Current Events > what do you think of game companies that are flagrantly anti-modding?

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rockstar recently sent a cease and desist on an important program used for modding gta v single player. what do you think of companies doing things like that.
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They fucking suck a fuck
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stupid as shit. IMO they shouldn't be allowed to regulate/stop it
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Definitely a preposterously anti-consumer move.
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Single-player-only games, it's stupid to try and stop modders.
Multiplayer games (even if only the single-player aspect was being modded, like GTAV), it's a good idea because people are gonna use mods to cheat. (It was only a matter of time before the program was changed to mod MP GTAV.)

In general, any company that feels threatened by hobbyists need to get their shit together. It's a sign that they're out of touch with what the fan base actually want.

For stuff like cheating it's more understandable.
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Mikablu posted...

Single-player-only games, it's stupid to try and stop modders.
Multiplayer games (even if only the single-player aspect was being modded, like GTAV), it's a good idea because people are gonna use mods to cheat. (It was only a matter of time before the program was changed to mod MP GTAV.)

That being OpenIV? As far as I understood, it's a file editor and manager, and is also specifically designed to prevent its use for tampering with online. If it is modified to tamper with online, such as by changing a vehicles handling characteristics, that'd crash the game in seconds due to desyncing. The game apparently checks that the client-side files match a predefined criteria on a regular basis. If they don't match, it's a swift desync and crash. However, as I said, OpenIV is hardcoded to prevent its use online. Most online cheating is done with script injectors and hex editors, which don't depend or require OpenIV's functions in any capacity or form.
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Thompson posted...

Definitely a preposterously anti-consumer move.

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Mikablu posted...

Single-player-only games, it's stupid to try and stop modders.
Multiplayer games (even if only the single-player aspect was being modded, like GTAV), it's a good idea because people are gonna use mods to cheat. (It was only a matter of time before the program was changed to mod MP GTAV.)

This isn't a problem as often as you would think, and problematic mods (such as bots) can be removed by admins, proxies can be banned, etc. No reason to limit modding.
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Mods have long been a cornerstone of the Unreal series, and even gave birth to some popular stand-alone games today (Killing Floor and Red Orchestra started out as UT mods).
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The game is their property, and they have the right to do with it as they see fit. They have to regulate what people are doing to it

There was a court case last month with a printer ink cartridge mod company that won the case because once customers buy the product the company that created the ink cartridges no longer owns the rights to that particular product.

Meaning that as long as we legally obtained the product, it is ours to do with as we please.
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I wish they'd butt out, unless the mod is an actual threat to their IP / online modes.

gunplagirl posted...

There was a court case last month with a printer ink cartridge mod company that won the case because once customers buy the product the company that created the ink cartridges no longer owns the rights to that particular product.

Meaning that as long as we legally obtained the product, it is ours to do with as we please.

The difference with that is that that company obtained physical products. it's already been established that the programs for games do not belong to the consumer. Even with physical copies, you own the disc itself and NOT the game code stored on it. That still belongs to the dev or publisher.

literal_garbage posted...

The game is their property, and they have the right to do with it as they see fit. They have to regulate what people are doing to it

I own the copy I brought...
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I honestly could not care less about modding
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You have too much time on your hands if you actually care about this

Mikablu posted...

gunplagirl posted...

There was a court case last month with a printer ink cartridge mod company that won the case because once customers buy the product the company that created the ink cartridges no longer owns the rights to that particular product.

Meaning that as long as we legally obtained the product, it is ours to do with as we please.

The difference with that is that that company obtained physical products. it's already been established that the programs for games do not belong to the consumer. Even with physical copies, you own the disc itself and NOT the game code stored on it. That still belongs to the dev or publisher.

This is precedent that will be used to combat those rulings in the future
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Mikablu posted...

Multiplayer games (even if only the single-player aspect was being modded, like GTAV), it's a good idea because people are gonna use mods to cheat. (It was only a matter of time before the program was changed to mod MP GTAV.)

Banning single-player mod tools because "they could leak into multiplayer!" is bullshit. Rockstar could spend actual time and money making their multiplayer harder to hack if they actually gave a shit. But basically every decision they've made w/r/t GTA Online has been to reduce their costs as much as possible while milking Shark cards.

I will give them props that they threatened at least one hack vendor with the same legal C&D bullshit. But unless they fix GTA Online(and they arent going to), there will ALWAYS be a group working on hacks for MP. Shutting down single-player mod groups does literally nothing to stop them.
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eston posted...

I honestly could not care less about modding

Console peasant...
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Rexdragon125 posted...

You have a pc you actually care about this

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWndQzBPAuU
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psvitantifail posted...

literal_garbage posted...

The game is their property, and they have the right to do with it as they see fit. They have to regulate what people are doing to it

I own the copy I brought...

Maybe try reading those terms of service

The EULA/ToS is not legally binding, though, and doesn't supersede the law in most (if not all) countries.
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