental health.

No, I don't. I take time off because it's nice to have a 3-day weekend once in a while. You're approaching every person's reason for a day off like they're exactly the same, when of course they aren't. Some people genuinely have depression (or other disorders) that needs managing. Some people don't. Some people just want a day off to dick around. Thus, people in the second category shouldn't be saying they're taking a mental health day.
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Error1355
07/13/17 11:21:48 AM
#118:


This is the most lazy attempt of trying to keep a pointless argument going I've seen in weeks.
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Error1355
07/13/17 11:21:57 AM
#119:


oh uh I mean

'beep bep'.
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MutantJohn
07/13/17 11:22:18 AM
#120:


Wow, TC still going?
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ThyCorndog
07/13/17 11:23:12 AM
#121:


I want off this ride
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eston
07/13/17 11:25:59 AM
#122:


chill02 posted...
eston posted...
Error1355 posted...
Error1355 posted...
Beep Bep

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Muffinz0rz
07/13/17 11:29:15 AM
#123:


Error1355 posted...
This is the most lazy attempt of trying to keep a pointless argument going I've seen in weeks.

Not my fault that people stop replying when I rebuff their points.

Feel free to throw down your own two cents if you like.
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That_Happened
07/13/17 11:42:07 AM
#124:


eston posted...
chill02 posted...
eston posted...
Error1355 posted...
Error1355 posted...
Beep Bep

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TheBiggerWiggle
07/13/17 11:53:31 AM
#126:


Error1355 posted...
'beep bep'.

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Muffinz0rz
07/13/17 11:53:54 AM
#127:


That_Happened posted...
eston posted...
chill02 posted...
eston posted...
Error1355 posted...
Error1355 posted...
Beep Bep

Translation: "I have nothing of value to say so I will just type gibberish because it's easier than forming coherent thoughts"
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Error1355
07/13/17 12:06:00 PM
#128:


Nah we're putting as much effort into our posts as you are yours.
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Muffinz0rz
07/13/17 12:08:56 PM
#129:


Error1355 posted...
Nah we're putting as much effort into our posts as you are yours.

Translation: "Your points are just too good for us to counter, so we're making white noise to make ourselves feel superior since we can't do it through logic and intelligent debate"
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PesticideDream
07/13/17 12:19:31 PM
#130:


Next this guy is going to bitch that people use the term "sick days" to take a day off when they're *gasp* not actually sick. Might as well rename the things "fuck work" days.
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chill02
07/13/17 12:22:20 PM
#132:


Muffinz0rz posted...
Waaah

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Muffinz0rz
07/13/17 12:23:26 PM
#133:


PesticideDream posted...
Next this guy is going to bitch that people use the term "sick days" to take a day off when they're *gasp* not actually sick. Might as well rename the things "fuck work" days.

Yeah, I would. It's the same concept.

Asherlee10 posted...
Error1355 posted...
Nah we're putting as much effort into our posts as you are yours.


Precisely.

This is some Unfair-style of contrarian bullshit arguing.

"Unfair"

Lmao I can't even

You and your homies have the exact same platform as I do. What possible advantage could I have that makes this unfair?
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Muffinz0rz
07/13/17 12:41:39 PM
#135:


shockthemonkey posted...
lmao

You're really sad, man. Seriously, just leave with your tail tucked between your legs like a good boy.
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Muffinz0rz
07/13/17 12:43:58 PM
#137:


Asherlee10 posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
"Unfair"

Lmao I can't even

You and your homies have the exact same platform as I do. What possible advantage could I have that makes this unfair?


The user, Unfair. Genius.

Ah.

Well, since you were clearly using it as an insult, it really doesn't change the fact that you have nothing to contribute.
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TheBiggerWiggle
07/13/17 12:44:16 PM
#138:


chill02 posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
Waaah

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Muffinz0rz
07/13/17 12:51:45 PM
#140:


Asherlee10 posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
"Unfair"

Lmao I can't even

You and your homies have the exact same platform as I do. What possible advantage could I have that makes this unfair?


The user, Unfair. Genius.

Ah.

Well, since you were clearly using it as an insult, it really doesn't change the fact that you have nothing to contribute.


I don't think you know what an insult is. Not surprising since you can't seem to grasp the simple concepts presented to you in this topic.

Look at the quote you used below:

Asherlee10 posted...
Error1355 posted...
Nah we're putting as much effort into our posts as you are yours.


Precisely.

This is some Unfair-style of contrarian bullshit arguing.


A.) You tacked it onto a point with which you clearly agree, by "precisely." Error is trying to put me down by saying all I'm saying is "beep beep."

B.) You clearly disagree with me, so it's not farfetch'd to assume that, when you bring up a user, as well as "contrarian bullshit," it's obvious you're in disagreement and insulting my argument, rather than being an adult and building your own argument.

Tell me what I'm missing. Tell me what I can't grasp. Be a grown-up and present your case, rather than taking the easy way out by saying "you're wrong" and nothing else.
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The Admiral
07/13/17 12:57:00 PM
#143:


While I agree that it's kind of a sissy-sounding term, taking time away from a project to clear your head undeniably helps with productivity and focus.
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eston
07/13/17 1:00:59 PM
#146:


shockthemonkey posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
lmao

You're really sad, man. Seriously, just leave with your tail tucked between your legs like a good boy.

I think you need a mental health day

Are you saying he's depressed or something? I don't understand what you mean
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Muffinz0rz
07/13/17 1:03:05 PM
#148:


Asherlee10 posted...
You're just reaching. I said "precisely" to the remark that you are not providing any effort in your rebuttal. If you think that's an insult, you're wrong. It's criticism.

It's pretty impressive that I'm not putting any effort into my rebuttals, and yet they're still so good that nobody can figure out how to actually rebuff them, so they just stick with "beep beep" or just don't reply. Either way, a low-effort rebuttal > no rebuttal at all, which is what's happening with most of the people here.

Asherlee10 posted...
Again, is a criticism, not an insult. I don't have to insult you to break apart your weak argument. It was easy enough in about 3 sentences.

You haven't broken apart my argument. Try again. Use specifics. Point me to specific post numbers in which you did such a thing.

Asherlee10 posted...
You've been told at least 15 times in this topic in a variety of ways.

Find me one post that I didn't successfully rebuff.
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Muffinz0rz
07/13/17 1:09:21 PM
#150:


Asherlee10 posted...
I think Darmik's post is fitting for your post #148.

Darmik posted...
Oh god this is one of those "If I rant about this it makes me look smart right guys" kinda topics isn't it.

Muffinz0rz posted...
You haven't broken apart my argument. Try again.


You think that Darmik post has done literally anything to my argument? Of course not. Keep trying though, I'm here until 5.
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