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http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/06/york_county_suicide_megan_vogt.html

"She didn't know what was real"

While it's sad she did that, it'd be fucking awesome if i lost all touch of reality. I wanna go on a meditation retreat!
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See saw the meaning of life and saw nothing.
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KiwiTerraRizing posted...

See saw the meaning of life and saw nothing.

Nihilism is a trap. Meaning is what you make it.
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Tanoomba posted...

KiwiTerraRizing posted...

See saw the meaning of life and saw nothing.

Nihilism is a trap. Meaning is what you make it.

"Meaning is what you make it" is exactly what nihilism means. There's no innate meaning that's just handed to you, you need to decide that for yourself. It doesn't mean that life is intrinsically meaningless, that's a blatant straw man.
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CircleOfManias posted...

Tanoomba posted...

KiwiTerraRizing posted...

See saw the meaning of life and saw nothing.

Nihilism is a trap. Meaning is what you make it.

"Meaning is what you make it" is exactly what nihilism means. There's no innate meaning that's just handed to you, you need to decide that for yourself. It doesn't mean that life is intrinsically meaningless, that's a blatant straw man.

What I mean is, getting caught in a depressive cycle because life doesn't have the intrinsic meaning we once thought can be a very depressive trap. That's what I feel like this poor girl went through.

Asherlee10 posted...

Tanoomba posted...

it'd be fucking awesome if i lost all touch of reality.

Not really...

"Reality" as we know it sucks. That's why people like taking psychedelics and shit.
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Sheesh, so after reading the article, it seems like the meditation retreat was basically voluntary solitary confinement. That could definitely mess with your psyche.
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KiwiTerraRizing posted...

See saw the meaning of life and saw nothing.

i have known this for at least 2 years and it didn't drive me (completely) crazy. for me, it just mean freedom of deciding what my life will be. it offered the knowledge that let me to shape the world as i see fit.

it did kinda made me a bit of egomaniac bastard though.
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Twinmold posted...

Sheesh, so after reading the article, it seems like the meditation retreat was basically voluntary solitary confinement. That could definitely mess with your psyche.

The purpose is to slow your mind down, and disengage from the stresses of the "real" world. The problem is that it can give people existential crises. Being cur off from the game of life can alter people's identity and outlook on reality.

apolloooo posted...

KiwiTerraRizing posted...

See saw the meaning of life and saw nothing.

i have known this for at least 2 years and it didn't drive me (completely) crazy. for me, it just mean freedom of deciding what my life will be. it offered the knowledge that let me to shape the world as i see fit.

it did kinda made me a bit of egomaniac bastard though.

Your egomania is probably a backlash to the realization that it's meaningless. Might just be a phase.
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Tanoomba posted...

Your egomania is probably a backlash to the realization that it's meaningless. Might just be a phase.

maybe, but at least i know i am too prideful to kill myself
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apolloooo posted...

Tanoomba posted...

Your egomania is probably a backlash to the realization that it's meaningless. Might just be a phase.

maybe, but at least i know i am too prideful to kill myself

For me personally, I'm not afraid of death and don't really care one way or another. It makes you realize that killing yourself doesn't really help anything. But at the same time, life doesn't matter, so I'm okay with dying.
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Tanoomba posted...

apolloooo posted...

Tanoomba posted...

Your egomania is probably a backlash to the realization that it's meaningless. Might just be a phase.

maybe, but at least i know i am too prideful to kill myself

For me personally, I'm not afraid of death and don't really care one way or another. It makes you realize that killing yourself doesn't really help anything. But at the same time, life doesn't matter, so I'm okay with dying.

Mayne it affect people differently. The realization that my actions will have no long lasting consequences made me broke some restraints i have and made me alot more selfish.

Humans are insiginifant thing in the eyes of the universe. We maybe made bigger bubble than other thinv we know, but it still will burst and no trace of it left. If you place an indestructible camera in one point and leave ot for 1 milliom years (the rough estimate of the time the hominid appeared to now) you will see mountains crumble, sea rises, freeze, dried out, land split into pieces, cities rise, fall amd crumble back to dust.

Even if I were to launch a nuclear bomb in the middle of manhattan killing millions, the trace of it would not be seen the next thousand years save for a small crater in ground zero and probAbly remain of background radiation
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It's meaningless that eveything is meaningless. All meaning is a function of the human mind, an important one at that but let's not jump to higher order metaphysical claims from this simple fact.
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apolloooo posted...

Tanoomba posted...

apolloooo posted...

Tanoomba posted...

Your egomania is probably a backlash to the realization that it's meaningless. Might just be a phase.

maybe, but at least i know i am too prideful to kill myself

For me personally, I'm not afraid of death and don't really care one way or another. It makes you realize that killing yourself doesn't really help anything. But at the same time, life doesn't matter, so I'm okay with dying.

Mayne it affect people differently. The realization that my actions will have no long lasting consequences made me broke some restraints i have and made me alot more selfish.

Humans are insiginifant thing in the eyes of the universe. We maybe made bigger bubble than other thinv we know, but it still will burst and no trace of it left. If you place an indestructible camera in one point and leave ot for 1 milliom years (the rough estimate of the time the hominid appeared to now) you will see mountains crumble, sea rises, freeze, dried out, land split into pieces, cities rise, fall amd crumble back to dust.

Even if I were to launch a nuclear bomb in the middle of manhattan killing millions, the trace of it would not be seen the next thousand years save for a small crater in ground zero and probAbly remain of background radiation

I see where you're coming from. I've gained more love and respect, not necessarily for humans, but for nature as a whole. I see things as more interconnected, so I'm able to relate better to people and things. While we are insignificant, we are still part of the insignificance together.
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Damn that was interesting. It almost read like a creepy pasta.

"Hello, My name is Megan Vogt," said one email dated May 4. " I took the vipassana course that was held March 15th to the 26th. I think something very profound happened to me during the course. I ended up in the psyche ward for 8 days directly afterwards. I have memory loss; There is about a week gone during and after the retreat that I can not remember/ is very fuzzy. I am now trying to get back to my normal life but I am having some trouble focusing; my mind keeps going back to the retreat and trying to figure out what happened. I was wondering if I might be able to schedule an appointment with Yanny Hin to shed light on my situation. I would also like to apologize for any disturbance I may have caused during my last few days there."

and then...

"Please forgive me for doing this," she wrote in a final note to her boyfriend Brian Dorsey that was jotted on a piece of mail. "I remember what I did at the retreat. I finally got that memory. I can't live with me."
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spanky1 posted...

Damn that was interesting. It almost read like a creepy pasta.

"Hello, My name is Megan Vogt," said one email dated May 4. " I took the vipassana course that was held March 15th to the 26th. I think something very profound happened to me during the course. I ended up in the psyche ward for 8 days directly afterwards. I have memory loss; There is about a week gone during and after the retreat that I can not remember/ is very fuzzy. I am now trying to get back to my normal life but I am having some trouble focusing; my mind keeps going back to the retreat and trying to figure out what happened. I was wondering if I might be able to schedule an appointment with Yanny Hin to shed light on my situation. I would also like to apologize for any disturbance I may have caused during my last few days there."

and then...

"Please forgive me for doing this," she wrote in a final note to her boyfriend Brian Dorsey that was jotted on a piece of mail. "I remember what I did at the retreat. I finally got that memory. I can't live with me."

Why didn't she say what she remembered? D: Was it some horrible truth that she couldn't live with?
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I can see it. I did 8 hours of meditation once and by the end of it I was in a real, real weird space. I can't even imagine doing that for 10 days straight.
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spanky1 posted...

Damn that was interesting. It almost read like a creepy pasta.

"Hello, My name is Megan Vogt," said one email dated May 4. " I took the vipassana course that was held March 15th to the 26th. I think something very profound happened to me during the course. I ended up in the psyche ward for 8 days directly afterwards. I have memory loss; There is about a week gone during and after the retreat that I can not remember/ is very fuzzy. I am now trying to get back to my normal life but I am having some trouble focusing; my mind keeps going back to the retreat and trying to figure out what happened. I was wondering if I might be able to schedule an appointment with Yanny Hin to shed light on my situation. I would also like to apologize for any disturbance I may have caused during my last few days there."

and then...

"Please forgive me for doing this," she wrote in a final note to her boyfriend Brian Dorsey that was jotted on a piece of mail. "I remember what I did at the retreat. I finally got that memory. I can't live with me."

God Damn, I'm very interested now.
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There were probably mind altering drugs involved.
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I'm pretty sure she just saw that she was a piece of shit human being like the rest of us, that's all. There's nothing sinister going on here, she just took a real intense look inward and saw something she didn't like.
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I'm never going on a meditation retreat. :u I'll just watch Twin Peaks instead.
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OpheliaAdenade posted...

spanky1 posted...

Damn that was interesting. It almost read like a creepy pasta.

"Hello, My name is Megan Vogt," said one email dated May 4. " I took the vipassana course that was held March 15th to the 26th. I think something very profound happened to me during the course. I ended up in the psyche ward for 8 days directly afterwards. I have memory loss; There is about a week gone during and after the retreat that I can not remember/ is very fuzzy. I am now trying to get back to my normal life but I am having some trouble focusing; my mind keeps going back to the retreat and trying to figure out what happened. I was wondering if I might be able to schedule an appointment with Yanny Hin to shed light on my situation. I would also like to apologize for any disturbance I may have caused during my last few days there."

and then...

"Please forgive me for doing this," she wrote in a final note to her boyfriend Brian Dorsey that was jotted on a piece of mail. "I remember what I did at the retreat. I finally got that memory. I can't live with me."

Why didn't she say what she remembered? D: Was it some horrible truth that she couldn't live with?

She probably saw what lies behind the veil of reality that keeps us all sane.
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thelovefist posted...

There were probably mind altering drugs involved.

They're not allowed at most meditation retreats.

However, people who go to these retreats and meditate for several days have claimed to experience mind-alteration similar to drugs. There's not many studies on these cases, but it's interesting to read about.
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nexigrams posted...

I'm pretty sure she just saw that she was a piece of shit human being like the rest of us, that's all. There's nothing sinister going on here, she just took a real intense look inward and saw something she didn't like.

I had this phase too just recently in a moment where i had to do a lomg painful self reflection. I realized this wreck i have become and wonder if i could be happier and a better person if i was ignorant of everything. In the end i am content with who i am.

It is just worldy pleasures are good enough to keep me going.

Again, this work differently in every individual. Some people cannot handle all the darkness, i just absorb it all and live in this twisted and sick symbiosis.

I dunno if thats good or bad. I pretty much become almost apathetic to everything. Almost everything, except for myself and little other thing.

It is kinda fun to pretend that i care though in society. When you wear a mask, you start to develop a sense for fellow people who wear the same masks too, and in time you probably can see which ones are broken and which one are not.

In my experience, the ones who arent broken are divided into 2: those who are ignorant enough to live in blissful unknown, or those who has will strong enough to not bend in the face of the truth. One other type that is a mix between the first and second is those who probably know, but shield themselves with external forces like faith, religion, desire, beliefs and anything else thdy can use.

The broken ones are usually those who decide and deduce that bringing their own demise is the way out, or live and live long enough to become numb to everything.

Still, i think life is peculiar in a,way that some people actually thrive inside the black water and use that numbness to pave their way to the top, many times at the cost of other people's freedom and innocences.
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apolloooo posted...

nexigrams posted...

I'm pretty sure she just saw that she was a piece of shit human being like the rest of us, that's all. There's nothing sinister going on here, she just took a real intense look inward and saw something she didn't like.

Still, i think life is peculiar in a,way that some people actually thrive inside the black water and use that numbness to pave their way to the top, many times at the cost of other people's freedom and innocences.

Yep, and that is the kind of people who become our CEOs, lawyers, politicians, presidents, kings, the rulers of countries, the world, throughout human history. The masses are oblivious to this and will defend there politicians with zeal. It just takes some knowledge of history to understand this.
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industrializeit posted...

apolloooo posted...

nexigrams posted...

I'm pretty sure she just saw that she was a piece of shit human being like the rest of us, that's all. There's nothing sinister going on here, she just took a real intense look inward and saw something she didn't like.

Still, i think life is peculiar in a,way that some people actually thrive inside the black water and use that numbness to pave their way to the top, many times at the cost of other people's freedom and innocences.

Yep, and that is the kind of people who become our CEOs, lawyers, politicians, presidents, kings, the rulers of countries, the world, throughout human history. The masses are oblivious to this and will defend there politicians with zeal. It just takes some knowledge of history to understand this.

I dunno, I don't think the masses are oblivious to this. I think most people know that it takes a certain kind of psychopath to actually want to be a politician, ruler, CEO, etc. I think most people would never want to do those jobs, and are glad there are people crazy enough to do it.
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spanky1 posted...

industrializeit posted...

apolloooo posted...

nexigrams posted...

I'm pretty sure she just saw that she was a piece of shit human being like the rest of us, that's all. There's nothing sinister going on here, she just took a real intense look inward and saw something she didn't like.

Still, i think life is peculiar in a,way that some people actually thrive inside the black water and use that numbness to pave their way to the top, many times at the cost of other people's freedom and innocences.

Yep, and that is the kind of people who become our CEOs, lawyers, politicians, presidents, kings, the rulers of countries, the world, throughout human history. The masses are oblivious to this and will defend there politicians with zeal. It just takes some knowledge of history to understand this.

I dunno, I don't think the masses are oblivious to this. I think most people know that it takes a certain kind of psychopath to actually want to be a politician, ruler, CEO, etc. I think most people would never want to do those jobs, and are glad there are people crazy enough to do it.

If that is the case it's all the more bewildering when I see thousands, millions of people the world over go to political relies and support there candidate. Call others choice a horrible person ect, and think there's isn't?
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industrializeit posted...

If that is the case it's all the more bewildering when I see thousands, millions of people the world over go to political relies and support there candidate. Call others choice a horrible person ect, and think there's isn't?

Eh most people need something to believe on. They also need validation that their choices are right and how they do it is by making the other side look bad, etc.

It is just human nature to follow. Hell, it is a trait very common in social animals. Few lead, the rest follow. It is how we evolved.
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