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Terra-enforcer
06/30/17 3:07:10 AM
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https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/06/29/truth-michelle-zendaya-mary-jane-watson-spider-man-homecoming-spoilers/

Looks like the rumors people thought were debunked turned out to be true. Zendaya is indeed MJ.

Incoming CE shitstorm because of the female black love interest?
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DrizztLink
06/30/17 3:08:32 AM
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Terra-enforcer posted...
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/06/29/truth-michelle-zendaya-mary-jane-watson-spider-man-homecoming-spoilers/

Looks like the rumors people thought were debunked turned out to be true. Zendaya is indeed MJ.

Incoming CE shitstorm because of the female black love interest?

@Skye_Reynolds
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DarthAragorn
06/30/17 3:10:04 AM
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Well that's dumb.
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neverwin
06/30/17 3:10:34 AM
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Have a hunch since MJ is such a joke character, not many will be that upset.
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Zack_Attackv1
06/30/17 3:13:06 AM
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Ey, ey, ey! Nononono!
I don't wanna know.
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Terra-enforcer
06/30/17 3:14:49 AM
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neverwin posted...
Have a hunch since MJ is such a joke character, not many will be that upset.

Are you kidding? Were you not here to see all the people pissed when the rumor came up? Then once it was fake half the board cheered in glee. now this...lol
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Darmik
06/30/17 3:16:28 AM
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Apparently she isn't called Mary Jane at all which is weird. Other than that I don't care. Apparently the character is charming. She can always get red hair in the sequels. It's not like she ever looked like a natural red head.
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neverwin
06/30/17 3:19:40 AM
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Terra-enforcer posted...
neverwin posted...
Have a hunch since MJ is such a joke character, not many will be that upset.

Are you kidding? Were you not here to see all the people pissed when the rumor came up? Then once it was fake half the board cheered in glee. now this...lol


But why? MJ is such an uninteresting and otherwise should be forgettable character they could make her one of those Minion things with boobs and she would still be uninteresting to the general public.
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Sage JJ
06/30/17 3:22:53 AM
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Honestly who cares if he has a black love interest? Personally I just dont understand the need for Hollywood and Marvel to keep changing well established characters.
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Terra-enforcer
06/30/17 3:23:59 AM
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neverwin posted...
Terra-enforcer posted...
neverwin posted...
Have a hunch since MJ is such a joke character, not many will be that upset.

Are you kidding? Were you not here to see all the people pissed when the rumor came up? Then once it was fake half the board cheered in glee. now this...lol


But why? MJ is such an uninteresting and otherwise should be forgettable character they could make her one of those Minion things with boobs and she would still be uninteresting to the general public.

Because CE that's why
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HogRiderreturns
06/30/17 3:24:16 AM
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neverwin posted...
Terra-enforcer posted...
neverwin posted...
Have a hunch since MJ is such a joke character, not many will be that upset.

Are you kidding? Were you not here to see all the people pissed when the rumor came up? Then once it was fake half the board cheered in glee. now this...lol


But why? MJ is such an uninteresting and otherwise should be forgettable character they could make her one of those Minion things with boobs and she would still be uninteresting to the general public.

What? MJ is a very iconic redhead character.
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AngelicTouch99
06/30/17 3:25:02 AM
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There is no shitstorm, tc. I know you reallg wanted one, but alas there is not. Zendaya is hot so idgaf that shes black
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Darmik
06/30/17 3:27:18 AM
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Sage JJ posted...
Honestly who cares if he has a black love interest? Personally I just dont understand the need for Hollywood and Marvel to keep changing well established characters.


This has always happened. Always. Otherwise we'd just be seeing the same thing over and over again for decades.
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Sage JJ
06/30/17 3:27:59 AM
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Darmik posted...
Sage JJ posted...
Honestly who cares if he has a black love interest? Personally I just dont understand the need for Hollywood and Marvel to keep changing well established characters.


This has always happened. Always. Otherwise we'd just be seeing the same thing over and over again for decades.


Whats so hard about just creating new characters?
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WafflehouseJK
06/30/17 3:28:31 AM
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Good, I was hoping she would be.
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Terra-enforcer
06/30/17 3:31:33 AM
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AngelicTouch99 posted...
There is no shitstorm, tc. I know you reallg wanted one, but alas there is not. Zendaya is hot so idgaf that shes black

No I didn't want one. If you were around for even a millisecond when the rumors of this surfaced, you'd expect a shitstorm as well.
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literal_garbage
06/30/17 3:32:20 AM
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WafflehouseJK posted...
Good, I was hoping she would be.

Typical liberal, just looking to check off all of the boxes
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Inferno Dive Dragoon
06/30/17 3:32:51 AM
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I don't get why they would palette swap Mary Jane instead of just making up a new love interest, but whatever, I wasn't going to see the movie anyway.
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Darmik
06/30/17 3:35:04 AM
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Sage JJ posted...
Darmik posted...
Sage JJ posted...
Honestly who cares if he has a black love interest? Personally I just dont understand the need for Hollywood and Marvel to keep changing well established characters.


This has always happened. Always. Otherwise we'd just be seeing the same thing over and over again for decades.


Whats so hard about just creating new characters?


A lot about it is hard.

In this case one of the most established things about Spidey is that the love of his life is MJ. It doesn't matter what Peter or MJ we see. This is the constant in every adaptation of Spider-Man.

If she wasn't MJ people would be waiting for MJ in a sequel. Because that's who Peter ends up with. Doesn't matter if it's 616, Ultimate, the movies, the cartoons or any other zany interpretation of Spider-Man.

Again this isn't anything new. Adaptations pretty much always keep established and familiar things while also changing up some stuff to make it fresh or more suitable for the current market. Hell this is exactly the concept the Ultimate Spider-Man comic line was based on and this movie seems to take a lot from that.
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iPhone_7
06/30/17 3:38:23 AM
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MJ being white is central to her character. Liberals ruin everything!
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WafflehouseJK
06/30/17 3:39:34 AM
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literal_garbage posted...
WafflehouseJK posted...
Good, I was hoping she would be.

Typical liberal, just looking to check off all of the boxes

Except I'm not a liberal, bub, nice try though.

It's called "Who gives a fuck what race a fictional character is?"
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literal_garbage
06/30/17 3:41:38 AM
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WafflehouseJK posted...
literal_garbage posted...
WafflehouseJK posted...
Good, I was hoping she would be.

Typical liberal, just looking to check off all of the boxes

Except I'm not a liberal, bub, nice try though.

It's called "Who gives a fuck what race a fictional character is?"

People that care about the source material and artistic integrity

But I guess you wouldn't know anything about that.
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ManSpread
06/30/17 3:45:43 AM
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literal_garbage posted...
WafflehouseJK posted...
literal_garbage posted...
WafflehouseJK posted...
Good, I was hoping she would be.

Typical liberal, just looking to check off all of the boxes

Except I'm not a liberal, bub, nice try though.

It's called "Who gives a fuck what race a fictional character is?"

People that care about the source material and artistic integrity

But I guess you wouldn't know anything about that.

If we cared about source material then the Civil War movie would have been a crapshoot
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Esrac
06/30/17 3:47:45 AM
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I'm disappointed at the lack of ginger representation.
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WafflehouseJK
06/30/17 3:48:01 AM
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literal_garbage posted...
WafflehouseJK posted...
literal_garbage posted...
WafflehouseJK posted...
Good, I was hoping she would be.

Typical liberal, just looking to check off all of the boxes

Except I'm not a liberal, bub, nice try though.

It's called "Who gives a fuck what race a fictional character is?"

People that care about the source material and artistic integrity

But I guess you wouldn't know anything about that.

And how does her being black have anything to do with her character? It changes literally nothing important about the story or characters.

But you're a troll alt, so meh.
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literal_garbage
06/30/17 3:49:39 AM
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WafflehouseJK posted...
literal_garbage posted...
WafflehouseJK posted...
literal_garbage posted...
WafflehouseJK posted...
Good, I was hoping she would be.

Typical liberal, just looking to check off all of the boxes

Except I'm not a liberal, bub, nice try though.

It's called "Who gives a fuck what race a fictional character is?"

People that care about the source material and artistic integrity

But I guess you wouldn't know anything about that.

And how does her being black have anything to do with her character? It changes literally nothing important about the story or characters.

But you're a troll alt, so meh.

"Everyone who disagrees with me is a troll!"

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sylverlolol
06/30/17 3:49:56 AM
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Wait so it is Zendaya? hnnnngggg
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ClockworkHare
06/30/17 3:51:01 AM
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I don't see what the buzz is about? She's hot and not even that dark...

Racists too easy to trigger.
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Sage JJ
06/30/17 3:58:28 AM
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Darmik posted...
Sage JJ posted...
Darmik posted...
Sage JJ posted...
Honestly who cares if he has a black love interest? Personally I just dont understand the need for Hollywood and Marvel to keep changing well established characters.


This has always happened. Always. Otherwise we'd just be seeing the same thing over and over again for decades.


Whats so hard about just creating new characters?


A lot about it is hard.

In this case one of the most established things about Spidey is that the love of his life is MJ. It doesn't matter what Peter or MJ we see. This is the constant in every adaptation of Spider-Man.

If she wasn't MJ people would be waiting for MJ in a sequel. Because that's who Peter ends up with. Doesn't matter if it's 616, Ultimate, the movies, the cartoons or any other zany interpretation of Spider-Man.

Again this isn't anything new. Adaptations pretty much always keep established and familiar things while also changing up some stuff to make it fresh or more suitable for the current market. Hell this is exactly the concept the Ultimate Spider-Man comic line was based on and this movie seems to take a lot from that.



People also expect MJ to be red headed and white evident of the backlash.
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Polycosm
06/30/17 4:01:16 AM
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This is precisely the right way to introduce diversity into an existing franchise, imo. This will be the second time that the films have rebooted in the last decade, so why not keep it fresh? We don't need the same love interest every time. We had a vanilla MJ in the 2002 - 2007 series. It was smart to substitute "Gwen" for MJ in the 2012 reboot. It's smart to sub in "Michelle" in Homecoming.

It would be one thing if they just changed her race or hair color for no reason and kept everything else about her exactly the same. But that's not what they're doing. Maybe they'll throw in a stupid "MJ" wink to the audience at the end, but Michelle sounds like a fundamentally new character.

Nothing to be mad about, imo.
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kkTheKiller42
06/30/17 4:04:27 AM
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MJ based on the trailers seems to not really care about peter at all.
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HogRiderreturns
06/30/17 4:05:50 AM
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WafflehouseJK posted...
And how does her being black have anything to do with her character?

MJ is an iconic redhead, that is how.
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Sage JJ
06/30/17 4:07:44 AM
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I really should have read the article. She is not even playing Mary Jane so any backlash to her character is fucking stupid especially ones crying about Mary Jane
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NonDairyMiltank
06/30/17 4:09:25 AM
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HogRiderreturns posted...
WafflehouseJK posted...
And how does her being black have anything to do with her character?

MJ is an iconic redhead, that is how.

so dye her hair
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HogRiderreturns
06/30/17 4:10:49 AM
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NonDairyMiltank posted...
HogRiderreturns posted...
WafflehouseJK posted...
And how does her being black have anything to do with her character?

MJ is an iconic redhead, that is how.

so dye her hair

It would look terrible, just like with Dunst.
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Terra-enforcer
06/30/17 4:13:34 AM
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@ClockworkHare posted...
I don't see what the buzz is about. She's hot looking and not even that dark...

Wait, da fuck? She's only okay because she's "not even that dark?" That sounds racist as hell.
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Terra-enforcer
06/30/17 4:19:44 AM
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Sage_JJ posted...
I really should have read the article. She is not even playing Mary Jane so any backlash to her character is fucking stupid especially ones crying about Mary Jane

She is though. This isn't the only source. Numerous people who have literally seen the movie have confirmed this is revealed at the end of the movie.

Also literally says it here:
However, towards the very end of the film, the Decathlon team need a new team leader and the teacher picks Michelle. At which point she tells them 'friends call me MJ.'


Which article did you read?

EDIT: Unless you're referring to her not being "Mary Jane." It's all semantics. She's THE "MJ" in this Cinematic Universe, so her role is pretty obvious. They aren't going to have two MJs now.
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thompsontalker7
06/30/17 4:28:22 AM
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DarthAragorn posted...
Well that's dumb.


In particular because I remember all the lying prior.
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spikethedevil
06/30/17 4:33:11 AM
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If it pisses off racists then it can't be bad lol. I'm cool with it as it's a new continuity they can do what they want with.
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WafflehouseJK
06/30/17 4:34:41 AM
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HogRiderreturns posted...
NonDairyMiltank posted...
HogRiderreturns posted...
WafflehouseJK posted...
And how does her being black have anything to do with her character?

MJ is an iconic redhead, that is how.

so dye her hair

It would look terrible, just like with Dunst.

Sounds like you're just being nitpicky and coming up with excuses.

Which is what you're doing.
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AuthenticZac
06/30/17 5:01:35 AM
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Terra-enforcer posted...
EDIT: Unless you're referring to her not being "Mary Jane." It's all semantics. She's THE "MJ" in this Cinematic Universe, so her role is pretty obvious. They aren't going to have two MJs now.


They could always pull a "Martha" moment with her (Zendaya being Michlle J Gonzales) and Mary Jane >_>. Ol' Spidey having to pick which MJ to save in the climax of the next film
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Bass_X0
06/30/17 5:07:11 AM
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Sage JJ posted...
Honestly who cares if he has a black love interest? Personally I just dont understand the need for Hollywood and Marvel to keep changing well established characters.


Its okay for Peter to have a black love interest, its not okay to change the skin color of an established character. And if they had to, Betty Brandt should have been Peter's love interest, not Mary Jane.
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06/30/17 5:33:15 AM
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ClockworkHare
06/30/17 5:36:26 AM
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Terra-enforcer posted...
@ClockworkHare posted...
I don't see what the buzz is about. She's hot looking and not even that dark...

Wait, da fuck? She's only okay because she's "not even that dark?" That sounds racist as hell.

Then you're confused.

I don't personally care about who plays Mary Jane either way. I always found her to be a dull character and believe Peter Parker should finally be written to hook up with someone else, like Gwen or Black Cat. Since I don't give a crap about MJ as a character in the first place, the race of the actress who plays her is also irrelevant to me.

But the reining rumor is that critics bothered by Zendaya Coleman playing Mary Jane are pissy because she's not exactly like the iconic Caucasian redhead in the comics. People hung up on that detail gripe whenever an iconic character gets casted by someone with much darker skin. Zendaya's skin is so light, the critics shouldn't be triggered as much over her being part black. But being triggered is what they do.
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shnangyboos
06/30/17 5:59:01 AM
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WafflehouseJK posted...
literal_garbage posted...
WafflehouseJK posted...
Good, I was hoping she would be.

Typical liberal, just looking to check off all of the boxes

Except I'm not a liberal, bub, nice try though.

It's called "Who gives a fuck what race a fictional character is?"



I imagine someone hoping for something would give a fuck about said thing.
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SoIidLegacy
06/30/17 6:05:22 AM
#46:


Bass_X0 posted...
Sage JJ posted...
Honestly who cares if he has a black love interest? Personally I just dont understand the need for Hollywood and Marvel to keep changing well established characters.


Its okay for Peter to have a black love interest, its not okay to change the skin color of an established character. And if they had to, Betty Brandt should have been Peter's love interest, not Mary Jane.


Not the first time something like this occurs, right? I mean, I don't remember the original Nick Fury being a bald black man, nor that there was any shitstorm about his movie adaptation being black.
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spikethedevil
06/30/17 6:17:10 AM
#47:


SoIidLegacy posted...
Bass_X0 posted...
Sage JJ posted...
Honestly who cares if he has a black love interest? Personally I just dont understand the need for Hollywood and Marvel to keep changing well established characters.


Its okay for Peter to have a black love interest, its not okay to change the skin color of an established character. And if they had to, Betty Brandt should have been Peter's love interest, not Mary Jane.


Not the first time something like this occurs, right? I mean, I don't remember the original Nick Fury being a bald black man, nor that there was any shitstorm about his movie adaptation being black.


That's because he was always black in the Ultimate universe @SoIidLegacy
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Funkydog
06/30/17 6:18:01 AM
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Good.

If only cos it pissess racists off. But also cos it doesn't matter at all.
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Damien747
06/30/17 6:26:18 AM
#49:


Esrac posted...
I'm disappointed at the lack of ginger representation.


First Heimdal and now MJ.

No ginger is sacred (well, except Pepper).

Honestly I'm not at all bothered by this. I seriously doubt the race of one character will affect the quality of the film.
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faizan_faizan
06/30/17 6:28:27 AM
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They can't be serious.
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