Board 8 > BowserCuffs remembers Star Fox [BlogFAQs]

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I'm bored and feel like raving a bit. You've been warned.

My first introduction to the Star Fox series was when I was being babysat by a girl who promptly left and foisted me on her younger brother (who was still older than me) and I watched him play Star Fox, specifically the battle against Phantron on Venom. I remember that pretty vividly. I enjoyed it so much, mostly because the graphics were in THREE DEE and it was so freaking awesome, so he let me borrow the game. After which, my parents bought the game for me proper and I enjoyed it for as long as my SNES worked (which wasn't that long, surprisingly, even though I was pretty careful with it) This is the game where, if you ask me about 90s, this is what I think of. The spacey digital noises, the 70s-80s style scifi designs, the utter fancy of the setting is what I really think of with the space age 90s.

Then I saw an advertisement for Star Fox 2 and got excited! Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay.
And we all know how that ended, only to be brought back recently.

Flashforward to the late 90s, I'm a kid, the N64 is the hottest new thing, and my parents buy me a Nintendo 64 that came with Star Fox 64, because I recognized it as being the sequel to my beloved SNES game. I was happy. I played through until I got all of the medals in both modes, which took me quite awhile because the game was pretty hard for a kid.

I was pretty ecstatic when I unlocked on-foot mode and got to see Fox, Falco, Slippy, and Peppy outside of their vehicles blasting people. Take note, this will be important later.

Anyways, this was also the age where we were starting to be connected to the internet more often. The computer age had gone from brief sojourns into AOL BBSes to the internet as a whole. As I grew older, I was given more freedoms, and I did my best to not abuse those freedoms. Cue me discovering a website called sfx64.com (which is still up, but hasn't been updated since 2002) and the forum that went with it - Outside the Greatfox (which has been down for over a decade and even the Wayback Machine can't find much of it)

And that... is where I more or less discovered the furry fandom, though this was before I knew what it was called so I just assumed that it was a Star Fox specific thing for the time being. Oh how naive and innocent I was. Minus the innocent part because I was actually kind of a brat who didn't really understand he was being a brat. This was also where I met a good friend who, sadly, recently passed away (as some of you may remember me posting about.)

Moving on... then the gamecube came out and with it, a new game.

Star Fox Adventures.

Everybody hates this game, right? Not me. Remember how I said I was happy to see the team outside of their vehicles in the multiplayer mode for the 64 game? This game was exactly what I wanted to see - an entire game where Fox spends most of his time outside of the arwing going on an adventure.

And then it had magic on top of that, along with the familiar and pleasant Zelda format, and this game was amazing for me. I played it several times!

It was also about this time that I realized I was attracted to Fox, which was a bit of a dilemma because, well, did I mention I was a Good Christian Boy who couldn't possibly be gay because God planned for him to be a good father and husband?

(This, however, would become overshadowed by my attraction to Bowser, I should mention.)

Of course, at this point, people were already crying about Star Fox being ruined and I promptly began rolling my eyes and haven't stopped since.

(part 2 coming)
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Star Fox Assault came out, good times. Really liked how it felt like the worldbuilding expanded even though the game was linear, and it was nice to see Krystal go from damsel in distress to team member. It felt like what the game lacked in freedom, it had in character interaction. Sure, it wasn't so memetic, but it was fun to play, and I enjoyed watching the between-mission cutscenes.

People continued to cry that Star Fox was ruined forever, and how they wanted another game like 64. My eyes continued to roll.

Then Command came out, I was happy because by this point I'd seen what Star Fox 2 was like and how this was similar, and I played it.

And I got all the endings.

And I sighed because I hated every single one of them. The game itself was enjoyable but the actual missions were obnoxious. And what's worse is, completing every scenario replaced the menu theme that I enjoyed with a nostalgic theme that I didn't enjoy nearly as much.

Basically, Command was an inferior version of 2 with a terrible plotline, and I didn't enjoy it.

People were whining because even though they asked for more arwing missions, they meant on-rails ones and they begged Nintendo to give them a game more like the 64 game. Again, I rolled my eyes, even though I didn't like the game myself.

Still, I had hopes for the future. And to this day, I will say that Command is the only Star Fox game I didn't like.

64 3D. The 64 game but better. The people were finally given what they wanted.

...And the people whined about Nintendo giving them 64 again because they wanted a totally new game. I stopped eye rolling so I could face desk at people whining over being given what they were begging for this entire time. And then I began rolling my eyes again.

...Granted, I haven't had a chance to play Zero yet, due to not owning a Wii U, but I love what I see and judging by what I've seen, you're either DSP-levels of bad at the game or the controls give you so much more control over the game that it's amazing.

Still, I can't deny that Zero was globally a commercial failure, even if I believe it to be a good game in its own right. And yes, I've heard the arguments in favor of it being a bad game and I'll just point out that my eyes are still rolling to this day. In particular the argument about it being "yet another" rehash of the 64 game. Another face-desk followed by more eye rolling. The eye rolling just won't stop. It hurts.

Anyways, yay. Star Fox 2 is coming out.

And I saw one glimmer of a complaint about people complaining about it being too much like the 64 game and I flipped my desk so hard that I think I disturbed people in the next state over.

I love the Star Fox series so much.

I hate the Star Fox "fan"base. It is not like the Star Fox game. It is full of angry, petty people who honestly don't seem to know what they want, only that whatever they're getting isn't it.
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Zero is weird but its a really good game with absolutely atrocious controls (for no reason at all).
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red13n posted...

Zero is weird but its a really good game with absolutely atrocious controls (for no reason at all).

Talking to people who have played the game, the controls are actually really good once you get used to them, you just need patience.
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BowserCuffs posted...

red13n posted...

Zero is weird but its a really good game with absolutely atrocious controls (for no reason at all).

Talking to people who have played the game, the controls are actually really good once you get used to them, you just need patience.

The problem is I was able to get to the end of the game and the controls still don't feel natural(And all it would take to fix them is a couple remaps).
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red13n posted...

BowserCuffs posted...

red13n posted...

Zero is weird but its a really good game with absolutely atrocious controls (for no reason at all).

Talking to people who have played the game, the controls are actually really good once you get used to them, you just need patience.

The problem is I was able to get to the end of the game and the controls still don't feel natural(And all it would take to fix them is a couple remaps).

It only takes time and practice to make controls feel natural, and judging by some of the high level playing I've seen, it really pays off.
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Sorry. I shouldn't be continuing this bickering. Especially since the Star Fox Zero boards died because the pessimists of the board literally drove anyone who remotely like the games off of the board because they couldn't stand that someone actually liked a game they thought was "objectively bad" (it wasn't) and wouldn't let them hold any remotely decent conversation without having to shove their views down everyone else's throats.

And, naturally, they concluded that the reason the board died suddenly was because the game was bad, not because they were.

And it sounds like you're not one of those pessimists, you just didn't like the controls, which is fair.

So onto a more positive topic: It sounds like Nintendo is actually considering making anime for several of their franchises, most notable including Yoshi and Star Fox.
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Speaking of have you watched A Fox in Space? Some dude decided to make a Star Fox animation in like a retro 80s style and it's sick. Only 1 episode out but he's in the process of making a second.
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Bane_Of_Despair posted...

Speaking of have you watched A Fox in Space? Some dude decided to make a Star Fox animation in like a retro 80s style and it's sick. Only 1 episode out but he's in the process of making a second.

Oh yes, I have!

I especially loved the snark aimed at people who actually believed in that robot legs Game Theory.

It's the show that my inner child didn't know it wanted until it saw it.
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BowserCuffs posted...

And it sounds like you're not one of those pessimists, you just didn't like the controls, which is fair.

I'm super conflicted because the game is absolutely fantastic aside from the controls(Obviously, Star Fox is kind of right up my alley). Its kind of the perfect rep of Nintendo just not being able to get things quite right with the Wii U.
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red13n posted...

BowserCuffs posted...

And it sounds like you're not one of those pessimists, you just didn't like the controls, which is fair.

I'm super conflicted because the game is absolutely fantastic aside from the controls(Obviously, Star Fox is kind of right up my alley). Its kind of the perfect rep of Nintendo just not being able to get things quite right with the Wii U.

I'm honestly really sad that the game bombed considering that it did a lot right. And it was more different from 64 than 64 was from the SNES game, though few people seem to understand that.
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Actually, I take it back, the weirdest thing about the game was that it forced you to either play with headphones or listen to audio through the low quality Wii U gamepad speakers.

Lack of any sort of toggle for that and the controls was just baffling.
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"Star Fox Adventures.

Everybody hates this game, right? Not me."

Stopped reading right there.

PrestonStarry2 posted...

Stopped reading right there.

For which reason? The hyperbole that everyone else hated the game, or that I liked it?
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