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You can ask about Battle Network/Star Force canon if you want but I remember nothing about most of the BN games and have only played SF1 so don't expect a quality answer.
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counting 9 and 10?
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does mega man have a dong

why did Dr Light build small children?

Why Is Bass A Bad Boy
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Milkman5 posted...

does mega man have a dong

What do you think he meant in the topic title, by "traditional canon"? He is obviously an expert on robot dicks.
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counting 9 and 10?

Sure. Also counting X, Zero, ZX and Legends.

does mega man have a dong

Nope. Megaman Trigger miiiiiiiiiiiiiiight but I think it's pretty clear he's much more machine than human/carbon.

why did Dr Light build small children?

I don't think there's ever been an official statement but I always got the vibe that he always wanted kids. There's a fanmade live-action movie whose director got the same vibe and ran with it, saying that Dr. Light had a wife pregnant with twins but she died before they could be born, so Rock and Roll were made in order to cope. which I like but it's obviously not canon.
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Why Is Bass A Bad Boy

Because he was made by ze evil Doktor Vily!
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Is it true X is the original Megaman
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Is it true X is the original Megaman

Nope. Though you might think so as a result of X2 labeling X's dialog bubble "Mega Man" rather than "X," this is because X's full name is "Mega Man X." The X1 intro states such and the book that came with the game is supposed to confirm, though I haven't read it myself.

There are two reasons off the top of my head why can't be Mega Man himself, though.

1. In Mega Man & Bass, a data CD about Quint from Mega Man II reveals that he was Mega Man from the future. Quint, of course, died in th s t game when Mega Man killed him. Though an official statement, it's the kind of thing that seems sketchy, but this was confirmed in the main plot of Rockman & Forte: Challenger from the Future, in which the big bad (Mega Man Shadow) makes this statement directly. Although Mega Man Shadow's identity changes between Mega Man and Bass' stories (or maybe it's just worded oddly?), in both stories, Quint's identity is the same.

2. X and Mega Man are not even the same kind of machine. Mega Man is a traditional robot, while X is, well, X. Technically speaking, X is not a Repoild but only on the technicality that Reploids are defined as copies of X's program. The difference between X and traditional robots is that X and the Reploids (and Zero) have free will, actual thought capability and the potential to harm humans. Although Mega Man does seem to be a particular exception to these rules, as evidenced by narration in Mega Man 4 indicating he has a strong sense of justice and the events of Mega Man 7, where he attempts to actually shoot to kill an unarmored Dr. Wily, he's actually not the only robot to violate Asimov's first law, which suggests it might not be as strict as in Asimov's fiction. And furthermore, Dr. Light actually discusses need for the upgrades to AI that resulted in X with Mega Man himself in one ending to the second arcade game. So X has neither the body nor the AI program of Mega Man.
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How do we know his arm cannon isn't actually a dong?
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I know more about Mega Man than you
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How do we know his arm cannon isn't actually a dong?

We don't, but if it is, this is only because Dr. Light called it such, essentially defining the term in a way that he sees fit but is so far detatched from human anatomy that it would qualify only on the technicality that Light said so. For example, its purpose had nothing to do with reproduction, nor is it located on the body in the same location as on the humans he was modeled after, nor does it bear much of a resemblance. This would be like Dr. Light calling Mega Man's helmet a pair of lungs.
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DevsBro posted...

You can ask about Battle Network/Star Force canon if you want but I remember nothing about most of the BN games and have only played SF1 so don't expect a quality answer.

what's up with the relationship between Mega Man (Rockman), Zero and Mega Man X (X)?

Did Zero kill rock?

I never bought the bullshit explanation that he had a virus he passed to sigma and then after he did he became good, and X's mentor... I mean, he was supposed to be bad in the first place, wasn't he?

What happened to Zero in the time between mega man and mega man x? I mean supposedly many years passed right?
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So did the original Mega Man ever ended?
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Did Zero kill Mega Man?
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Thoughts about ZXA's secret Hard Mode ending and how it may tie-in to Legends?
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DevsBro posted...

Rock and Roll

Wtf so tjats why its rockman in Japanese. Mega and roll sounds weird, and rockman sounds weird too. But now i know
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what's up with the relationship between Mega Man (Rockman), Zero and Mega Man X (X)?

Mega Man and X were both built by Dr. Light. Their apperance is similar, as if X was supposed to be an upgraded version of Mega Man, but they are not directly related, as explained above.

X and Zero were inspired around the same time. X because Dr. Light decided that robots needed to exhibit better ethical judgment in action, and Zero simply because Wily couldn't beat Mega Man. Zero was built well before X, mainly because Light's motivation required a lot more research than Wily's simple "just make it insanely strong" approach but we don't know what happened between Classic and X series that caused Zero to apparently disappear until after X's activation. Maybe he didn't even disappear at all.

If I had to guess, Zero went into a "mission accomplished" mode after Mega Man disappeared until X, who looks similar and maybe even has some kind of electronic similarity reappeared, but this is just my guess.

Did Zero kill rock?

Probably not. Mega Man's defeat of Quint, and his later defeat of Mega Man Shadow make it both unnecessary and yet still possible for Zero to have killed Mega Man. But we do know that the formerly ppular "Zero Cataclysm" fan theory by which Zero killed the whole cast of Classic's robot masters has been confirmed false, so it's likely he didn't fight Mega Man either.

I never bought the bulls*** explanation that he had a virus he passed to sigma and then after he did he became good, and X's mentor... I mean, he was supposed to be bad in the first place, wasn't he?

Like many things in Mega Man X lore, Capcom can't make up their minds about this. At first, Sigma simply went crazy because the Reploid program left the possibility open. In X4, they made this into a virus of sorts that he "caught" from Zero, who lost it entirely at that time. A few years after X8, they chnged their minds again and called it a "troubled circuit" within X that somehow spread to Zero before he fought Sigma.

The second version is pretty much kosher, simply because they've built so much lore around it but the third version makes no sense to begin with and complicates a lot of things about Zero's origin.

If you ask me, they should have stuck with the original but es que es.

What happened to Zero in the time between mega man and mega man x? I mean supposedly many years passed right?

See above. At least thirty years passed between Classic and X. As many as 200. We don't really know. Classic takes place in 20XX, and notably Mega Man 2 makes reference to 200X, while X takes place in 21XX. Supposing that 20XX is 2000 and 21XX is 2199, this leaves up to 200 years. But on the other end, we do know thst at least 30 years pass because the 30 year test on X's reliability was complete when Dr. Cain discovered the capsule.
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How did X go from Elf form to Biometal? (MMZ to MMZX)
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Ever played MM8BDM? If so, what do you think of the altered story?
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So did the original Mega Man ever ended?

Not satisfactorily. The second arcde game did give us some information. Light starts researching for X, Wily starts building Zero, Proto Man refuses to let Light perform a repair on his energy systems, which likely lead to his downfall, but that's it. Mega Man 10 does provide a space virus which seems like it might be related to the Maverick virus, in what appears to be yet another retcon, but Wily (of all people) cures it (after somehow catching it..? We don't know what happened to the majority of the cast.

Thoughts about ZXA's secret Hard Mode ending and how it may tie-in to Legends?

First I've heard of it. Guess I'll be replaying ZXA soon.

Wtf so tjats why its rockman in Japanese. Mega and roll sounds weird, and rockman sounds weird too. But now i know

A lot of the robot masters had musical names in Japan. Rock and Roll, Proto Man was Blues, and Bass and Treble were Forte and Gospel. Bass and Treble are still musical names. Rush(ing) is what you call it when you play music too fast.
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How did X go from Elf form to Biometal? (MMZ to MMZX)

Ciel did it. How is anyone's guess. Given that X's Cyber Elf runs out of energy entirely in Z3, there must be some sort of consciousness stored within the body too. I believe Prarie mentions this. Though this does defeat the purpose of said Z3 scene, Capcom do what Capcom want. Capcom pull what Capcom want out of Capcom ass. There's also the question of how in the world this applies to Weil for model W.
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Ever played MM8BDM? If so, what do you think of the altered story?

Not really. I played it once for a few minutes. Didn't even realize there was a story. It was too hard for me, lol.
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What are your thoughts on this fan made video of a fight taking place in the end of X5?

MASSIVE SPOILERS!!!!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McjxOBZrmoo
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DevsBro posted...

Ever played MM8BDM? If so, what do you think of the altered story?

Not really. I played it once for a few minutes. Didn't even realize there was a story. It was too hard for me, lol.

Probably you played the older versions. Try the latest one, it's revamped now. Quint plays a somewhat important and tragic role too as a secret boss.
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Is Mega Man Volnutt the same as X (biometal, I guess) or even OG Mega Man?
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Where should the X series have ended to make the most sense for the Zero series?

Is Mega Man Volnutt the same as X (biometal, I guess) or even OG Mega Man?

I suppose this isn't an impossibility but no, it's extremely unlikely. Volnutt, or Trigger, was a part of "the system" (which needs a better name) run by the Master to control/monitor the carbons on the planet. In particular, he was a purifier unit. Notably, he appears to be much more organic than X despite clearly having interchangable parts, which would be nigh impossible for a human even with a biometal. Also notable is thst he was reset at least once, which actually reduced his apparent age to thst of an infant. It's much more likely that Trigger is a robot built with organic or simply organic-looking parts.

Perhaps he could be an advanced pseudoroid but notably one of the "advancements" to the pseudoroid design would be that he actually can't regenerate upon destruction. At least not on his own. He was indeed reset at one point in his past but this is a very different process. There's also the question of where Model X's consciousness is and why Trigger never hears it. Perhaps the two have merged?

Though the idea would seem a lot less unlikely if not for ZXA. In ZX, the difference between humans and reploids has grown less distinct and less over the centuries only to be reinforced again by the sequel.

Most importantly, Legends was only added to the traditional canon as an after thought, so any attempt to make this sort of claim would be like forcing a square peg into a round hole. Which I wouldn't put past Capcom.

A more plausible idea is that The Master is actually his time's Blue Mega Man--that is, a human merged with biometal model X. Perhaps also with models Z or W. One ending to X5 revealed X as the first dreamer of the idea of Elysium. It was an idea that would later be shared by Serpent in ZX. On top of that, The Master does bear more than a passing resemblance to both X and Zero. But ultimately, I think it's probably more likely that the idea got passed down memetically and The Master was just the first to accomplish it. I don't believe there's ever been an official statement.
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Where should the X series have ended to make the most sense for the Zero series?

The common answer is X5. Zero 4 makes direct reference to the events of X5, and no references are made to any later games.

Though I actually argue X8. X6's copious retcons and X7's general problems make this an uncommon answer but I definitely do feel like Axl could explain a lot about the Zero era. In X8, we see that Axl has started the same kind of revolution in Reploids that X started in robots. "New generation" reploids are able to use the "DNA cores" of fallen Reploids and Mechaniloids to augment their abilities, alter their appearance and any number of benefits, and they quickly grow in number as if by natural selection. Sigma believes this is evolution in progress as the old versions are replaced by the kind that can become his host, and in the end, even Zero seems to consider replacement an inevitability.

Now in Zero era, perhaps a little refinement has taken place because instead of "DNA cores" we have "cyber-elves" which despite having consciousness, perform many of the same duties, have the same source (fallen reploids, though some are also made as-is), and are usable by every Reploid (as the full replacement has been completed). It also provides a lore-driven reason why Zero needed a new body (presumably his new one was also new-generation).

But this is my own speculation.
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GooD topic
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Strider102 posted...

What are your thoughts on this fan made video of a fight taking place in the end of X5?

MASSIVE SPOILERS!!!!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McjxOBZrmoo

That was really cool, actually. I loved the part where the deflected shot explodes in the air and changes the lighting, and if I'm not mistaken lots of X's sprites near the end were custom.
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Traditionally, the canon is on his arm, yeah?
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I prefer Megaman to Mega Man.

My favorite game series. I know the classic continuity inside and out. X not as much but pretty knowledgeable. I patiently wait for the day we get more games (if they ever happen).
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How did the world flood before Legends?
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What significant events happen in Mega Man 7? I don't think I'll ever finish that one.
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SpiralDrift posted...

What significant events happen in Mega Man 7? I don't think I'll ever finish that one.

Mainly the introduction of Bass (Wily's most powerful robot at that moment), and MegaMan's Super Adaptor which is a combination of his Mega Arm from MMV, and the Rush Power and Jet suits from MM6.

Also a look at Mega's development as he actually considers killing Wily.
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I should probably just go back and play that one. I think I got stuck somehow in the trash level and couldn't figure out how to proceed.
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SpiralDrift posted...

I should probably just go back and play that one. I think I got stuck somehow in the trash level and couldn't figure out how to proceed.

MM7 gets a little too much hate from some of the fandom, mostly due to the final fight with Wily. He can be learned if you study his pattern.

For the most part the game is pretty straight forward, and very fun. I love the animation, music, and characters. There are a couple of special passwords in the game. One unlocks a Street Fighter style mode where Mega and Bass can fight. Another changes the gameplay to NES style with all 8 robot masters at the beginning, with the intro and museum stages removed.
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Do you find the fact that two old guys getting their robotics research funded eventually lead to 90% of humanity dying as horrifying as I do?
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Traditionally, the canon is on his arm, yeah?

So this sounds like a goofy question, but actually I do believe it's canon that Mega Man has a Mega Buster in each hand, this of course being to explain the effect of the same sprite being mirrored when he faces the other direction in-game.

X, on the other hand, is always to my knowledge depicted with the X-Buster on his left hand when it comes to 3D models, animation, and the like. Zero normally holds the Z-saber in his right hand, and IIRC appropriately swings his saber with the hand in the foreground his body as opposed to X, who shoots with the arm in the background. Axl is left-handed, like X.

How did the world flood before Legends?

I dunno, and I don't even have a good guess. Though it's notable that supposely thousands of years pass between ZX and Legends.

What significant events happen in Mega Man 7? I don't think I'll ever finish that one.

Airhammy summed it up nicely.

Do you find the fact that two old guys getting their robotics research funded eventually lead to 90% of humanity dying as horrifying as I do?

I believe it was 90% of Reploids and 50% of humans, if you're referring to the elf wars.

But actually I always have wondered about their funding. They probably didn't need it, considering how many dang robots Wily makes presumably with no funding at all. He does have a large number of money making schemes in the cartoon but Mega Man thwarts ever. single. one.
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Wait, actually I did find an instance where the X Buster is on X's right hand.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/5F9hanfTteo/hqdefault.jpg
https://68.media.tumblr.com/d47ba4250c8670351fb5bb8f91d087b9/tumblr_inline_niwrpekxSL1rjyv6m.gif
http://orig15.deviantart.net/5f26/f/2015/092/d/a/dayofsigma03_by_mdtartist83-d8o3hkf.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6JDJWvRhI6w/maxresdefault.jpg

Also the X7 boxart, the X8 boxart (maybe) and Command Mission.
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Character tier list in terms of combat power?
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Why do the reaver bots attack Trigger when he is like an admin of the system?

Did the master build data?

What is the relationship of Trigger and Juno? Is there more Juno models and Trigger models?
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Character tier list in terms of combat power?

Hard to say. We don't have a lot of comparison between eras and things like damage to humans aren't that useful because human biology itself changes pretty significantly between Zero, ZX and Legends. Also, there's no consistent logic to it either.

Ciel, who is probably entirely human, can survive multiple hits from Zero's buster and saber, but then Omega, which is Zero's original body, is destroyed by these same weapons. X's specs are given in the X1 intro, and in particular his skin reduces damage by I believe 97%, so logically a human should die in about 1/30 as many hits as Omega, whose defense is comparable to X's in the X series and would not logically be reduced.

There is an Easter Egg in X8 if you have a Command Mission save on your memory card where you get to fight--or rather, annihilate--Cut Man. Given that this is an Easter Egg, I wouldn't put too much stock in it but there's not much else to go on.

Also in ZX, you can fight Omega, and IMO it's a much harder fight than in Z3 but he also had new moves and I'm not particularly convinced this should be taken as anything more than a cameo.

But I suppose within each series, according to narrative, it's pretty safe to say that with the possible exception of Duo, Mega Man is the toughest Robot Master, followed by Bass. This is because Mega Man defeats Bass every time they fight, but otherwise Bass defeats everyone he meets. Proto Man is likely ahead of any of the baddie Robot Masters, with the exception of King, who defeats him twice in MM&B. In fairness, Mega Man/Bass is also unable to beat him when he defeats Proto Man so it's possiblr that Proto Man would fare as well as they did without King's shield but still notable that neither is defeated as soundly as Proto Man.

X, Zero and Axl all seem to be roughly equal in power level, with the caveat that X tends to outclass them with all the upgrades but be outclassed without. Of the three, Axl is probably weakest at his introduction in X7, but he catches up in X8. X7/X8 Sigma is stronger than any one of them, as are Lumine, Epsilon and most of the bosses in X7 and Command Mission, though the CM bosses' strength is likely due to Force Metals superior to those that the heroes possess, potentially including Epsilon. X1-X6 Sigma and the X8 operators fall firmly after the Maverick Hunters, and guys like Gate, High Max, Colonel, and Dynamo after them. Vile with Ride Armor notably outclasses X and Zero as they are in X1 but they grow in strwngth to outclass him individually as early as X3.

Zero is unquestionably the strongest in the Zero era, even including Omega. The guardians are somewhere after Omega, but it's difficult to compare the other bosses with each other. Presumably, the big bads would all rank above their underlings. Craft is an interesting case, as he and Zero fight twice and neither is soundly defeated. He would rank pretty high, perhaps around Omega's strength.

Grey/Ashe are the strongest in ZX, and Vent/Aile are stronger than anyone in original ZX. I would suppose that Vent/Aile are stronger than most of the ZXA characters too since heroes > villains is a definite trend but Albert is certainly a contender.

Most of the Legends major characters don't actually fight each other, except that they fight and lose to Trigger. Glide beats Tiesel with the Gustaff. Sera is probably the toughest in the loser's bracket by virtue of being the Mother Unit at the top of the hierarchy, but I see no reason other than simply being a final boss to think Megaman Juno is any tougher than the island bosses in 2.
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Why do the reaver bots attack Trigger when he is like an admin of the system?

IIRC, he was classified abberant after he spoke with the Master and they decided he should destroy the system.

Did the master build data?

If not directly, Data was part of his system. Which should count. But on whether he built Data with his own hands, I don't know.

What is the relationship of Trigger and Juno? Is there more Juno models and Trigger models?

I had to look up Juno's job, but Juno is a Bureaucratic Unit while Trigger is a Purifier Unit. They serve different functions within the same system. Juno is in charge of overseeing Kattelox Island, including purging the carbons upon specific conditions.

Trigger, OTOH, reports directly to Sera and Yuna and serves to destroy any abberants. Trigger would hsve outranked Juno, and was certainly more equipped for combat, which Juno readily acknowledges. What I don't know is why they are both named Megaman. Megaman Trigger's name is oddly coincidental in that Roll named him after her favorite video game character, but turns out this was always his name from the start.

Come to think, if Trigger had been categorized abberant, why was Data able to use his authority to override the Kattelox purge? This would have normally been possible due to Trigger's oitranking of Juno, but logically his authority should have been revoked. Smells like a plot hole.
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