Board 8 > A Feast For Crows Mafia: Topic 9 - Egg, I Dreamed that I Was Old

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hey Red
did you claim yet?
because its a nice touch for you to talk about lynching nillas or powers if we dont know what you are
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Ehh screw it. Samwell Tarly, Vanilla.

I'm going to regret claiming tomorrow I'm sure.
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Also I want you all to know I was totally considering gambit claiming a target on MI when he claimed today just to see his reaction. I would have fessed up soon enough after doing it, but I cant help but think we'd have benefited from his reaction.

The fact that I was vanilla should have been plainly obvious to everyone long ago though. So no point holding in my pocket anymore.
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well nilla was what I expected yeah
going to look into Chris now
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At face value 7 + 5 makes more sense

The only thing I disagree with, is that scum seems stupidly powerful as well. So 8 + 4 is interesting.

Death - Chris defending him cause of power tell? Gets roleblocked constantly but hasn't been that active

Leo - Weird role. One without that much confirmation, but I can see through how scum is acting that it doesn't seem scum aligned. Maybe indie?

MI - Seems Town through actions but role claim is semi convenient. Would expect scum to shoot MI last night instead of Leo.
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I think we shouldnt try killing power yet until we get another night
though on the other hand resolving MI/Leo while we can is tempting, but therein lies a false thought of 'MI or Leo have to be scum' when scum could just be stupidly powerful
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also yeah Bloodborne is draining my activity away
I could get away with it on day3, but I promise I will be more involved in about... four hours
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Assuming 5 scum -

Bulletproof (Protection)
Double Voting Protector (Protection?)
Ninja Cop (Investigative)
Bodyguard (Protection)
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Mason Recruiting Backup (Don't even know what to call this)
Jack (Bus/Psychic/Track) (Protection/Investigative x2)
Thief (Investigative)
Vigilante (Killing)

VS

Persistant Strongman Vigilante
Ninja Godfather
Roleblocker?
Some kind of tracker/watcher?
???

The thing that sticks out to me here as not fitting the trend if Leo. Everything else seems like it has a logic counter that makes the powers a bit weaker, even without knowing what protector actually is.
But I do think I agree with the feeling that we should lynch the vanillas as there are too many of them.
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Han's attitude has seemed off this game but this is like, my second game ever with Han so I don't know how to read that.
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I don't think my Boko question was acknowledged

Basically if he can remember any AIM chats we had ever
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I guess it doesn't hurt to get boko confirmation, we only have confirmed the other 2.

At this point though do you think there's a scum role that can recruite 2 town, but not 3? I don't see a difference
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Boko has not said anything recently

He targeted Stan because duh, and Shad because he didn't strongly have anyone he wanted to live instead of him. He targeted Shad because if all the power claims were legit roleblocker was the most powerful.

I agree with MI, though. Stop giving scum excuses to cost. You realize discussing my role is the only thing Han and KBM have done all day, right?

I can see why Red has to resist the urge to flavor meta
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I'm still 3 hours from being home btw and I did NOT sleep well last night
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Employee appreciation day at my work, so we're going to a baseball game then movie.

I'll be in sporadically as best I can
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Its a stretch to say I'm enabling coasting. But basically it's what red said, didn't notice a list of who verified what. I was simply following up on my one question.

My spidey senses think Nana/Han is scum/scum. Maybe we'll see some fireworks later tonight though.
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bng_mmmk posted...

My spidey senses think Nana/Han is scum/scum. Maybe we'll see some fireworks later tonight though.

I'm agreeing with this. I keep going back and forth between which of them to lynch today but I don't truly think it matters.
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Han and Nana aren't equal for me, I strongly prefer Han at this point.
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I think Han is slightly likelier to be scum than Nana. I also think we needn't remove KBM from the plate entirely.

##vote: Han
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Why do we feel scum is stupidly powerful?
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I don't actually know. It seems pretty standard so far to me
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query
would Shad vote Han right out of the gate if he was a scumpartner?
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Why not? He was obviously going to get a lot of attention for that vote.
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My Immortal posted...

Han's attitude has seemed off this game but this is like, my second game ever with Han so I don't know how to read that.

We've played more than two games together!



And Leo is literally calling me out for pointing out that his role is bullshit. That's not deserving of suspicion, that's just defensive redirect.


And don't get on me for not doing a whole lot, because you've done one single thing this entire game, aside from lie and send Town scrambling back in forth with your fucking anti-Town play.


I can't believe people are so willing to accept what a stupid role you have.
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Han - do you believe Leo is taking to those players or that he's faking the whole thing?
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And I remember 2 prior to this one, Hamilton and hearthstone but I replaced out of hearthstone fairly early so I don't really count it. Am I forgetting others?
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So are you going to vote me?

Or are you just going to keep responding to "you haven't done anything to find scum" with "so what?!?!? YOU haven't done anything to find scum!!!!!"

Which, really, is a logical fallacy.

But here:

I tried hard to lynch Shad day two

You tried hard to defend Shad day two

How much more have you done for town exactly? What brilliant investigations put you above the rest of us? Was it when you broke a tie at the last second to lynch town?
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Maybe it was when you prevented a night kill last night?
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I'm sure you're forgetting more. Whatever the last one I played in... Crono? Starcraft? Skyrim? Maybe more games from years ago? I'm not sure.


I don't think I have a reason to believe Leo would be lying about talking to those players, and at this point that would be a difficult con to pull. With the answers I got I could believe someone did a lot of research to come up with that but it doesn't make as much sense as him just talking to FFD.
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Leo3L posted...

Maybe it was when you prevented a night kill last night?

This is specifically why I think Leo is lying.

Why would he "know" he prevented a night kill?
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That's the weakest attempt yet.

I'm bulletproof , wasn't roleblocked and it's highly unlikely there's unclaimed protection. What else is even remotely likely to have happened

I say again, if this is the hill you're choosing to die On, vote me. You're clearly not willing or able to attempt to make or fake a case on someone aside from going "this role isn't fairrrrr" so let's get it to it.
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Do you have proof you're bulletproof?
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And no, I don't need to throw down a vote on you and piss off the rest of the day just because you say so. I'd point to other posts I've made this day, but you clearly lack any interest in reading or telling the truth, so I don't give a single fuck about an anti-Town player's opinions, even if they turn out to be Town.
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Just reviewing Votals:

KBM was on both MLs but didn't vote yesterday and has been neglible today / hasn't voted today. The only other player on both MLs is Jeff, but he's certainly Town.

If MI is scum, I think VI has to be a scum partner of his, and the third scum would be either Han or KBM, but leaning Han

It's going to be difficult for anyone to convince me any of Jeff/Leo/Puns are not town. Red is the only player left that I really just am not sure of.

Thinking about it, I'm just not sure about Death either. Occam's razor says he's being roleblocked, but it's possible there's no roleblocker so he's just making it up. There was no mafia roleblocker in GOT2 and Chris was super pissed about the setup because of that (plus 2 town BGs plus his role requiring scum to shoot vanillas).
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Yeah that four hours I pretended to not have recruited Stan and Boko really crippled town, what an asshole I am.

You haven't voted, so I don't care what your earlier posts vaguely insinuated since you clearly don't have a strong conviction about them. Seriously, you're able to make how many posts getting into a cat fight with me and how many actually finding scum? If you're Town that's what I need from you, not a bunch of whining
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I would be surprised if there was no scum roleblocker if you believe Leo's role
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Yeah, if there was no scum blocker, or if we lynch the scum blocker today, scum should just concede.

Spoilers for tonight's night actions otherwise - Death dies and I get roleblocked and no knowledge is gained.
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I do feel a little guilty about my role though. Town BP being mislynched d1 was just so unlikely
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Leo3L posted...

That's the weakest attempt yet.

I'm bulletproof , wasn't roleblocked and it's highly unlikely there's unclaimed protection. What else is even remotely likely to have happened

I say again, if this is the hill you're choosing to die On, vote me. You're clearly not willing or able to attempt to make or fake a case on someone aside from going "this role isn't fairrrrr" so let's get it to it.

It was interesting to me you never fathomed that my third Jack ability could've stopped the kill
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That was probably confirmation bias on my part. We had quite a lively debate about what scum would do last night
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But basically, if you stopped the kill that would mean scum shot death, but didn't roleblock either of us. Unless you claimed to have protected me, in which case blah
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Why is traffic stopped on the highway

I haven't been home for a week

Maybe this highway is my home now
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Leo3L posted...

Yeah that four hours I pretended to not have recruited Stan and Boko really crippled town, what an asshole I am.

You haven't voted, so I don't care what your earlier posts vaguely insinuated since you clearly don't have a strong conviction about them. Seriously, you're able to make how many posts getting into a cat fight with me and how many actually finding scum? If you're Town that's what I need from you, not a bunch of whining

Why are you implying that I have to have a vote down to participate or have convictions?
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I didn't mean to imply it, I meant to just say it

You're keeping your options as open as possible without committing to anything. It's shady.
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My Immortal posted...

Leo3L posted...

That's the weakest attempt yet.

I'm bulletproof , wasn't roleblocked and it's highly unlikely there's unclaimed protection. What else is even remotely likely to have happened

I say again, if this is the hill you're choosing to die On, vote me. You're clearly not willing or able to attempt to make or fake a case on someone aside from going "this role isn't fairrrrr" so let's get it to it.

It was interesting to me you never fathomed that my third Jack ability could've stopped the kill

isnt this point moot when you realize Leo wouldnt be sure about your third power, regardless of alignment?
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Hey death who you lynching tonight if the day ended in 5 minutes?
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KBM
second choice, Han
third choice, Nana

that said, now that I can finally start my sir ChrISO
I might be able to actually vote
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Leo3L posted...

I didn't mean to imply it, I meant to just say it

You're keeping your options as open as possible without committing to anything. It's shady.

No, that's bad logic.

People withhold their votes in mafia all the time. Especially closer to endgame.

I'll hard gun for who I have gut on in early days but when the game gets later it's more important to be sure of who you're going for than to throw votes around willy-nilly.
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There's also zero reason to doubt MI at this point, upon n thinking

Leo said Boko guarded Stan, correct? So that basically verifies the bus drive unless it's Leo/MI (Good grief Town would be weak then)

Why did you start the Day attacking MI though, last question I swear I'm about to unlock the game
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I don't think willy-nilly matters rn
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VeryInsane posted...

There's also zero reason to doubt MI at this point, upon n thinking

Leo said Boko guarded Stan, correct? So that basically verifies the bus drive unless it's Leo/MI (Good grief Town would be weak then)

Why did you start the Day attacking MI though, last question I swear I'm about to unlock the game

Because based on the information provided to the game at large, then believing all power roles, I thought the ideal scum night action would be block/kill MI/Death, next night kill the other one and block me so I don't get a scan result, should I be able to recruit more than two players. That would deny Town the most information from power roles. Sure, I get Boko or Scare, but is that really less scary than a Bus Drive/Tracker/X Jack?

So when I ended up getting (PROBABLYYYYYYY) shot and MI completely untouched, I got highly suspicious about a scum bus drive and MI trying to triple down on that.
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