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I Like Toast
06/29/17 10:40:33 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BzNM2pyzW8


https://us.battle.net/shop/en/product/starcraft-remastered
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blahblahfatbomb
06/29/17 10:43:50 PM
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For 15 dollars. Damn
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I Like Toast
06/29/17 10:45:16 PM
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Non HD is free though
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SomeLikeItHoth
06/29/17 10:46:53 PM
#4:


Not a bad deal tbh.
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blahblahfatbomb
06/29/17 10:48:14 PM
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I Like Toast posted...
Non HD is free though

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Iron-Tarkus
06/29/17 10:49:01 PM
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blahblahfatbomb posted...
I Like Toast posted...
Non HD is free though

*dies*

It's been free for a month or two now.
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FFVII_REMAKE
06/29/17 10:53:07 PM
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So is Diablo 2 remastered happening too?
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DarthAragorn
06/29/17 10:53:39 PM
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FFVII_REMAKE posted...
So is Diablo 2 remastered happening too?

I hope so because I'd way rather have that than StarCraft
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blahblahfatbomb
06/29/17 10:56:38 PM
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Iron-Tarkus posted...
blahblahfatbomb posted...
I Like Toast posted...
Non HD is free though

*dies*

It's been free for a month or two now.

*wises fwom gwave*

Sweet.
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I Like Toast
06/29/17 11:18:56 PM
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FFVII_REMAKE posted...
So is Diablo 2 remastered happening too?


it's been strongly hinted at, like this was before release.

i'd pay $15 to make the d2 "look" they did in D3 be permanent for the entire game. But a d2 HD would be even better.
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Iron-Tarkus
06/30/17 4:51:05 AM
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There's a gameplay video on the starcraft subreddit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvMWz7j36UQ


It's beautiful.
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I Like Toast
06/30/17 9:30:50 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKeGwOKr7K8

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VectorChaos
06/30/17 9:32:31 AM
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MetalGearSquid
06/30/17 9:38:25 AM
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blahblahfatbomb posted...
I Like Toast posted...
Non HD is free though

*dies*

Where have you been? >_> It's been free for like 2 months now
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ChromaticAngel
06/30/17 9:39:09 AM
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Highwind07 posted...
Is the AI pathing going to be different? >_>

Are we going to have visible control groups like in SC2? >_>


If they change anything, I'd want them to just fix the story retcons so that they're part of the campaign instead of just reusing the old campaign with the stuff that never happened.
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ChromaticAngel
06/30/17 9:44:17 AM
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Highwind07 posted...
The secret missions?

I can't think of any retcons from the top of my head.


no the secret missions were always part of the game. There were several retcons like you aren't actually the executor and some other things that were changed after the fact that there is no way to know about unless you look them up online.
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CapnMuffin
06/30/17 9:53:12 AM
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Highwind07 posted...
Is the AI pathing going to be different? >_>

Are we going to have visible control groups like in SC2? >_>

From what I understand the actual game code is basically 1:1 so pathing won't be different. As far as additional quality of life stuff I'm not sure.
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The Admiral
06/30/17 10:05:31 AM
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Looking forward to this release
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Jagr_68
06/30/17 10:15:03 AM
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blahblahfatbomb posted...
For 15 dollars. Damn


Worth the money.
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I Like Toast
06/30/17 10:43:28 AM
#22:


Highwind07 posted...
Is the AI pathing going to be different? >_>

Are we going to have visible control groups like in SC2? >_>

No. It's exactly like Brood War. You can even play in multiplayer against non remake people
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Annihilated
06/30/17 10:45:42 AM
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I dunno, looks pretty much the same as the game I've played to death over the years. Maybe I'll wait for a sale.
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Turbam
06/30/17 10:47:09 AM
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So did they give up on SC2?
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The Admiral
06/30/17 10:51:35 AM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
If they change anything, I'd want them to just fix the story retcons so that they're part of the campaign instead of just reusing the old campaign with the stuff that never happened.


I'd rather they retcon the story so that none of the junk in SC2 ever happened.
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ChromaticAngel
06/30/17 10:52:20 AM
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The Admiral posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
If they change anything, I'd want them to just fix the story retcons so that they're part of the campaign instead of just reusing the old campaign with the stuff that never happened.


I'd rather they retcon the story so that none of the junk in SC2 ever happened.


what's wrong with what happened in SC2?
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EnragedSlith
06/30/17 10:52:58 AM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
The Admiral posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
If they change anything, I'd want them to just fix the story retcons so that they're part of the campaign instead of just reusing the old campaign with the stuff that never happened.


I'd rather they retcon the story so that none of the junk in SC2 ever happened.


what's wrong with what happened in SC2?

Literally everything?
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ChromaticAngel
06/30/17 10:53:59 AM
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EnragedSlith posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
The Admiral posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
If they change anything, I'd want them to just fix the story retcons so that they're part of the campaign instead of just reusing the old campaign with the stuff that never happened.


I'd rather they retcon the story so that none of the junk in SC2 ever happened.


what's wrong with what happened in SC2?

Literally everything?

that's not an answer, that's a dodge.
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I Like Toast
06/30/17 10:54:13 AM
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Turbam posted...
So did they give up on SC2?


They sell micro transactions still. They started adding announcers and shit. They did the 3 nova missions last year as well
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ChromaticAngel
06/30/17 10:56:16 AM
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I Like Toast posted...
Turbam posted...
So did they give up on SC2?


They sell micro transactions still. They started adding announcers and shit. They did the 3 nova missions last year as well


Yep. They are pushing co-op SC2 pretty hard. Looks like they are trying to move competitive esports back to Brood War.
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EnragedSlith
06/30/17 10:58:20 AM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
EnragedSlith posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
The Admiral posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
If they change anything, I'd want them to just fix the story retcons so that they're part of the campaign instead of just reusing the old campaign with the stuff that never happened.


I'd rather they retcon the story so that none of the junk in SC2 ever happened.


what's wrong with what happened in SC2?

Literally everything?

that's not an answer, that's a dodge.

"Curing" Kerrigan
White washing the Zerg
FRIEND RAYNOR
"Hey, it's me, tassadar. Turns out our eternal enemy is actually a pretty cool guy"
"The advanced scientific race that made us left all these stones and there's a PROPHECY"
"Hi, I'm jimmy jam raynor and remember when I said that kerrigan was completely unforgivable? Welp..."
Steroid looking james
Babeified kerrigan

Among other things. Been a while since I played the campaign.
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The Admiral
06/30/17 11:05:10 AM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
The Admiral posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
If they change anything, I'd want them to just fix the story retcons so that they're part of the campaign instead of just reusing the old campaign with the stuff that never happened.


I'd rather they retcon the story so that none of the junk in SC2 ever happened.


what's wrong with what happened in SC2?


- Overmind being a puppet, which directly contradicts the SC1 story from the manual.
- The Zerg home world made up of dinosaurs with annoying voices
- The atrocious ending after LotV


These are the main ones. I try to black out LotV, actually, but I hated pretty much everything about that game and how it portrayed the Protoss.
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I Like Toast
06/30/17 11:06:49 AM
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EnragedSlith posted...

"Curing" Kerrigan
White washing the Zerg
FRIEND RAYNOR
"Hey, it's me, tassadar. Turns out our eternal enemy is actually a pretty cool guy"
"The advanced scientific race that made us left all these stones and there's a PROPHECY"
"Hi, I'm jimmy jam raynor and remember when I said that kerrigan was completely unforgivable? Welp..."
Steroid looking james
Babeified kerrigan


Pretty much all of this would apply to sc1. And if you're trying to call the xel Naga the eternal enemy you didn't pay any attention to Brood War.
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Maeiv
06/30/17 11:08:08 AM
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Artanis became such an unbearable character in SC2

The only character in SC2 that was remotely interesting was Arcturus Mengsk
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ChromaticAngel
06/30/17 11:09:35 AM
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EnragedSlith posted...

"Curing" Kerrigan
White washing the Zerg
FRIEND RAYNOR
"Hey, it's me, tassadar. Turns out our eternal enemy is actually a pretty cool guy"
"The advanced scientific race that made us left all these stones and there's a PROPHECY"
"Hi, I'm jimmy jam raynor and remember when I said that kerrigan was completely unforgivable? Welp..."

Steroid looking james
Babeified kerrigan


What's wrong with curing Kerrigan?

What the fuck does it mean to white-wash the zerg? If you are talking about primal zerg... what's wrong with the concept?

FRIEND RAYNOR

Tassadar already said this in original SC2 about the Dark Templar. What other eternal enemy do they have? The Zerg? Because Tassadar definitely didn't say that about the zerg.

The part about the advanced scientific race was already established in the first game. Zeratul was already underway hunting the prophecy in the secret missions.

Kerrigan was being influenced by Amon


Raynor was a space marine. Why wouldn't he look buff?

And Kerrigan was already well on her way to being "babeified"

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thronedfire2
06/30/17 11:13:54 AM
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What a good birthday present that will be
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Inferno Dive Dragoon
06/30/17 11:19:42 AM
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Hmm, I already bought the original Starcraft way back in the day so I can't see any real reason to buy it again with slightly prettier graphics, moreso even when the original has been patched to be more compatible with current computers. (Which was the only real hitch I was having with my copy over these last few years.)
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The Admiral
06/30/17 11:56:49 AM
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Highwind07 posted...
And also Raynor and Kerrigan have had a long time sort of affair going on


The story was retconned to invent a much deeper back story about these characters. In SC1, they're introduced through Arcturus (I think in mission 3), and it's clear that this is the first time they're meeting. They only spend a short period of time together before Kerrigan is abducted, and there was no romance between them that was ever present in the SC1 story.
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I Like Toast
06/30/17 12:09:25 PM
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The Admiral posted...
there was no romance between them that was ever present in the SC1


There first meeting is her reading his mind and calling him a pig. And clearly takes her loss stronger than a random woman. It causes him to leave the sons of korhal and immediately try to rescue her

Books that came out before Sc2 also further push the relationship, but I don't expect people to read medicore video game books
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ChromaticAngel
06/30/17 12:13:32 PM
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Highwind07 posted...
Come to think of it, you're right.

I only remember a handful of moments that they had some meaningful conversation: when she foresaw something awful happening to her because of her ghost powers and when Raynor found out what she looked like when she mutated into a Zerg.


On their first encounter she comments about mind reading perveted thoughts from him about her. He had a thing for her the moment they met.
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Webmaster4531
06/30/17 12:15:06 PM
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SC1 was from a 4th wall perspective. The Commander wouldn't see Reynor or Kerrigan very often. Sucks we were retconned out.
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ChromaticAngel
06/30/17 12:16:35 PM
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Webmaster4531 posted...
SC1 was from a 4th wall perspective. The Commander wouldn't see Reynor or Kerrigan very often. Sucks we were retconned out.


IIRC it was only retconned out of the Terran and Protoss campaigns. You are still a cerebrate in Brood War although Kerrigan eventually betrays and kills the remaining cerebrates.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
06/30/17 12:19:16 PM
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I Like Toast posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKeGwOKr7K8


Those sounds are so comforting.
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Webmaster4531
06/30/17 12:21:15 PM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
IIRC it was only retconned out of the Terran and Protoss campaigns. You are still a cerebrate in Brood War although Kerrigan eventually betrays and kills the remaining cerebrates.

DuranOfForcena posted...
you weren't retconned out though. SCII establishes that Artanis is the Executor you play as in SC1.

The only one retconned out was Terran. Reynor was just a damn sheriff.
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EnragedSlith
06/30/17 12:35:38 PM
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Kerrigan's whole arc in brood war was becoming an irredeemable monster. She wasn't controlled by the xel naga. Raynor grew to DESPISE her.

And the Overmind capturing her wasn't some plot to one up his "masters", it was to assimilate a race with latent psychic abilities, which was central to their entire squabble with the protoss. And let's not forget that the Overmind's entire backstory was literally killing off the xel naga and chasing them out of the galaxy. The xel naga were researchers and scientists and didn't anticipate that their creation was aware of them.

The entire point of Starcraft was humans caught in the middle of a millennia long struggle between two advanced space faring races and humans being a natural bridge between zerg and the protoss. The xel naga returning to finish what they started is a perfectly fine direction to take the story, especially since it was established in the first game, but retconning other key components to create an entirely different narrative is lazy at best and turned an interesting IP into a generic abysmal mess.

And yes, they "white washed" the zerg. The zerg were the villains of the first game. They're a Ridley Scott's Alien inspired race that exists to consume and assimilate. That their entire drive was retconned as Xel Naga controlled is fucking stupid and contradicts their origin outlined in game and in the original manual
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