Current Events > Why would any white person or male person be liberal? Not a troll topic

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I thought about this before.
Where I didn't understand why a Gay man would be republican (because the party, well maybe not Trump, has been against Gay rights.) Like why would anyone prop up a party that has a goal that is interested in taking away your rights.

In that same sense I don't understand how white people or men can support an ideology that believes that white people and men have to be selected against because equal outcome is more important to liberals than equal opportunity.

I've been thinking about this for a while, where I think Liberals should just not be hired for jobs if they believe in this stuff.

Like if we aren't evaluating by qualifications or merit when to comes to hiring and admittance, then the people who believe in this ideology should be the ones taking the hit.


It's just so off putting being in tech where all the students are men, and White/Asian

and liberals act like it's somehow wrong that they are hiring men in proportion to the actual graduate demographics.

But it's not just that, it's just getting cringey.

Like that liberal Buzzfeed Canada editor who said she threw men's applications in the trash.


It's like why be liberal then. Self-hatred?

I know a lot of male feminists hate men (from the own admittance)

is that what it is or is just that you feel pressured to side with liberals because you find conservative ideology way more disagreeable?

I'm a liberal, and I think the same about conservatism.

Want to actually have a discussion about it and not troll each other or act like dicks?

You've made either a wide-sweeping and half-assed generalization or a strawman. Pick your poison.
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Topic title and post contradiction...
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Before it all went to shit, I thought it was about getting everyone to have equal rights and stuff along those lines, and making things better for the little people.
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There is labor leftism and sjwism.

Nobody rational is a sjw. Labor leftism is the Bernie Sanders style economic fantasy.

Sjwism is for white males who need to bully other people.

Glass_Phantom posted...

I'm a liberal, and I think the same about conservatism.

Want to actually have a discussion about it and not troll each other or act like dicks?

I think I'm a "conservative" in the sense that I find leftism far more disagreeable at this point than conservatism.
I'm not actually a registered Republican, I don't believe in God, not against Gay Marriage etc and I probably don't know enough about Economics to definitely say what system works the best


I feel like I'm only a conservative now because I hate modern leftism.

Like I didn't consider myself a conservative 5 years ago

What I find funny is how liberals aren't crying about having more diversity in professional baskeball.

Milkman5 posted...

I think I'm a "conservative" in the sense that I find leftism far more disagreeable at this point than conservatism.
I'm not actually a registered Republican, I don't believe in God, not against Gay Marriage etc and I probably don't know enough about Economics to definitely say what system works the best


I feel like I'm only a conservative now because I hate modern leftism.

Like I didn't consider myself a conservative 5 years ago

If you'd like, I'd love to actually have a conversation about it. Though I'd rather do it on Skype or in PMs than here... This topic is an easy mark for trolls.

Milkman5 posted...

Glass_Phantom posted...

I'm a liberal, and I think the same about conservatism.

Want to actually have a discussion about it and not troll each other or act like dicks?

I think I'm a "conservative" in the sense that I find leftism far more disagreeable at this point than conservatism.
I'm not actually a registered Republican, I don't believe in God, not against Gay Marriage etc and I probably don't know enough about Economics to definitely say what system works the best


I feel like I'm only a conservative now because I hate modern leftism.

Like I didn't consider myself a conservative 5 years ago

Sums me up pretty well too
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wesastro911 posted...

What I find funny is how liberals aren't crying about having more diversity in professional baskeball.

I think it's because they don't see jobs like they see sports. They don't see it as businesses hiring the best people/the best value. They think everyone does the same job or they just never think about it to that point.

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I'm actually a liberal. Just not a SJW.

Liberals have the best values.
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Milkman5 posted...

I feel like I'm only a conservative now because I hate modern leftism.

Like I didn't consider myself a conservative 5 years ago

This is exactly where I am. I think it's tragic that true liberals like Bill Maher are "too offensive" for modern day leftists.
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Milkman5 posted...

Glass_Phantom posted...

I'm a liberal, and I think the same about conservatism.

Want to actually have a discussion about it and not troll each other or act like dicks?

I think I'm a "conservative" in the sense that I find leftism far more disagreeable at this point than conservatism.
I'm not actually a registered Republican, I don't believe in God, not against Gay Marriage etc and I probably don't know enough about Economics to definitely say what system works the best


I feel like I'm only a conservative now because I hate modern leftism.

Like I didn't consider myself a conservative 5 years ago

I'm similar to you. I can't stand leftism or SJWism but the conservative blogosphere isn't much better. Way too much focus on "Islam" as the ultimate evil, too much racism, especially in the comment sections (I'm looking at you Breitbart), and other values I don't identify with, like Christianity, pro-life, or anti-gay marriage. It doesn't help that most prominent right wing bloggers like Coulter, Paul Watson, and Malkin are racist, xenophobic hypocrite bigots.
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Milkman5 posted...

Where I didn't understand why a Gay man would be republican (because the party, well maybe not Trump, has been against Gay rights.) Like why would anyone prop up a party that has a goal that is interested in taking away your rights.

not that simple. political parties have more than one stance. they may agree with them on many other issues and feel like its the better choice.

though, honestly, I feel like people say this alot but rarely behave in such a manner. almost everyone votes based on 1 or 2 major issues and forgets about everything else that is less sensational but far more important.
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Gafemage posted...

Lmao who the fuck makes this shit

Because liberals aren't all white male haters just like conservatives aren't all Christian fundamentalists?

I think I fall into the "social liberal" category. I believe in personal freedom (as in, you can do what you
want as long as it's not causing clear harm to others), free trade (with a bit of regulation, e.g. for safety standards), equality (as in, no discrimination on the basis of race, religion, sexuality, etc., even for the "white male"), some provision of government services (e.g. universal health care and education), among other things.

Giving other people rights doesn't mean any of my rights are being taken away.

I don't understand why poor people vote conservative. Now that's voting against your own self interest.
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My Dad always counseled me against getting into debates and arguments with multiple people at the same time... He always called it a "double triangular situation." (I'm still not sure what that even means, it was a total Dad-ism -- but it was his way of expressing a situation where multiple points, aka multiple people, are arrayed against you.)

I think you guys have a different way of looking at the world than I do.

The popular thing to say now is "I'm not a social justice warrior," as if there's something wrong with fighting for social justice. I will never say that. I AM a proponent for social justice -- I think social justice is important, it's worth fighting for, and I try to do it every day of my life. I try to fight for a world where everyone -- white and black, gay and straight and trans, Christian and Muslim and atheist -- is treated equally, without stigma.

But I recognize this. We live in a capitalist society, which means not everyone shares the same motivation as I do... even the ones who claim they do. There's lots of people out there who only put on a pretense of fighting for social justice for the sake generating of clicks, and likes, and retweets. And in order to make waves, they try to be as outrageous as possible, because outrage gets people talking. Outrage makes money.

This was the case during GamerGate, and it's the case now. And this is where I totally disagree with you guys. *You* look at some crazy article on Jezebel that pushes the envelope *way* too far, and you say, "Oh God, this is what liberals believe? Guess I'm not a liberal." *I* look at it, and I shrug, and say, "There are crazy people out there. But I will not judge millions of my fellow Americans by the actions of a few loud, obnoxious crazy people who are out there to milk the system and make money."

But I look across the aisle at conservatism, and what I see there troubles me a lot more.

Strawman: The Topic.
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COVxy posted...

Strawman: The Topic.

You know there is a smidge of truth to what he says and that in the American left wing there is a vocal group who really do want to see white people fall.