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Paper_Okami
06/28/17 7:50:43 PM
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@John_Galt
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Webmaster4531
06/28/17 7:52:02 PM
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Of course.
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Paper_Okami
06/28/17 7:58:12 PM
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@Clad
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Vertania
06/28/17 7:59:28 PM
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Paper_Okami
06/28/17 8:27:30 PM
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Vertania posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j56IiLqZ9U


lol, this is great.
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Webmaster4531
06/28/17 8:28:51 PM
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Libertarians stop reading for different reasons.
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HylianFox
06/28/17 8:38:43 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8m8cQI4DgM

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Polycosm
06/28/17 8:43:54 PM
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That Roark/Dominique rape scene from The Fountainhead sorta has a 50 Shades vibe to it. Doesn't really do it for me, though.
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Mal_Fet
06/28/17 9:16:53 PM
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Libertarianism isn't Objectivism.

TC, why would you make a topic asking people what they think of Atlas Shrugged when you clearly never read it yourself?
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Webmaster4531
06/28/17 9:18:20 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
Libertarianism isn't Objectivism.

TC, why would you make a topic asking people what they think of Atlas Shrugged when you clearly never read it yourself?

You read the question wrong.
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thrashmetal14
06/28/17 9:23:08 PM
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Im a libertarian and I dont give a shit about Ayn Rand
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HylianFox
06/28/17 9:25:50 PM
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https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b3aac7ee2d965550cecd4815bc44750ee46f5c7d21d74be9d73f51257899e89e.jpg?w=600&h=412
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Paper_Okami
06/28/17 9:25:58 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
Libertarianism isn't Objectivism.

TC, why would you make a topic asking people what they think of Atlas Shrugged when you clearly never read it yourself?


DO YOU DEED WHILE YOU READ IT, WOW MCFLY YOUR READING COMPREHENSION IS REALLY BAD, NO SURPRISE OTHERWISE YOU'D REALIZE HOW FUCKING STUPID AYN RAND IS!
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MakoReizei
06/28/17 9:28:26 PM
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RebelElite791
06/28/17 9:29:05 PM
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Mal isn't libertarian by any stretch of the imagination.
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Paper_Okami
06/28/17 9:34:41 PM
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RebelElite791 posted...
Mal isn't libertarian by any stretch of the imagination.


well what ever he believes in, it's stupid.
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Webmaster4531
06/28/17 9:36:49 PM
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Paper_Okami posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
Mal isn't libertarian by any stretch of the imagination.


well what ever he believes in, it's stupid.

Amen.
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Mal_Fet
06/28/17 9:42:33 PM
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RebelElite791 posted...
Mal isn't libertarian by any stretch of the imagination.

What do you believe a libertarian is, and in what way do I differ from that?
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Polycosm
06/29/17 2:02:50 AM
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Mal_Fet posted...
Libertarianism isn't Objectivism.

Technically true, but there's 99% overlap there. Even though Rand herself hated Libertarians for not being pure enough. The difference is mostly just in the derivation of values.
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hockeybub89
06/29/17 2:11:54 AM
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Mal_Fet posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
Mal isn't libertarian by any stretch of the imagination.

What do you believe a libertarian is, and in what way do I differ from that?

Trump isn't a libertarian, so you aren't.
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ManSpread
06/29/17 2:15:55 AM
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MarqueeSeries
06/29/17 2:29:50 AM
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As a libertarian, I exclusively deed to Atlas Shrugged
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Mal_Fet
06/29/17 4:27:32 AM
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Polycosm posted...
Technically true, but there's 99% overlap there.

No there isn't
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Polycosm
06/29/17 4:43:51 AM
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Mal_Fet posted...
Polycosm posted...
Technically true, but there's 99% overlap there.

No there isn't

Most Libertarians believe that the non-agression principle is irreducible; Objectivists derive it from Aristotelian axioms.

Most Libertarians are non-interventionist; Objectivists have some bizarre notion that the Native Americans were savages who deserved to have their land taken away because they weren't productive with it.

Aside from that, what major differences are there?
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Mal_Fet
06/29/17 6:55:21 AM
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Polycosm posted...
Aside from that, what major differences are there?

How about how Objectivism is a life philosophy that includes metaphysical nonsense and Libertarianism is an approach to politics based on government essentialism

You may as well ask what major differences there are between Libertarianism and the Hawley-Smoot Treaty. They're entirely different things.
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ledbowman
06/29/17 7:09:14 AM
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Kineth
06/29/17 7:21:06 AM
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Mal_Fet posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
Mal isn't libertarian by any stretch of the imagination.

What do you believe a libertarian is, and in what way do I differ from that?


All your authoritarian viewpoints and anti-liberty sentiments, especially in the economic/business world are why you're not a libertarian. For example, you were heavily complaining about Alamo Drafthouse having a females only screening. No concern for business autonomy.

You have no concern or clue about the letter of the law either as that same example as well as another. Your concern about that shop not wanting to make wedding cakes for a gay wedding. It's tacitly understood and has always been a thing that a business has a right to refuse service to people if they don't want to. They don't need to fucking insult people or be bigots to refuse service.

Then there's also the whole casually supporting a police state that all cop apologists are doing.

The idea of libertarianism for the most part is to have the government stop interfering with shit and you have no consistency on how you want government action applied beyond, like most alt right people, being a single to handful of issue(s) talking head. The sheer amount of authoritarian, which is, literally, diametrically opposed to libertarianism, talking points that you have is why you are not a libertarian. You're just a wolf in sheep's clothing.
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Polycosm
06/29/17 7:55:58 AM
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Mal_Fet posted...
Polycosm posted...
Aside from that, what major differences are there?

How about how Objectivism is a life philosophy that includes metaphysical nonsense and Libertarianism is an approach to politics based on government essentialism

Right-- the difference is almost purely academic. Objectivists believe in philosophical axioms; Libertarians believe in political ones. But in the end, they mostly converge on politics, which informs how we interact with each other, vote and live our lives. They're entirely the same, except for those deeper layers of philosophy that only ever get trotted out for discussions about philosophy.
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Mal_Fet
06/29/17 8:47:03 AM
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Polycosm posted...
Right-- the difference is almost purely academic. Objectivists believe in philosophical axioms; Libertarians believe in political ones.

Um, doesn't every political and philosophical outlook involve axioms?

They're entirely the same, except for those deeper layers of philosophy that only ever get trotted out for discussions about philosophy.

How about you go ahead and explain the ways you think they're the same. That way we can weed out your misconceptions.
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Polycosm
06/29/17 9:32:05 AM
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Mal_Fet posted...
How about you go ahead and explain the ways you think they're the same. That way we can weed out your misconceptions.

individual liberty and self-interest above the common need of the collective
cooperation must be voluntary (no compulsory charity)
NAP (i.e. initiation of force is immoral)
laissez-faire capitalism

Objectivism has always been a major influence on the Libertarian movement. Libertarian candidates have routinely cited Objectivism as the philosophy underlying their politics. Most of the self-proclaimed Objectivists I've known also identify as Libertarian, although there is a large, hardcore, Rand-worshiping branch of Objectivists who are openly hostile to everyone-- especially Libertarians who aren't pure enough.

Rand herself famously accused Libertarians of plagiarizing her ideas.
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Mal_Fet
06/29/17 10:01:28 AM
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Polycosm posted...
individual liberty and self-interest above the common need of the collective
cooperation must be voluntary (no compulsory charity)
NAP (i.e. initiation of force is immoral)
laissez-faire capitalism

Bolded are things that Libertarianism isn't.

Glad we got that all cleared up.
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E32005
06/29/17 10:02:50 AM
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She wrote some boring books who cares her opinion?
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Balrog0
06/29/17 10:29:10 AM
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Polycosm posted...
Most Libertarians believe that the non-agression principle is irreducible


nah I don't think that's true

in terms of intellectuals it definitely isn't, and in terms of the more general public I guess there are some libertarians who care about the NAP but mostly its just about taxes and regulations. At least in my limited experience
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Kineth
06/29/17 10:35:01 AM
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Balrog0 posted...
Polycosm posted...
Most Libertarians believe that the non-agression principle is irreducible


nah I don't think that's true

in terms of intellectuals it definitely isn't, and in terms of the more general public I guess there are some libertarians who care about the NAP but mostly its just about taxes and regulations. At least in my limited experience


Those are people who don't know what libertarianism and are mislabeling their belief system.
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Webmaster4531
06/29/17 11:57:10 AM
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Mal_Fet posted...
Polycosm posted...
laissez-faire capitalism

Bolded are things that Libertarianism isn't.

Glad we got that all cleared up.

The fuck? That's the only thing Libertarians stand for. Just a bunch of garbage human beings.
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M-Watcher
06/29/17 12:05:03 PM
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So if you tell someone deeding to Atlas Shrugged that the author died on welfare, do they completely lose the mood?
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psvitantifail
06/29/17 12:14:35 PM
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I have never read her book so I would not know...
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Master_Bass
06/29/17 12:31:58 PM
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Webmaster4531 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Polycosm posted...
laissez-faire capitalism

Bolded are things that Libertarianism isn't.

Glad we got that all cleared up.

The fuck? That's the only thing Libertarians stand for. Just a bunch of garbage human beings.

There are libertarian socialists. They're not common in America, but it is an idealogy.
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Webmaster4531
06/29/17 12:34:41 PM
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Master_Bass posted...
Webmaster4531 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Polycosm posted...
laissez-faire capitalism

Bolded are things that Libertarianism isn't.

Glad we got that all cleared up.

The fuck? That's the only thing Libertarians stand for. Just a bunch of garbage human beings.

There are libertarian socialists. They're not common in America, but it is an idealogy.

It's like a Bothan in your sig. Never seen but just mentioned.
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Kineth
06/29/17 12:41:02 PM
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I'm a left leaning libertarian so I guess I qualify as a libertarian socialist.
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Polycosm
06/29/17 6:25:12 PM
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Master_Bass posted...
There are libertarian socialists. They're not common in America, but it is an idealogy.

Have you ever met a libertarian socialist IRL? Ever heard of a libertarian socialist political candidate? I haven't. I'm aware that there are 11-odd types of libertarian but it's sort of similar to how there are 71 gender options on Facebook. I'll respect whatever someone wants to be called but it's a drop in the freaking ocean, man.
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